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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: HaRuMaN on September 30, 2014, 01:55:57 pm
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Just saw this, thought it was pretty funny... reminded me of some recent conversations around here.
(http://i.imgur.com/31OJBlg.gif)
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ugh... this just makes me remember how much I dislike anime.
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I have not played a console since the original xbox.
The need for a continuing subscription for full functionality prevents me from being even slightly tempted to buy one.
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I sit at a computer 10 hours a day. I don't want to do it in my freetime.
:cheers:
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I sit at a computer 10 hours a day. I don't want to do it in my freetime.
:cheers:
That's what I always say too...then do it anyway. :dunno
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PS2 is the latest console I own and I generally only play Guitar Hero on that. I don't video game anywhere near as much as I used to but I have been a PC gamer since C64/IBM clones/Apple IIe. I had a good stretch as a kid on the Atari/NES/Sega Genesis but after that it has been primarily as a PC player.
The gif makes some very valid arguments.
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PS2 is the latest console I own and I generally only play Guitar Hero on that. I don't video game anywhere near as much as I used to but I have been a PC gamer since C64/IBM clones/Apple IIe. I had a good stretch as a kid on the Atari/NES/Sega Genesis but after that it has been primarily as a PC player.
The gif makes some very valid arguments.
Briefly, I thought Half Life 3 was confirmed.
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I usually prefer consoles. But I like the idea of pc gaming. I just hate using a mouse and keyboard especially for fps games. (Not that I don't still play unreal tournament) but I generally don't play games that can't support a gamepad. I also hate point and click games(I'm talking to you runescape fans)
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What does everyone always act like you have to choose one or the other? I have consoles for great console games and I have a decent graphics card and PC for those great PC games. Best of both worlds.
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What does everyone always act like you have to choose one or the other? I have consoles for great console games and I have a decent graphics card and PC for those great PC games. Best of both worlds.
Whore...
:D
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What does everyone always act like you have to choose one or the other? I have consoles for great console games and I have a decent graphics card and PC for those great PC games. Best of both worlds.
In theory I agree, I see some console games that look incredible, but for me in practice it is a matter of cost. I get 3-4 hours of free time a week on average. Sometimes I can get 10 or so hours but that is rare. Sometimes I devote this time to gaming other times to something else. For me it just doesn't make sense to keep around a PC that can play games as well as a $400 console system. If I was still single and in college...yeah, I'd be playing on both systems, but I traded that free time in for a high maintenance wife :)
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Never understood the whole console vs PC thing myself. At the end of the day, they're all just video games.
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Here is why I don't like consoles.
Exclusives
I don't care for exclusives. Except Nintendo's exclusives.
I would like to see Crash Bandicoot come back though.
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I love consoles and will always be a console guy. A PC will not compare when it comes down to allowing multiple people easily game on the same screen. Even with the best setups, wireless controllers are a PITA on a PC. PC's do not offer the same level of experience.
That being said, I have seen a lot more to like of PC games lately, because I really don't have the time or desire to dig into over the top extravagant 80 hours to complete games with a brazillion cutscenes. I hate the concept of needing to get smaller games through the console marketplace as well. No competition.
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To me, I'm a casual player and think both are fine.
That being said, I'm happy with my pc setup. It's hooked up to a TV and I've got wired Xbox 360 controllers.
I've got my classic console emulators on there as well as Steam. It works well for me.
I'm not a fan of keyboard control so I try to stick to controller compatible games.
I have found a lot if great games on Steam and for great sale prices.
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Bottom line: There are more games I want to play on the PC. I like the Keyboard and mouse configuration, especially with FPS games.
Consoles are sometimes better for some genres: Scrolling shooter, Couch Multiplayer, platform, sports and driving games...but they suck for FPS, RPG and strategy and real simulation games...and I hate the checkpoint save system...Most (Good)PC games let you save anywhere
I still play Burnout on the Xbox...it's just fun...But couldn't get into Fallout 3 on the 360...same with Borderlands 2. But Fallout 3 and Borderlands 2 are amazing PC games
I like Indie games. PC is the place to be for new creative stuff that puts the fun back into gaming.
FTL, Unepic, prison architect, Game dev tycoon, and many many more...
The best indie games might just get ported to a console...but unless the genre fits...I'll pass.
What I'm trying to say is that one is not better than the other...they each just have their strengths.
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PC is a quasi pseudo "open-source" console. A console is a specialized PC with special controllers. Go!
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Exclusives really aggrevate me as well. Being an avid gamer I really dont have a favorite. I enjoy PCs because they are easy to upgrade for new games but you cant get the comradery you get with consoles.
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I started with my Intellivision and then had a C64. Loved both of em. Went to PC gaming in mid 90s (because of Dark Forces), then stopped PC gaming about 10 years ago. Newer games required newer hardware and upgrading was expensive. Bought an Xbox 360 three years ago and now have a XB1. Play Call of Duty MP. I'd play PC games if I had a computer that could run them well. I accept the Xbox Live fee as a part of the deal with the system. PS4 went to pay to play MP also I think too.
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I like Indie games. PC is the place to be for new creative stuff that puts the fun back into gaming.
FTL, Unepic, prison architect, Game dev tycoon, and many many more...
Agreed
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PS4 went to pay to play MP also I think too.
Yeah Im most displeased about that. However because they charge you for the service, the do give ya free games, which takes a little bit of the sting out. I had XBOX Live Gold for 8 years, let it run out, BAM!, 2 months later they start giving away games for free. I havent bought, and probably wont for a while, any "next gen" console.I have a big enough back log of games on Steam, 360, and even some PS3 games. Bam damn if Forza 2 doesnt look pretty great. Hard to carve out time to game when work and life consume so much of my day.
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My first computer was a Sega SC-3000H, which was a Sega SG-1000 with a keyboard attached:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-1000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-1000)
Best of both worlds.
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I'd play PC games if I had a computer that could run them well.
I thought that for a while...then in 2009 I bought a laptop that could play some games...I still use it as my main gaming PC. It plays 90% of what I want which is pretty good for a 5 year old laptop.
This year, knowing that the laptop is getting long in the tooth for Big games I rigged up a gaming PC on the cheap for like $270 (i5, 8gigs, Geforce 750ti) Now I can play Skyrim on ultra on the old laptop through steam streaming.
It is easy to play PC games if you try.
I installed Linux on a 8 gig flash drive and it can play Prison architect and FTL awesome on most modern PC's
I installed win 7 pro on my really old P4 3.2 with a Radeon all in wonder in it...and even it plays lots of games...not to mention it can stream them too.
So give it a shot. there are lots of good games that will probably run on whatever you have around PC wise.
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I'd play PC games if I had a computer that could run them well.
I thought that for a while...then in 2009 I bought a laptop that could play some games...I still use it as my main gaming PC. It plays 90% of what I want which is pretty good for a 5 year old laptop.
This year, knowing that the laptop is getting long in the tooth for Big games I rigged up a gaming PC on the cheap for like $270 (i5, 8gigs, Geforce 750ti) Now I can play Skyrim on ultra on the old laptop through steam streaming.
It is easy to play PC games if you try.
I installed Linux on a 8 gig flash drive and it can play Prison architect and FTL awesome on most modern PC's
I installed win 7 pro on my really old P4 3.2 with a Radeon all in wonder in it...and even it plays lots of games...not to mention it can stream them too.
So give it a shot. there are lots of good games that will probably run on whatever you have around PC wise.
That all sounds a lot more complicated than hitting the PS button on my Dualshock 4.
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My gaming pc is nice and simple and works well for my needs.
I know many will poo poo it because its got an AMD A8 but it plays the games I want to play very well
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That all sounds a lot more complicated than hitting the PS button on my Dualshock 4.
Yeah, you have to turn on the pc and click the game you want. :cheers:
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What's appealing about consoles to me is that you buy the console.
And then that's it. I don't have to spend one cent on upgrading it for every new game that comes out.
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If you buy a superior enough computer you dont need to upgrade for every game. Back in day of PS1 there was a solid difference between PC and console gaming. You could pay $200 for a console and get the same amount of power for your gaming expierience as you did from your computer. And you wouldnt have to pay $1000 for something that had to be upgraded every six months. Now we have gotten to the point where consoles are being bought for the same amount of money as computers are and they arent upgradeable like computers are and you are forced to spend more money on a different console if you want to play the next gen game.
The age old problem we face to is with gaming systems becoming as fast as computers it just forces us to buy another system if we want to play exclusives. Back in the day you played 1-3 consoles to play all the games available. Now with PCs in the mix we have more to unfortunately choose from. And we are spending more money to get the expierience.
As technology grows its just going to come to the point where there is no difference between PC and console. Because if you look at the specs now on a console it is essentially a PC and gaming is its only function.
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I see both sides of the argument but PCs are still more versatile than consoles.
It was definitely true back in the early 80s after the game crash and a lot of gamers got more into pc gaming and its still true today but very much less now because console technology has increased a bunch.
Its funny, I work with ip surveilance systems and its the same conversation there on a regular basis:
"Which way to go, PC NVR or embedded NVR console?"
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What's appealing about consoles to me is that you buy the console.
And then that's it. I don't have to spend one cent on upgrading it for every new game that comes out.
But eventually you have to buy a new console.
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the best thing to happen to PC gaming is console controllers working on a PC
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the best thing to happen to PC gaming is console controllers working on a PC
Speaking as one who loves his 360 controllers on the pc, I can't argue with that.
Some games, such as Bastian, will only accept 360 controllers
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PC gaming is much easier nowadays assuming you have even somewhat decent hardware. (Remember in the day having to fiddle with sound card settings?). Where it falters for me is the seemingly random reasons a game won't work on my hardware and spending more time looking up solutions than actually playing. Not even graphic intensive games... Bejeweled 3. For whatever reason that game will not allow me to change settings to high quality; it says I don't have a supported video card and I have to play it in 640x480. This issue remains unsolved even after much searching. And my computer can handle games like Battlefield 4, Dead Space and Portal 2 just fine. It's weird crap like that (and many exclusives) that keeps me buying consoles.
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I had driver issues with my Sound Blaster Audigy. I would have to reinstall the drivers every four days. Worst sound card ever.
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I rarely buy the newest "big thing" not on pc or console. I have always loved consoles. But have a backlog of games to play from original xbox down...if I liked using a controller for FPS things might be different.
For whatever reason pc games are just convenient and ive never upgraded just to play games. I have always had a pc for admin/school/work and I have just gamed on that. Granted I may have bought more than a web pc...
its all good games/gaming is fun.
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SNES was the last console I played much of anything on. I have played a little Wii and WiiU with my daughter, but probably less than 10 hours in the last 5 years, and I probably have less than that in any other console past the SNES.
To say that any console has even touched a PC for performance/quality of graphics is somewhat incorrect, unless you are making a comparison to entry level $300 computers at the time of release for the console, which of course can't compete because A) consoles get sold well below cost, and B) computers can do a million other things that consoles can't do. The xbox 1 was the closest console to actually beating out a current generation gaming PC for graphics because at the time of release it was an actual x86 processor with an NVidia graphics card that was, by the time of actual launch, a half generation ahead of what was available for PC's. But within 9 months it was outdated. Microsoft lost around $200 for every x-box they sold, hoping to make it up in game sales and licensing.
However, it is very true that in the peak of PC gaming, if you wanted to stay ahead of the consoles in graphics quality and performance, you had to spend some money (sometimes a lot of money) and even upgrade once in a while. In the early 2000's, a decent gaming machine costing $1000 only lasted about a year before it needed to be upgraded to make the latest games run in any reasonable manner. That time is well past though.
I was playing the latest first person shooters (arguably the highest demanding software ever made for consumers) on 4 year old hardware 3-4 years ago. I did a major (~$700) upgrade over two years ago just because my old card and motherboard was starting to get a little unstable (some dried out and blown out caps). Now my current rig can run any game available in moderate to high settings and have more detail, physics, performance, and resolution than any x-box one or ps4. You could build my current rig for around $1200 all in. Granted it is still more than a console, but it will probably outperform the next console generation that will come out in about 8 years and of course it is a very good desktop computer that can do everything a PC can do. There is very little need to upgrade, and I have not seen a need for the cutting edge hardware that has been released in the last 6 years for anything outside of bitcoin harvesting or benchmarking (ie e-peen measuring). You can buy a $300 graphics card, throw it in a mid level computer (or build a moderately high end computer for $650) and have something that will easily last the next 6+ years for games AND be a computer that will do everything else a computer can do. It is harder and harder to justify the limitations of consoles any more. And frankly, with tablets and smartphones exploding like they have, I think consoles have a serious competitor to deal with.
All that being said, most people will look at the latest generation of consoles and wonder how things could possibly be improved, and to me it comes down to the controller, not the graphics, performance, or upgradability. I have great dexterity in my fingers, but not so much in my thumbs. The games I play on the PC get so crazy that I can't see my cursor, but I still manage to point and click accurately because a mouse is still one of the most accurate pointing devices ever made. I won't give my mouse/keyboard up as a fine control mechanism until an accurate and reliable direct interface to my thoughts has been developed and is readily and cheaply available. I certainly won't give it up for a couple thumb joysticks that try to translate a single square inch of movement with my thumb onto my 100" tv screen. Then again, without aiming "helpers" that all console games have, most console gamers wouldn't be able to accurately control those little thumb sticks either.
Both platforms have their benefits and detractions, but for me, I will pick a PC over a console every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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A man's response, provided he's engaged enough to actually care, to finding out that someone else doesn't like something he does should always be, "sweet, more for me."
That dude over there is gay? Sweet, more women for me.
You don't eat red meat? Sweet, more precious, precious steak for me.
You want to play games on a PC? Sweet, I don't have to stand behind your smelly man-child ass at Gamestop.
:cheers:
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A man's response, provided he's engaged enough to actually care, to finding out that someone else doesn't like something he does should always be, "sweet, more for me."
Good point but there isn't any room for "I'm right and you are wrong" in there.. What other use does the internet have than to argue about whose opinion is right?
:cheers:
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A man's response, provided he's engaged enough to actually care, to finding out that someone else doesn't like something he does should always be, "sweet, more for me."
That dude over there is gay? Sweet, more women for me.
You don't eat red meat? Sweet, more precious, precious steak for me.
This is certainly how I feel about bacon.
With that said, when it comes to gaming, I'm saddened when there's little-to-no market for a particular type of game I like, and developers then ignore it. For a period there, arcade fighters were like that, until thankfully Street Fighter IV brought them back. My second favourite genre of arcade shooting games (aka shmups, not FPS for the young 'uns), is suffering badly of late as the last few remaining big-ish smhup developers are giving up on the genre.
In that case, it's not really "more for me". It's "oh dear, nobody's left to buy these games, so nobody's making them any more". Sadface.
The same can be said for entire platforms. I miss SEGA hardware.
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What's appealing about consoles to me is that you buy the console.
And then that's it. I don't have to spend one cent on upgrading it for every new game that comes out.
But eventually you have to buy a new console.
But it will still be a whole lot cheaper than a good gaming rig (",)
I only just last year bought a PS3 (500gb), so bear in mind that is where I'm coming from. It was $297.55 after I sold back the two games I didn't want in the bundle (for a pittance of course!). Can you even buy a decent sound card for that?
Oh, and I bought it purely on the strength of The Last of Us. Which PC do I get to play that on ;D
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A man's response, provided he's engaged enough to actually care, to finding out that someone else doesn't like something he does should always be, "sweet, more for me."
Good point but there isn't any room for "I'm right and you are wrong" in there.. What other use does the internet have than to argue about whose opinion is right?
:cheers:
Porn? Enjoying custom arcade builds? :dunno (not nescesarilly in that order...)