Post by: bigster on February 28, 2019, 12:38:38 am
For some reason I find the horders versus the anti horders more interesting...
Post by: ark_ader on February 28, 2019, 12:16:29 pm
Nothing is leaked. Some guy had the boards and started to make a big issue about it, and to be fair if a game craps out in a test market and gets canned, well everyone wants it even more.
We have a wonderful guy who dumps the boards, then sells them on after getting financial and physical donations, called the Guru. The Mame devs, by some divine intervention, then take this dump and work it into the Mame core to get it working. After that the ROM mysteriously appears on the internet by some unbelievable act of God. Then the Guru sells the boards on once the dump is "documented". The whole process is a religious experience from start to finish.
Unfortunately the Guru needs to keep the boards in a secure location to give the Mame project some legitimacy, as the process to get the game working requires some security cracking which is against the DMCA.
Since this is the case, it puts the efforts of the project into the legal dark grey area as they do not own the boards for their preservation status and the exception to the DMCA provision, as required to succeed. Still with me?
So it is like buying wii games from Gamestop, dumping all your bought and donated Wii games to a hard disk, sharing them on the internet, and then selling the bought discs back to GameStop. Something tells me that is not a legal gray area.. :lol
What it does allow, legally, (IMO) is to repair or provide a platform for rom owners of said copyright content to use the Mame software for commercial purposes for free, in theory.
So in the future can you please just follow a less preachy format like this when you ask questions about drama on the interwebs. Thanks. :cheers:
Post by: thatpurplestuff on February 28, 2019, 12:48:17 pm
Post by: pbj on February 28, 2019, 01:22:53 pm
Post by: bigster on February 28, 2019, 02:34:35 pm
Drama? It took me 10 seconds to find the information. In future you need to research and find the information, give the link and then supply your review of the events. This would make a better post of talking about something, then having people get the information for you. I find this behaviour rather stupid, but I since kids today cannot think for themselves, I guess we have to give them a break or whatever it is called today. ::)Genius. This is the type of detail and tone I was looking for regarding the dump.
Nothing is leaked. Some guy had the boards and started to make a big issue about it, and to be fair if a game craps out in a test market and gets canned, well everyone wants it even more.
We have a wonderful guy who dumps the boards, then sells them on after getting financial and physical donations, called the Guru. The Mame devs, by some divine intervention, then take this dump and work it into the Mame core to get it working. After that the ROM mysteriously appears on the internet by some unbelievable act of God. Then the Guru sells the boards on once the dump is "documented". The whole process is a religious experience from start to finish.
Unfortunately the Guru needs to keep the boards in a secure location to give the Mame project some legitimacy, as the process to get the game working requires some security cracking which is against the DMCA.
Since this is the case, it puts the efforts of the project into the legal dark grey area as they do not own the boards for their preservation status and the exception to the DMCA provision, as required to succeed. Still with me?
So it is like buying wii games from Gamestop, dumping all your bought and donated Wii games to a hard disk, sharing them on the internet, and then selling the bought discs back to GameStop. Something tells me that is not a legal gray area..
What it does allow, legally, (IMO) is to repair or provide a platform for rom owners of said copyright content to use the Mame software for commercial purposes for free, in theory.
So in the future can you please just follow a less preachy format like this when you ask questions about drama on the interwebs. Thanks. :cheers:
To be fair, I did check all the usual places for the release background, but maybe I missed it. I found it odd to see the release mentioned in the new issue of retro gamer magazine before seeing a flame war on why it should or should not be released, etc.
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Post by: Malenko on February 28, 2019, 03:39:51 pm
Post by: negative1 on February 28, 2019, 06:55:24 pm
love sonic,
love puzzle games.
hits on all accounts.
always fun to have an unreleased game.
later
-1
Post by: Haze on March 01, 2019, 07:06:58 am
Drama? It took me 10 seconds to find the information. In future you need to research and find the information, give the link and then supply your review of the events. This would make a better post of talking about something, then having people get the information for you. I find this behaviour rather stupid, but I since kids today cannot think for themselves, I guess we have to give them a break or whatever it is called today. ::)Genius. This is the type of detail and tone I was looking for regarding the dump.
Nothing is leaked. Some guy had the boards and started to make a big issue about it, and to be fair if a game craps out in a test market and gets canned, well everyone wants it even more.
We have a wonderful guy who dumps the boards, then sells them on after getting financial and physical donations, called the Guru. The Mame devs, by some divine intervention, then take this dump and work it into the Mame core to get it working. After that the ROM mysteriously appears on the internet by some unbelievable act of God. Then the Guru sells the boards on once the dump is "documented". The whole process is a religious experience from start to finish.
Unfortunately the Guru needs to keep the boards in a secure location to give the Mame project some legitimacy, as the process to get the game working requires some security cracking which is against the DMCA.
Since this is the case, it puts the efforts of the project into the legal dark grey area as they do not own the boards for their preservation status and the exception to the DMCA provision, as required to succeed. Still with me?
So it is like buying wii games from Gamestop, dumping all your bought and donated Wii games to a hard disk, sharing them on the internet, and then selling the bought discs back to GameStop. Something tells me that is not a legal gray area..
What it does allow, legally, (IMO) is to repair or provide a platform for rom owners of said copyright content to use the Mame software for commercial purposes for free, in theory.
So in the future can you please just follow a less preachy format like this when you ask questions about drama on the interwebs. Thanks. :cheers:
To be fair, I did check all the usual places for the release background, but maybe I missed it. I found it odd to see the release mentioned in the new issue of retro gamer magazine before seeing a flame war on why it should or should not be released, etc.
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Except it's 100% ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- and trolling, as you always get from ark
All Guru is doing these days is stealing things from other places then trying to get credited for them. He was caught red handed here.
https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/4748ba43c61e4e0ede3fbba4169d678c95378cad#diff-d3f97980cb46bdd23dd184695ed808ac
This Sonic thing was basically stolen direct from the copyright holder (a Sega employee) through a series of deceptive acts, with Guru trying to take final credit for that even if he wasn't actually involved in the earlier deception. Had he been, Sega was ready to sue him, I'd already been asked by somebody connected to Sega what my role in it was since my name is credited in the C2 driver, of course, I had no role, it was a driver I wrote ages ago on which many other titles run (which in turn was based on my MegaDrive emulation)
Instead it was dealt with internally and people lost their jobs over it. It's massively damaged MAME's Japanese contacts again tho because it's made emulation look evil to them again, so expect a lot less random rare Japanese arcade-related things over the next few years. We'd only just repaired the reputation with the Japanese arcade scene after Guru basically destroyed it before by promising people decaps that he couldn't deliver on, getting them to send rare chips, and giving nothing back rather than being honest about the risks. Other people connected with the project ended up spending thousands of dollars finding a method that did actually work, and repairing the damage that time.
There were constant claims by people in the arcade scene that he was ripping them off and scamming them too, selling 'working' boards that had critical chips missing and couldn't ever have worked in the state they were sold in etc. (eg. ones where the chips had been removed for said decapping) and it's at the stage where nobody in a professional capacity will work with him.
Post by: bigster on March 01, 2019, 10:39:59 am
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