Wow! Good thing you weren't in the shop gettin your cab build on!!
Yea rocking the ceiling sucks too, maybe it's not bad if you rent a sheetrock lift? It's probably just a matter of a few weeks before this happens to me. Pretty sure I didn't put a fastener every 8-10 inches like you're supposed to. DOH! I suppose I could add some now :o
Tear that crap out and build some overhead storage.
I helped my parents do it. Their house sold instantly to someone that LOVED the garage.
Tear that crap out and build some overhead storage.
I helped my parents do it. Their house sold instantly to someone that LOVED the garage.
+1.
I hate the drywall ceiling in my garage. There's a ton of storage above that goes to waste.
Not a great start to 2014 when your garage ceiling completely collapses and comes crashing down on top of everything. My garage is also my workshop so, yeah. *SIGH* This happened over night last Saturday at around 2 in the morning. My wife and I awoke to a huge crashing sound. I was so sleepy and out of it I started muttering about "cat's on the roof" my wife was somehow convinced I was right and we both went back to sleep!!.
In the US you'd have lost your garage door as well, since everyone here has sectional doors rather than that cool roll up door. So that's, uh, a plus?
Seriously, glad you didn't have a major project under there - nothing worse than having to go back and redo or do repairs on such painstaking work. Cars are pretty repairable/replaceable.
Most importantly glad everyone's safe.
Tear that crap out and build some overhead storage.
I helped my parents do it. Their house sold instantly to someone that LOVED the garage.
+1.
I hate the drywall ceiling in my garage. There's a ton of storage above that goes to waste.
+2
I'm looking at the garage you have... it isn't finished anyway. That's some valuable storage space. I have strips of about 2ftx4ft pieces of plywood put in the rafters of all my buildings with a bit of open space in between to get up there with a ladder. I store all kinds of crap up in it and you really can't see it. I would take pics but it's currently 2am here and we are expecting 6 inches of snow tonight.... so I might not make it out there in the morning. ;)
That sucks dude--glad no one was hurt--any idea what caused it? rain leaking through maybe? Seems odd that it just decided to drop one night without something to 'tip' it over the edge..if its any consolation i bet it fell in sequence--sort of like coming unzippered from the rafters--if you were in there you likely would have noticed it before it crashed on you...maybe..
From the pics I don't see any screw holes. If it was held up by construction adhesive that is the most likely culprit. I know that stuff is supposed to be permanent, but I can assure you it isn't. I've seen many tile ceilings fall that were put up with it and obviously they aren't holding up nearly as much weight.
If it was actually a true plaster ceiling I am surprised it has lasted this long. I used to work in the field for our demolition company and you would be surprised at how much heavier a plaster ceiling is compared to a sheetrock ceiling. Most times too the plaster ceiling would have a thick metal mesh that the plaster would be applied to. It was treacherous getting them down. We would have to create a hole in one corner and poke our body in and start cutting hangers. Not fun. I don't know how many times I got huge gashes on my arms. You are very lucky that no one was in the garage while it fell.
Congratulations on your daughter also. That is awesome news. :applaud:
Can I admit I've just moved into a place with a lot of garage potential and I'm pushing OND to do it just so I can steal his ideas?
Okay, because I've just moved into a place with a lot of garage potential.
:cheers:
Glad that you and the fam (Including Astro ;) ) are safe. Ceiling cave-ins suck. I've dealt with a few myself. Your case looks like it is just a case of shoddy workmanship.
I'm gonna add another + on the leaving it alone and adding drop down ceiling storage and a hatch ladder to make it look intentional and then it will feel more useful.
Not a great start to 2014 when your garage ceiling completely collapses and comes crashing down on top of everything. My garage is also my workshop so, yeah. *SIGH* This happened over night last Saturday at around 2 in the morning. My wife and I awoke to a huge crashing sound. I was so sleepy and out of it I started muttering about "cat's on the roof" my wife was somehow convinced I was right and we both went back to sleep!!.
Much different than my reactions to bumps in the night. A few months ago, we went to sleep, and at about 2-3 am, heard a small crashing type sound. I had heard something earlier while falling asleep, but it was light, so I just thought it was normal creaking/settling sounds of the house. Our master is above the garage, but I called 911 and proceeded to go through the entire house, leaving the garage until last, just to be thorough.
Of course, the dispatcher tells you to hunker down and stay put, but I can't do that. Better to get a jump on the intruder than the other way around, in my opinion. The officer arrives after I've got all the living areas cleared. Basement and garage last. Did the basement first, then to the garage. I look around, inspecting around each car, nothing. Then for whatever reason, I look again, and out of the corner of my eye, see a large opossum underneath the back end of my car! What kind of creeped me out was my feet were about 1-2 feet away from that thing at one point.
Opened the garage door, and shooed it out. Found out the source of the sounds. The small sound early on was a razor scooter that tipped over on its handles, thus the soft noise. The louder noise was an aluminum bat that was knocked from its slightly elevated position.
God I hate waking up to those kinds of sounds. You just never know until you've found everything, and by that time you're awake and the adrenaline's pumped through your body completely waking you up. Eventually went back to sleep later, but it took awhile.
Ond:
I find extreme fault in your logic.
1. Nobody is going to know there was a ceiling there in the first place.
2. If they do question it why would you volunteer the information that "it just fell down" instead of the appropriate response of "yeah I took it out for storage space".
Ond:
I find extreme fault in your logic.
1. Nobody is going to know there was a ceiling there in the first place.
2. If they do question it why would you volunteer the information that "it just fell down" instead of the appropriate response of "yeah I took it out for storage space".
You are assuming that it is a detached garage? I haven't seen where he clearly stated what kind of garage it is.
If it is an integral garage with a room above it, code may require the ceiling to be finished for fire rating and to protect from carbon monoxide from car exhaust. And even if code doesn't require it, you would most certainly want insulation and drywall to keep the room above warm in the winter . I have never seen an integral garage without a ceiling, so if I were a home buyer I would certainly question why there was no ceiling in an integral garage.
Now, if this is a detached garage, I would definitely opt for more storage space as opposed to a ceiling.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss251/Ond_photos/DSC_0170_zps4ac18002.jpg)
Can you see the pictures? All I see are rafters and metal channel roofing panels.
Now, if this is a detached garage, I would definitely opt for more storage space as opposed to a ceiling.
In all honesty, my parents had a garage with a ridiculous vaulted ceiling. We put in a loft that gave you maybe 5.5 feet of clearance to stand up, which was enough to sit on a stool up there and roll around. There was already a staircase going from the parking spaces to the back door, so we built a side staircase from the landing to the loft. Pegboard and a handrail along the exposed edge to keep people and objects from falling off the side.
Place sold in 24 hours to a single mom who's daughters wanted to use it as a play room. It was an enormous amount of storage space. The inspector was quite impressed with it.
:cheers:
Ond:
I find extreme fault in your logic.
1. Nobody is going to know there was a ceiling there in the first place.
2. If they do question it why would you volunteer the information that "it just fell down" instead of the appropriate response of "yeah I took it out for storage space".
Don't spend $5,000 on repairs just so some potential buyer won't offer $2,000 less than they would if you just cleaned it up and left as-is.
I dunno what Vigo means by" Metal channel roofing panels" though.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss251/Ond_photos/DSC_0170_zps4ac18002.jpg)
Vigo seems like one of those dudes that was freeze framing movies 20 years ago and praying for nipple.
The roof sheathing is corrugated metal? Is the whole house done like that?
Huh. I don't think that would fly up here in the states. I'm not a contractor though, so don't know code that well... Just not used to seeing anything other than sheathing on a residence.
Huh. I don't think that would fly up here in the states. I'm not a contractor though, so don't know code that well... Just not used to seeing anything other than sheathing on a residence.
Well yeah, I said earlier in the thread that construction standards are probably not as rigorous here in Australia as they are in the US or Europe/UK, we don't have snow or very cold weather to contend with, extreme heat is a problem in some areas though.
...... and the cause? Vibration in the uninsulated ceiling caused by wind, particularity on the edges. He was critical of the lack of glue and fixing points where ceiling meets wall and says this is where the loosening begins due to wind pressure. He's not wrong about the wind, we live on the top of a hill and we recently had many weeks of seemingly endless strong winds, my garage doors rattle like mad with it. Insulation in the roof greatly lessens the effect.