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Title: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: formula409 on July 04, 2020, 12:03:19 am
Has anyone done this?

Might also apply to Saturn Bomberman's 10 player mode.
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: Recapnation on July 04, 2020, 07:13:35 am
2nd Impact is still progressive 15-kHz in its widescreen mode, an ordinary HDTV CRT (which won't go below 480-P) won't do the game any good unless you force a scanline effect into it (and still). For emulating Saturn Bomber Man's Hi-Ten mode it could very well be the best display one can find if it's free from postprocessing crap, but you must make sure first the emulator will let you pick that particular video mode -- hardly MAME is a good one for this system.
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: formula409 on July 04, 2020, 08:03:05 am
2nd Impact is still progressive 15-kHz in its widescreen mode, an ordinary HDTV CRT (which won't go below 480-P) won't do the game any good unless you force a scanline effect into it (and still). For emulating Saturn Bomber Man's Hi-Ten mode it could very well be the best display one can find if it's free from postprocessing crap, but you must make sure first the emulator will let you pick that particular video mode -- hardly MAME is a good one for this system.

I thought they had 240p modes because you can plug say a Genesis or SNES into them, and they look fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol1vT34t0uE
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: Recapnation on July 04, 2020, 08:18:45 am
and they look fine.

Do they?
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: formula409 on July 06, 2020, 12:56:12 am
As far as I know, yes.
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: Recapnation on July 06, 2020, 07:50:53 am
First-hand experience or just trusting You Tube primadonnas?
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: schmerzkaufen on July 06, 2020, 04:00:10 pm
Oh I read some terrible stuff about it: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1345383#p1345383

Some lag also: ttp://youtu.be/tDLQrGKEnVI

Not cool for 15khz emulation, not the best for 6th gen progscan consoles, nor even for 7th/8th gen either.

Remind me how much does it weight ?  :o
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: formula409 on July 07, 2020, 02:46:08 am
Interesting. So is there any 16:9 monitor that wouldn't BLOW for SF3: Second Impact? You have to wonder what Capcom tested on.
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: Calamity on July 07, 2020, 05:47:40 am
If you're lucky you might find a 16:9 Loewe TV with chassis q2500, that has the VGA module installed. Only through this module you can get truly unfiltered, unscaled RGB on these TVs.
Title: Re: Widescreen Sony HDTV CRT and Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact's widescreen mode
Post by: Zebidee on July 09, 2020, 02:33:29 am
I used to have a Sony widescreen CRT HDTV that I bought new, waaaaaay back when (about 15 years ago). It was early days of retrogaming for me, but I tested my VGA-SCART cable with MAME on it and it worked - except that the picture looked "OK but a bit crap" compared to other CRTs I was using at the time, so I didn't take it any further. It was early days of emulation for me, but my impression was that it took the 15khz input, but squeezed it into some widescreen mode.

That TV was stolen from me not long after (2006 I think), so I didn't get to test it any further. I replaced it with a 2nd hand Grundig 31" CRT 4:3 ratio and was very happy streaming my video and games content over the LAN to that (mostly my kids used it for playing old PC kids games and watching videos over the network using a PC version of XBMC, in the days before media server PCs were a thing).

Now that I think about it, the Sony HDTV getting stolen might have been a a good thing  :laugh2: