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Title: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 29, 2015, 08:40:51 pm
Is it me, or are these buttons WAY too close, I used a 1 1/8 bit??? Did I pick the wrong template on slagcoin or is the image not 1:1??

I don't have my buttons but these are what I ordered:

http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=398 (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=398)

(http://home.comcast.net/~fotosbyfran/Space%20Invaders%20Arcade/IMG_0195.JPG)

(http://home.comcast.net/~fotosbyfran/Space%20Invaders%20Arcade/IMG_0196.JPG)

Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Generic Eric on March 29, 2015, 08:54:40 pm
So the buttons are close.  Chalk it up to a learning experience and move  on. I've filled a hole, but I haven't tried to re drill in the same space.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Vigo on March 29, 2015, 09:01:02 pm
Did you verify with a ruler that your print came out as a 1:1 ratio? Your printer might have shrunk the image to fit the template on your sheet of paper. That might be too close where the lip of the buttons would be competing for the same space.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Generic Eric on March 29, 2015, 09:10:00 pm
Did you verify with a ruler that your print came out as a 1:1 ratio? Your printer might have shrunk the image to fit the template on your sheet of paper. That might be too close where the lip of the buttons would be competing for the same space.

Word

Some days it would print out for me fine.  Others, not so much.  Trust Verify, but verify.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: mgb on March 29, 2015, 09:11:04 pm
I have used proper sized wooden dowels from Home Depot to fill unwanted button holes.
Used them with wood glue and proper dry time.
But you may even just wanna get a new piece and start at square one.
As already said, chalk it up to a learning experience and keep pressing on.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 29, 2015, 09:14:15 pm
I have no idea how to print these 1:1.

I have my printer set to not to scale, it prints the same every time.....WTF

Do you download the 72dpi image and print it? The larger the image the larger the picture prints
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: TapeWormInYourGut on March 29, 2015, 09:30:04 pm
Are you using an image editor to print? If not, then give that a go. 72ppi is pixels per inch. It shouldn't matter what resolution you use. Almost all modern image editors will understand this and print accordingly, as long as the fit-to-page or scale options are unchecked.

To fix your holes, it might be easier to cut out that 4x4 square and then glue in some scrap. If you go this route, then make the scrap just a tad bigger than the hole so that that you can hand-sand it to flt like a glove.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 29, 2015, 09:48:10 pm
I am going to start from scratch. Trip to Home Depot, $11 for a 2x4 3/4 piece of MDF, not worth the effort of repairing

Here's what I figured out with windows 8.

Open the image up in paint, click print preview, the screen will look like this, make sure you change the scaling to adjust to 100% INSTEAD of fits 1 page by 1 page , then click print and it WILL print 1:1. Regardless of what I changed my Canon printer settings to using any program other than paint, this is the only way I found to print 1:1 in Windows 8. Leason learned:

(http://home.comcast.net/~fotosbyfran/Space%20Invaders%20Arcade/slants36_m.jpg)

Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 29, 2015, 10:08:15 pm
Since I am starting over, what is the most common button layout everyone is using on here?
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Generic Eric on March 29, 2015, 10:48:47 pm
That's  a loaded question.

If you like Street  Fighter, 6 button.  If you like anything else, I think the neo geo layout will suffice.  This is all assuming you are putting 8 way joys or a switching joystick.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 29, 2015, 11:13:21 pm
That's  a loaded question.

If you like Street  Fighter, 6 button.  If you like anything else, I think the neo geo layout will suffice.  This is all assuming you are putting 8 way joys or a switching joystick.

I will be using the Omni2 4/8 way on this one.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: PL1 on March 30, 2015, 12:24:21 am
Since I am starting over, what is the most common button layout everyone is using on here?
The better question is, which do YOU prefer?

Answer: Impossible to say until you put your fingers on a test panel with straight and curved layouts using actual buttons.

Your fingers won't lead you astray, but our preferences might.   ;D


Scott

Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: pbj on March 30, 2015, 10:19:25 am
Do you really not have a ruler or a tape measure?  The proper measurements are excruciatingly detailed on your printout.  Why didn't you double check your printout before upping your post count here?

Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Malenko on March 30, 2015, 10:32:58 am
Do you really not have a ruler or a tape measure?  The proper measurements are excruciatingly detailed on your printout.  Why didn't you double check your printout before upping your post count here?

gotta agree. measure twice drill once :)

chalk it up to lesson learned.
As for layouts, only you know what is best for you. I went with this:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=314918;image)
2 player version would be just cutting off the outer 2 players area.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 10:34:46 am
Do you really not have a ruler or a tape measure?  The proper measurements are excruciatingly detailed on your printout.  Why didn't you double check your printout before upping your post count here?

I didn't have a metric ruler or a metric tape measure. Did I also overlook the US measurements in the drawing??

NOW I have a metric ruler:)

I also assumed these images print out 1:1 since everyone uses them. They don't, particularly in Windows 7 & 8

Upping my post count? Really? I guess UCA Board Chairman's don't make mistakes, or shall I say, they don't post them?

Gotta love the internet for public humiliation, particularly from CERTIFIED BOARD MEMBERS :)


I think I've done pretty excellent thus far for my first cabinet. $12 mistake, I can live with that  :cheers:

Hopefully this "upped post count" serves to someone else benefit

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,144431.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,144431.0.html)
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Generic Eric on March 30, 2015, 10:50:44 am
I've done this too.  ITSOKTM
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: pbj on March 30, 2015, 11:40:55 am
I didn't have a metric ruler or a metric tape measure.

I don't believe you.

Onwards and upwards.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 11:43:50 am
I didn't have a metric ruler or a metric tape measure.

I don't believe you.

Onwards and upwards.

 :cheers:

Did you put much thought into that or are you just trying to up your post count, Mr Board Chairman??  :cheers:

You should get back to work, the tax payers demand it, or is it not a real Board you are part of, LOL?


http://uca.edu/foundation/board-of-directors/ (http://uca.edu/foundation/board-of-directors/)
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: johnrt on March 30, 2015, 12:00:25 pm
http://uca.edu/foundation/board-of-directors/ (http://uca.edu/foundation/board-of-directors/)
This reminds me of this:
http://www.deansproperty.com.au/Home/Profiles (http://www.deansproperty.com.au/Home/Profiles)

Spot the IT-consultant.  :laugh2:

And when you click on the IT-consultant's profile you can read that he has been hired since 1992, although the company wasn't founded before 1993!  :lol
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Malenko on March 30, 2015, 12:03:57 pm
you coulda converted with google and seen how close it was (I know, not exact).  PBJ is allegedly on the UAC board, but there's no chairman.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: jdbailey1206 on March 30, 2015, 12:28:40 pm
You didn't destroy it.  You learned from it.  My first cab was a weecade and it was a good learning experience.  It took me 3 times to get my weecade CP made.  I would recommend NOT filling the holes with dowels.  It may hold together.  Mine did not.  I was re-drilling my holes and it ended up cracking the CP in half where I was drilling.  After rage quitting and vowing never to make another cabinet I was back at *hmrmph* getting more MDF to make my final CP.  I made the same mistake you did and assumed that my printer was calibrated correctly.  My button holes were not close like yours but the way mine was printed it caused the buttons to fit but all of the edges butted up against each other.  The photos below show how awful it came out.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8721/16357539594_b7f14aa0a6.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7637/16359810573_d94b4ae3e2.jpg)

Chalk it up as a learning experience and try again. 
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 12:55:33 pm
^^^^ Yikes! That's some bondo :)

What I really learned from this is that images don't automatically print 1:1. Even with no scaling set in the printer settings, they don't print 1:1.

I always measure 2-3 times before I cut. Now that I am equipped with a metric ruler, I will measure twice before I drill :)



Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 30, 2015, 01:07:20 pm
FWIW, they're not too close. You can space them out, sure, but those spacings look pretty similar to all the times I've used them. Don't space them too far, unless you have monkey hands.  :dunno
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 01:08:34 pm
FWIW, they're not too close. You can space them out, sure, but those spacings look pretty similar to all the times I've used them. Don't space them too far, unless you have monkey hands.  :dunno

Unfortunately they are too close, the buttons will hit one another
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Malenko on March 30, 2015, 01:50:48 pm
I typo'ed UCA not him  >:D
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 01:54:03 pm
I typo'ed UCA not him  >:D

Ah
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Malenko on March 30, 2015, 01:55:32 pm
thats not a typo, PBJ gotta PBJ
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 01:57:22 pm
thats not a typo, PBJ gotta PBJ

I'm new here, he's just being a PBJ ie., D!*k?
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 30, 2015, 01:59:14 pm
I didn't have a metric ruler or a metric tape measure.

I don't believe you.

Onwards and upwards.

 :cheers:

Did you put much thought into that or are you just trying to up your post count, Mr Board Chairman??  :cheers:

You should get back to work, the tax payers demand it, or is it not a real Board you are part of, LOL?


http://uca.edu/foundation/board-of-directors/ (http://uca.edu/foundation/board-of-directors/)

I think it would be hilarious if all this time, we've been trolled by one of the University of Central Arkansas Board of Directors. Damn that J. Lavon Morton, Chair and Senior Vice President & Chief Audit Executive, Arkansas Best Corporation. He's such a bastard.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Typefighter01 on March 30, 2015, 02:54:53 pm
I didn't have a metric ruler or a metric tape measure.

I don't believe you.

Onwards and upwards.

 :cheers:

If he is an American citizen, it is entirely possible. I believe metric items, including the Robertson screwdriver, are banned from entering the US. This problem doesn't exist in Canada, we have access to any tool we want. :laugh2:
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: jdbailey1206 on March 30, 2015, 03:14:15 pm
...in Canada we have access to any tool we want. :laugh2:

True statement.

(http://hotoffthemess.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Justin-Bieber6b.jpg)

On a side note.  Tonight Comedy Central is roasting Canada's favorite son. 
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 03:28:50 pm
I typo'ed UCA not him  >:D

Is it supposed to be UCA or UAC??
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Typefighter01 on March 30, 2015, 03:57:04 pm
...in Canada we have access to any tool we want. :laugh2:

True statement.

(http://hotoffthemess.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Justin-Bieber6b.jpg)

On a side note.  Tonight Comedy Central is roasting Canada's favorite son.

Well played JD my man...well played. :'(
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 30, 2015, 04:01:18 pm
Is it supposed to be UCA or UAC??







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Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
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Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Vigo on March 30, 2015, 05:47:39 pm
I didn't have a metric ruler or a metric tape measure.

I don't believe you.

Onwards and upwards.

 :cheers:

If he is an American citizen, it is entirely possible. I believe metric items, including the Robertson screwdriver, are banned from entering the US. This problem doesn't exist in Canada, we have access to any tool we want. :laugh2:

2 Comments from an American -

1 - I have a hard time finding tape measures and rulers without Metric. I have metric measures and prefer when they are separate from my imperials. I am assuming that is what PBJ is referring to....the incessant need for manufacturers to toss a metric scale on everything.

2 - I had to look up Robertson, but that looks like a standard square head screw. That is the preferred type of head I like to get for my impact driver. They are readily available at the hardware stores I shop at. Maybe it is only the name itself we ban? You shouldn't have named it after the Canadian guy who invented it. Americans don't like it when we didn't think of it themselves.   ;D
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 30, 2015, 09:19:44 pm
Curious, what does UCA stand for?


Maybe my tools are old, not a MM or a CM to be found.

All my rulers were inherited as I own my Grandmother's home. The rulers are so old, they don't even have 1/16th's!

(http://home.comcast.net/~fotosbyfran/Space%20Invaders%20Arcade/IMG_0201.JPG)
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Slippyblade on March 30, 2015, 09:55:52 pm
Wow.  I don't think I've got a measurement device that doesn't have imperial on one side and metric on the other.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Le Chuck on March 31, 2015, 10:50:27 am
Curious, what does UCA stand for?

The User Choice Awards.  An annual event that takes approximately two months and gives everyone on the forum a chance to nominate their favorite builds for a category of recognition, vote on those builds that received enough nominations, and grouse about how the awards are being conducted!  It's a good time had by all.  Stick around for a year and you'll see them pop up come January. 
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 31, 2015, 11:02:54 am
Curious, what does UCA stand for?

The User Choice Awards.  An annual event that takes approximately two months and gives everyone on the forum a chance to nominate their favorite builds for a category of recognition, vote on those builds that received enough nominations, and grouse about how the awards are being conducted!  It's a good time had by all.  Stick around for a year and you'll see them pop up come January.

Allegedly.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 31, 2015, 01:40:53 pm
The word alleged and allegedly appear in this thread.....


Is there a conspiracy theory regarding the ballot box??  :timebomb:
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 31, 2015, 01:43:39 pm
No, it's all on the up and up. I meant we'd allegedly see them pop up again in January.

I kid, though. The humor goes WHOOSH when you don't know about it.
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: jdbailey1206 on March 31, 2015, 01:52:37 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/x7Qezm8.gif)
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Vigo on March 31, 2015, 01:54:47 pm
Yeah, the UCA management torch was passed on to a group of lazy slackers.  >:D
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 31, 2015, 02:04:20 pm
Yeah, the UCA management torch was passed on to a group of lazy slackers.  >:D

With PBJ as board chairman, what can go wrong?  :angel:
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Vigo on March 31, 2015, 02:21:36 pm
Did he really get voted in, or did he just sneak in the side door a few hours later and pretended to belong?  ;D
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 31, 2015, 02:23:49 pm
Did he really get voted in, or did he just sneak in the side door a few hours later and pretended to belong?  ;D

I don't think it was the side door he snuck in...   :scared
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: EMDB on March 31, 2015, 02:37:02 pm
Maybe my tools are old, not a MM or a CM to be found.
An Inch = 25.4 mm. You only need one type of measuring device and some common sense...
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: fmzip on March 31, 2015, 02:57:48 pm
Maybe my tools are old, not a MM or a CM to be found.
An Inch = 25.4 mm. You only need one type of measuring device and some common sense...

Feeling the love, tough crowd :)
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: yotsuya on March 31, 2015, 03:06:12 pm
Feeling the love, tough crowd :)

We always debag the juniors on their first day.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/JohnInman.jpg)
Title: Re: Did I just destroy my first control panel??
Post by: Vigo on March 31, 2015, 03:43:56 pm
The solution is to obviously never have a problem, and if you do, never post about it. What do you think this is, an online forum?