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Title: A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: mattv on June 28, 2004, 08:15:34 pm
Noritaka Funamizu has left Capcom to form his own games company

http://www.news0r.com/index.php?p=1995 (http://www.news0r.com/index.php?p=1995)

Noritaka was the creator of the "street fighter II" series of cames at capcom (including the Vs series etc). Caqpcom have decided not to produce any more 2D fighting games so Noritaka has started his own company to continue his work.



Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Floyd10 on June 28, 2004, 11:02:50 pm
crapcom didnt have much more to offer than him. I am personally glad, so we get his work directly, not the middleman(crapcom)
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: DaveMMR on June 28, 2004, 11:31:17 pm
Some of my fave games are from Capcom:

Viewtiful Joe
RE: Code Veronica
The Mega Man Series
Ghouls N Ghosts
1943

Capcom is far from 'Crapcom'.  Acclaim on the other hand...
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: TalkingOctopus on June 28, 2004, 11:48:04 pm
I have to agree that Capcom is very far from Crapcom.  They made a very large number of arcade games, many of which are decent and I am a big fan of their 2d fighters.  However, I think if he is going to continue to make 2d fighters, the seperation might be a good thing.  He will no longer be tied down to any of the long running Capcom series so maybe he can make something original.  
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Ken Layton on June 28, 2004, 11:58:04 pm
You got to remember that Crapcom gave us that stupid suicide battery.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: SNAAAKE on June 29, 2004, 12:31:53 am
Capcom releases the best games on this planet barnone.
I can't call it crapcom cuz pretty much EVERY single game from capcom is decent while 90% being A+ ;D
Lot of dont realize cuz you are not too into fighters. The new onces are much MUCH deeper then they look.Capcom vs snk 2 for example,the game has so much to offer you can never be bored playing others online(I am never bored cuz I am A ranked lol)

It is kinda sad however I am sure he will still be releasing new street fighter games.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Floyd10 on June 29, 2004, 12:40:13 am
Some of my fave games are from Capcom:

Viewtiful Joe
RE: Code Veronica
The Mega Man Series
Ghouls N Ghosts
1943

Capcom is far from 'Crapcom'.  Acclaim on the other hand...


Viewtiful joe looks good. I can't really comment.
the REs have really taken a turn
Megaman WAS great, but now they're milking it for all it's worth.
Ghosts and ghouls- Decent. nothing to dedicate a site to.
1943- not a big fan of.

Crapcom is what it is now. It used to be great. It seems to be following the timeline of 3D0... well. kind of.
and, who could forget suicide battery?
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Snarbald on June 29, 2004, 02:06:04 am
I'm glad there's still a game designer that doesn't believe a game has to be 3d to be good. Damnit, I miss sidescrollers.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: JAMMA Guy on June 29, 2004, 07:01:34 am
I'm into fighters and I'll take Namco or Sega over Capcom any day of the week.

Take Tekken 4 ... a three page printout just for one character's move list ... now that's deep. (Can't wait to see Tekken 5  :) )

(I do like Guilty Gear XX #Reload for the NAOMI GD-ROM ... freakin' sweet 2D fighter)
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: abrannan on June 29, 2004, 08:15:37 am
I'm into fighters and I'll take Namco or Sega over Capcom any day of the week.

Take Tekken 4 ... a three page printout just for one character's move list ... now that's deep. (Can't wait to see Tekken 5  :) )

(I do like Guilty Gear XX #Reload for the NAOMI GD-ROM ... freakin' sweet 2D fighter)

Number of moves does not make a game deep.  Take your example of Guilty Gear XX, there's barely 1/2 page of moves for each character, yet I'd say it's the deepest 2d fighter, and one of the deepest fighters, period.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: DaveMMR on June 29, 2004, 08:30:26 am
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Viewtiful joe looks good. I can't really comment.

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Damnit, I miss sidescrollers

Viewtiful Joe is a great sidescroller (albeit with 3D graphics).  A little difficult on the Gamecube but it's being released for the PS2 with a slightly more forgiving difficulty setting (along with a sequel).

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It seems to be following the timeline of 3D0... well. kind of.

I dunno... I don't recall 3DO ever being a 'great' publisher (forget the $700 game machine) unless you're a real big fan of those underwhelming Army Men games.

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and, who could forget suicide battery?

Inadmissable.  According to a couple of sites I read, Sega used a suicide battery two years prior to Capcom.  Secondly - has nothing to do with the debate on hand (games).  But for whatever reason they did it - I do agree that it sucked they had it (especially if it's a CPS2 game).  


Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Floyd10 on June 29, 2004, 02:20:44 pm
for 3d0, the first 2 or 3 army men was good. then it got horrible. remember sarge's heros? I think this is how megaman is going to end up.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: JAMMA Guy on June 29, 2004, 07:49:22 pm
The suicide batteries for the CPS2 isn't that big of a deal (easy to change or eliminate all together).
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: DaveMMR on June 29, 2004, 08:18:25 pm
I was reading up on suicide batteries at arcadecollecting.com and the CPS2's are the ones they said didn't have a viable fix yet if the battery died.  My question is now: how long do these batteries last?



Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: mattv on June 29, 2004, 09:08:13 pm
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My question is now: how long do these batteries last?

It really depends on how much the board has been used. The battery doesn't really drain when the board is powered up so if you have a CPS2 game that has been in high rotation the battery may have gears og life left in it.

Left alone and without power your CPS board would probably last about 3 years from a brand new battery.

Changing the battery is pretty easy, instructions here (or from Google)
http://www.arcadebase.de/tech11.htm (http://www.arcadebase.de/tech11.htm)
But you have to remember to do it reguarly. As long as your CPS2 board is working when you get it you should be good to go until you forget to chage the battery

If you have a b board that is already busted due to battery failure it is possible to bring it back to life but a little harder. You can also use this process to "fix" your working boards so you don't need to worry about batteries. Instructions here
http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/suicide.html (http://cps2shock.retrogames.com/suicide.html)
but its a pain in the bum
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Floyd10 on June 29, 2004, 09:11:54 pm
Pretty standard ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Like if you need to clean your cab, for whatever reason. Do this too.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: shmokes on July 01, 2004, 03:50:30 am
for 3d0, the first 2 or 3 army men was good. then it got horrible. remember sarge's heros? I think this is how megaman is going to end up.

Well, it's saying quite a bit that you see Megaman's downfall as something still to come.  He's about twenty years old afterall.  Anyway, the last couple Megaman games released for the GBA have been great.  The aniversary recently released for the consoles is great too, but I guess you don't have to count that (even though aniversary compilations are screwed up more often than not).  At any rate, he seems to be doing alright.

At its best Army Men has been a good idea that fell just short of being implemented right.  At worst (and fairly consistently) the series has just plain sucked.

But seriously, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil 4, Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Legend of Zelda: Oracle (both games), Breath of Fire, Maximo v. Army of Zin.....

....are you sure you didn't maybe jump the gun a bit.  "Crapcom" isn't just getting lucky here and there.  They're still releasing great games with regularity....to the tune of quite a few every year.  And the vast majority of their games, if they aren't great, are still at least decent.

I think you must be out of your element here.  If you think Capcom ain't releasing anything worth while these days, you simply haven't been playing anything Capcom's been releasing.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: DarkKobold on July 01, 2004, 10:45:27 am
I sadly bought stock in acclaim at 18 a share, right before MK2.... It is now roughly 30c a share.   :'(
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: DaveMMR on July 01, 2004, 11:20:05 am
I sadly bought stock in acclaim at 18 a share, right before MK2.... It is now roughly 30c a share.   :'(

Sorry about that Dark, hopefully your next investment will bring you better luck.

I actually applied and got a job as a game tester at Acclaim.  Why didn't I take it?  The pay was horrible, the hours were ludicrous and pretty much every release at the time was just some wrestling game (plus I couldn't work the days they wanted me to because of my sister's upcoming wedding).  Why they needed game testers is beyond me since they obviously don't fix any of the bugs in the final releases of their games.  Avid readers of Electronic Gaming Monthly will remember that their 'Mortal Kombat Advance' was the only game in their 15 year history to actually score a 0.0 from one reviewer, due to it mostly seeming like a early beta version that was rushed to store shelves.   On top of that their games are sloppily thrown together tripe to take advantage of a licensed name (quick: name one good South Park game or one good Simpsons game not by Konami or EA) or steadily declining rehashes rushed out the door (All Star Baseball was a great series that has gotten worse and worse, same with Turok).  The once repsectable Acclaim is slowly becoming a trash spewer almost comparable to the company that released porn games for the Atari 2600 (if it hasn't already).  

Sorry for the rant.  And in fairness there are still some good games that come out by Acclaim (Burnout is a respectable series), but all in all they're dangerously close to making the same mistakes that, in part, caused the original video game crash in 1984.

Capcom's still pretty great though (and I forgot that they worked on the GBA Zelda as well as the Oracle's).
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Floyd10 on July 01, 2004, 01:27:07 pm
forgot about Zelda as well. seeing the facts presented, I must say that they aren't crapcom, but they are on the verge. RE 4 wasn't good, people. I envision their death being that they will spend most of their time and resources into making a great fighter, and trying to compete with the guy (lapse). Then the rest of their games will suffer. Buyer Beware
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: DaveMMR on July 01, 2004, 01:59:59 pm
forgot about Zelda as well. seeing the facts presented, I must say that they aren't crapcom, but they are on the verge. RE 4 wasn't good, people. I envision their death being that they will spend most of their time and resources into making a great fighter, and trying to compete with the guy (lapse). Then the rest of their games will suffer. Buyer Beware

Didn't you read the first post as to why they parted ways in the first place?  Capcom is not making anymore 2D fighters.

But I don't see how not making anymore Street Fighters (and its spin-offs) is going to kill the company.  Fighting games are not their only genre and they have a strong enough catalogue of established series (plus up and coming games) that they'll remain pretty strong.  When it comes to game companies they're definately in the top tier (along with ~personal opinion~ Sega, Nintendo, Konami and EA).

I mean, whatever, you can believe what you want but I'll be too busy picking up my Mega Man Anniversary Collection (and subsequently playing it) to be concerned.  ;)
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Sephroth57 on July 01, 2004, 02:16:59 pm
well i hope this guy comes out with something equal caliber to MVC2 when it first came out. that game just blew me away, still my fav fighting game
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: shmokes on July 01, 2004, 02:41:33 pm
forgot about Zelda as well. seeing the facts presented, I must say that they aren't crapcom, but they are on the verge. RE 4 wasn't good, people. I envision their death being that they will spend most of their time and resources into making a great fighter, and trying to compete with the guy (lapse). Then the rest of their games will suffer. Buyer Beware

RE 4 hasn't been released yet, but it's a complete overhaul of the series, throwing out the static backgrounds and clunky controls.  Since it hasn't been released yet I'm reserving judgement, but it looks like it's going to be spectacular.  A lot of the gaming press has had a chance to spend some time with the early builds and people seem to think that Capcom is sitting on what is shaping up to be an amazing game.  

Who know, though?  I don't think it's going to be released until early next year.

Admittedly, RE 3, which I guess is what you are actually referring to, wasn't that good.
Title: Re:A sad day for capcom but a great day for capcom fighting fans
Post by: Floyd10 on July 01, 2004, 03:16:04 pm
I meant RE: Outbreak. I wasn't talking about "4". and veronica (fro ps2) sucked.