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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: ChanceKJ on February 16, 2016, 03:36:03 pm
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Can anyone else not stand the smell of simple green?
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I know how to wash. How do you arcade monitor?
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Can anyone else not stand the smell of simple green?
Yeah, Best not to use it in an enclosed space.
I know how to wash. How do you arcade monitor?
Quite you :P I put some of the dog in the video for your enjoyment Paul.
Still ain't gonna watch it! Post photos of Fluffy!
I've seen a monitor washed in real life like 4 years ago. Arcadenut left the chassis out in the Arizona sun. It was dry in less than an hour.
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Can anyone else not stand the smell of simple green?
I used to hate the smell of the stuff....
However, I've used it so much now on my DK restore that I'm becoming strangely accustomed addicted to it.
I don't huff it. ::)
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Can anyone else not stand the smell of simple green?
I used to hate the smell of the stuff....
However, I've used it so much now on my DK restored that I'm becoming strangely accustomed addicted to it.
I don't huff it. ::)
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Dumb question, but are you not worried about water getting down where the annode attaches or inside non-sealed components such as pots?
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I know how to wash. How do you arcade monitor?
I don't think Chance gets it.
Pretty sure Xiaou2 can tell you how to arcade monitor.
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I know how to wash. How do you arcade monitor?
I don't think Chance gets it.
Pretty sure Xiaou2 can tell you how to arcade monitor.
I agree, I think Chance missed the joke here. Silly little grammar hiccups like that just make my brain stutter.
Dumb question, but are you not worried about water getting down where the annode attaches or inside non-sealed components such as pots?
Good question, I've wondered about this myself.
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As long as everything properly dries out, it's fine. Like I said, I saw this done years ago here in like September, and everything dried out quickly. Once all the water is gone, there's no issue.
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Also I think him saying "Quite you :)" means he got it. Still He could have changed the title.
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Arcade Monitor
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I don't know... Still seems to me that you'd wanna plug the anode hole so no water got down inside the tube.
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Arcade Monitor
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In the act of arcade monitoring. That's how you arcade monitor!
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Why would a NASA astronaut care if you have food or drink near an arcade machine?
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In the act of arcade monitoring. That's how you arcade monitor!
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I don't know... Still seems to me that you'd wanna plug the anode hole so no water got down inside the tube.
If I'm not mistaken, the anode hole doesn't actually lead into the tube...
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In my experience they are just small divots with a lip for the clip on the cup to attach too.
Did not know that. Cool.
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Nope, not a problem. The air and the heat get out any standing water. Its important to reposition the thing and spray again if you cant let it bake in the sun, hell even if you can, its just a good idea.
I've now done this a half dozen times across a number of monitor brands and i've yet to see an anode hole that goes anywhere. In my experience they are just small divots with a lip for the clip on the cup to attach too. It's not like you're gonna fall down into Narnia if you get too close to the edge.
Well, that's why I said "dumb question" because I just wasn't sure. Regardless of your success, I'd still be terrified to spray down my 20EZ. Not doubting you at all, I just have the feeling that I would be the one time somebody up above would want to make an excuse out of somebody. It definitely makes it much more "prettier" to look at.
Btw, love the videos of your escapades. I subscribed a couple weeks ago.
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There are no dumb questions when it comes to this stuff.
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Pointless and may screw up the chassis. Awesome.
Why not stick it in the dishwasher?
Cute dog.
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Thx for the video Chance :)
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from someone completely lacking in the monitor/tv knowledge... this video just blew my mind. washing the inside of a tv..crazy
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One of the fastest and safest way to clean these boards, is Electronic cleaner. It eat the gunk, then evaporates.
You can get the stuff at Automotive shops in large spray cans. I think the stuff I used to get at Radio Shack was stronger.. but it was also more expensive too.
Place the extender tube on the cans nozzle ... hold the circuit board 90 degrees (or at least tilt the assembly / monitor fairly well)
, and spray heavily... allowing the excess liquid to fall off the board (maybe best to hover over a trash can or something). The fluid will losen and carry away most of the gunk in seconds.. and carry it right off the board.. leaving it looking like brand new.
However, If stuff is really stuck on heavy, I sometimes may use some art paint brushes with the process. Spray more mildly, and then immediately use the brush to gently scrub the chip legs, components, and board. Repeat the mass spray technique to 'rinse' the remained off.
Medium round and or med/large fan brushes, work very good for getting in small places... and believe it or not, since the cleaner works so well in loosening the stuff up... you can clean the board quite fast, despite the small size of the brushes used. Do not use large 1" style house paint brushes, unless there are wide open areas. The smaller brushes will be more firm, yet also more precise.
One can could probably do 4 machines worth of PCB cleaning.
Even though the stuff is supposed to be non conductive, and it evaporates REALLY quickly... I still place the boards in front of a box fan for a while. If its a small board, with limited components.. then maybe 15 min is more than fine. However, for my larger board stacks... I didnt want to take any chances, and left them overnight under the fan. Sometimes moisture can get trapped under components.
Older PCBs are quite durable... with thick traces, and high quality. Water and spray cleaner could be used to clean PCBs as long as they are cleaned and dried very well... but, I personally do not trust doing this.
If I were in jam, and didnt have Electronic cleaner.. I might grab a bottle of +90% rubbing alcohol, and pop it in a misting spray bottle. Its not quite as effective as the EC.. but its decent, and it will dry Much faster than pure water.
I swear though, that Electronic Cleaner makes me all sorts of happy. Ive made +20 yr old boards look like they just came off the assembly line, in a mere 5 min of effort. Quite amazing, and very satisfying.
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Ok, watched the Vid.
Just a few things Id warn against...
1) I would not trust grounding the monitor to the Chaise. Sometimes cabinets grounding can get messed up, due to:
a) someone cutting a grounding strap
b) the strap is there.. but its not making good connection, because it was screwed onto a painted / dirty surface.
c) the grounding strip might come lose somewhere.
d) the plug itself could have a pinched ground, and or the grounding pin could possibly be disconnect / broken or may break in the worst time.
But most realistically, and dangerously:
e) you could still end up getting a massive Zap, from accidentally touching the Chaise when you are trying to Discharge the Tube.
f) even if you are skilled, someone or Something.. could potentially bump into you.. to cause "E".
I personally recall making a loop over the ground pin of the cord... and or alligatored it into a ground socket somehow.
Even going so far as to Duct tape everything in place.
The other end wrapped around the flat head screwdriver several times... and again, taped Tightly to the driver.
Wear rubber gloves for extra added protection. And always wear rubber bottom shoes to insulate from the ground / water / moisture.
2) I think Id put a LOT more "WARNING" into the vid about Discharging a monitor. At very least, to say, "IT CAN KILL YOU!"
I got tired of taking a tube rejuvinater off and on a Cruisn USA. After like the 3rd or 5th time... I pretty much got careless.
I had just started to plug the thing in, when I realized Id forgot something... and quickly yanked the plug out, in what I felt was a millisecond. Somehow foolishly thinking that the tube wouldnt have had the time to really charge up much, in so brief a time-frame.
WRONG. I got my finger too close to the Glory Hole... and she reached out and Touched me... Hardcore.
I was about 2 ft away from the wall when I was working on the machine... and my body violently flew back into the wall as if I was hit by a linebacker. My elbow hit extremely hard, and nearly shattered from the impact. My finger had a soot black charred spot on it.. and smelt of smoke. My whole body, Chest, and arm was aching in internal pains, for quite some time. I was luck actually, because a fraction of a second longer.. and that tube would have have 10x the charge, that it Zapped me with.
The spark jumped probably 1 to 1.5" to bit at my finger.
Its no Joke.
3) Im not sure how that annode hole looks from the Internal end of things... but Im not so sure Id want anything getting inside of it.. such as water. Id probably recommend covering it, it you were going to completely hose it down.
4) When you removed the monitor... you should wear gloves. That thing could still regain a good charge when just sitting idle.. even after many discharges previously. State it.. and straddle your hands away from that hole, where theres no chance for a "Jump".
Furthermore, it should be stressed how fragile the glass neck is... and that if anything hits that neckboard, your probably going to crack the tubes neck... making it completely worthless / un-repairable. Also, that care should be taken to avoid the necks 'side-dials', do not get bumped out of place.. least you never can get the tube properly dialed in again.
5) Finally... You also should note, that CAPs on some of those CRT boards could potentially carry a large charge. Some can hold a charge for a Very long time. And some of these caps can be lethal. Spraying the boards with conductive liquid might not be the best plan. But beyond the boards health, ... might be someone else's accidental discharge.
I guess I will add one one thing... that Tub wasnt exactly Stable... and that monitor could have easily took a dive. Either from a freak wind gust, a random flying sport ball / frisbee, an accidental trip / slip of the foot, and heck.. even that darn thin tub folding or cracking.
Its your money... and your chance.
I just ran into Murphy too many times in my life, so I just thought Id post my .02 worth
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One last thing... I would NOT recommend this method on anything Modern... such as boards with surface mount chips, tiny traces, (typical PC motherboard type) etc.
The Modern boards / components are way too sensitive. Just the smallest of static discharges, let alone a cap discharge (or a stray moisture short).. can cause a major problem (maybe instant PCB death)... and or a problem that gets worse and worse over time.
Also, dont forget, that may connector pins are not treated with any anti-corrosion coating... so if something isnt dried well and quick, even the older stuff can get problematic in this area... when using plain old soap and water for the cleaning solution.
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I don't know... Still seems to me that you'd wanna plug the anode hole so no water got down inside the tube.
If I'm not mistaken, the anode hole doesn't actually lead into the tube...
As tubes are vacuum sealed, it's impossible for the anode hole to lead into the tube - else there'd be no vacuum. Pretty sure there's just a metal contact inside the lip of the hole, that leads into the tube, but is sealed by the glass.
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I would have to agree with X/2, discharging a tube can be a downright ugly prospect should you come across a faulty one, Jennifer actually blew a filling out of her tooth one day, bad stuff man, Wearing shoes would be my next observation, drop that on your foot and you probably wish you had, Setting it on a rickety laundry basket was about the most DUMBEST thing I have ever seen anybody do, obviously you have never broke one, or you would know they shatter, Implode under vacuum then explode (safety glasses should be pointed out here).
Washing a monitor serves no real purpose other than to dry the glue off the back of those labels, so they eventually fall off, leaving you with a random lableless no name monitor, (and possibly fuzzy warm feeling because you got a clean monitor?) IMO, This video should be removed from the internets before someone gets hurt... And finally LOVE THE PUPPY (even though he is a Canadian).
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WRONG. I got my finger too close to the Glory Hole... and she reached out and Touched me... Hardcore
Can I steal this for my letter to Penthouse?
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WRONG. I got my finger too close to the Glory Hole... and she reached out and Touched me... Hardcore.
Can I steal this for my letter to Penthouse?
* Jenn strikes a pose, and blows a kiss *... of course you may honey. :P
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As tubes are vacuum sealed, it's impossible for the anode hole to lead into the tube - else there'd be no vacuum. Pretty sure there's just a metal contact inside the lip of the hole, that leads into the tube, but is sealed by the glass.
Yup. This. I mention it in my videos, but it will do no harm if water gets in there since it's vacuum sealed. Just make sure you let it completely dry before re-attaching the anode clip.
Video link of me washing my G-07: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fatjgzhLo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fatjgzhLo)
Video link of me washing my Sanyo 20-EZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZR6XV1ta4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZR6XV1ta4w)
DeLuSioNaL29
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Anyone else have any videos they want to share? I might have an old one of me washing my dog. :cheers:
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Anyone else have any videos they want to share? I might have an old one of me washing my dog. :cheers:
I may have a couple, (*cough, blush).... But I may not be wearing any shoes in them either. >:D >:D >:D
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I just solved the Rubik's cube in 39 seconds, I could get a video of that up for ya...
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Anyone else have any videos they want to share? I might have an old one of me washing my dog. :cheers:
I may have a couple, (*cough, blush).... But I may not be wearing any shoes in them either. >:D >:D >:D
I saw your tent photo... post 'em if you got 'em.
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/me was intrigued by Jenn's post, so went and watched the video.
/me is really irked that Chance put him in a position where he is forced to agree with Xiaou2
That tub is a horrendously inappropriate choice to rest that monitor on.
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**SO EMBARASSED**... lucky I didn't get kicked out for that. 8)...**SO EMBARASSED
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$5 to anyone that can provide an obituary from someone that actually died from discharging an arcade monitor.
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$5 to anyone that can provide an obituary from someone that actually died from discharging an arcade monitor.
There are worse things than death, Stabbing yourself in the face with a screwdriver for example.
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Upon further research, it seems the articles point out that death would be highly unlikely.
However, it is very painful... and much similar to what Jen said... the effects of your muscles jolting out of control.. could do damages, and or your flying body could impale itself on something.
There are more warnings about electrocution to do with the CRTs power supply caps (flyback?), I believe.
Still, having tasted a nice Jolt myself, and nearly shattering my elbow against the wall... Id still put a good warning up about the potential dangers.
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Interesting articles on the subject:
http://lowendmac.com/2007/the-truth-about-crts-and-shock-danger/ (http://lowendmac.com/2007/the-truth-about-crts-and-shock-danger/)
http://www.h-i-r.net/2009/12/flyback-transformers-and-crt-discharge.html (http://www.h-i-r.net/2009/12/flyback-transformers-and-crt-discharge.html)
Closest thing to a CRT related death I could find:
http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=14676 (http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=14676)
(Suicide due to nerve damages? done via CRT arc. He was in unbearable daily pains, if whats said is accurate)
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Meh, I just have this guy discharge all my stuff:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pmfr5CGDKY
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Meh, I just have this guy discharge all my stuff:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pmfr5CGDKY
Hear that, vwbus... DeL likes to have a guy discharge his stuff..
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Meh, I just have this guy discharge all my stuff:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pmfr5CGDKY
Here that, vwbus... DeL likes to have a guy discharge his stuff..
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Oh my god, that's so brutal I can't stop watching!
This one is pure gold.
https://youtu.be/_Pmfr5CGDKY?t=8m35s
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Would I need to worry about hard water leaving deposits that could cause a short? My town has well water and it is super hard. I have a softener but only to the inside of the house. Should I use the soft water or not worry about it? Thanks.
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Would I need to worry about hard water leaving deposits that could cause a short? My town has well water and it is super hard. I have a softener but only to the inside of the house. Should I use the soft water or not worry about it? Thanks.
Ask yourself, what do I gain by washing this. If you're worried about your water, don't wash it.
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$5 to anyone that can provide an obituary from someone that actually died from discharging an arcade monitor.
I have been zapped by a non discharged tube multiple times. It's not a big deal but it will piss you off. It's like the worst static shock you've ever gotten when you friend slid their feet on the floor and snuck up behind you and zapped you. BTW tubes can collect a charge after being discharged just by sitting on your shelf.
I have been zapped by a non discharged G07 filter cap. That one is scary and sucks balls and is worse than #1.
I have accidentally bumped my hand into the leads on the yoke while adjusting convergence. That one scared me and left me with burns and is worse than #2.
I once got nailed when adjusting a K4600 without the protective cardboard on the neck board. That one made every muscle in my body contract and also left the smell of burning hair wafting throughout the house. That was bad enough to make me stop for the day.
I'm not dead yet. Maybe stupid. But not dead.
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from someone completely lacking in the monitor/tv knowledge... this video just blew my mind. washing the inside of a tv..crazy
Yeah, I think there is this common fallacy that getting water on your electronics will ruin them.
Well, yes, and no.
Let's say you spill some soda on your phone or laptop, keys are all sticky, soda has leaked down on the motherboard, etc, etc.... ruined right??
Not always. You can (and I have), always tear it apart and wash the motherboard to get the gunk off of it. Now, if you dare do this, you will of course, want to remove the CMOS/BIOS battery so you have no electricity from any source pulsing through it. Electricity and water = bad (as any idiot should know). But take away that juice, what do you have?? Just a bunch of soldered circuits and stuff. Washing a motherboard/cell phone (MONITOR) should ALWAYS be a last resort and not a common practice. But then, the way I see it... if you spilled crap on it in the first place and it ain't working, then you really have nothing to lose but a little time and effort to try and revitalize it with a good washing. And OF COURSE you are gonna want to blow dry it REAL REAL good, and let it set for a couple days for good measure. NOT a smart idea to try and rush these types of things.
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If it works, you can't see it, and messing with it risks breaking it, why clean it?
Other argument I've heard is that water can seep into the components on the board.
I'll clean boards occasionally but I've always done it with gasoline or lighter fluid.
Do what thou wilt.
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If it works, you can't see it, and messing with it risks breaking it, why clean it?
Other argument I've heard is that water can seep into the components on the board.
I'll clean boards occasionally but I've always done it with gasoline or lighter fluid.
Do what thou wilt.
Other than a light scrubbing of a monitor chassis with a soft toothbrush I picked up for a buck, I don't wash them either. I've seen it done and I know it can be done, but I've never had a necessary reason to do so.
If you decide to do this, folks, LET. IT. DRY.
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Yep. 99% of the time, in regards to monitors, it's just dust.
I could see stuff getting spilled on a game PCB because of where they are usually mounted, but a monitor chassis? You'd have to really try hard to spill stuff on that.
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If I pull a monitor out, I'll usually wipe the tube and frame down. If I work on the chassis and it's gunky, I'll clean it up with whatever I have on hand that works (rubbing alcohol, flux remover, electronics cleaner, degreaser) and a small paintbrush or toothbrush.
I don't have an objection to people who like the insides of their machines to sparkle, I'm just not one of them.
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Reasons to wash a monitor:
- A clean monitor and chassis reduces the risk of shorting components and reduces a potential fire hazard
- If you're troubleshooting it's easier to see spot potential issues
- If you're repairing it (cap kit etc.) you don't get crap all over yourself
- It looks better
- It smells better
- The risk of damage (if done right) is extremely small
- It's the opposite of what pbj would do
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Reasons to wash a monitor:
- A clean monitor and chassis reduces the risk of shorting components and reduces a potential fire hazard
- If you're troubleshooting it's easier to see spot potential issues
- If you're repairing it (cap kit etc.) you don't get crap all over yourself
- It looks better
- It smells better
- The risk of damage (if done right) is extremely small
- It's the opposite of what pbj would do
All valid reasons... However wipe with Foaming glass cleaner, and rinse with contact cleaner is less intrusive and requires hours of dry time as opposed to days.
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Reasons to wash a monitor:
- A clean monitor and chassis reduces the risk of shorting components and reduces a potential fire hazard
- If you're troubleshooting it's easier to see spot potential issues
- If you're repairing it (cap kit etc.) you don't get crap all over yourself
- It looks better
- It smells better
- The risk of damage (if done right) is extremely small
- It's the opposite of what pbj would do
I agree with every one of the above. Especially if you are going to cap it just wash the chassis while it is out of the frame. This will give you room to wipe the tube and frame down but carefully so you don't move the rings or yoke. It's so much nicer to work on them when they're clean and easier to see where problems may lie. I've been told that the dirt dust and gunk built up on them can also become electrically conductive and cause shorts. I don't know if that's true or not. But it certainly would help your components to run a little cooler. My experience has also been that the monitor is a large source of stench in a smell cabinet. That and the wiring harnesses tend to really hold the odors. I've had cabinets I thought I was going to have to burn due the smell come out nice after washing the monitor and wiring harness.
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It's the opposite of what pbj would do
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Yep. 99% of the time, in regards to monitors, it's just dust.
I could see stuff getting spilled on a game PCB because of where they are usually mounted, but a monitor chassis? You'd have to really try hard to spill stuff on that.
Uhh, thats exactly what we are talking about.
Electronics Cleaners is DESIGNED to clean Electronics, which Includes Game Boards, or any PCB board of any kind.
It dries quickly, (in mere seconds to minutes... depending on how much is used at once) unlike the water hose solution... which takes several Days.
I'm AGREEING with you, Toe Stab. I'm saying most of the time on monitor chassises, it's going to be dust, not beer or some other crap that got spilled on a machine due to where boards are mounted.
I've seen some dusty, dirty chassis that have cleaned up with a soft toothbrush and a paper towel. No real need for the hose treatment.
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:lol He's not used to being agreed with.
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So I was reading Chance's thread over on KLOV and learned something new. Some monitors (I only seem to see EZ-20s mentioned) have water-soluble aquadag and don't react well to being hosed down. You can always repaint, but I didn't know that this even be could be an issue.
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=273536 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=273536)
The more you know.
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I misread what you posted.. then retracted it immediately after I saw my error.
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So I was reading Chance's thread over on KLOV and learned something new. Some monitors (I only seem to see EZ-20s mentioned) have water-soluble aquadag and don't react well to being hosed down. You can always repaint, but I didn't know that this even be could be an issue.
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=273536 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=273536)
The more you know.
And some people are a little too aggressive with cleaning. Chance mentioned it too. Simple Green will eat any kind of painted surface if a) left on too long and b) scrubbed to aggressively with c) extremely hot water. In other hobbies folks will soak parts in it to remove paint. But I can't say enough good things about it used properly.
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This was my first foray into "Canadian Arcade" and I have to say it was pretty entertaining. Much more than watching a CNC router cut out a cab, OR the world's largest Teepee. ;)
Good job Chance! I'd love to see some more in depth stuff for a noob like me. :applaud:
EDIT: Also to add, my wife's high school friend was killed when he decided to work on a TV instead of sending it to a shop and never discharged it. I don't know all the details of how exactly it happened, but that was the reason given. So yea, tread cautiously!