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Arcade Collecting => Miscellaneous Arcade Talk => Topic started by: KieranBullen on January 14, 2006, 11:39:33 pm
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My local "nerd shop" has a broken Turbo Out Run machine for sale for CDN$60. I want to get this thing working, but I'd first like to know if it's humanly possible? When plugged in, the monitor comes on, with just a black screen (a tiny (shadow-like) ghost of "insert coin" can be seen, but thats it). Inside, the system has a Hitachi FD1094, which seems to be a suicide chip\battery. However, I don't know the symptoms of a dead suicide battery, so whether that's the issue or not, I don't know. Any ideas? Thanks :)
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Hey,
My friend (above user) and I were just wondering is there any sort of hidden power switch in the Outrun Turbo?
Oh and if there is a suicide battery can we find an out run board?
Urggggg, such a nice machine i want it to run so badly..
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Is the "Insert Coin" burn in or does it show up when powered on? Can you coin it up? Is there sound? Maybe the monitor needs a cap kit? If the board has committed suicide then I'm not sure if there's much you can do besides try and buy a different board to replace it. According to The Dead Battery Society, there is no unencrypted dumps of Turbo Outrun. That could be outdated however. Do a google search for your Hitachi FD1094 and you'll get lots of hits with good info.
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The insert coin is burn in. It just looks like a faint shadow.
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AFAIK, Turbo Outrun doesn't suicide. First thing to check would be the +5 +12 from the power supply and work from there.
Addendum: Some games (Turbo Outrun dedicated among them, I'm almost sure) have a "kill switch" on the back door which cuts power to the cabinet. Also, if I remember, the power switch on the cab itself is on the right side near the bottom. But if you are getting juice to the monitor, this probably isn't the problem.
Check the power supply and check the harness to the board. I'm willing to bet that the problem is in there somewhere.
If it DOES turn out to be a bad boardset, I might be able to get one for you. We have one (a Turbo Outrun) in the warehouse marked "JUNK" because the steering gear is hosed and we can't get a new one.
Good luck!
APf
APf
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I would suggest following APf's advice. If you guys are local to Toronto (don't reply in thread as someone will scoop the cabinet on you ... if you're not, maybe I can recommend someone who is local to you ), I may be able to help you with some troubleshooting.
As a first step, if there are interlock switches on the coin and back doors, pulling the "plunger" out should open the switch (but as APf says, the the monitor powers up, then you are getting power).
Cheers.
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Thank you,
But the cables going into the power button are already joined together the only thing is that there alot of cables that seem to be going no where but when you look around them it seems as if some sort of extension cable is missing, could this be the case?
Oh and APFelon thanks for helping out we would like to take that board off your hands we are on the Pacific, Vancouver ish (about half hour drive) and we will pay for shipping.
Your Noobish friend,
Bobo
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Well the marquee light turns on and the monitor does, I can hear the hum-like noise from it. Other than that, nothing. I see the power button on the inside, but its disconnected from the rest of the system, the cable isn't connected to it.
BTW, the board is identical to this one:
http://www.system16.com/boards/turbooutrun_top.jpg
However, I heard the Hitachi contains the CPU, but theres a 68000 just below it. Is one in the Hitachi thing and the other seperate?
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Whoa, whoa, WHOA!
Find the problem with that machine first-- BEFORE you write me an open check for that board.
Let's troubleshoot this together.
First of all- you mentioned a "missing cable" or some such thing. Can you photograph it and post it?
Do you own a multimeter? If not, BUY ONE.
In arcade games, line voltage (wall socket juice) is VAC and stuff off of the power supply is DC. I know for a fact that Turbo Outrun has a switching power supply. If that turkey goes bad, the game is dead. Check it FIRST. If the monitor works and the game is dead, that is usually the culprit.
And the great thing is that power supplies are cheap, and if they aren't as cheap as you like, I can sell you one cheaper.
While I am a tech, I am not the greatest tech on this forum (not by a longshot) so if you have questions, PHOTOGRAPH and post what you have questions on! I can even cross reference a Turbo Outrun machine if you need it.
Let's get that puppy runnin'.
APf
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As for the suicide fix, I am not sure if it is possible or not. I hear that Charles MacDonald did decrypt some FD1094 games. You may want to ask him at http://cgfm2.emuviews.com if a fix is possible.
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Bump. No one can help us and our poor machine? :(
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Did you test the power coming off of the power supply?
There isn't much anybody can do until we know that the power supply is OK.
Cheers.
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The monitor now shows a line pattern (we adjusted the knobs at the back), but the board still does nothing. The LED near one of the chips is off, and the multimeter on the board gives no responce.
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A line pattern like a test pattern ?
I myself am not familiar with the Turbo Outrun hardware (in particular the suicide boards), but a test pattern would suggest to me that the board is getting at least some power (although since I don't know the monitor, perhaps it is built in to the monitor).
However, if you are testing and not getting power to the board, then that suggests a place to start.
Is the PS putting out +5,12, -5 ? Have you checked all of the fuses (use the meter, don't just eyeball them) ?
Hopefully someone with experience with the hardware in question will jump in (especially since I may miss the obvious going with my "test everything" approach), but I'll do my best to help where I can.
You also might want to ask on the CoinOp forum on cgcc.ca ... a number of those guys have good experience with drivers (so they know the specifics of particular machines) and the lower post volume may yield faster answers to your questions.
Cheers.
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I offered BoBo Poco a working board (cage and all) for 50$USD + S&H. If that's too high, make a counter offer and I will realy it to the seller (my employer).
APf
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Oi,
Thx APFelon for the offer and if me and Kieran can't fix the board were probably going to have to mame it :'(,
Anyhow if anyone could maybe give us step by step instructions for testing the board
considering were pretty noobish when it comes to testing electricity especialy when the arcade machine is on not the most confident arcade nuts :-\
So, step by step instructions would be nice ;D
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Turbo Outrun DOES have a suicide battery! It is inside one of the CPU modules.
See http://www.arcadecollecting.com/dead/dead.html for details.
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Oi,
StephenH, thx for the reply, but only about half of all sega turbo outruns were equiped with suicide batteries, so were keeping our hopes up.
Anyhow step by step instructions please ;D
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He mentioned it contained a Hitachi FD1094. This chip DOES have a suicide battery in it!