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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: Pugster on October 13, 2020, 12:13:41 am
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Hi - first off apologies if this info is already out there, I can't seem to get the search function working.
I'm looking for suggestions on building a 2-player MAME cocktail cabinet - the big thing is that my wife loves vertical old-school games...and I really want it to be a decent 2-player Street Fighter (and Gauntlet!) machine as well. Where this has landed me is the idea of doing a widescreen cocktail cabinet (thinking 24"?) with 6 button control panels. I understand that MAME can run "mirrored" mode screens for horizontal games like SF, along with a cocktail mode that flips back and forth for 2 player games.
So my questions is...what do people think of that plan? Am I better off sticking with a standard 20" non-widescreen build? Any other options that I should explore? My wife is pretty keen on the cocktail cabinet, so I think if this is gonna happen that's the way it's going to go. Also, any plans/dimensions out there that are recommended other than modifying the MsPacMan cabinet plans that I've ran across already?
Just getting started here, so thanks in advance...excited for the project!
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Why does it need to be widescreen? Street Fighter and Gauntlet are played on a 4:3 monitor and classic vertical games are played on a 3:4 monitor. I would just build a Midway cocktail cabinet if I were you but for the control panels use a joystick and 6 buttons. Use a 19" monitor and control panels on the ends only. There are people who build cocktails with a long CP on one side in addition to the smaller CPs on the ends but trust me, it is very uncomfortable to play like that. I threw away a cocktail cabinet I built years ago that I tried to cram every game under the sun into.
For the software you can do exactly what you said - mirror the 4:3 games so both players have their own playfield or use the cocktail mode to flip the screen for 3:4 games that have alternating turns. For games like Hat Trick you wouldn't flip and you'd get to use the whole screen for both players simultaneously.
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I just did a rough layout on paper and I'm in complete agreement now I think...;)
Looks like a midway build with a Dell 2007FP as the monitor should work well, and once I looked at the dimensions of 4:3 vs. widescreen it became pretty clear that I'd be gaining zero "width" and the extra screen would be wasted. Originally the 24" idea was because I was going to do a second side, but after looking at setups and reading some opinions I think I'll stick to a 2 player setup as you suggested.
So now the next big question - is it worth scouring the internet for dimensions and plans for a Midway cocktail table that is built for a 20" screen and a 6 button control panel or do I just build one up myself? I have looked at Haruman's tables, but with the COVID restrictions around crossing the border (I'm in Canada) I think it may be better to just dive in myself and enjoy the process of building a cabinet. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the opinion! It really does help, totally new to this.
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Here are plans for Midway Cocktail cabinets, both Pac-man and Ms. Pac-man. I used them when building my Pac-man.
https://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/cabplans.html
There are places you can order blank control panels for Midway cabs and drill your own holes as well.
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You may want to work through the design process in the FAQ.
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/FAQ#What_type_of_build_meets_my_needs.3F (http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/FAQ#What_type_of_build_meets_my_needs.3F)
Focus on step 2 (game list) and see how those games display on the monitor you're considering using and what controls were on the original upright and cocktail cabs.
- You may not want to mix vertical and horizontal games.
- Some games alternate gameplay with P1 and P2 taking turns on a single set of controls and other games allow simultaneous gameplay with separate controls for both players.
There's a difference between setting the machine configuration/dipswitches to cocktail and the MAME "cocktail" video option.
- Machine configuration/dipswitches make the game inputs and responses behave like the original cocktail machines.
-- Some upright cabs alternated gameplay with P1 controls, but the cocktail cab had separate controls for both players and flipped the screen.
- The "cocktail" video option will usually* give you two copies of the game display oriented toward the short sides of a WS monitor for horizontal games like Bubble Bobble but can be oriented toward the long sides for vertical games like Space Fury.
-- You may need to make custom layout files for 2 displays on vertical games or rotate one big display and use cocktail flipping.
- Some games may not work well if you enable both machine configuration/dipswitches and the "cocktail" video option.
* IIRC vector games will not work well with the "cocktail" video option.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=141791.0;attach=317860;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=141791.0;attach=317858;image)
Remember that there is no simple one-size-fits-all solution to make all MAME games look and work right on a cocktail build.
Scott