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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: ChurchOfSolipsism on April 29, 2017, 06:46:26 am
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Didn't know where else to put this thread, so I apologize if it's in the wrong section.
Recently bought a small PC for a mini cocktail project, but since the cab will be very small I'm afraid of it overheating if I don't install additional fans. Checked out the PC's motherboard, can't find any more connectors for additional fans.
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Can I plug fans into any of the other connectors on the PCB?
I know there are USB-powered fans but...
a) USB provides insufficient juice and so, according to all I've read, USB fans' cooling effect might be negligible
b) I'd like to install at least two fans - these will take up two USB ports, but I only have four available and three will be taken up by two joystick encoders and USB-powered speakers. I'm also toying with the idea of installing an RGB LED strip underneath the cab...
Now I could also put a USB hub into the cab, but I'd rather not do so since I'm running out of space...
Ideas/ tips?
Thanks for the help fellas!
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Use a multimeter to find more +5v traces, but if you cannot add a mini powered hub due to space, where are thing of placing more fans?
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Use a multimeter to find more +5v traces, but if you cannot add a mini powered hub due to space, where are thing of placing more fans?
Right, will do. 5V is what USB offers though, isn't it? My goal was to connect the fans to the mobo in a way that gives them 12V...
Re: the powered hub & space constraints, I would have put small fans (80mm) into the bottom board of the cab. A powered hub also needs access to a socket... the cab I'm building will have less space than what the average shoebox offers!
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Just run them straight off the PSU.
Problem solved :D
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+1 for what tichgamer says
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Yep, off molex :)
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Just run them straight off the PSU.
Problem solved :D
Cheers for the tip mate, but the mini PC I'm using doesn't have one of those humongous PSUs that you put into PC cases but instead has an external psu/ power brick; here's a pic of the innards (of the PC) if that helps:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n105/ChurchOfSolipsism/DSC03114.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/ChurchOfSolipsism/media/DSC03114.jpg.html)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n105/ChurchOfSolipsism/DSC03116.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/ChurchOfSolipsism/media/DSC03116.jpg.html)
These uncommon mini PCs sure look great for the more unconventional arcade project, but once you try to make them work things don't look so easy anymore. Case in point: the PC has DVI and S-Video output, but no VGA... first world problems!! :D
Btw, is there a good tutorial somewhere on this board on how to guerilla-power screens and other devices from a PC's PSU? I've got other projects waiting to be finished where I'm using "proper" PCs...
One last thing: do you guys think I should even bother to put in USB-powered fans?
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What psu is it? Got some pics of it and the rating plate?
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What psu is it? Got some pics of it and the rating plate?
Here ya go:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n105/ChurchOfSolipsism/DSC03121.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/ChurchOfSolipsism/media/DSC03121.jpg.html)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n105/ChurchOfSolipsism/DSC03119.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/ChurchOfSolipsism/media/DSC03119.jpg.html)
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
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Looks like a laptop mobo, or at least a small form factor PC. As such, it's designed to operate in a confined space, so may not need another fan. Just soak test it in situ for a while, running Core Temp to keep an eye on temps.
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Looks like a laptop mobo, or at least a small form factor PC. As such, it's designed to operate in a confined space, so may not need another fan. Just soak test it in situ for a while, running Core Temp to keep an eye on temps.
I wouldn't mind at all not having to spend money on fans and dealing with the hassle of installing them! I think I'll go with this suggestion... of course, I'll put lots of holes into the cab's base; hopefully they'll be enough for getting cooler air in there. I'll report back in a year or two when I finished the cab ;D :'(
You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Thanks for the tip, but I'm afraid putting a transformer or a PSU into the tiny cab I'm building is out of the question... it just won't fit. If it turns out the cab needs fans I'll start tinkering with resistors or somesuch, I guess.
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Well resistors wont help you much but you can get some very small 12v transformers :p
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Well resistors wont help you much but you can get some very small 12v transformers :p
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/102011/1319738930_homer_simpson_hides_in_hedge.gif)
right guys, thanks for the help as usual!
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If it turns out the cab needs fans I'll start tinkering with resistors or somesuch, I guess.
So maybe something like this (https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Noise-Reduction-Cable-Cooling/dp/B007PPHKO2/)?
Not sure if that exact cable/resistor is right for your application since one review mentions that the resistor gets pretty hot.
There's also some info here (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/voltage-divider-not-working-for-fan.875917/) that might be useful.
Scott
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
I have a similar ITX case but mine has a 60w psu inside and it does get toasty. Just don't skimp on the fans.
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
Nope, Electrical contractor ;)
Chances of damaging again would be slim unless you over load it. Biggest problem is its a odd voltage.
Hence why I said would be better getting a 12v or jamma psu.
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Just checked out of curiosity, you can get a 19v fan if needed but still better off with 12v transformer.
Less chances of overloading it etc.
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Again, thanks for the help. I'll see if it works without any additional fans. If not, I can still get a bunch of 5V-fans... honestly. I'd rather not hack stuff if I can help it, not because I'm afraid (my soldering skills are decent I'd say) but for once I'd just like to use an (almost) plug and play solution... built a supergun once, it drove me almost insane.
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
Nope, Electrical contractor ;)
Is your indemnity insurance pretty high? ;)
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
Nope, Electrical contractor ;)
Is your indemnity insurance pretty high? ;)
God knows ude have to ask the boss ;)
You working for an insurance company though? Trying to sell some?
Or is it just copywrite infringement cases you focus on? ;)
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from fans to the god of thunder
lord ark take another med
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
Nope, Electrical contractor ;)
Is your indemnity insurance pretty high? ;)
God knows you would have to ask the boss ;)
You working for an insurance company though? Trying to sell some?
Or is it just copyright infringement cases you focus on? ;)
FTFY
I'm a good middle man - I can put you in touch with a reputable UK company with good rates. I don't know about copyright insurance, but I bet there is a policy for anything these days, just ask Apple.
Here is a good starting point: https://www.apple.com/legal/contact/ (https://www.apple.com/legal/contact/) Ask them. :P
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
Nope, Electrical contractor ;)
Is your indemnity insurance pretty high? ;)
God knows you would have to ask the boss ;)
You working for an insurance company though? Trying to sell some?
Or is it just copyright infringement cases you focus on? ;)
FTFY
I'm a good middle man - I can put you in touch with a reputable UK company with good rates. I don't know about copyright insurance, but I bet there is a policy for anything these days, just ask Apple.
Here is a good starting point: https://www.apple.com/legal/contact/ (https://www.apple.com/legal/contact/) Ask them. :P
I need me some hot red heads to if you know a man who can hook me up? ;)
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couple things I've found. Just have a look to see what suits your needs size wise.
https://www.banggood.com/Mini-120W-Switching-Power-Supply-85-265V-to-12V-10A-for-LED-Strip-Light-p-1019136.html?utm_design=39&utm_source=emarsys&utm_medium=Mail_mid110_email&utm_campaign=newsletter-emarsys&utm_content=misue&sc_src=email_2357314&sc_eh=23dfb7ab510f91321&sc_llid=2435&sc_lid=95189737&sc_uid=mV6wXB2reJ (https://www.banggood.com/Mini-120W-Switching-Power-Supply-85-265V-to-12V-10A-for-LED-Strip-Light-p-1019136.html?utm_design=39&utm_source=emarsys&utm_medium=Mail_mid110_email&utm_campaign=newsletter-emarsys&utm_content=misue&sc_src=email_2357314&sc_eh=23dfb7ab510f91321&sc_llid=2435&sc_lid=95189737&sc_uid=mV6wXB2reJ)
if you need space because its tight inside your build, leave this outside and simply put the cord inside and connect what you need off of a 12v molex splitterhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-DC-500mA-12V-Power-Adapter-4-Pin-Molex-Connector-AC-to-DC-12-Volt-Computer-/121938652403?hash=item1c641c2cf3:g:dAgAAMXQfvlSgQi5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-DC-500mA-12V-Power-Adapter-4-Pin-Molex-Connector-AC-to-DC-12-Volt-Computer-/121938652403?hash=item1c641c2cf3:g:dAgAAMXQfvlSgQi5)
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You could still still use that PSU by hacking into the output but you would be running the fans over voltage at 19v which may or may not kill em, Or under voltage if you use 24v ones, Not sure if you can get 20v fans??.
But what I would sugest is getting yourself a 12v transformer or a Jamma PSU or even a standard atx PSU and use that to run your fans and any other 12v stuff you stick in your cab You can power it from the same supply as your PC.
Hacking the external brick? Are you out of your mind? Why don't you go over to his house and torch it. It is the same daft thought process. :dizzy:
Find the 5v traces on the mobo and get some of these fans:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAASV4ZW0211&cm_re=5v_120mm_fan-_-9SIAASV4ZW0211-_-Product)
They are cheap, give good airflow and will not damage your board. Looks like there should be plenty of 5v points on that board. How is your soldering?
Done it a million and 1 times and its perfectly safe if done properly.
Chance of burning the house down with 12v is pretty damn small though!
Just to clarify though cut into the output cable and joint it in a enclosure not the actual brick obviously....
Bad idea. You could damage the brick and the whole mobo, which could lead to a fire. Really bad advice. Do you work for an insurance firm by any chance, like AXA? ::)
Nope, Electrical contractor ;)
Is your indemnity insurance pretty high? ;)
God knows you would have to ask the boss ;)
You working for an insurance company though? Trying to sell some?
Or is it just copyright infringement cases you focus on? ;)
FTFY
I'm a good middle man - I can put you in touch with a reputable UK company with good rates. I don't know about copyright insurance, but I bet there is a policy for anything these days, just ask Apple.
Here is a good starting point: https://www.apple.com/legal/contact/ (https://www.apple.com/legal/contact/) Ask them. :P
I need me some hot red heads to if you know a man who can hook me up? ;)
Sorry you will have to find your own blokes. Try a pub in Llanddewi Brefi. :laugh2:
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I was thinking something more like this Ark ^
But ya know I aint here to judge if thats the way ure inclined.
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I was thinking something more like this Ark ^
But ya know I aint here to judge if thats the way ure inclined.
No. I thought you were a girl. Your avatar and posts make the impression. Nice picture but she is not a redhead. So keep looking.
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taste is in the eye of the beholder..remeber lord ark ?
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I was thinking something more like this Ark ^
But ya know I aint here to judge if thats the way ure inclined.
No. I thought you were a girl. Your avatar and posts make the impression. Nice picture but she is not a redhead. So keep looking.
I think you may be what the kids call "sexually confused" these days.
Something wrong with you Radar/Gaydar if you think I am female! :o
But no shes not a Red head, thats why I am looking for one, To complete my entourage ;)
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Not at all.
I call my sister Tich as it is short for Theresa.
http://www.gpeters.com/names/baby-names.php?name=Titch (http://www.gpeters.com/names/baby-names.php?name=Titch)
The way you post is like a girl would.
You like to post pictures of cute animals like a girl would do.
I think it is you who is confused, and it is totally cool with me whatever you want to be
I think the picture you posted would be exactly how a girl would respond.
So clearly you are not a girl, so it is OK. My mistake. :angel:
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taste is in the eye of the beholder..remeber lord ark ?
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I would make an uncouth retort but ladies could be reading this.
I think you got that slightly wrong, my friend. I like your salutation, so you are forgiven. ;D
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Its ok Ark, you dont need to be in denial on here.
We are all un judgemental right!?
Not sure about the cute animal pic things though :s
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lord ark u slay me :laugh2: :laugh2:
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The way you post is like a girl would.
I can't even.
:dunno
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The way you post is like a girl would.
I can't even.
:dunno
Glad its not just me LOL
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