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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: Crazy Cooter on September 27, 2005, 03:36:17 pm
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Stakes: CC's signature banner, CT's signature banner.
Rules: CT must prove CC has privided misinformation. CC must prove CT wrong.
Up for the challenge CT? I've got my chin out. Take the first shot and show me a post I made Re: MAME & Foley that contains what you think is misinformation. If I can't prove it, you win. If I do prove it, I win. Best 3 of 5. I'll put a poll up and everyone can vote who won when we're done.
Topic 1: ? Choose what thou wilt.
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How bout 'Topic 1: When will this topic visit post hell?'
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Sure.
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If anyone wants, I'll give up my sig image voluntarily anyway. I generally don't like sig images. I took this one because I almost wet my pants when I saw it. ;D
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Use this one instead.
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Stingray... make me a good one commenting on Mr C's choice of cheesecake and I'll use it.
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;) ;)
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See, I don't want just Richard Simmons, I want his connection to Mr C calling him cheesecake. I don't have photoshop here, though, nor FTP to a webserver.
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Stingray... make me a good one commenting on Mr C's choice of cheesecake and I'll use it.
I don't know if my making the joke was worth having to see Mr. Dick Simmons' face more than once. hehe...I fear I'm going to regret it.
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I don't know if my making the joke was worth having to see Mr. Dick Simmons' face more than once. hehe...I fear I'm going to regret it.
As are the rest of us, it appears. . .
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Remember the "open offer" Foley made when the community backlashed at him?
http://www.havocforums.com/lofiversion/index.php?t3449.html
In the past couple of years, there has been a huge wave of resellers
competing with our UltraCade and Arcade Legends products. They build a
similar style cabinet, install a PC in the machine, load M.A.M.E., and sell
it for a very low price.
Foley was aware of the program for at least a couple years according to his own statement.
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You don't have enough admissable proof to back up the criminal part. You have posts from a message board, which are not easily connectable to a specific physical individual. There is no precedent of which I am aware of message board content being deemed admissable to a criminal proceeding.
You would do a lot better with something official, like a press release, an act of commerce, or something that is not a mere internet discussion post.
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It is a press release. That's Foley's "open offer to the MAME community". Remember it? I also have the trademark application.
One says he knew all about it, then he signed saying he didn't. Exibit A, Exibit B. Case closed. Criminally guilty.
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Where was this so called press release actually released? What was the delivery method?
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Posted on his website, sent to slashdot.... it was spread everywhere and quoted everywhere. I even have the original pdf file on the computer downstairs, not to mention it's still in his own messageboards by someone that works there:
http://www.ultracade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1317&sid=ff6a2f442fb45eee99dd73c6ba13dc0d
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Not sure if those count legally, but they are sure a lot closer than message board content.
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There is no precedent of which I am aware of message board content being deemed admissable to a criminal proceeding.
Yeah, but this isn't being tried in a court of law. If I understand the rules of this silly game correctly, we, the peanut gallery, are the jury. Most of us are willing to accept posts here at BYOAC as "evidence".
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Yep, and I knew going in I was going to lose this one. Like my last post in the real thread, the guy has been tried and convicted here already. Thus, it is a moot contest.
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message boards may/may not work, but email DOES work in court. ;)
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/21/0415209&tid=203&tid=17&tid=10
Update: 02/21 13:26 GMT by T : UltraCade Technologies CEO David R. Foley contacted Slashdot with an emailed explanation of the filing, reproduced below at his request.
Same text as I mentioned above.
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Looks admissable, but given that it is probably after he rescinded the trademark application, the content may or may not be damning in the manner you'd like it to be. That would be up to a judge to determine, and in a case where no provable damage was done, no charges could be filed for that hearing to happen.
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GUILTY!!
(http://www.finkmedia.com/vault/sweatin_2_the_oldies.jpg)
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I can't help myself....
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Either way, this contest is pretty much over as I'm not going to convince anyone of anything. Like I said, I entered this knowing it was not winnable. You can have the sig. :)
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Looks admissable, but given that it is probably after he rescinded the trademark application, the content may or may not be damning in the manner you'd like it to be. That would be up to a judge to determine, and in a case where no provable damage was done, no charges could be filed for that hearing to happen.
Update: 02/21 13:26 GMT by T : UltraCade Technologies CEO David R. Foley contacted Slashdot with an emailed explanation of the filing, reproduced below at his request.
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76627578
Current Status: Abandoned: Applicant's express request.
Date of Status: 2005-03-14
Don't confuse criminal & civil. The civil part could be proven by pulled auctions for lost revenue. The criminal part could be started by filing a complaint with the police. :police:
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Thus, it is a moot contest.
This contest is mute.
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For all intensive purposes.
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Ohhh Ohhh let me be judge please please can I can I....I'll take motions for summary judgement, motions not withstanding etc...hell I even know what those are as well as a deep apreciation for IP law. Please can I be judge.
Patent Doc
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Yay, let Patent Doc fill everyone in.
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Can I be the guy in the back row who is pretending to pay attention, but is actually taking a nap?
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Can I be the guy in the back row who is pretending to pay attention, but is actually taking a nap?
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Jobs already taken
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GUILTY!!
(http://www.finkmedia.com/vault/sweatin_2_the_oldies.jpg)
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I can't help myself....
ok, we need to make this picture the first thing that comes up on a google search for ultracade. how do we do this...
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ok, we need to make this picture the first thing that comes up on a google search for ultracade. how do we do this...
In theory if it appeared on a lot of web pages like this one (http://www.stingraysmadness.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=104), it might eventually become the number one GIS hit.
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You would think you'd make a worse photo than that for that purpose.
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lol nicejob stingray
and really whats worse than that picture??
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An image of an actual Ultracade with a bunch of text at the bottom explaining your opinion of it.
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Sorry, I have to stay with the Ultrasimmons.
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At least make it something more gay.
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Without actually using guy on guy porno, I'm not sure how I could make it more gay.
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I walked past the TV the other day when my wife was watching America's Top Model. The guy talking there made Richard Simmons look like Stallone.
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you better trademark that picture before someone else tries to
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Well, MR. C did create it, but I suppose that I could steal it to keep someone else from doing it.
Next up I'm sending a C&D to Richard Simmons.
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And I think we all know what C and what D Richard Simmons wants.
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:D
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Next, I want you to send a C+D to Italy for being shaped too much like Florida.
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First I'll have to trademark Florida, but I guess I had better before someone else tries to.
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You can always Trademark Florida to prevent me from trademarking Florida.
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You can always Trademark Florida to prevent me from trademarking Florida.
Or you could trademark Florida to prevent me from doing it to prevent you from doing it.
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Could I just bring you a shrubbery instead . . .
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Only if you promise to cut down the tallest tree in the forest with a herring.
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I'm not sure such negotiations (cutting down the tallest tree with a herring in liu of a shrubbery) are allowed in this forum. Under Patsy v. King Arthur it was found that in matters pertaining to the Knights who say "Ni" and "ichy ichy patang ni wong" you can not trademark to prevent future trademark in much the same way that European Swallows can do not have the proper weight to speed ratio to carry a coconut and African Swallows are non-migratory.
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Yay, let Patent Doc fill everyone in
CT- are you implying that I can't be impartial in matters of Foley or just a long winded know-it-all that is often wrong?
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That was a YAY, someone else can handle this now, I'm out.
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Who wins?
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I conceded because I gave up caring.
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Yes, but you still might have won. That's the beauty of this system (or lack thereof).
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CARE BEAR
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Yes, but you still might have won. That's the beauty of this system (or lack thereof).
It was easier to quit. I went and had a life last night.
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Yeah? How'd that work out for ya?
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Is that allowed here?
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Yeah? How'd that work out for ya?
Went home, played football with my sons. Ate chicken breasts stuffed with broccoli and cheese. Gave sons baths, put them to bed, worked a bit on my new project, watched the Sox game, went to bed with a beautiful woman.
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. . . went to bed with a beautiful woman.
Your wife didn't find out, did she? :P (sorry, coudn't resist).
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Shhh.
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Who wins?
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I do. As long as we don't weigh in the breasts CT had. Then he would. Unless we also weigh in that he watched the Sox game. Then I would again. ;)
Ahigh, if you've got something, I'd be happy to discuss it here (I can change the topic name ;)). Your boss quit answering everyones questions in the other thread.
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I do.
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How does it work if the two overlapped, which they did?
The breasts overlapped! 8), uhhh, TMI!!!
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;D
I meant the game and the breasts, but eh, it ceases to be funny now.
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It's a win-win situation!!!
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;D
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Everybody that has a webpage needs to put a link to Stingray's Ultracade page on it. That way it'll show up higher in Google.
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And if you do, please let me know so I can link back. Lets keep that vicious cycle going. :)
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Put the link in your signature ;). Then it will go on all your posts. Hyperlink it so the text is "ultracade".
http://www.stingraysmadness.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=104
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Okie dokie.
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Oh no. it's starting.....
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I'm game, but can Stingray change the page title, I only have 91 characters left and just the web address takes 94.
Also - could he add some quotes from DaveyR from here on there so it's more obvious why it's being done. (Just be careful about libelous statements).
Remember "DaveyR is an SOB" is bad. "I think DaveyR is an SOB" is okay. (There was a joke about a judge related to that. . .
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No. We have determined, through our process of elimination, that you do not have enough character to take part in this endeavor.
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No. We have determined, through our process of elimination, that you do not have enough character to take part in this endeavor.
Yeah, they always told me not to worry about school because I had no class. (They seemed to think I was a character, unlike your comments though.)
Hey, it did take part of it
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If somebody would like to write some legitimate text for me to put on that page I'll be happy to add it. I'm not much of a writer, as I'm sure my posts here would indicate.
Honestly the whole thing was just a goof on my part, like pretty much everything else I ever do.
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Also - could he add some quotes from DaveyR from here on there so it's more obvious why it's being done.
I just went back and added some of my favorite Foleyisms. I also cut out the garbage text. I'm looking for a good summery of the whole MAME trademark incident that I can just cut and paste. Can anybody direct me to one?
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Also - could he add some quotes from DaveyR from here on there so it's more obvious why it's being done.
I just went back and added some of my favorite Foleyisms. I also cut out the garbage text. I'm looking for a good summery of the whole MAME trademark incident that I can just cut and paste. Can anybody direct me to one?
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Best links are probably CC's posts at VPF - link to all threads -
http://www.vpforums.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=382909
Particularly quotable ones:
http://www.vpforums.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=382909
http://www.vpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=302517#post302517
http://www.vpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=302800#post302800
EMDKay's original comments:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=32730.msg276462#msg276462
Aaron Giles Weblogs -
http://aarongiles.com/weblog/archives/2005/03/mame_trademark.html
http://aarongiles.com/weblog/archives/2005/02/mametm.html
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Several of those links aren't working for me. I'd rather not use quotes from the VP forums, since I'm not a member there. I guess the original Ultracade/ MAME trademark thread here must have been sent to hell. It's not coming up when I try to search for it.
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So stop clicking on them and take your Scrabble turn.
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Done. I spelled 'semen'. :)
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Several of those links aren't working for me. I'd rather not use quotes from the VP forums, since I'm not a member there. I guess the original Ultracade/ MAME trademark thread here must have been sent to hell. It's not coming up when I try to search for it.
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EmdKay's quote above is from the original thread
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=32730.0
But there was another long one too . . .
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Yeah, I found that one but I was looking for the other really long thread, which I think was the first.
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There's also:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=37734.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=38190.0
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=37779.0
Actually, a search on thread by number of replies might find it as well.
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Yeah, I found that one but I was looking for the other really long thread, which I think was the first.
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Actually, I think 32730 might be the first one - it's 19 pages long . . .
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Without actually using guy on guy porno, I'm not sure how I could make it more gay.
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Could take two pictured of characters that he has exclusive rights to and make them look like they are humping or making out.
ie Mr. DO! and some other char (not sure if he's fessed up yet which characters he owns)
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I went to respond to Edgedamage's post and it had been removed.
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Yes, but you still might have won. That's the beauty of this system (or lack thereof).
It was easier to quit. I went and had a life last night.
With this post count?
7313 (14.339 per day)
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14 per day! Oh no!
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Heee.
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Does he even own Mr DO!?
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Universal_%28game_company%29
Universal Sales Co. LTD sold off their video game manufacturing arms in the 1990's to Takara and Capcom.
Capcom is still around, so that leaves Takara...
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Takara
Takara Toys is a Japanese toy company founded in 1955. Hasbro combined Takara's Diaclone and Micro Change toylines in 1984 to create the Transformers. Takara's original mascot was a golliwog-like character named Dakko-Chan, which they only recently replaced with a similar-looking monkey.
So Takara is still around, so is Hasbro...
How did Mr. DO! fall through the cracks where someone could buy it? Did Takara sell it off? Universal's trademarks on the artwork were cancelled in Feb of 1991 according to the TM search at www.uspto.gov (http://www.uspto.gov).
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Okay the Ultracade page on my site has bloated quite a lot this morning.
Link (http://www.stingraysmadness.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=104)
I'm open to suggestions as to what needs to be added or removed.
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He wouldn't have to own Mr Do, just have a licensing agreement with whoever does own it.
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He wouldn't have to own Mr Do, just have a licensing agreement with whoever does own it.
He is claiming outright ownership, not licensing in the other thread. I found a site yesterday where someone was talking about an arcade legends machine and credited Ultracade with only some of the games - this one:
http://www.20six.co.uk/NickD/archive/2004/04/20/ozwanco4g1hw.htm
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Okay the Ultracade page on my site has bloated quite a lot this morning.
Link (http://www.stingraysmadness.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=104)
I'm open to suggestions as to what needs to be added or removed.
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Looking good, I'd move the quotes and the pic to the top - gives more impact before people read all the background drek and drivel . . .
(not that the other comments are true drek and drivel . . .)
(not that there'd be anything wrong with that if they were . . .)
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Good idea. I moved the pic back to the top, but rather than clutter that area with all of the quotes, I just chose my favorite Foleyism and added it to the top of the page. I left the other quotes where they were.
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I found a site yesterday where someone was talking about an arcade legends machine...
I don't see how to contact him.
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Good idea. I moved the pic back to the top, but rather than clutter that area with all of the quotes, I just chose my favorite Foleyism and added it to the top of the page. I left the other quotes where they were.
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I found a site yesterday where someone was talking about an arcade legends machine...
I don't see how to contact him. The TM's are not registered with the USPTO.
Errm, contact who???
Foley posted on the other thread that he OWNED the trademarks, but he will just say that again if contacted, whether or not it's legit.
The website I posted is just some dude's weblog saying the machine arrived at his work, and listing the games it has, but it lists Ultracade as the trademark owner, after universal. I don't think the dude with the weblog would KNOW either but I'm assuming he got that information off the ultracade site or the documentation that shipped with the machine.
Basically I was posting it to say that Ultracade is claiming the trademarks more places than just some posts here and at VPF.
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I'm game, but can Stingray change the page title, I only have 91 characters left and just the web address takes 94.
TinyURL it. Here. Copy/paste http://tinyurl.com/7gwcb
There's even a sweet little tinyurl extension for Firefox if you so desire
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TinyURL it. Here. Copy/paste http://tinyurl.com/7gwcb
There's even a sweet little tinyurl extension for Firefox if you so desire
Will this move the page up in Google, or will it make the tinyurl page move up in Google . . .
Cool idea, though!!!
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Okay the Ultracade page on my site has bloated quite a lot this morning.
Link (http://www.stingraysmadness.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=104)
I'm open to suggestions as to what needs to be added or removed.
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The following needs to be changed wherever it appears: David R. Foley, CEO of Ultracade
I realize it may be cumbersome, but in order for it to carry more weight and/or highlight the humor/irony/scumminess of the situation, it needs to be changed to:
David R. Foley, CEO of Ultracade and self-described public relations liason for Ultracade
Clean it up to be more "official" sounding, but that clearly has to be added to his title, since it's his declaration of his "public-relations" moniker further demonstrates the absurdity of his actions in light of his methods of dealing with his "audience/target market".
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TinyURL it. Here. Copy/paste http://tinyurl.com/7gwcb
There's even a sweet little tinyurl extension for Firefox if you so desire
Will this move the page up in Google, or will it make the tinyurl page move up in Google . . .
Cool idea, though!!!
That, I'm not positive on. I dunno the specifics of its redirection magic and how it relates to Google.
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I found a site yesterday where someone was talking about an arcade legends machine...
I don't see how to contact him. The TM's are not registered with the USPTO.
Errm, contact who???
Weblog guy. I'm wondering if it was in the literature?
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The following needs to be changed wherever it appears: David R. Foley, CEO of Ultracade
I realize it may be cumbersome, but in order for it to carry more weight and/or highlight the humor/irony/scumminess of the situation, it needs to be changed to:
David R. Foley, CEO of Ultracade and self-described public relations liason for Ultracade
Clean it up to be more "official" sounding, but that clearly has to be added to his title, since it's his declaration of his "public-relations" moniker further demonstrates the absurdity of his actions in light of his methods of dealing with his "audience/target market".
Okay, good suggestion. Anyone have any ideas for "cleaning it up and making it sound more official"?
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You can include verbage from these files
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Here's the letter Foley wrote regarding his actions. You can find plenty of hypocrisy in the statements.
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Openoffer.pdf and mame.pdf are already on my site, but I added the full trademark application.
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You can also dismiss all Foley's comments on how people shouldn't use art that doesn't belong to them to promote their cabinets. I found the advertisment he was using when he was distributing Namco titles without a license in his machines (found on the internet archive):
http://web.archive.org/web/20030414193513/www.ultracade.com/images/PacFamily2.jpg
oh the hypocrisy ;).
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Or maybe he learned his lesson as to the consequences of doing such a thing.
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Any sightings of Stingray's Ultracade page on Google yet? I thought it'd be showing up by now...
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It probably would help if more people would link to it from their sites.
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It probably would help if more people would link to it from their sites.
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I'll put a link on wickedretarded.com
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LOL. It's on MSN 8).
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2nd result on msn, woot
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That's so cool. 8)
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stingray is famous
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stingray is famous
Well, Foley is anyway, that's the important thing. :)
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I don't have a web page, but I put it in my KOL signature. I know that google indexes the KOL forum.
Hell, if you want to stalk me online, just google DarkKobold. I come up 75% of the time.
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You do realize you are opening yourself up for a civil defamation suit, yes?
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How so? I didn't make up anything that I put there.
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Who said you have to be right to file a civil suit?
You're also a third party without direct interest whose only motivation is to hurt his business. That does not go over well in court.
All he'd have to do is file the suit and he has already cost you some hard $$$. Don't be an idiot.
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My motivation is to let his potential customers know what kind of person they are dealing with.
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Hey, the risk is yours, I'm just warning you. The risk of having to defend yourself in a civil suit here is very real and quite expensive.
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Well I appreciate you throwing that out there. If he hadn't thought of it before he probably has now. :(
Edit: I took it down temporarily. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
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stingray if it even happened i can see alot of guys in sending donations to support ya ;)
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Well I appreciate you throwing that out there. If he hadn't thought of it before he probably has now. :(
Edit: I took it down temporarily. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
Anyone with half a skill at running a business would think of it the first time they saw that page.
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Do a search for "I hate best buy":
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=I+hate+best+buy&FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0
Web ResultsPage 1 of 514,053 results containing I hate best buy
As long as you don't try and convince the visitor that they are at the actual site, you're fine (just can't tell lies).
Name one thing on the page that is false
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You are missing the point, and my point is as big and obvious as the ocean. It mystifies me that I have to elaborate.
IT COSTS MONEY TO DEFEND A LAWSUIT, EVEN IF YOU WIN.
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Not if there isn't a case to begin with. That's why it says "you will not have a case", not "you will win your case".
Even if charges were somehow filed, Stingray would get money in the end with a countersuit. Now shut up before I sue you ;).
I suppose if it were truely a concern, it could just be brought over to 100 different Geocities accounts... hint... hint.
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I've been considering the free web hosting option this morning, but have taken no action.
Is there a lawyer in the house?
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Not if there isn't a case to begin with.
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I know it's not criminal. What do you call it when someone files papers to sue another person?
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Civil. And defending yourself against a civil suit is very expensive, from day 1, whether or not the suit has any actual merit.
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LOL. I know it's civil. I mean if you can't call it "charges" (implies criminal), what do you call it to imply a civil filing?
I'll look around and see if I can find anyone else that has posted a summary.
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You call it a civil suit.
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LOL. I know it's civil. I mean if you can't call it "charges" (implies criminal), what do you call it to imply a civil filing?
I would think "accusations" would fit what you are looking for.
CT's point is well-taken, though, the suit doesn't have to be legitimate to be filed, and would need to be defended regardless. . .
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**Sigh** I love living in a world where just the possibility of a frivolous lawsuit can intimidate me. I guess I'll leave the GD page offline. :(
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**Sigh** I love living in a world where just the possibility of a frivolous lawsuit can intimidate me. I guess I'll leave the GD page offline. :(
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I know the feeling (only too well). Then again, someone can sue you b/c your brown/blonde/gray hair offends them and they think you should change it, so over-paranoia isn't great either. . .
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**Sigh** I love living in a world where just the possibility of a frivolous lawsuit can intimidate me. I guess I'll leave the GD page offline. :(
Now you see why large organizations are so dumbass all the time. Look at your own school. I'll bet they bend over and do retarded things all the time, just to avoid the possibility of some idiot suing them because their Latino son doesn't get special consideration when the cafeteria has pizza on fridays.
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You are correct. The term "due process" will get you anything you want at this school.
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