The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Buy/Sell/Trade - non-retail => Topic started by: horseboy on May 10, 2006, 04:38:52 pm
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Ms-Pacman-Galaga-Bartop-Counter-top-NR-LOW-S-H_W0QQitemZ6278086623QQcategoryZ13716QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Oh my goodness, look at this thing. Mrs. Pac Man, Galaga, Pole Position, Xevious, and Mappy...all in one unit. And it is NOS as well. How in the world did this thing go unused for so many years. They also added a brand new display just for the heck of it. The original monitor had never been used, but just to make sure everything was perfect they put a new one in. What a good guy.
Wait a minute. Aren't those the same games in a Mrs. Pac Man TV games unit. Huh, must be a coincidence. Wait again. Daewoo doesn't make arcade monitors. It couldn't be a TV, could it?
Also, the pictures on this page are representative of the item. Due to the unique nature of the product designs may vary negligible.
Hold the :censored: phones. How could a NOS item design "vary negligible" as he so eloquently put it.
Oh, nevermind, I get it. This :censored: put a Jakks TV games into a box with a 13" tv, glued some crappy printed out logos on it, and put it on ebay. Then he misleads everyone into thinking that this is an actual arcade item that has been sitting on a shelf somewhere for 20 years unused. This :censored:, I hate him.
For those of you who know something about these machines they are great and last forever.
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
If you want to make a bartop out of a TV games unit and sell it, by all means don't let me stop you. You have every right to do so. What pisses me off is when you blatantly lie about it and try to rip innocent idiots off. Poor idiots. I think I am going to contact the bidders and let them know the deal.
I am sure it is against EBAY policy to lie about an item, do you think I could have it removed by EBAY?
Anyway, just wanted to vent about this one.
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Very lame indeed. But unfortunatly if you looked on ebay I'm sure you could find 1000's more of diffrent items that do the same thing. This one is sad. You can report it but don't hold your breath.
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I think I am going to contact the bidders and let them know the deal.
That would be impressive ... private auction ....
Cheers with shared (albeit not so vehement) sentiments.
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That would be impressive ... private auction ....
Yeah, I noticed that right after the auction. That :censored:.
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FWIW, I plan on building a couple of JAKKS-based minis to auction off next year at the gala fundraiser for my daughter's school (she's autistic and tuition is pricey), but I do not intend to deceive like the clown seller in this auction. The machines can be great for non-BYOAC types, but lying is just bad ... I wonder how many years he "had that unit in his dorm room", illegally charging for use ...
If I can do half the job that MarkRVP did for his son's birthday present, I expect to see nice credits against that tuition bill.
Cheers.
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Yeah, I had also planned on building a couple of these bad boys. It will be a big task to make it look as sharp as MarkRVP's. Make sure and post some pics when you get around to it.
I wonder how many years he "had that unit in his dorm room", illegally charging for use ...
I wondered that as well. Didn't these things just come out in the last year or so, though?
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Awwwwww, you guys are making me blush. :cheers:
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"screen shots are simulated" ---- ?? huh?
the screenshot he shows does look rather :censored: up. it was definitely resized and pasted there.
I have no idea what the Jakks games are like. I haven't broke down to buy one yet.
he's got as screenshot showing a credit tally of 0. Do the jakks games have that? for that matter, why does his? it's set up for "free play only"....and he makes people pay to play. Not drop a quarter in, but actually pay him in hand to play it. (I need a smily scratching his head for this one)
How are those games anyway. I haven't really looked into them. Though i keep meaning to.
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My wife got me one for Christmas.
I haven't even opened it.
I was very disappointed with the PacMan one, and didn't bother to open the Ms. Pac one.
The graphics are crappy, and they reworked the games so that they will fit on a TV.
The biggest disappointment for me, on the Pac one, was Bosconian.
I really love that game, and they just mangled it.
The radar is just an overlay on one side of the screen now, rather than having a separate panel for the score/radar/etc...
The worst thing though is that they somehow expect you to play it with a cloverleaf restricted 4-way joystick.
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Looks like the pictures were taken with a crappy camera phone too. At least you get authentic Happs buttons!
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wow...what a load of total BS. :lame:
It's too bad some innocent dope is going to probably bid on that.... :badmood:
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I've played the MsPac/Galaga one and felt the games were pretty well done for a tv game.
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I have the pacman, and a wireless Ms. pacman. The pacman is pretty much junk. One of the TINY microswitches for the joystick has already worn out, so I can only press right 2 out of 3 times. Bosconian is junk. Pacman is not much better.
The wireless Ms. Pacman is much better, but still not very durable ( the stick occasionally gets stuck when pressing right). Bosconian is alot better. The rotary handle is pretty neat (not as fun as spinning the crap out of a real pole position wheel though). The wireless functionality is great. Still annoying though to play 4-way games on an 8-way, but still playable.
Hope this helps anyone who hasn't messed with them.
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Have any of you ever reported an item to Ebay before? I reported this thing, but it doesn't give you any place to give an explanation. It only lets you categorize the infraction. If I could have expained myself a bit I think that it may have helped.
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I wonder how many years he "had that unit in his dorm room", illegally charging for use ...
How is that illegal? (If we are correctly assuming this is based on a Jakks and not a MAME). I assume Jakks properly licensed the IP for the games and that it doesn't come with a license that says for sale only for non-commercial use by the original purchaser.
How is this different than my saying "I paid $7.99 for that hacksaw, so you can borrow it, but I expect 25 cents each time I let you use it."
Sleazy, in both cases, but illegal???
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sweet! he's selling an xbox360!!!
DIBS!!!
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(If we are correctly assuming this is based on a Jakks and not a MAME).
It's not MAME for sure. He actually gives a board #. I can't find any at target or i'd take one apart for a look.
It's illegal to use parts from someone elses product, that is the board designed by JAKKS(or whoever), use it to build a new product and sell it off for profit. It's like me taking a 2 liter of coke, pouring it into small bottles and selling it as ElGwako-Cola. If CCE wanted to they could easily put a stop to it but i'm only one guy with 2liters of their product. This guy is playing the "I don't know anything about these" card and not actually admitting to what it is. Jakks could actually come down on him, but it's only one. He could even admit to what the product is and nothing would ever happen. Had he 100 of these for sale or something, I'm sure there would be a closer look at what it is.
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Sleazy, in both cases, but illegal???
I would bet that license is for home, not commercial, use -- just like all other consumer media products (it's not like you can legally put your XBox on route, right ?).
And there is a reason why machines on route need those pretty little tax stickers.
I wasn't intending to make a big issue out of the "illegally" ... I am really not offended by his charging for use (except that the seller was obviously lying), but perhaps my offense at the rest of this slipped over.
Cheers.
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I've seen that exact one sell before, and it sold for a huge amount....
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It's illegal to use parts from someone elses product......to build a new product and sell it off for profit. It's like me taking a 2 liter of coke, pouring it into small bottles...
Isn't that what they do at bars? B a s t a r d s! I want a refund! :laugh2:
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yah so lets all contact the bidders
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I love the Bar analogy above..tis' perfect..
btw, I'm sure we all own every boardset for every rom we ever leached ..er..downloaded off usenet...
pot, kettle...kettle, pot.
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It's a bit different when you are doing it for profit.
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I don't misrepresent how I got my games. This seller is very obviously distorting the truth to make his item seem to be something it is not.
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(If we are correctly assuming this is based on a Jakks and not a MAME).
It's illegal to use parts from someone elses product, that is the board designed by JAKKS(or whoever), use it to build a new product and sell it off for profit. It's like me taking a 2 liter of coke, pouring it into small bottles and selling it as ElGwako-Cola. If CCE wanted to they could easily put a stop to it but i'm only one guy with 2liters of their product. This guy is playing the "I don't know anything about these" card and not actually admitting to what it is. Jakks could actually come down on him, but it's only one.
Actually, I'm not sure what you are suggesting is illegal, as long as there is no fraud involved.
IANAL, though.
For example, let's say I want to sell my own lawnmowers. I build the base deck and buy the wheels myself, but I buy the motor from Briggs&Stratton and sell it as a Tiger-Heli mower with 4HP B&S motor. I am using B&S product to build a new product and selling it off for profit. Perfectly legal, afaik. Now let's says B&S doesn't want to sell directly to me for less than $150 per motor, but I can get a Murray mower at Home Depot for $119. I think I can take the B&S motor off the Murray and put it on my deck and sell it again. (Same deal of using their product for profit, but still legal).
Now if I cover over the B&S decal with a 9.5 HP Tiger-Heli Motors Inc. decal . . .
Or am I way off-base here?
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Holy crap. This friggin thing is up to $245 + $55 shipping with 2 hours left. I hope this guy gets stiffed on by the buyer.
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:banghead: $300 friggin bucks + $55 shipping. Totally F'n insane.
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Or am I way off-base here?
hmmmm? i am not by any means a law expert NOR do i play one on TV. You are right, i don't think that is illegal the way you put it at all so long as the Briggs and Stratton label shows. However....let's break it down this way and see because this is more similar to what he did.
you build everything(deck, wheels, handle) except the motor. You buy a B&S but don't like the compression so you break it all down to the bare block and machine yourself ALL new parts but use the same block. Put it all together and slap a Tiger-Heli label on it.
It's no longer a briggs and stratton motor but it is their engineered block.
NOTE: it's illegal yes...however is anyone going to call a lawyer for one or two....hell no. If you start pumping out 100's and making some $$ on it....
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[quote author=ktulu link=topic=53656.msg526577#msg526577 date=1147452889
Isn't that what they do at bars? B a s t a r d s! I want a refund! :laugh2:
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??? that's the other way around. They sell their own product but call it coke...that's just false advertising.
a bar i worked at did that with quite a few products. The coke was actually Al's cola and I still haven't found out what they were funneling into the sambuca bottle one day when i walked in.
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you build everything(deck, wheels, handle) except the motor. You buy a B&S but don't like the compression so you break it all down to the bare block and machine yourself ALL new parts but use the same block. Put it all together and slap a Tiger-Heli label on it.
It's no longer a briggs and stratton motor but it is their engineered block.
I finally figured out where the illegality comes in. The block itself is B&S intellectual property, so if you modify the internals, but keep the external block, it becomes IP theft or copyright infringement. BTW, you don't even have to keep the B&S block, if you machined all new parts and created an EXACT DUPLICATE of the B&S block and slapped a Tiger-Heli sticker on it (or probably even left the B&S sticker on it, at this point), you would still be in trouble b/c it was B&S' original design.
(Actually, it doesn't have to be an exact duplicate, as long as the design is similar, but at that point T-H and B&S lawyers would be fighting it out :D)
What I don't know if what circumstances this applies and when it doesn't. For example, JEGS sells 350 Chevy heads and pistons. They probably have crate motors with these parts (either rebuilt original GM motors, or new from GM, or made to match GM specs). Are these legal on their own merit, or did they get GM's permission before they made them, or GM just decided not to pursue their IP rights?
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What I don't know if what circumstances this applies and when it doesn't.
good question ,not sure on that one. Those are aftermarket heads, pistons, etc..
The heads they sell are different than stock but machined to fit on the block. I'm not sure about the legality of building something "similar" in design. Its not like Jegs is casting an exact replica of the stock heads and installing different pistons and such. They actually cast their own design to fit and actually have different specs. Something has to be different about it in some small way i think.
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Thought of a better example - that more people on here can relate to. I will try to speak vaguely so I don't get anyone in trouble >:D , but the board regulars will know what I am talking about and can read between the lines, and the others can do some research.
Let's look at "above-panel switchable 4/8-way joysticks". And I am thinking of three different products from two different vendors.
All of these are based on an existing product and modified by the vendor. I suspect either the vendor got permission from the original manufacturer to modify and sell their product, or the original manufacturer doesn't care as they are still selling one joystick for each modified joystick that the vendor sells.
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Lets say that the vendor develops a custom handle (which one of them has), different microswitches (which one of them has), different return mechanism (which both of them have). At this point, all that really remains of the basic stick is the base and possibly the actuator. Can the vendor now (legally?) have these parts manufactured for a lower cost by a third party company in China? (If not, how much do they have to change the design before they can have it produced by a different company?)
As a different example, let's suppose one of these sticks is based on the Happ Perfect 360 joystick (none of the current ones actually are, btw). I can see four scenarios:
The vendor markets the sticks as "based on the Happ P360 design" and the stick performs well. Legal or not, Happ is unlikely to complain, b/c they may still be selling the stick to the vendor, people that may want the stick but want a lower cost option may buy the Happ instead. And if they take legal action to shut down sales by the vendor, he might partner with a different supplier, costing them sales to both referral customers and the vendor.
The vendor markets the sticks as "my own design" and the stick performs well. Legal or not, Happ may complain or not, for reasons above. Hard to say. . .
The vendor markets the sticks as "my own design" and the stick performs poorly. Happ likely would not complain until some user or website figures out that the stick is in fact based on the P360 and the negative publicity starts affecting them.
The vendor markets the sticks as "based on the Happ 360" and the stick performs poorly. You would probably see legal action as Happ wants to preserve the reputation of the P360's.
Just random musings . . .
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I think this exact same thread repeats itself at least once every 4 months...
The guy is a sleaze bag. He says things like
"I had one of these forever in my dorm room and made alot of money charging people to play it , people can't get enough of these classic games."
He wrote that so dumb-asses assume it is coin-operated. Dumb-asses are supposed to think they are buying a "real" bar-top manufactured by a real arcade coin-op company.
I don't think he's doing anything outright illegal due to how carefully he's chosen his words, but he's awfully close. In the end, he's still a sleaze-bag.
~Ray
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Well, using the artwork on the sides and top without permission certainly is illegal, but I doubt Namco is going to track him down.
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Think of it like a craft item. If someone goes to the craft store and buys a bunch of parts to make a necklace or something can they sell the finished product for profit?
This isn't much different. You go to the store and buy a bunch of parts and make a cab. Can you sell it for profit?
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Think of it like a craft item. If someone goes to the craft store and buys a bunch of parts to make a necklace or something can they sell the finished product for profit?
This isn't much different. You go to the store and buy a bunch of parts and make a cab. Can you sell it for profit?
Sure. As long as you don't claim that it was a piece from Jackie O's personal jewelry collection.
The main point here is that this guy blatantly mislead everyone on ebay into thinking that this was an actual NOS arcade item.
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"No, no, this car was never a Taxi. That yellow under that scratch? That's not Taxi paint, it's yellow primer. That's the deluxe primer they're using nowadays. Costs extra."
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exactly
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what a ---meecrob--- i hope he chokes on his cheese burgers he buys with that 300 dollars