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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: squirrellydw on May 26, 2006, 01:58:10 pm
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I want to mount buttons on the side of my CP to use as pinball buttons but they are to long, do they make smaller ones?
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I need to do exactly the same thing !
Sanwa do shorter buttons, theres some on this site in the UK - http://www.gremlinsolutions.co.uk/sanwaparts.htm
I'm pretty sure you can get them in the states.
PS Not actually bought or used these but from the description they come with build in switches so they should be just like normal buttons (unless you want leaf switches of course).
Buks
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Would these buttons work for playing pinball video games??
http://www.happcontrols.com/pushbuttons/601200xx.htm
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I'm not sure as they don't appear to use microswitches (but I could be wrong).
I'm confused by the description of "momentary" to be honest - not sure what it means !
Might be worth searching the forum for them maybe ?
Buks
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Short leafswitch buttons, or screw-type Sanwa/Seimitsus, will probably be the best bets.
Momentary means that the switch makes connection only while the button is held, and then disconnects when the button is released.
The other type of button would be an On/Off button, that toggles each time it is hit.
With momentary buttons, you will see two types.
The first is Normally Open (NO), which is the most common, and is used in arcade applications.
These buttons are "normally" open (disconnected) when released, and closed (connected) when pressed.
The second type is Normally Closed (NC).
When they are not pressed, they make contact, and allow functions to occur.
When they are pressed, they break contact, and stop whatever process was occurring.
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Would these buttons work for playing pinball video games??
http://www.happcontrols.com/pushbuttons/601200xx.htm
Yes. These are like as sanwa/seimitsu buttons.
Personally I think for pinballs betters will be normal arcade buttons with microswitches. Ultimarc buttons are a bit shorter than Happ.
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The second type is Normally Closed (NC).
These are "deadman" switches.
When they are not pressed, they make contact, and allow functions to occur.
When they are pressed, they break contact, and stop whatever process was occurring.
In arcade applications, the most likely place to see an NC switch is as an open door indicator, where it will cut off power to something when the door is opened.
My experiences with deadman switches have always been NO. Think about it, while the switch is pressed (the person is standing on the pedal, the door is on the back, etc), it allows the circuit to function correctly. Once that lets go (the person has fallen back, the door is off, etc), the switch is lifted and cuts off the circuit.
Would these buttons work for playing pinball video games??
http://www.happcontrols.com/pushbuttons/601200xx.htm
Those appear to be convex. Not a problem, if that doesn't bother you.
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My experiences with deadman switches have always been NO.
You're right.
I was actually describing series-wired emergency stop switches when I wrote that.
I went back and edited it.
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Would these buttons work for playing pinball video games??
http://www.happcontrols.com/pushbuttons/601200xx.htm
Yes. These are like as sanwa/seimitsu buttons.
Personally I think for pinballs betters will be normal arcade buttons with microswitches. Ultimarc buttons are a bit shorter than Happ.
Microswitches to play pinball ? Yugh. That's even worse then playing video games with microswitches.
You want leaf switches, and use the shorter buttons for them:
http://www.arcadeshop.de/product_info.php?cPath=24_79&products_id=273&osCsid=897c7707942148d977c4824321d6b013
Installation depths is only 30 mm.
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Microswitches to play pinball ? Yugh.
Hm, I never look inside pinball but in my city pinballs (flipers) have buttons like as normal arcade buttons. Maybe they are leaf-switches.
And why not microswictches? There are different type of microswitches - hard, light, very light ....
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You want leaf switches, and use the shorter buttons for them:
http://www.arcadeshop.de/product_info.php?cPath=24_79&products_id=273&osCsid=897c7707942148d977c4824321d6b013
Installation depths is only 30 mm.
So I would need those and the button holder correct? Do they ship to the US?
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Yup and don't forget the PAL nuts !
I guess so, but I'm positive there are companies delivering them in the US. If not, let me know, I can buy directly at Suzo and ship to you.
Ow, here's a US adress: http://www.lakesidepinballparts.com/flipper.html (googled with "flipper button")
Scroll down a bit and you'll find the buttons, nuts and holders.
I am no pinball expert but I cannot imagine/remember that I ever played a pinball that had microswitches to actuate the flippers. The thing is, when you play pinball, you need to "feel" the flippers. Sometimes you need a very light quick tap, and sometimes you want to hold the button for as long as you like (check scoring status and/or keep the ball on the flipper). And between those two extremes there are all kinds of variations. You can't accomplish that with a microswitch. Those will "click"in, and "click" out, way slower than you need with a light tap. This is also the reason why my mame cab has leaf switches. Even though it's different for a video game, I still believe you can't reach the speed and feel-of-touch that a leaf offers. AND you can adjust them to your likings....
Of course, you may say when emulating a pin, it's different, but I'd still prefer leafs.
And also, you need some bigger space for the buttonholders compared to microswitches, remember that !
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thanks
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I am no pinball expert but I cannot imagine/remember that I ever played a pinball that had microswitches to actuate the flippers.
That is simply not the case.... almost all pinball machines manufactured since the early 1990's use microswitch buttons. Certainly most of the classics like Simpsons Pinball, Adams Familly, Terminator 2, Dr Who etc etc....
I know because I have to take them apart for repair on a regular basis.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)