The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Software Support => GroovyMAME => Topic started by: Customcade on December 08, 2024, 01:59:12 am
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Been trying for weeks now and actually getting angry at this point...
Follow the directions and only get black screen or garbled non sense each attempt.
I am running a dell 9020 SFF pc tower with and R7 240 video card with display port and dvi outputs.
Have the wells gardner 39" k7600 showcase monitor and it's set at 15k and ran to the PC with a vga cable that connects to the dvi adapter/converter.
I select display 1 for dvi VM sees the driver
I set it to standard 15k arcade
Enable EDID then lose display on my dell pc monitor hot swap over to the 39" wells gardner monitor and it's just a black screen.
I did something in the settings where I uncheck a box and it gave me a garbled up display but nothing I can work with.
Do I need to tick the composite sync box to enable it or pick the wells gardner k7000 option instead of standard 15K
I have no clue at this point, old pc had a AGP ultimarc arcadevga connected to the same vga cable currently on the monitor and it installed with ease and worked flawless for 20 years with no issue.
I can't this to work no matter what I do I even have two of the same cards one stock and one with atom 15 either work for me lol
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I am running a dell 9020 SFF pc tower with and R7 240 video card with display port and dvi outputs.
As far as I am aware, the R7 240 card has DVI-D, which does not support analog RGBHV signal outputs.
You have the SFF version of the card, which unfortunately does not have a VGA video head. HOWEVER, it should have a 12-pin header, near the top of the card, that supports a VGA connector (see pic).
So, one solution might be to find a VGA header with the 12-pin connector and use that. AFAIK the only reason the VGA head is not connected is to save space for the SFF profile. However, I don't know: will it then be available to select in Display Manager / VMMaker?
Another solution might be to use a VGA adapter from the DP port HDMI port. Someone else might have some adapter recommendations.
These are just suggestions from my armchair, I don't have an R7 240 card.
EDIT: I just noticed that your card doesn't have a DP port as you've claimed above - it is HDMI.
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Thanks for your comment, Zebidee. That makes total sense then. The only part that I'm confused about is that Customcade says he loses display on his Dell PC monitor when enabling EDID emulation... how is that PC monitor connected? DVI-D?
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... how is that PC monitor connected? DVI-D?
I assume so, can't see how else :dunno
Customcade, check this out, a VGA D-sub with ribbon cable, 12-pin header and comes with a SFF slot bracket - seems designed for your needs. You could plug it in and use a spare slot for the VGA analog output.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/161138963907?_ul=AU&chn=ps&google_free_listing_action=view_item
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I missed typed I have the R5 240
It has a display port and DVI but not sure what DVI type.
I have different adapters for both dvi and display port to VGA,HDMI but also only have the DVI-I type and not a straight up analog DVI-A.
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It says it has display port and DVI-I output.
I tried it in both outputs on both the dell pc monitor and the k7600 39" wells gardner.
I have the same vga cable ran to the monitor that same way it worked with the ultimarc arcadevga AGP version card.
I did look at my card to see if it had a header location and it does but have 16 points and the pre-filled them with solder.
I can still get a header on it though I been into electronics repair for almost 30 years now.
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Cool. If your R5 240 supports DVI-I then you don't need to worry about that header.
DVI-VGA adapters are very simple, just a straight passthrough of the analog signals.
For DVI-I, all the basic analog signals (except vertical sync) are carried in the little 2x2 cluster of pins that sit a little apart at one end. There is a "tongue" in the middle for ground.
If you're into electronics repair then you could check the VGA signal outputs with a DMM. Easier with some kind of breakout cable. You could even hook up the H-sync to a scope to see if you're getting 15.7k frequency.
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First time I bought and owned a dell ovwr buying my own and long story short never again.
I played hell trying to get it into safe mode to remove the drivers where I am ready to start over and try again lol
I had to take the card put then the battery out let it drain itself of power throw the flashed bios card in boot it to a black screen then pull the flashed card and swap it out for the stock card which made it go goofy enough to bring up the proper menu for me to select boot safe made.
All my other pc's I just held f8 or delete to get them type options but yeah these cells are silly and never again in my case.
If I was new to all this type stuff I would not be so frustrated but I been a PC and software for 30 years now and something so simple is fighting mw tooth and nail....
So right now, stock card dell monitor on display port with HDMI adapter, HDMI cable ran to dell pc monitor.
DVI-I to VGA adapter, Vga adapter to ultimarc VGA break out cable that goes to the wells gardner k7600 39" beast.
Also pretty sure I have the monitors jumper set for 15k only and all I am after still.
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Installed the driver and seems to go fine.
Then set arcade osd to 640 x 480 and set it as desktop mode but I dont know how to swap monitors or if I can I press number 2 key and it does nothing so I can only set my dell monitor.
I set it anyhow and hook up the 15k monitor and what I get for a desktop display now.
I have not done anything with VM maker yet.
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Screen is split vertically 3 times but stable with no shake.
Seems to be on the dim side overall too it use to be brighter.
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Think the issue now is the arcade monitor was showing up under device manager as generic pnp monitor along with my dell pc monitor but now only the dell is showing up on device manager.
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Screen is split vertically 3 times but stable with no shake.
This just means you are outputting video at >31khz frequency. That is the best a 15khz monitor can do, split the image so it can show onscreen. Earlier you probably selected the native 640x480 mode in OSD. This is hardwired into the video card (can't be removed) and in in progressive format (not interlaced).
Select the right desktop mode (custom) in OSD.
Seems to be on the dim side overall too it use to be brighter.
Seems likely a normal consequence of having the image split three ways.
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I think I tried native and custom and got the same results.
Can I use just the dell on the DVI output and set the osd for the dell it registers as shut it down and then plug in the 15k arcade monitor in its spot and it pick up fine or does the arcade monitor itself need to be registering in osd and VM maker.
As it sits now I can only get either program to see the dell and how I have it running by mdmi or dvi-I etc. But nothing about another monitor can be accessed aside a list of disabled in VM maker.
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I don't remember what I had desktop res set to when I had it working with the arcade vga but ia it possible the wells k7600 just don't like 640×480 and need to go lower?
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Also I am not using or have tried any legacy drivers of crt emudriver yet.
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Been using and only tried adrenalin 18.5.1 for r7 200 series.
Crimson does have some r5 options but not 240 that I have.
Maybe I am using the wrong driver?
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K7600 will be fine with 640x480i.
I can't really follow what you are doing unless I know absolutely everything you have done from start to finish. That, and I'm not really the software support guy. I only piped in because you seemed to have a DVI-D hardware issue, but it was just a mis-reported video card model. I keep hoping Calamity will say something, but he is a busy guy and can't be expected to hold everyone's hands all the time.
What I'd do is start again from the beginning, and follow Calamity's guides for your video card to the letter. Do them in order, don't miss or skip any steps. Usually this sorts out people's problems.
The only way to work out if you are using the right drivers is to refer to those guides, which I believe are accurate. You don't need any "legacy" drivers afaik.
So that's what I'd do. Identify what guide and drivers to use, follow the guide. Some people seem to have trouble following the guides but everything is right there. Then if it still doesn't work, report exactly what steps you took from beginning to finish and where it seemed to go wrong. Pics help.
Otherwise, maybe you are somehow borking up the monitor presets somehow - in which case, just use the default standard Arcade_15 or generic_15 profiles.
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In the "Edid emulation" step, make sure to pick the VGA output, not the DVI-D one. Some people fail on this step thinking they have to pick DVI there, because the connector on the card is actual a DVI (I), but the signal we want is analog (VGA) not digital (DVI-D).
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I am not getting that far yet, Nothing is mentioned about EDID in the driver install instructions.
I get the driver installed.
Go to arcade osd and set it for 640x480 native or custom and then get the screen shot above for a display.
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The guide for you to follow is here:
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1052#p1052
You need to detail every single little step you take from start to finish.
For example:
- Did you install the driver?
- Did you enable TEST SIGNING?
- Did you restart the computer?
- Do you now get a "TEST MODE "message in the bottom-right corner?
- What driver is reported as installed when you look under device manager?
I am not getting that far yet, Nothing is mentioned about EDID in the driver install instructions.
The instructions about enabling EDID are at step 2 of the install instructions, entitled "STEP 2 - ENABLING EDID EMULATION"
- Here I'd want to know what monitor presets you have chosen from the pull-down list?
- Did you uncheck "Extend desktop automatically on device restart"?
- What analog video output have you chosen for EDID emulation?
- Now you've done that, go into Display Settings - what does windows report your monitor as?
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Cool I printed the entire documents section off the site and what it says and what you posted are two very different methods.
I will try the one you linked to.
Thank for the help guys I am lost up to now but going to give that set of directions a try now.
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Still going to need help guys but started fresh and took pictures as I went in hopes we can figure this out.
Will start the thread over from here but will take a few post with pictures to get to my current spot.
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My hardware.
Dell U2410 pc monitor has pretty much all input types.
Wells gardner k7600 39" set to 15k with ultimarc vga cable.
Stock dell 9020 SFF with AMD R5 240 GPU, 32gig ram i7 processor.
GPU has a display port and a dvi port.
I currently have the dell connected to the display port with a display port to HDMI adapter then HDMI cable running to the dell monitor.
The wells is connected to the GPU output by a DVI to vga adapter then the ultimarc vga cable from the wells monitor to the adapter.
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Stuck for now until I can figure out why the site is not working with me now lmao 🙈
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Stuck for now until I can figure out why the site is not working with me now lmao 🙈
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Unfortunately, the forum software sometimes throws false positives during the security checks. :banghead:
The best known workaround is to either crop or resize the image by about 3-5% and try uploading it again.
Scott
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Rather than just attaching the image to your main posts, you can instead post them to the "NOT A PROJECT" thread (https://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,164992.msg1775604.html#new). Then you can link (right click, copy link) to them from your main posts, using IMG tags. This makes it easier to resize and position your image alongside your text.
https://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,164992.msg1775604.html#new
On the new post screen, there are shortcut buttons to help with this. Better than me explaining: find other people's posts with embedded images, click "QUOTE" from their post and then you can see how they have done it.
(https://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=164992.0;attach=396765;image)
To save you looking, I've just re-posted one of Bobby's pinball restoration pics above. Without interfering with the original image, here it has been resized to only 640 pixels wide. Also, it sits in the middle of my text, where I want it, rather than just tacked onto the end.
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I install the drivers and all seems to go fine but it only shows my dell under device manager, Nothing about any other monitor.
Same for desktop display settings and it is not showing screen 1-2 either.
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I go into arcade osd and select 640x480 but only have a 31k option but the 640x480 31k works on the dell but not the arcade.
I also don't have or see a way to toggle monitors I it says p2 but I don't have that key and when I press the number 2 key it does nothing I can tell.
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Arcade osd seems to read the driver but no option or saying anything about the wells still.
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I have only tried this setting on this page as far as monitor type
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At this point I still had nothing and hooked up the dvi output of the GPU to the dell and it registered and why it shows two but the arcade monitor and dell only the dell shows up still.
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I been to this point and tried both HDMI and who but not analog.
Then I press the enable EDID and my screen goes black, Then I can't get any display on the dell or arcade and have to get the PC into safemode to remove the driver and start again.
I have not got any further then this point and seems to crash or go out of sync until I delete the emu drivers in safe mode.
Getting into safemode on these dell 9020 sff is absolutely ridiculous too lol.
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Customcade,
In the EDID emulation drop-down menu, you must select Analog_0-VGA.
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That figures the one thing I didn't do or try.
Do I select it and then enable in the tab to the right and should be all set for the next step then?
Appreciate the help you guys I been stumped even ordered and got in a dedicated DVI-A analog type adapter in the mail today thinking it may not be sending analog but makes sense if I never picked it out and told it too.
Hopefully I will be all set now but while I got ya and idea if the RX 550 amd gpu will work with the drivers?
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That did it I think, I just did not understand I had to click and enable EDID for analog.
The 15k is displaying proper now aside the bottom of the screen has a solid black bar across it.
Not sure if I am supposed to adjust it by software or use the adjustment board on the wells gardner itself yet.
I just geeked I got a display I can work with and start reading the next steps.
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I picked 640x480i for osd desktop setting.
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Got the black bar issue solved with the monitors adjustment board.
Now I just have this top left side screen collapse or something weird going on, all three of the other sides are all flush and squared up nicely.
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Now I just have this top left side screen collapse or something weird going on, all three of the other sides are all flush and squared up nicely.
Same issue on my Hantarex, I just live with that. I guess it needs new capacitors, but I'm more likely to break what works.
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Yeah for the most part it's not even an issue and barley noticeable on colored displays.
Just was wondering of ot may have been a certain res type issue or just let it ride like you said.
I want to say I did not have that spot like that prior but it's been awhile and can't say for sure.
I did do a full cap kit on it maybe 3-4 years back and maybe got 40 hours usage most since the replacement.
It could be a cap going again though was just more curious if it was something I could tune out on the fly back or something.
All seems well and doing what I want but only have 640x480 and a bunch of reductions 2000+x another crazy high number.
My mamewah picked right up from the old setup but the MK's are all out of sync.
When I did the install I went with super resolutions should I have went with the user mode option instead?
Just waiting on my sub box glue to dry and going to tackle getting my res options settled bow and should be a done deal after that.
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Switch over to to the non super modes and most work fine now but mortal kombat 1 2 3 and a few other games don't sync proper.
MK is suppose to be 400 x 254
I added it into the user mode document under the aux list and it synced but had a black bar across the top and bottom of the screen.
I then try to do the mame xml list part but it's been stuck on this screen for over two hours now???
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Many consumer TVs, even some pro video monitors, are incapable of handling refresh rates in the mid-50's, like MK has.(54.7hz). They are designed primarily for ~60hz (NTSC) and/or 50hz (PAL). MK is just too far out of range.
Unfortunately the default monitor presets available for 15khz do not really accommodate this, for example the "generic_15" just gives a single range from 49.5-65hz.
You use this and all seems sweet until you want to play MK or something similar. GM thinks your TV can handle 54.7hz, right in the middle of the range, you said that it could in the monitor presets, but obviously it can't. So your picture goes out of sync.
For these situations I use a custom monitor preset with two sets of crt_range values. For modes up to 240p it automatically uses the 60hz range, and for modes with more lines it uses the 50hz range. You can open up or restrict the ranges as much as you want to suit your TV. The following example will keep the modes pretty tightly to 50hz and 60hz only.
It will choose from the 60hz range for modes with up to 248 lines (progressive), and beyond that uses the 50hz range.
monitor "NTSC/PAL only", "PAL/NTSC 50/60hz only", "4:3"
crt_range0 15600-15900, 49.50-50.00, 2.000, 4.700, 4.700, 0.064, 0.192, 1.056, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
crt_range1 15600-15900, 59.50-61.00, 2.000, 4.700, 5.800, 0.064, 0.192, 0.898, 0, 0, 192, 248, 448, 480
The numbers in bold are the maximum number of progressive lines possible, and the numbers in italics are the max number of interlaced lines possible.
Then when you want to play MK, GM will choose one of the 50hz modes and work it's magic to make everything sync up. Example attached! I have no idea what Calamity thinks about all these shenanigans, but it seems to work for me.
Still using MameWAH? I gave up trying to get it to play nicely in Windows 7 and migrated to Attract-Mode.
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Thank you for the info and will give it a try.
Going to try groovymame out today also.
I have it setup to boot right into mamewah amd all is well but there is a extra method that needs to be taken to get mamewah working proper on Windows 10+
I don't remember off hand but found the tutorial online and was rather easy and quick to get it setup for modern OS.
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I did get MameWAH working for Win 7+10, even wrote a little script to automate installing the drivers/libraries required. But in the end I decided it was just too clunky. IIRC videos & screensavers weren't working right, and the "last straw" for me was that resolution auto-switching feature didn't work anymore on Win7+ (in XP, MW would automatically switch video mode to match the layout background, useful for the game you want to start). In the end I found another way to automate mode switching with Display Changer 2 (DC2) and batch files, and there are other ways to do it.
Anyway, little off-topic. Attract-Mode has the other features I want, has been updated in the past 10 years and there is an active community. Is easy to setup if you use the default layouts.
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I'm sure the K7600 supports 54 Hz. It's probably a matter of finding a sweat spot in the V-hold / V-freq pot that covers the range from 50 up to 60 Hz.
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I'm sure the K7600 supports 54 Hz. It's probably a matter of finding a sweat spot in the V-hold / V-freq pot that covers the range from 50 up to 60 Hz.
Oh right, apologies Calamity, I forgot that they using a real arcade monitor, not a modded TV. I have TVs on the brain as I've been talking TVs with others and fixing a couple of mine over past few days. Yes, you may need to tweak the V-hold. Not very convenient, but in an arcade setting you'd only have a single game so it wouldn't matter.
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So far I just been going into each games .ini within mame and manually changing its display to 640x480 and they display great or at least gold enough where I can't tell the difference between it and their original native and I am one of the picky proper display type of guys lol
Now I just need to figure out how to automate all those type games to 640x480 instead of one at a time as I bump into them.
Got the silly car audio system up and running today too and oh my is it something to hear and play on with that 6.5" meso 600w RMS @ 2ohm.
I can feel each step, punch, whack fall and alike right up my arms now 😆
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Now I just have this top left side screen collapse or something weird going on, all three of the other sides are all flush and squared up nicely.
Same issue on my Hantarex, I just live with that. I guess it needs new capacitors, but I'm more likely to break what works.
Think I may have found our corner fix, Knowing me I seen it and said to myself why is this junk tape on this tube and ripped it off and tossed it long ago lol
https://youtu.be/xAbqucrWHjU?si=G50ePj0HwiIlyBzx
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Watching that video, it seems apparent that the dude moved the convergence strip before even clicking "play". Then moved it back for our entertainment. But nevermind, very informative for people that have never heard of convergence strips.
These are one of the things to pull of a dead CRT, if you ever find one "in the wild". Buying new almost impossible, convergence strips seem to be like hen's teeth.
Now I just have this top left side screen collapse or something weird going on, all three of the other sides are all flush and squared up nicely.
Same issue on my Hantarex, I just live with that. I guess it needs new capacitors, but I'm more likely to break what works.
Think I may have found our corner fix, Knowing me I seen it and said to myself why is this junk tape on this tube and ripped it off and tossed it long ago lol
https://youtu.be/xAbqucrWHjU?si=G50ePj0HwiIlyBzx
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Lol, I have not opened ot again to take a look but have gut feeling it was there and tossed it while I was in there cleaning everything up.
I never had this issue until the rebuild, It's not terrible and really most would not even notice bit I see it 😄