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Title: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: Harry Potter on September 24, 2005, 11:24:27 pm
It is sad when juries believe CSI is a real thing:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1467632.htm
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: JB on September 25, 2005, 12:40:57 am
This's been going on for a while.

People don't know how the legal system actually works, so they assume what they see on TV is accurate.
Perry Mason had similar effects.
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: Harry Potter on September 25, 2005, 02:26:25 am
Not comforting.  :(
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: Crazy Cooter on September 25, 2005, 11:41:07 am
It is if you're commiting the crime.

White collar crime goes relatively unpunished anyhow.  Look at Martha Stuart.  If she had jimmied open a door and did what she did, she'd be in prison for 10 years.  What's worse, the theft or jimmying the door?

Look at the Tyco execs that stole over $600 million and manipulated the stock price.  They don't even have to pay all the money ack (not that they really could, but they should have been told to).

http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050920/BIZ/509200340/1001
"The men, who were immediately ordered into custody, will be eligible for parole after serving eight years and four months."

White collar crime pays.  It pays big.
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: NoOne=NBA= on September 25, 2005, 02:21:32 pm
What do you expect?


The last time I showed up for jury duty, they eliminated anyone with:

Managerial Experience
Military Background
Friends in Law Enforcement

This was BEFORE telling anyone what type of case it was.
Once they found out that it was a statutory rape case, many people who had been molested, knew someone who'd been molested, or had children, removed themselves from the jury pool.

That left a bunch of people that had trouble getting past the "want fries with that" stage of their career to actually BE the jury.
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: shmokes on September 25, 2005, 06:37:13 pm

White collar crime goes relatively unpunished anyhow.  Look at Martha Stuart.  If she had jimmied open a door and did what she did, she'd be in prison for 10 years.  What's worse, the theft or jimmying the door?


Don't get me wrong.  I believe that rich people largely get a free pass in our justice system, and I hate that.  But I hate seeing misinformation like this spread so widely.

Martha Stewart was not convicted or even charged with insider trading.  The $40,000 she made, or rather avoided losing, likely through insider trading, was not an issue at her trial.  Prosecutors didn't believe they had enough evidence to go after her for that.

Martha Stewart was tried and convicted for obstruction of justice because she lied to law enforcement officials.  Half a year behind bars and half a year of home arrest isn't all that unreasonable for lying to the police to protect a friend.
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: Crazy Cooter on September 26, 2005, 12:20:45 pm
That's what kept her off the hook for the rest of the stuff.
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: ChadTower on September 26, 2005, 12:29:43 pm

shmokes, stop spewing hateful facts and vicious truths around here.  Facts and truths have no place in this forum.  You should know this by now.  Shame on you.
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: elcapitan on September 26, 2005, 01:47:14 pm
A prosecutor acquaintance of mine told me they only take cases to court if they know they can win them because juries can be so unpredictable.  There's always someone willing to sit on their hands and acquit because the defendant is X (white, poor, black, rich, etc).

Unless you've got a video of the crime being committed it's a hard win. (*cough* rodney king *cough*).
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: DrewKaree on September 26, 2005, 09:30:14 pm

shmokes, stop spewing hateful facts and vicious truths around here.  Facts and truths have no place in this forum.  You should know this by now.  Shame on you.

so I'm still in the clear then, right? :D
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: shmokes on September 27, 2005, 01:22:50 am

shmokes, stop spewing hateful facts and vicious truths around here.  Facts and truths have no place in this forum.  You should know this by now.  Shame on you.

sorry
Title: Re: Would you trust this jury?
Post by: Stingray on September 27, 2005, 09:24:04 am
Imagine a jury not wanting to convict without tangible evidence. The nerve. ;)

-S