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Title: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: Nocturnaloner on March 30, 2014, 11:39:16 pm
There's a particular LCD monitor I have in mind, but the 50ms response rating is worrying me.  Will that make it un-usable for gaming?
Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: Nocturnaloner on March 31, 2014, 10:13:27 am
There's a particular LCD monitor I have in mind, but the 50ms response rating is worrying me.  Will that make it un-usable for gaming?

Yes it will!  50ms is for medical display monitors that are not intended for any kind of moving video, despite manufacturer claims to the contrary.  16ms is pushing it for LCD.

Don't mind me, the voices in my head are having a good day.
Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: Malenko on March 31, 2014, 10:23:17 am
most newer LCDs have much improved response time. Another thing to consider would be viewing angle. The voices in my head told me to say hello to the voices in yours.
Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: mann0mann on March 31, 2014, 09:50:24 pm
Lol
Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: SORHP on April 01, 2014, 02:21:11 am
I saw a 27" led at tigerdirect today with a 2ms response time!
Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: JDFan on April 01, 2014, 10:47:31 am
I saw a 27" led at tigerdirect today with a 2ms response time!

How are they reporting the response time ?? Is it Grey to grey - black to black as different manufacturers will report different statistics in order to confuse the ratings. ( ie. a GTG response time of 2ms could actually be 10ms or higher BTB but the maker reports GTG in order to make the panel sound better than it actually is. )
Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: rCadeGaming on April 01, 2014, 06:29:19 pm
Some people have their head in the sand on this issue, but having a display with minimal input lag is very important for gaming.  The game will feel a lot more responsive.

Also, keep in mind that response time is not a measure of input lag.  An LCD with a very low response time can still have a lot of input lag due to image processing.

Input lag is rarely listed by the manufacturer.  Some say they don't want you to know, but I think it's often that they're not primarily concerned with gaming applications.  You need to find a measurement from a reputable source to determine if a monitor is suitable for gaming.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ (http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/)

http://www.displaylag.com/what-is-input-lag-the-breakdown/ (http://www.displaylag.com/what-is-input-lag-the-breakdown/)

Title: Re: Is LCD response time a factor for arcade cabinet use?
Post by: Nocturnaloner on April 02, 2014, 10:09:19 am
most newer LCDs have much improved response time. Another thing to consider would be viewing angle. The voices in my head told me to say hello to the voices in yours.

Since my cabinet is built, and I have a 23"h x 24"w monitor area, the only way to maximize that is to seek out the older 21.3" 4:3 LCDs that are 1600 x 1200.  None of them are as fast as today's panels, but putting a widescreen LCD in my cab, either horizontally or vertically, just wouldn't look good.

Some people have their head in the sand on this issue, but having a display with minimal input lag is very important for gaming.  The game will feel a lot more responsive.

Also, keep in mind that response time is not a measure of input lag.  An LCD with a very low response time can still have a lot of input lag due to image processing.

Input lag is rarely listed by the manufacturer.  Some say they don't want you to know, but I think it's often that they're not primarily concerned with gaming applications.  You need to find a measurement from a reputable source to determine if a monitor is suitable for gaming.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ (http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/)

http://www.displaylag.com/what-is-input-lag-the-breakdown/ (http://www.displaylag.com/what-is-input-lag-the-breakdown/)


Great points and links, thanks.  I'm going to try a Viewsonic VP2130B, based on the LTM213u6 panel.  It's the same panel as the Samsung 214t, which others have reported as being good in MAME.  If it's no good, I'll go with a "22 inch" (actually 20") crt computer monitor.