All these fancy new products EXCEPT the Omni2 Robo. >:D
I assume it's circular restriction? Will there be an octagon too?
What about 4way, or is that covered by the Pac-Pro?
I look forward to X2 telling you how this product is inferior. :cheers:
I've been on the fence between a 49-way and one of the Omni2's for my MAME cabinet. Thanks for making my decision that much harder :laugh:
But I'll put out a warning for folks who venture to try one of these: Once you do, you'll likely not be satisfied with other sticks afterward.
I think most wood panels are probably between 1/2 and 3/4"... will this work on that whole range in the "long" configuration? How big of a hole is recommended/required?
Very enticing, indeed, especially since just last night I was playing some Robotron and thinking that my control panel is long overdue for some new sticks.
One question: Can it be supplied with an illuminated ball-top? (RGB) ?
If you think WICO sticks are the best you can get, you'll definitely want to try this one before paying upwards of $50 for an old and used stick with less features. :)
RandyT
Hey Randy...It's not that I think Wico's are the best you can get... but it's what was originally used on majority of the games. Most collectors have a tendacy to keep what was originally used. Some collectors seek NOS parts, others rebuild with repro stuff, it really blows my mind why is it that no one makes a 1:1 wico reproduction ? That's the most common stick used on most 80's games... It's only a matter of time. I know various people make parts for the i.e. rubber grommets, ball tops, etc. I hope someone makes those down the road and affordable ones. Can you pop on wico shafts on yours ?
Hey Randy...It's not that I think Wico's are the best you can get... but it's what was originally used on majority of the games. Most collectors have a tendacy to keep what was originally used. Some collectors seek NOS parts, others rebuild with repro stuff, it really blows my mind why is it that no one makes a 1:1 wico reproduction ? That's the most common stick used on most 80's games... It's only a matter of time. I know various people make parts for the i.e. rubber grommets, ball tops, etc. I hope someone makes those down the road and affordable ones. Can you pop on wico shafts on yours ?
Looks nice, how thick is the shaft? :cheers:
Also trying to work out a 4-way version to launch at the same time.
Great news :) Do you have the dimensions? (specifically depth under the CP, height of stick above the CP.:stupid
Great news :) Do you have the dimensions? (specifically depth under the CP, height of stick above the CP.
Cheers
I'm pretty sure RandyT gave the measurements from the housing to the top of the ball top in his first post tho.
:stupid
All proper, dedicated 8-ways are circular or nearly circular restriction, so yes. The square restricted 8-ways came about when manufacturers decided to produce sticks with restrictors which could rotate to support 4-way operation. Great for Q*bert, but only "middle of the road" for pretty much everything else.
I know, I would pay ALOT of money for restrictors that could either be octagonal (8) AND square (4) or round (8) and square (4) and switchable via servo. Never liked the square 8 way.
Looks like a real nice dedicated 8 way though. Hows the dead zone and travel? Can you mod the leafs a little to tighten them up?
Are these close enough in measurement that they could be dropped into a classic cab that used wicos, such as a TMNT?
Are these close enough in measurement that they could be dropped into a classic cab that used wicos, such as a TMNT?
Absolutely. :)
the distance between the bottom surface of the panel and the top of the ball is as follows: Long: 3.4" / Short: 2.78"
Why the use of such a thick shaft? Mod of existing shaft hardware?
Ive noticed that it becomes less comfortable with an overhand balltop grip is used, for thicker shafts.
It also looks oddly proportioned.
Otcagonal restrictor? Ugg.
The Octo restrictor I designed is very mild
Will you have a spicier version for your South Texas customers?
I'm close to making an order for 4 of these sticks and a bunch of other stuff from you but I really need the dimension from the top of the ball to the upper base of the unit. If you can clarify that would be great.
I'm close to making an order for 4 of these sticks and a bunch of other stuff from you but I really need the dimension from the top of the ball to the upper base of the unit. If you can clarify that would be great.
Measured with optional Hand Candy ball top, the distance between the bottom surface of the panel (also the top surface of the joystick base) and the top of the ball is as follows: Long: 3.4" / Short: 2.78". This is the dimension you are looking for.
No need to sweat the long and short option. This is something which can be re-configured by the user if necessary. We just provide the option so we can save folks some time and effort by building it in that configuration initially.
I want to hack these sticks to illuminate (RGB) the ball top on them.
Ain't nothing wrong with Octagonal gates. I actually prefer them when playing shmups.
But for Robotron, circle gate is the de facto standard.
You spend more time arguing about Robotron joysticks than any idiot has ever spent not playing it.
You idiots spend more time arguing about Robotron joysticks than anyone has ever spent playing it.
:dizzy:
For the record, I play my Robotron cabinet on a weekly basis. Otherwise, the skillz get rusty.
Thanks again RandyT... do you have the depth measurement? i.e. from the top surface of the joystick base to the bottom point of the joystick base. This is the only other measurement I need. Cheers.
What's a new centering grommet run?
Also, what shaft length would you need for Robo stick height on a metal panel?
...Damnit Randy, where are the crystal clear CLASSX buttons!?! :)
It's literally the first thing I play whenever the machine is booted up. No better way to burn off some stress. :)Agreed. It really helps take me out of whatever mind-state I was in before playing.
Normally I play to 1 million then call it quits, but lately I've been feelin' it more and been playing till the 2 million mark.
Just checking in to see if anyone that has installed these sticks has any feedback...
Randy, send me a couple, I'll throw them into my Robotron Cabaret and write up a review for you free of charge. ;) :lol
Someone who can hit over 7 million (and more if need be) in Robotron: https://vimeo.com/13903324 (https://vimeo.com/13903324)
Also, for the record, I am also a Ducks fan since I lived in SoCal for 4 years and have gone to many of their games. Can beat the price of tickets in a psuedo-hockey-market city. :)
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Phoenix CoyotesHey keep your sub .500 team outta this! :lol
Ice hockey in the freaking desert. Makes total sense.What boggles my mind is the Cardinals being 8-1! I shouldn't have traded away Ellington in my fantasy league. :'(
Phoenix CoyotesHey keep your sub .500 team outta this! :lol
Ice hockey in the freaking desert. Makes total sense.
What boggles my mind is the Cardinals being 8-1! I shouldn't have traded away Ellington in my fantasy league. :'(
Why did you need to make plates?
Nice stick but expensive. I hopw to see in future rotary stick based on rubber/leaf parts.It's not that bad really. I mean, a Silent Sanwa JLF with octagonal gate will cost you well over $50 and people buy that specifically to play fighters.
I'm thinking one of these in my new project with an octogon restrictor. I was gonna go servostik and hack it into the ArcadeSD for switching, but I think the feel of this over the servostick will be the way to go. Still kinda on the fence.
I'm thinking one of these in my new project with an octogon restrictor. I was gonna go servostik and hack it into the ArcadeSD for switching, but I think the feel of this over the servostick will be the way to go. Still kinda on the fence.
IMO, 4-8 way switching is overrated when using a modern MAME build. I wish I hadn't bothered with it in my cab and am thinking of removing it.
(mine is an oddball, as it reduces the sensitivity of the optical switches instead of moving a physical restrictor. Same round restrictor either way)
MAME doesn't allow two directions to be triggered simultaneously anyway, it reacts as if only the most recent switch is being pressed.
So maybe the change in direction would register sooner than it would on a 4-way, but I'd think that would be a good thing.
I didn't do any better at the games with the joystick in 4-way mode.
When testing to see if an overlap or a gap between 4-way directions would be more preferable, an overlap was better.
I didn't know it at the time, but MAME was eliminating the overlap and making an instant transition anyway.
Some people say they just like the feel of the diamond pattern restrictor when playing 4-way games.
I can understand that.
...but my next build won't bother with it and I am considering removing it from my current build.
It's just one more thing to go wrong. To keep the circuit simple, mine had to default to 4-way.
It sucks when you launch USSFIVAE and the joystick is in 4-way mode because there was some hiccup with a script.
Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.
Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.
I'm saying I would use an 8-way joystick with a round restrictor all the time. Because of the way current MAME builds handle input, the 4-way games are just as playable with an 8-way joystick in my opinion. This wasn't the case with older versions of MAME. On Donkey Kong, Mario would get stuck at the top of ladders. Pac Man would miss turns, etc. I don't know when the changes were implemented, but in my experience this just doesn't happen with recent builds.
Play an 8-way game with a 4-way stick? That's unpossible!
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I was interested until I saw the price :dizzy:$50? Big deal. You only live once, and you get what you pay for.
Are you saying you would use only a 4 way or only an 8 way? I had a lever switching stick and the only games I switched it on was like the 19XX games. I could tell a difference using it 8 way instead of 4way like on pacman type games.It didn't seem to maneuver near as well in 8 way mode.
I'm saying I would use an 8-way joystick with a round restrictor all the time. Because of the way current MAME builds handle input, the 4-way games are just as playable with an 8-way joystick in my opinion. This wasn't the case with older versions of MAME. On Donkey Kong, Mario would get stuck at the top of ladders. Pac Man would miss turns, etc. I don't know when the changes were implemented, but in my experience this just doesn't happen with recent builds.
Play an 8-way game with a 4-way stick? That's unpossible!
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I was interested until I saw the price :dizzy:$50? Big deal. You only live once, and you get what you pay for.
My first cab had Ultimarc Mag-Sticks in it. $37 a pop.:-\ Mag-sticks. I love Andy's stuff, but I could not enjoy playing on those sticks.
Second cab has Sanwa JLFs. $20 a pop.You're comparing Apples to Oranges here. Japanese joysticks have a extremely different feel than the oldschool North American leaf-switch joys. Some people have a nostagic preference, and there are a lot of games that both Sanwa and Rubber Grommet Leaf-switch do not fit for optimal play.
The Sanwa is a much better stick IMO.
I highly recommend you play some 4 ways with a real 4way restricted stick, and compare them to your performance and feel, from an 8way. Your ideas and opinions will change in the first few minutes of play.
I was interested until I saw the price :dizzy:$50? Big deal. You only live once, and you get what you pay for.
My first cab had Ultimarc Mag-Sticks in it. $37 a pop. Second cab has Sanwa JLFs. $20 a pop.
The Sanwa is a much better stick IMO.
...why did I bring back this thread? :(
I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.
I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.
I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.
You can't really play your best game of Polybius without a parallelogram restrictor.
I can't play a 49-way game on a 2-way stick. Even with a parallelogram restrictor.
You can't really play your best game of Polybius without a parallelogram restrictor.
LIAR! According to this authentic photo of Polybius from back in the day, the controls consisted of just one button!
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The restrictors also add just shy of 1/32" to the overall thickness, if one is used. So the recommended below panel clearance requirements are:
Long Configuration: 2.1"
Short Configuration: 2.75"
I know the topic is old but am looking to get a pair of these. Just want to know which configuration to go. I need the long shaft 8 way. Just need to know if I should get the smooth circular or the short-throw circular? Will be used for 8 way games and also for robotron. :)
Thanks