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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: rlemmon on November 19, 2018, 05:19:58 am
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So I've been doing research on a mame project i want to do. One of the side art dealers site said you should not apply sideart over cabinets painted with latex due to outgassing. They recommend oil based which is very expensive here. It made me think back to a cab i did years ago. It was painted with black latex paint and a month down the road one of the pieces of sideart fell on the floor. I replaced it and the second one stayed. Any thoughts. Mabey staining with a coat of poly is the way to go.
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Whoever told you that is totally wrong. Outgassing occurs when VOCs leave the paint as it drys. Latex and other waterbased paints now are very low to 0 VOCs. There is really no outgassing that can occur. Once waterbased paint is dry it's dry. I work for Sherwin Williams so that info is sound. Also I have done my fair share of vinyl applications on arcade cabs.
Oil paint funny enough never dries. It's molecules slowly shrink as it dries and eventually 10-20 years later you will see the product start to crack and Alligator.
So go ahead and use a good waterbased coating. for side art I find a good waterbased semigloss enamel works great.
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Whoever told you that is totally wrong. Outgassing occurs when VOCs leave the paint as it drys. Latex and other waterbased paints now are very low to 0 VOCs. There is really no outgassing that can occur. Once waterbased paint is dry it's dry. I work for Sherwin Williams so that info is sound. Also I have done my fair share of vinyl applications on arcade cabs.
Oil paint funny enough never dries. It's molecules slowly shrink as it dries and eventually 10-20 years later you will see the product start to crack and Alligator.
So go ahead and use a good waterbased coating. for side art I find a good waterbased semigloss enamel works great.
Good info - Also good quality sideart will be printed on air release vinyl that has tiny holes that let air/gas pass through it. The art falling off was probably more a lack of cleaning and prepping the surface properly before applying it.
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What Ian said. I've put vinyl over latex a ton of times without issue.
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Honestly I've never heard of someone using oil-based paint on a cab.
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Honestly I've never heard of someone using oil-based paint on a cab.
I've used it to seal out some pesky glue residue and some wood grain also it works well direct to wood without a primer. Probably the only good thing about Oil Based paints really. If you have the time though Waterbased paints now out perform oil based paints in longevity and ease of use for sure. Good tip for homeowners, waterbased for longevity, but problem areas may require oil.
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Thanks for the help everyone! :applaud: Gloss black It is!
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Thanks for the help everyone! :applaud: Gloss black It is!
If you are going gloss back, tint your primer gray and get a prepackaged black, not one that needs to be tinted. Save you a ton of time and only one to two coats.
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Honestly I've never heard of someone using oil-based paint on a cab.
Isn't Rustoleum typically oil/enamel? I always thought it was more durable then latex; but takes a lot longer to "dry".
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Honestly I've never heard of someone using oil-based paint on a cab.
Isn't Rustoleum typically oil/enamel? I always thought it was more durable then latex; but takes a lot longer to "dry".
Depends on where you are located - IIRC in CA oil based paints are no longer available for purchase ( THink it was outlawed about 10 years ago unless things have changed )
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Thanks for the help everyone! :applaud: Gloss black It is!
If you are going gloss back, tint your primer gray and get a prepackaged black, not one that needs to be tinted. Save you a ton of time and only one to two coats.
Thanks. will do!
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Honestly I've never heard of someone using oil-based paint on a cab.
Isn't Rustoleum typically oil/enamel? I always thought it was more durable then latex; but takes a lot longer to "dry".
Depends on where you are located - IIRC in CA oil based paints are no longer available for purchase ( THink it was outlawed about 10 years ago unless things have changed )
There are a ton of VOC restrictions now in a few states. In Wisconsin we can still get all the Oil based paint we want, however in Illinois they can only buy certain oil based products in quarts. But larger gallon and 5 gallon buckets I believe are no longer available. Unless it is a specific commercial job.
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If I'm not mistaken, most spray paints are various synthetic blends, so even if it's "oil paint" there's more in it than oil, thus it changes the properties of the paint. At least that's how it was explained to me.
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If I'm not mistaken, most spray paints are various synthetic blends, so even if it's "oil paint" there's more in it than oil, thus it changes the properties of the paint. At least that's how it was explained to me.
That's interesting. I have not heard that. I think Spray Paint has such a small amount of paint that they can be sold in some VOC restricted states like Illinois. So the stuff we make and sell is oil, and in Illinois it is oil. But California? That is totally possible!
We do a lot with Acrylic Alkyd Hybrids. Essentially oil resins suspended in water molecules. So clean up is still soap and water instead of paint thinner, and dry time is similar to waterbased paints (but a bit longer). However once the water evaporates what you have left are the oil resins that behave like an oil paint behaves. Cool technology! So the drytime for waterbased products can be anywhere from 15 mintues to an hour. Recoat is usually 4 hours. With a hybrid, dry time usually is around 2 hours. Which is kind of cool because it allows the paint to level out (as the water evaporates and the oil resins start doing their thing) and come out looking as smooth as glass.
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If I'm not mistaken, most spray paints are various synthetic blends, so even if it's "oil paint" there's more in it than oil, thus it changes the properties of the paint. At least that's how it was explained to me.
That's interesting. I have not heard that. I think Spray Paint has such a small amount of paint that they can be sold in some VOC restricted states like Illinois. So the stuff we make and sell is oil, and in Illinois it is oil. But California? That is totally possible!
Well now I'm curious. The info I got was from a relative that used to work at Dupont, so they could have just been talking out of their butt. I'm going to check the ingredients list next time I buy paint and see what is sold here. This is WV, so if it's good enough for Illinois I've got to think it'd be good enough for a state full of climate change deniers.