Post by: SailorSat on July 07, 2013, 10:04:59 am
The network code in m2emulator 1.1a is a mess.
Grab a copy of the patched m2emulator 1.1c from http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11c.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11c.zip) or https://www.rev-girls.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11c.zip (https://www.rev-girls.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11c.zip)
( might want to rename it instead of replacing the existing one )
Turn on FrameSync in m2network.ini
If using ONE machine set your RXPort and NextPort
If using MULTIPLE machines only set NextIP the next machine
-- Test your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- --
Games tested...
| Game | Romset | 2 Players | 4 Players | 4 Players + Spectator | 8 Players | Notes |
| Daytona USA (Saturn Ads) | daytonas | fine | fine | n/a | fine | |
| ManxTT Superbike (Rev D, Deluxe) | manxtt | fine | fine | fine | fine | sometimes glitches out in race - works fine on next try |
| Motor Raid | motoraid | fine | fine | fine | n/a | |
| Sega Rally Championship | srallyc | fine* | fine* | fine* | n/a | use lua script to fix timer |
| Indianapolis 500 (Rev A, Twin, Newer rev) | indy500 | fine | fine* | fine* | fine* | spectator = slave |
| Indianapolis 500 (Rev A, Deluxe) | indy500d | fine | fine* | fine* | fine* | use lua script for reliable connection - mostly works, sometimes gets stuck on transmission selection -- spectator = slave |
| Over Rev (Model 2B) | overrevb | fine | fine | n/a | n/a | you should link them in reverse order -- 1 > 4 > 3 > 2. |
| Over Rev | overrev | fine | fine | n/a | n/a | you should link them in reverse order -- 1 > 4 > 3 > 2. |
| Super GT 24h | sgt24h | fine | fine* | n/a | n/a | you need them linked in reverse order -- 1 > 4 > 3 > 2. -- black screen otherwise. |
| Sega Touring Car Championship | stcc | fine | fine | fine | fine | use lua script for reliable link |
| Wave Runner | waverunr | fine | fine* | n/a | n/a | use lua script for reliable link |
you can find the scripts at https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts (https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts)
( click on the script you want, then click on the download icon in the top right corner )
Known issues:
Random Freezes
You might experience random "freezes" for about 2 seconds.
This happens when packets are lost somewhere.
Flickering cars (in any game)
No reliable fix known - Works fine if the network is forcefully slowed down, which causes audio stuttering.
Need to "fix" the timers in m2em at some point.
Likewise turning on V-SYNC and running the game at 58Hz helps something, while breaking audio.
Changelog - sort of
- 1.1b - added a timeout for receiving packets, so the MASTER mode on the newer (2B / 2C) games won't finish initialisation before it has been setup.
- 1.1c - changed receiving handle incoming packets before sending out any data.
Post by: Nuexzz on July 07, 2013, 12:50:43 pm
thank you very much SailorSat :notworthy: :notworthy:
Post by: SegaOutrun on July 07, 2013, 01:02:10 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on July 07, 2013, 03:48:16 pm
We can do some online testing tool in beta version?
Post by: Brian74 on July 07, 2013, 04:55:24 pm
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
Post by: isamu on July 07, 2013, 06:32:29 pm
Post by: SailorSat on July 08, 2013, 02:32:23 am
Just overwriting the frame numbers DOES work and fix the flicker, however we get problems with the attract mode and track selection.
Goal for now is figuring out the "header" (first 32bytes of each frame). It contains a system state, a game state, and a message group.
First thing however was/is to "patch" the emulator itself to not send "M2EM" with every packet .) don't know if the real hardware sends a head (most likely SEGA).
Post by: Nuexzz on July 08, 2013, 12:24:55 pm
1) NO CARS collide. VALUE = 1
Code: [Select]
RAMBASE+A0A10A4-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2) DETERMINE AMOUNT OF CARS RIVALS. VALUE = 0 TO 39
Code: [Select]
RAMBASE+A0A3220(http://i.imgur.com/yYFx9Sh.jpg)
Table
Post by: Nuexzz on July 08, 2013, 02:33:43 pm
Code: [Select]
RAMBASE+A1551D4
Post by: ant2 on July 09, 2013, 03:33:50 am
Post by: SailorSat on July 10, 2013, 06:26:56 am
(http://images.arianchen.de/daytona/img_6754.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/daytona/img_6754.jpg)
DAAY TOOO NAAA ;)
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215079819_7MHKQ-L-2.jpg) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/10/05)
Post by: BadMouth on July 10, 2013, 09:10:29 am
Nah, offline!
(http://images.arianchen.de/daytona/img_6754.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/daytona/img_6754.jpg)
DAAY TOOO NAAA ;)
Friggin' awesome! :notworthy:
Post by: SailorSat on July 14, 2013, 05:59:54 am
haven't found a reliable way to fix flickering yet.
however I currently read the game state and overwrite the frame number. this fixes flickering though it breaks the timer. if the counter goes too low, i simply stop overwriting the frame number, causing the cars to flicker and the timer to sync up again.
Post by: Boomslang on July 14, 2013, 08:30:30 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on July 24, 2013, 06:41:40 pm
Post by: SailorSat on July 26, 2013, 07:27:57 pm
Still don't understand why I can't renumber the packets without the game going desync.
It IS possible to trick a nineth player into the ring (read only though) which can in turn used to position the camera on several defined spots on the course.
However, I have yet to actually do that .)
Post by: Xiaou2 on July 28, 2013, 01:27:02 am
For example..
What kinds of things would you need to communicate with the other machines to make everything work?
What kinds of things could cause problems with communications?
What effects would happen from missed data?
What kinds of things could you do to remedy such problems.. keeping the game functionally usable?
I think that there is an internal timer that each game checks, and communicates with each other. That way, even if somehow a packet was lost, lagged, or corrupted.. the system would know how to piece the information together to make things work properly.
It would seem that if theres some sort of lag in one machine.. the others try to compensate by pausing or tossing out data. ?? Causing the flicker frame issues.
By changing the data, the game goes ape, probably because the values are tied into each other. It might be trying to reverse engineer what actually took place and fix that with a certain process. Each time theres a communication break, its going to do Something.. because the game needs to know what things are where, to process collisions and keep accurate race positions and finish-line status.
I would guess that if a systems link got totally busted while multiple racers were at it... after a series of missed connections, it would eventually either give up and create an error / reboot.. or would carry on and start making artificially intelligent assumptions about where things were supposed to be based on last know data... and eventually may realize it would just need to take full control as if it were a single player game. (either having the cars auto drive at a set pace, cars coast to a stop as if the driver fell asleep, using AI to drive them competitively, or remove them completely)
Other things to think about... is that if all the machines were turned on at different times... wouldnt that mean that the scanline timing between all of them would possibly be different between each monitor? As such, trying to tie things into frames may be an issue. Especially since even if a game isnt displaying whats happening.. things are still taking place.
As such, precise data about 'times' is going to be very critical, and stamped and tied into everything that is done.
Some other things to consider...
- They may take into consideration things like slower cpu processing, due to overheating issues. IE: clogged fans, thermal paste drying out, and or failing caps / components. Thats common with pc based equipment.. but, not sure how much a factor it is with non pc based machines... or at least, games that are much older that probably didnt have those kinds of issues.
- Check out other Sega (and non sega) game link protocols... (especially from that time period) and or look up the programmers that worked on these games.. and see what other games they have dabbled in. I think one of the guys who worked on a sega game was from the usa.. and did a lot of custom AI coding.
- Remember that in many Sega games... game timers are different from CPU / motherboard timers. Game-Time may be completely inaccurate to real-time seconds for example. The clock could also conceivably speed up or slow down a bit, depending on many factors.. from problems to an actually designed feature. While each timer may be used differently.. each is also critical in different ways to the way the programs use them.
Im not a programmer.. as Im not good enough with the abstract thinking and complex math... but the basic foundation of programs are usually rooted in basic logic and reasoning. The biggest hurdle for arcade games programs, may be in understanding the hardware enough to know why certain things are 'logical and reasonable'... heh
Post by: tron84 on August 01, 2013, 12:27:19 am
It creates a VPN and I race Daytona with my buddy, yes I do know him. I am in South Carolina & he moved to Utah. We have been doing this for two years now, since he moved out there.
Once the VPN is set up & Model2, it rocks. Online play all the way, no desync's either.
Give it a try, you will love it. Who doesnt like Sega online :)
Post by: Nuexzz on August 01, 2013, 01:30:08 am
I use Tungle for online play for Sega model2 & Super model3, link games. It works like a champ. No slow downs, no hiccups, runs at full speed.
It creates a VPN and I race Daytona with my buddy, yes I do know him. I am in South Carolina & he moved to Utah. We have been doing this for two years now, since he moved out there.
Once the VPN is set up & Model2, it rocks. Online play all the way, no desync's either.
Give it a try, you will love it. Who doesnt like Sega online :)
I've actually played daytona online with Tunngle and also with hamachi and found no difference.
tron84@ you are using the line tool (dev) or is beginning simply games m2network.ini settings ?
Post by: tron84 on August 01, 2013, 01:58:26 am
I use Tungle for online play for Sega model2 & Super model3, link games. It works like a champ. No slow downs, no hiccups, runs at full speed.
It creates a VPN and I race Daytona with my buddy, yes I do know him. I am in South Carolina & he moved to Utah. We have been doing this for two years now, since he moved out there.
Once the VPN is set up & Model2, it rocks. Online play all the way, no desync's either.
Give it a try, you will love it. Who doesnt like Sega online :)
I've actually played daytona online with Tunngle and also with hamachi and found no difference.
tron84@ you are using the line tool (dev) or is beginning simply games m2network.ini settings ?
I have to change the m2network cfg file: Nextip= to the persons who is hosting VPN IP address to link up.
The host is on master, other on slave and have different car/machine id's. Same region of coarse also.
Post by: SailorSat on August 01, 2013, 05:10:08 pm
Post by: tron84 on August 02, 2013, 02:15:26 pm
What version of the m2 emu are you using?
It is v1.0, same as other person is using. We are using same roms of coarse.
Post by: SailorSat on August 02, 2013, 02:45:01 pm
Post by: tron84 on August 02, 2013, 02:56:06 pm
Strange - 1.0 keeps flickering without framesync and hiccuping WITH framesync
I do not have any of those problems, neither does who I race with. I am using the emulator- multi-cpu app/exe.
here is my config file with the way it is set up.
http://www.filedropper.com/emulator (http://www.filedropper.com/emulator)
Post by: SailorSat on August 03, 2013, 03:07:41 am
With that emulator.ini the game keeps flickering like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Are you playing as MASTER or SLAVE site?
Post by: Nuexzz on August 03, 2013, 04:43:53 am
Post by: tron84 on August 03, 2013, 02:48:42 pm
I don't get it.
With that emulator.ini the game keeps flickering like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Are you playing as MASTER or SLAVE site?
I just recorded a quick lap on bandicam on Daytona ’93. Now recordings are not the best way to show, what is truly going on. I don’t have flickers and that. I did not say I was a good driver either. It runs fine on my system with no flickers. I dont get why it would flicker on yours? Does not make sense.
video:
http://www.filedropper.com/emulatormulticpu2013-08-0313-35-33-142 (http://www.filedropper.com/emulatormulticpu2013-08-0313-35-33-142)
Then when me & my friend play on it on Tungle we don’t get desync’s. We talk on mumble when we are racing and have always ask each other what the time was on the screen & where were the cars etc. It always matched up. We did a lot of mamehub stuff in the early stages, we know about some desync’s on games.
As far as set up to get going in tungle. In the m2network cfg file. The NEXTIP= you set yours to the other persons VIP# that tungle gives you. They need to do the same.
In tungle once you have it set up & opened/forward port 11155 for tungle. Once you have the room going. The person who is hosting the game, in model2 they need to be set to Master. The other person set to slave with a different car #. Both on same region. Then you will be linked to race online. Set the cabinets up also.
Post by: SailorSat on August 03, 2013, 04:49:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t3Ahgo4W7Y4&t=67 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t3Ahgo4W7Y4&t=67)
(notice the AI cars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dgi5b0TZ46U&t=120 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dgi5b0TZ46U&t=120)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ovmzytkHba4&t=529 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ovmzytkHba4&t=529)
Online it gets even worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M5QjCanbLw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M5QjCanbLw)
(not my recording)
Post by: Boomslang on August 05, 2013, 10:03:46 pm
I tried the framesync=1 thing but it still wasn't perfect
and Supermodel 3 network support has not been added yet so you cannot of played online that way...
Post by: SailorSat on August 22, 2013, 04:46:38 pm
sometimes even 8 players is not enough!
daytona @ gamescom 2013
(http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/tn_21082013710.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/21082013710.jpg)
(http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/tn_22082013729.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/22082013729.jpg)
Post by: isamu on August 23, 2013, 09:38:49 am
slightly off-topic
sometimes even 8 players is not enough!
daytona @ gamescom 2013
(http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/tn_21082013710.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/21082013710.jpg)
(http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/tn_22082013729.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/gamescom/2013/22082013729.jpg)
Nice. Out of curiosity who organized this event and what was the significance of it?
Post by: BadMouth on August 23, 2013, 10:40:13 am
Post by: SailorSat on August 23, 2013, 04:18:14 pm
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200496121708323 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200496121708323)
as for the event itself, gamescom is one of the larger european trade fairs, like the e3.
part of that is a whole building for "amusement". got a cosplay village, gokarts and other stuff here.
there usually is a retro game area too, and most of the staff happen to own loads of older stuff, and my club (for amusement only e.v.) has various pinball and video arcade stuff there.
Post by: Nuexzz on September 15, 2013, 07:48:14 am
What I can say for now is - the flickering cars are "out of order" frames.
Just overwriting the frame numbers DOES work and fix the flicker, however we get problems with the attract mode and track selection.
Goal for now is figuring out the "header" (first 32bytes of each frame). It contains a system state, a game state, and a message group.
First thing however was/is to "patch" the emulator itself to not send "M2EM" with every packet .) don't know if the real hardware sends a head (most likely SEGA).
I found how to completely eliminate attract mode (replaced by display of "awaiting players"without running the counter, I mean freeze)
also delete the track selection screen (with buttons VR key z,x,c,, I can choose the course)
this could be useful to the patch that you did?
Post by: Nuexzz on September 15, 2013, 08:51:54 am
ops! also works in single mode. :cheers:
I think sega was decided by the two modes attract and this was "covered" with the original.
(http://i.imgur.com/0YIS04O.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VfejDoQ.jpg)
MODE SINGLE
(http://i.imgur.com/LBh8cul.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ulXsJUN.jpg)
Post by: SailorSat on September 15, 2013, 10:30:14 am
I currently switched focus on getting a stats tool up that shows which games are up and stats.
Post by: Nuexzz on September 15, 2013, 11:12:22 pm
If This what you mean you can manipulate the game to 100%: such as (reverse mode for all tracks, 16 or more players online, the name of each player above the car and much more.
am I right?
Post by: BadMouth on September 27, 2013, 04:40:04 pm
Gamescom 2013 Recap by Inside Sim Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh9b5dmjkY8#)
They showed it briefly in a few other episodes related to GamesCon too.
I haven't watched Inside Sim Racing for a while because they always say things that annoy me.
The last time I quit watching, they were complaining about the sky being too blue in a game.
Post by: Nuexzz on September 28, 2013, 01:20:14 pm
Skip to 14:25 :D
Gamescom 2013 Recap by Inside Sim Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh9b5dmjkY8#)
but hey .. the cars do not flickering in the video!! :-[
Post by: SailorSat on September 30, 2013, 02:10:58 am
Either they didn't capture the occosional hiccups, or they just didn't show em .)
Post by: SailorSat on October 05, 2013, 04:27:42 pm
Big news first - I fixed those damn hiccups with framesync 1 - A simple tool between the last slave and the master unit fixed it.
Small bits - Figured out quite a lot of daytonas first 48 bytes.
Code: [Select]
offset meaning
00-03 - SIG (M2EM / SEGA / 0x0000)
04 - NetState (0 = link, 1 = setup, 2 = online)
05 - position 1st (relative to car list)
06 - position 2nd
07 - position 3rd
08 - position 4th
09 - position 5th
0A - position 6th
0B - position 7th
0C - position 8th
0F - Frame Index (counts up)
1A - Node-ID (if hosting a game)
1B - GameStatus
1D - Group
20 - GameStatus
21 - SetupStatus
22 - GameStatus
23 - SetupStatus
24 - 0x81?
25 - car list - 2nd car
26 - car list - 3rd car
27 - car list - 4th car
28 - car list - 5th car
29 - car list - 6th car
2A - car list - 7th car
2B - car list - 8th car
2C - 0x00?
2D - TimeLeft Lo \ 64 per Second
2E - TimeLeft Hi /
D9 - Car ID (red = 00, blue = 01 etc.)
[/cod€]
Post by: Nuexzz on October 05, 2013, 06:14:17 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on October 07, 2013, 11:12:51 pm
Post by: SailorSat on January 21, 2014, 04:17:38 pm
(http://images.arianchen.de/tn_daytona-live-proto01.jpg) (http://images.arianchen.de/daytona-live-proto01.jpg)
Actually these are two screenshots in one...
On the bottom you can see two games driving (Red and Blue)
On the top is the "Live" Spectator, one time with Car 2 (left) and the other time with Car 1 (right)
Still a lot room for improvements though.
Currently one needs to "join" the game by hand on the live machine.
Also it only work for games started by slave units, as the live client is master to a virtual network.
Post by: Nuexzz on January 22, 2014, 05:52:37 pm
RAMBASE+0x1320=11
(http://i.imgur.com/nsBp6nW.jpg)
Post by: SailorSat on January 23, 2014, 04:42:26 am
a live camera you can disable tilemaps and looks cool. ;)
RAMBASE+0x1320=11
Haha, nailed it.
Exactly what I was just trying to do :)
Nice find :D
Post by: SailorSat on January 23, 2014, 05:05:58 pm
still a lot of work to do :)
Post by: Nuexzz on January 24, 2014, 11:22:14 am
RAMBASE 0 x1835 = 125
Post by: Boomslang on February 10, 2014, 04:13:51 am
Sounds really interesting
Post by: Boomslang on February 28, 2014, 12:53:18 am
Ive been playing with m2 network games last few days.
Found Daytona USA, Sega Rally, Manx TT, Indy 500 work fine for the most part (Indy 500 can play up a little but works for the most part) however Sega Touring Car doesn't really work at all. If you load it up it will just sit on network checking screen but if you go to test mode on master and go back out of test mode they connect up and will go ingame but can't seem to race each other. It's kinda wierd
Post by: SailorSat on February 28, 2014, 04:40:25 am
Usually the MASTER unit sends out some kind of request and the SLAVES reply to that.
With Model2C (and some 2B games, like Virtua On) the MASTER don't seem to send anything, hence no link is established.
As a fun fact, a friend got a virtua on, and both units have different comm boards on the MASTER and SLAVE unit.
Though I believe there is no real difference software side (game roms are identical) there may be differences on the hardware side.
I just tested your way to link up (service menu) and it actually works... Great find :)
However I get a car conflict - tried to link up 4 players, every player gets car id #4 though they have individual car numbers in service mode.
(http://images.arianchen.de/stcc-4player.jpg)
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 28, 2014, 04:54:56 am
Post by: Boomslang on February 28, 2014, 03:08:18 pm
Post by: SailorSat on March 06, 2014, 06:04:02 pm
Behold! Daytona Live Camera is getting somewhere :)
Fixed the problem with Player1 going invisible and "other" cars jumping a little. (yeah!)
However there is a "slight" problem (guess what)
(http://images.arianchen.de/daytona-livecam-03.png)
Post by: vandale on March 07, 2014, 06:21:20 am
Post by: SailorSat on March 07, 2014, 07:48:35 am
2p is labelled 1p in the live view and vice versa?
exactly :)
the live view always shows a red car for the person i'm spectating. and replaces my "own" car (1p) with the spectated car.
like in this case, I'm spectating car no. 2, still the live cam shows a red "player" (instead blue) and a blue car (labeled 1p) instead of the red car that should be visible.
still, better than not seeing the other car at all :)
Post by: Nuexzz on March 07, 2014, 10:47:55 am
Fixed the problem with Player1 going invisible and "other" cars jumping a little. (yeah!)
you are saying that fixed the flicker problem in rival cars?
Post by: SailorSat on March 07, 2014, 11:09:12 am
Fixed the problem with Player1 going invisible and "other" cars jumping a little. (yeah!)
you are saying that fixed the flicker problem in rival cars?
no, just live cam related fixes.
to get rid of jumping rival cars use framesync=1 ^^
Post by: AMG KC on March 18, 2014, 07:44:11 pm
I used to do alot of racing with a couple guys in Asia years ago on 0.9, was awesome fun.
Post by: AMG KC on March 23, 2014, 02:38:08 am
Daytona however we had minor issues, as always you can just play it that way and its not a playability issue, with Framesync=1 it was flawless for the first race only, then the other player car was slightly jolting back and forward. We did experience the 2 second pause a few times, but once we got things working well, it was about 6 to 10 times over about 50-80 races between both games.
Im interested to know what else can be changed to make the connection stability better, and in particular what was added between last car and master to fix the 2 second pause issue?
We did try going direct using just the emulator network file, however that didn't make it any better, and in the case of Sega Rally seemed to be a bit worse, which affects the slave cars to what I consider unplayable.
We were using a 24 port NETGEAR managed Gigabit switch, the shortest CAT5e cables that would reach, and onboard NICs, with their settings adjusted for the best performance ( that last item made a big difference ) The NETGEAR switch did make a difference over my 8 port DLink non managed Gigabit switch, however that NETGEAR is not exactly cheap either.
Post by: AMG KC on March 23, 2014, 02:58:59 am
How do you do this? Thanks :)
Big news first - I fixed those damn hiccups with framesync 1 - A simple tool between the last slave and the master unit fixed it.
Post by: SailorSat on March 23, 2014, 08:33:09 am
my current setup:
- TP-LINK 16 Port Gigabit-Switch (with JUMBO Frame support, more on that later)
- 10m cat5e cables
- 8 "identical" DELL GX755 desktop, 2,1GHz C2D, 2GB RAM (2x 1GB), GeForce GT 430, XP64
- some "other" PC as "control tower" (live display, remote control and other development fun)
some facts on the original model 2 and model 2A network:
- comm boards are using a optical ring network to communicate.
- they communicate using 3589-byte frames.
- a frame contains a 5-byte header and 3584-byte payload.
- the header consists of a signature (M2EM) and a status-byte.
- payload itself contains eight 448-byte states.
emulation related stuff:
- framesync=1 causes the emulator to wait for incoming frames
- framesync=0 does NOT wait, this also may cause frames to arrive in the wrong order.
communication details:
- the comm board memory contains 9 states
- the host writes to state #1 and reads from state #2 to #9
- received frames replace state #2 to #9
- sent frames contain state #1 to #8
something on the header status-byte:
- on reset, the master unit will send out status-0 with a "unit count" of 0 (in the payload) every 10 FPS; the slave units won't do anything by themselfes
- on receiving status-0 a slave will increate the "unit count" and add itself (port number) to a list of unit ids
- on receiving status-0 the master will increase the "unit count" and send out status-1 with the final "unit count" and a "unit id" of 0
- on receiving status-1 a slave will store and increate the "unit id"
- on receiving status-0 the master will store the "unit id" and send out status-2
as for the states:
- a state is kind of specific for each game.
i have created some kind of map for daytona states.
(http://images.arianchen.de/daytona/daytona%20packets.png)
my observations:
- the comm board emulation is done async by the slaves.
that means as soon as a frame reaches the emulator, it will be processed and a new one is sent out; even if you drag the window around in windows.
this can be used to get the network desynched on purpose. - the comm board emulation on the master unit seems to be tied to to the video fps; drag the master window around in windows, the whole network will stall for the time being.
- sometimes (for unknown reason) the network seems to send out two frames at once (1 UDP packet with 7178 bytes).
on receiving these double frames only the first one gets processed and replied to; we "lost" one frame.
because of these "lost" frames, the infamous 2 second hiccup occurs.
about jumbo frames
- most of our computers communicate using conventional ethernet hardware.
the ethernet protocol spec only allows for up to 1500 bytes per message.
jumbo frame support allows to increase this size limit. - to send our 3589-byte frames using conventional ethernet, they have to be fragmented into 3 udp/ip datagrams which will be send as ethernet messages.
each udp/ip datagram needs to have a checksum and an index number. on the receiving side, these datagrams need the checksum checked and put in the right order before reaching the emulator again. - a jumbo frame setting of 4000 bytes (and higher) allows to send our 3589-byte frames at once.
so jumbo frames should reduce the load and latency on all involved network stuff, as we have only ONE ethernet message, ONE datagram to generate/check a checksum for, and NO fragmentation/reordering to take account of.
what my "m2lagfix"-tool does
- check status of header; the tool won't do anything until status-2 is reached.
- received frames get buffered, sent to the emulator and (if enabled) a copy is sent to the "control tower"
- if the emulator does NOT respond within 64ms, the buffered frame will be sent to the emulator again.
- double-frames sent by the emulator will be split to get rid of "lost" frames.
- if no frame gets received in 256ms, we have a network stall. (nothing will be done)
about the games:
- DAYTONA USA
as for daytona, my setup currently runs pretty smooth. every like 5th race, one player seems to have "jumpy" cars for the rivals.
other than that, i'm pretty much satisfied. the attract mode stays synched for the 7 slaves even after several hours, only the master unit runs ahead a few frames.
there is (in daytona and daytona93) a hidden forth track used for test purposes. in daytonase and daytonas, this fourth track is bugged.
as a side note - version history for daytona = daytona 93 (initial) -> daytona (multiplayer) -> daytonase (add special type cab support) -> daytonas (add saturn ads) - SEGA RALLY
as some may know, it is possible to connect more than 4 players if you select "car 2" or "car 3" for the slaves.
be warned though, selecting the same car for multiple players will result in the same starting position and a pretty fancy "car explosion" on start. (everybody will be blown away in a random direction)
also, selecting of "car 4" for some reason keeps glitching these units out of the map, rendering them unable to participate.
last but not least, using more than 4 player cars, will result in the timer go apeshit at the first checkpoint. - MOTOR RAID
this one proofed to be pretty fun and stable (up to 4 players) out of the box. - INDY 500
for some reason I can't seem to get a stable link with more than two or three players. keeps showing network error :( - other games
actually haven't tried manxtt, model 2b and 2c games don't seem to work at all without "cheating" the network check.
random thoughts
- jumbo frames are nice to have, but can be disabled too. they won't work online anyway
- for real online play, framesync=1 most likely sucks, as the network latency will cause stuttering
- the "m2lagfix"-tool started out as a simple splitter app for development.
- first I thought the flickering/jumpy cars were caused by "out of order" frames.
while this is true for framesync=0, this can't be happening with framesync=1.
so why does it still happen from time to time, even with framesync=1? i don't know. - whoever hits start first, becomes "host" for a race.
as the master unit is forced to process network packets every now and then, hosting the game on a master unit could be considered unfair.
if every slave races for exactly 60 seconds (64 "frames" per second * 60 seconds = 3840 frames), the master will have a few frames extra (say 3845).
however I doubt anyone does actually notice in a real race. - its enough to run the "m2lagfix"-tool on the master unit to fix stalls. however I still use it on all units to fight those "double"-frames.
- also, I set frameskip=0 in emulator.ini; I'd rather have the whole ring "wait" for one FPS than to get desync.
Post by: vandale on March 23, 2014, 01:43:07 pm
hidden 4th track, how do we access this and do you have screen shots?
keep up the good work.
thanks
Post by: Nuexzz on March 23, 2014, 02:25:01 pm
I guess that is the prototype of driving.
Post by: vandale on March 23, 2014, 04:13:21 pm
you mean this track?
I guess that is the prototype of driving.
hahaha, really?
So disappointed. I thought there was something special hidden away.
Thanks
Post by: AMG KC on March 23, 2014, 06:04:33 pm
Thanks very much!!
Post by: AMG KC on March 23, 2014, 09:57:44 pm
One thing i never thought of from playing around 7 years ago was we were all running XP x64, where as ive been running on Windows 7 Pro x64 ever since it came out. I recently made a few registry changes to network adaptor settings that made some significant improvements to some things.
We used to have an average of 3 races on Sega Rally and then close to restart as the slaves would tend to become unplayable during a forth race. I cant remember if we did 3 or 5 lap races at that point.
We did a 6 player race session way back then too, cars 2 and 3 were used twice, and they did have the crazy crash at the start, also causing player 4 to be involved. It never made any difference after the first lap, it was so easy to catch up with the boost anyway that no one really had much hope of getting a solid lead unless the track was too choked up with cars ( which it always did ). We restarted after every race that particular time and never saw slave lag issues.
6 players on Daytona was no issue, except two people wanting to use the orange car so for a couple races we had two number 8s on the track.
Is there somewhere i can download this tool to fix the lag?
Post by: AMG KC on March 24, 2014, 01:48:28 am
Got a new router coming as well cause the ZTE my provider gives me with the package is somewhat unstable and has a terrible ping when compared to connection through my iPhone 5 hotspot... So I bought a NETGEAR MBRN3000, which by all accounts is pretty good. Got a new 7dBi antenna coming to replace the 3dBi on my roof, should allow me to race against others over seas again.
Post by: SailorSat on July 31, 2014, 08:24:23 am
Daytona USA - Live Spectator / Statistics W.I.P. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7z1lypelKs#)
http://images.arianchen.de/temp/daytona_overlay_test.png (http://images.arianchen.de/temp/daytona_overlay_test.png)
nearing "beta" mode :)
Post by: Nuexzz on July 31, 2014, 11:16:10 am
Teaser...
Daytona USA - Live Spectator / Statistics W.I.P. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7z1lypelKs#)
(http://images.arianchen.de/temp/daytona_overlay_test.png)
nearing "beta" mode :)
It is really amazing!!
Post by: Nuexzz on July 31, 2014, 11:20:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/FpSii51.jpg)
Post by: SailorSat on July 31, 2014, 11:44:47 am
Maybe minimap can be disabled too? :)
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 31, 2014, 12:56:48 pm
What is there a table with the x/y of the cars in the memory or are you using some other trick?
Post by: Jitterdoomer on July 31, 2014, 04:02:36 pm
Post by: SailorSat on July 31, 2014, 04:46:53 pm
The map and overlay is drawn from reading the network stream.
@Jitterdoomer: both is true to some extend. daytona shares LOTS of graphics and fonts with virtua racing.
however, the I had to rip some stuff (most likely the "car names" and the "live"-logo) from virtua racing.
Post by: SailorSat on July 31, 2014, 05:21:28 pm
And yeah... source code screenshot ;) (http://images.arianchen.de/for-amusement-only/2014-07/31072014997.jpg) - yeah, that visual basic 6 ^^
Post by: SailorSat on July 31, 2014, 05:25:09 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on July 31, 2014, 06:40:25 pm
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0x2810= 600 I think I can remove the section of track and car.slave (live camera) will have a field in the demo up ingame
Post by: SailorSat on July 31, 2014, 07:10:31 pm
2810 turns out to be the Y-Offset
2812 is the X-Offset
this is great :)
Post by: Jitterdoomer on July 31, 2014, 10:46:42 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on August 01, 2014, 01:28:18 am
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off map 221B=51
off selectors 212B=02
off cars in single mode 209B=01
Post by: SailorSat on August 01, 2014, 02:18:12 am
this is getting better and better ^^
Post by: Nuexzz on August 01, 2014, 05:31:58 pm
example.
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xxxx = 1 (attract mode) if 1 show graphics "link system"
= 2 (menu) if 2 show graphics "waiting for players"
= 3 (in game) if 3 show graphics "that you are currently using for graphics virtua racing "
Post by: Nuexzz on August 01, 2014, 11:16:27 pm
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[read byte to bits add graphics]
0x43E2= 0-attrac demo
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-select track
2-select track
3-select track
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4-select track/transmission (transition between)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5-select transmission
6-select transmission
7-select transmission
8-select transmission
9-select transmission
10-select transmission
11-select transmission
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12-select transmission/gentlemen start your engines (transition between)
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13-gentlemen start your engines
14-gentlemen start your engines
15-gentlemen start your engines
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16-in game
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Post by: SailorSat on August 02, 2014, 11:25:48 am
I also ruined my brain cells and made some progress on the camera control.
I have a proof of concept "turn camera towards point x" (great for the hair needle on expert!) and a (pretty funky) "turn and move camera to some point" logic working (great for finish line etc.).
Post by: SailorSat on August 05, 2014, 04:52:55 pm
Hall 10.2 E-041
Post by: Nuexzz on August 11, 2014, 12:18:04 am
if only I would find as breaking the 3d and put a white background.
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 11, 2014, 12:59:55 am
Couldn't you use the png functions in the lua scripts to draw the map? That way you could add a background and make it as fancy as you want. I used lua to draw the cursors in troubleshooter 2... I read the memory locations to get X/Y values and then applied them to the script.
Post by: SailorSat on August 13, 2014, 12:33:10 pm
Got dynamic cameras up and running :)
Daytona USA - Live Spectator Alpha #4 "dynamic cameras" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAhNh1ggcUI#)
Post by: SailorSat on August 14, 2014, 05:00:57 pm
more camera modes, cleaned up hud, reenabled some 2D elements.
Daytona USA - Live Spectator Alpha #4.5 (B54) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDc0H6nQTKA#)
Daytona USA - Live Spectator Alpha 5 (B57) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHux65GePQ#)
Post by: vandale on August 15, 2014, 03:55:56 am
Post by: BadMouth on August 15, 2014, 10:15:50 am
I like the little fans! :lol
Post by: SailorSat on August 15, 2014, 01:36:40 pm
Don't know if nuezz fixed that with daytona++ ^^
Will write some logic for automated camera changes though.
Post by: Jitterdoomer on August 16, 2014, 03:11:14 am
Post by: Nuexzz on August 17, 2014, 04:40:21 am
Secondly I could help find the code for the viewer to follow the car going first, but ... it depends on SailorSat share the code to change all cars spectators :D
some reverse mode wip (http://i.imgur.com/aK6ujZo.jpg)
Post by: Jitterdoomer on August 17, 2014, 05:13:19 am
Post by: MrThunderwing on August 17, 2014, 08:05:50 am
Day 1 @ GamesCom 2014:
Got dynamic cameras up and running :)
Daytona USA - Live Spectator Alpha #4 "dynamic cameras" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAhNh1ggcUI#)
Great videos SailorSat, looks like a lot of fun.
Post by: SailorSat on August 18, 2014, 03:21:12 am
Every 15 seconds 2nd place will be selected EXCEPT if 2nd place is already on - in that case 3rd place is selected.
Daytona USA - Live Spectator Alpha #7 - Epona ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLFBlc5NfaM#)
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 18, 2014, 04:37:43 am
You might want to look at the "please wait" mode in Mario Kart 8. They are doing something very similar to what you are. Basically it rotates among the players, and the camera follows the car but like yours, it switches to front view when going around corners. One thing it does do that this one doesn't is you can press a button to manually switch views.
Post by: edekoning on August 18, 2014, 10:36:32 am
If some of you happen to be at GamesCom next week, come over to hall 10.2 (upper floor) and find the daytona at the retro area :)
Hall 10.2 E-041
I was there!!!! When I saw the setup I was like: no way ... can I play ... yes I can whoohoo :D Totally awesome racing against 7 other people. Only had to wait for 6min before I could play, shortest queue of the event ;) I also really digged the two big screens showing everyone's position.
The only thing odd I noticed was that there always seemed to be one car that was glitching like hell. All the other were just fine.
I had a blast racing, many thanks for that :applaud:
Post by: Xiaou2 on August 18, 2014, 01:49:01 pm
Im not sure if the game would lend itself well to a this, depending on how they modeled things... but it would be interesting to see a full top-view mode for the Live-Display monitor. Camera zoomed far back, to fit the entire thing in.
If not, maybe even make a custom track model snapshot, thats based off a not so usable top view capture.. and place the moving cars models on top of it.
Post by: SailorSat on August 19, 2014, 06:04:45 pm
I found some kind of table in memory with the cars for all network nodes
the start at 0x5180 and seem to be 0x300 bytes long.
so "local" node starts at 0x5180
5184 - node id
519C - car y
51A0 - car z
51A4 - car x
51A8 - pitch
51AC - roll
51B4 - speed
etc.
2nd car starts at 5480
3rd car at 5780
5482 - node 2 id
549C - car 2 y
etc.
nice to know, if i replace a remote node id, it will update the rest by itself. (good for the live cam)
still have to find out how to "control" the camera.
was thinking of adding a 9th car to the table, but i don't know the format of the npc cars yet.
Post by: vandale on August 20, 2014, 03:01:09 am
So... There are still some things hardcoded (8 player setups only) for now, but I'll aiming for a public release this week.
I found some kind of table in memory with the cars for all network nodes
the start at 0x5180 and seem to be 0x300 bytes long.
so "local" node starts at 0x5180
5184 - node id
519C - car y
51A0 - car z
51A4 - car x
51A8 - pitch
51AC - roll
51B4 - speed
etc.
2nd car starts at 5480
3rd car at 5780
5482 - node 2 id
549C - car 2 y
etc.
nice to know, if i replace a remote node id, it will update the rest by itself. (good for the live cam)
still have to find out how to "control" the camera.
was thinking of adding a 9th car to the table, but i don't know the format of the npc cars yet.
Cool, I cant wait for a release. I have my 15inch LCD ready and waiting to recess into the marquee on my cab :applaud:
Post by: SailorSat on August 24, 2014, 10:59:45 am
the car table indeed contains a list of model offsets.
RAMBASE + 0x5194 = model "body"
RAMBASE + 0x53D8 = model "number"
funny enough, the game uses two models for the cars, the car body contains numbers, however they also have a transparent model with the cars number floating.
I usually overwrite RAMBASE + 53D8 with 0.
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"some" model offsets I found
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0283FBB4 - npc 00
0283FC04 - npc 1
0283FC54 - npc 2
0283FCA4 - npc 3
0283FCF4
0283FD44
0283FD94
0283FDE4
0283FE34
0283FFC4 - npc 13
02840014 - npc 15
02840064 - npc 16
028400B4 - npc 20
02840104 - npc 28
028401F4 - npc 31
02840244 - npc 32
02840294 - npc 35
028402E4 - npc 42
02840334 - npc 46
02840384 - npc 51
028403D4 - npc 53
02840424 - npc 55
02840474 - npc 62
028404C4 - npc 66
02840514 - npc 69
02840564 - npc 71
028405B4 - npc 73
02840604 - npc 77
02840654 - npc 78
028406A4 - npc 80
028406F4 - npc 82
02840924 - npc 99
02840974 - npc 69 alt
02842F1C - big purple coin
02843728 - dice
0284373C - post?
0284378C - roulette
02843944 - virtua starting lights
028439E4 - virtua stock car?!
02843B38 - GOAL!
02843E44
02843BB0 - at
02843CF0 - mt
02843E94 - pylon
0284413C - pony
...
02844394
028443A8 - gigantic guy?!
028448E4 - adv course
028448F8 - exp course
0284490C - beg course
02844934 - bird
...
02844BA0
02844E20 - crew
02844E84 - daytona lights
028458E8 - some car?
02845C44 - cockpit at
02845C58 - cockpit mt
02846D88 - car AT
02846DB0 - car MT
02848890 - car 1
028488E0 - car 2
02848930 - car 3
02848980 - car 4
028489D0 - car 5
02848A20 - car 6
02848A70 - car 7
02848AC0 - car 8
02848B24 - npc 99
0284A30C - 1P
...
0284A3AC - 1P sideways left?!
...
0284A44C - 1p sideways right?!
...
...
if anyone ever doubts daytona is based on virtua racing...
(http://images.arianchen.de/temp/virtua-daytona.png)
Post by: Jitterdoomer on August 24, 2014, 02:17:23 pm
Post by: SailorSat on August 24, 2014, 02:46:48 pm
(http://images.arianchen.de/temp/virtua-stockcar.png)
Post by: Jitterdoomer on August 24, 2014, 04:18:57 pm
Post by: SailorSat on August 25, 2014, 03:55:02 am
Last thing to figure out is where the shadow (found the model), the tires and the windshield gets drawn. Horse with wheels looks strange ;)
Also, still haven't figured out how the hood (in cockpit mode / view 2) gets colored - there needs to be a texture reference saved somewhere.
I'll upload a copy of the livecam tonight - though it still is hardcoded for 8 player setups.
I also resurrected another small tool I once made - a model 2 network recorder/player. Still use an ages old record to test my stuff at home :D
Post by: Xiaou2 on August 25, 2014, 05:45:56 pm
If the games have more checks to perform, and even the extra variable added, could possibly cause some slower gameplay and or a lot more issues with lost positional data.
Also, it may be a real pain to wait for +15 players to join and play / not play... and make all the options selections in time.
Audio echo delays may also have been a factor. Hard to say.
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 25, 2014, 07:25:37 pm
Post by: SailorSat on August 25, 2014, 08:09:34 pm
So... in this example m2lagfix will be used as a splitter
http://files.arianchen.de/daytona/m2lagfix.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/daytona/m2lagfix.zip)
http://files.arianchen.de/daytona/livestats.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/daytona/livestats.zip)
1. use "daytona usa (saturn ads)" for the spectator. this is important for livestats to find the window.
2. run the spectator in a window and set it to widescreen=1 (16/9). optional, spectator will be disorted if not 16/9
3. there is a lua script included with the livestats tool - this is needed to allow the spectator to "coin up".
4. spectator needs to be "master", "car 1" and "special" (cabinet), the other settings can be set as you like, though all machines should share them :)
5a. YOU NEED A 8 PLAYER NETWORK! IT DOES NOT WORK WITH LESS UNITS YET :)
5b. PLAYER 1 MUST NOT BE THE "HOST" OF A RACE (first person to coin up / hit start) - ALWAYS JOIN WITH PLAYER 1.
Getting the "game" running:
1. start your 8 units.
2. start m2lagfix. - if everything is fine the 8 units should sync up and go into attract mode.
Getting the "spectator" running:
1. start "daytona usa (saturn ads)"
2. start "livestats.bat" or "statsupdate.exe" / "livestats.exe" - this actually is part of my "update logic" which goes by hand for now ^^
3. livestats window should come up shortly after. NOTE: if nothing happens, most likely the "window" of daytona cannot be found.
4. spectators daytona should try to link up (THIS UNIT IS MASTER flashing) and "stop flashing" after a few seconds.
Getting the "magic" running:
1. IF m2lagfix and livestats are running correctly (= copying the network stream) the spectator game should come up with attract mode by itself.
2. "coin up" / "press start" on any of player 2 to player 8. - player 1 as well as the spectator should come up with the "do something to join in"-screen.
3. "coin up" / "press start" on player 1 - the spectator should join the game automatically (and select beginner course)
4. wait for the race to start.
m2lagfix.ini
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[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9000
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8000
m2stats section controls where to send the "copy" of the network stream, this is your livestats ip/port.
m2rx section remote ip/port = 1st daytona unit RxPort.
m2tx section local ip/port = 2nd daytona unit NextPort
stats.ini
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[client]
localhost=0.0.0.0
localport=8000
[live]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=7001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=7002
client section controls where the "copy" of the network stream is expected.
live section controls where the live stats emulator instance shall be served.
example setup
player 1 - 192.168.0.1
player 2 - 192.168.0.2
player 3 - 192.168.0.3
player 4 - 192.168.0.4
player 5 - 192.168.0.5
player 6 - 192.168.0.6
player 7 - 192.168.0.7
player 8 - 192.168.0.8
spectator - 192.168.0.10
player 1
m2network.ini
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[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.2
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
player 2
m2network.ini
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[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.3
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
player 3
m2network.ini
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.4
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
player 4
m2network.ini
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.5
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
player 5
m2network.ini
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.6
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
player 7
m2network.ini
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.8
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
player 8
m2network.ini
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9000
NextIP=192.168.0.10
NextPort=9000
FrameSync=1
spectator
m2lagfix.ini
Code: [Select]
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8001
RemoteHost=192.168.0.1
RemotePort=9000
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.10
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8000
stats.ini
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[client]
localhost=127.0.0.1
localport=8000
[live]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=7001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=7002
m2network.ini
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[Network]
RxPort=7002
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7001
FrameSync=1
Post by: SailorSat on August 25, 2014, 08:15:35 pm
The 8 player limit was probably based on some testing with regard to lag and speed.
If the games have more checks to perform, and even the extra variable added, could possibly cause some slower gameplay and or a lot more issues with lost positional data.
Also, it may be a real pain to wait for +15 players to join and play / not play... and make all the options selections in time.
Audio echo delays may also have been a factor. Hard to say.
I believe the 8 player limit comes from the memory available to the network board - it only fits 9 packets, and 1 packet is used to "rotate" the packets in memory.
I know for sure that Daytona USA 2 can run up to 16 units, though various sources on the internet claim that up to 40 are possible (which I doubt, there are not enough "car skins" in the game).
I'll try to patch the "network check" to allow more than 8 units - currently the game reboots if the network size reported is larger than 8 - however I think there will be invalid memory reads afterwards :)
Post by: Nuexzz on August 26, 2014, 04:18:09 pm
Post by: SailorSat on August 26, 2014, 04:19:31 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on August 26, 2014, 04:26:30 pm
Post by: Dozer316 on September 08, 2014, 11:16:10 am
I have a 2 player link.
Many thanks.
Post by: SailorSat on September 08, 2014, 01:10:40 pm
Post by: Dozer316 on September 08, 2014, 01:18:58 pm
Will get it running tomorrow and do some testing.
Thanks a million.
Post by: Dozer316 on September 08, 2014, 11:29:24 pm
Wrote some AHK scripts today to launch both instances of the lagfix tool and then the emulators on the 1st and 2nd machine and the tool loads fine.
I've had a look at the example m2network.ini's and m2lagfix.ini setup for the stats setup but I feel as though I'm missing something with a simple 2 player no stats setup.
Is it enough to just run the tool or do I need to point the master machine to the tool's listening ports in m2network.ini and the same on the slave so that it acts as a buffer between them?
My setup at the moment is cab1 192.168.1.244 - cab2 192.168.1.245 TX and RX port are both 9000 on cab1 and 2.
What should the m2lagfix options be set to on cab1 and cab2 to get the tool to do it's magic? :)
Thanks again for your help with this.
Dozer.
Post by: SailorSat on September 12, 2014, 06:16:27 am
I wrapped it around all of my m2em instances.
Example config for your setup below:
m2network.ini (player 1)
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini (player 1)
Code: [Select]
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.1.245
RemotePort=9000
m2network.ini (player 2)
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini (player 1)
Code: [Select]
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.1.244
RemotePort=9000
Post by: Dozer316 on September 12, 2014, 10:07:36 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on September 21, 2014, 03:42:29 am
Post by: Nuexzz on February 04, 2015, 03:22:25 am
anyone here knows how to do magic (m2lagfix) in only 1 pc and 2 instances of m2emulator ?
Post by: SailorSat on February 04, 2015, 06:58:27 am
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=8001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=8002
FrameSync=1
--- slaveCode: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=7002
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7001
FrameSync=1
--- m2lagfixCode: [Select]
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=7001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8002
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=7002
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=-1
Post by: Nuexzz on February 04, 2015, 12:21:30 pm
if someone wants to do some tests with m2lagfix online so I'll be on this server http://irc.lc/freenode/m2lagfix/user (http://irc.lc/freenode/m2lagfix/user) , if it works well we can think about doing a nice interface to communicate in races.
something?
(http://i.imgur.com/74iFeFE.jpg)
Post by: Nuexzz on February 05, 2015, 12:17:24 pm
here I leave you in attachment configurations of each machine
Post by: SailorSat on February 10, 2015, 10:57:42 am
Post by: Nuexzz on February 13, 2015, 01:57:21 am
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQeyMDK3NykksQ232xguA0M7Gq7cLL2-XX4tXuzUriJDYaeSql7)
Post by: SailorSat on February 13, 2015, 11:41:53 am
Post by: Boomslang on April 11, 2015, 08:12:33 am
Post by: SailorSat on April 11, 2015, 12:59:00 pm
Post by: Boomslang on April 12, 2015, 02:27:30 am
Post by: jacklance on August 18, 2015, 02:19:24 am
Post by: vandale on June 21, 2016, 06:11:36 am
m2lagfix was intended to be wrapped around "any" m2em instance.Hi SailorSat. Just stumbled across this and since I am upgrading my cab I decided to finally get rid of the buggy connection between my M2 units.
I wrapped it around all of my m2em instances.
Arrghhh, I cant get it to work, please check my settings. I have 2 separate machines, Gb LAN connected, currently links ok with some flickering on rival cars when not using m2lagfix.
Any help is appreciated as I cant get them to link with your wrapper
--- master
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--- slave
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--- m2lagfix
Master
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=10.0.0.2
RemotePort=9000
Slave
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=10.0.0.1
RemotePort=9000
Post by: SailorSat on June 21, 2016, 10:14:33 am
If I remember correctly, UDP on 127.0.0.1 did work fine on my Win7 development rig, but not on my XP64 rig in the cab.
m2network.ini - master
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=10.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini - master
Code: [Select]
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=10.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=10.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=10.0.0.2
RemotePort=9000
m2network.ini - slave
Code: [Select]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=10.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini - slave
Code: [Select]
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=10.0.0.2
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=10.0.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=10.0.0.1
RemotePort=9000
Post by: vandale on June 21, 2016, 07:08:54 pm
Hm... I remember running into similar issues - try replacing 127.0.0.1 with 10.0.0.1 on the master, and 10.0.0.2 on the slave
If I remember correctly, UDP on 127.0.0.1 did work fine on my Win7 development rig, but not on my XP64 rig in the cab.
Thanks I will give it a go tonight, your a star.
Post by: SailorSat on June 24, 2016, 05:35:13 am
Thanks I will give it a go tonight, your a star.
Did it work?
Post by: vandale on June 24, 2016, 03:45:28 pm
Thanks I will give it a go tonight, your a star.
Did it work?
Hi, got caught up with bg4 trying to format widescreen correctly, will have a go today
Post by: vandale on June 25, 2016, 12:56:33 am
Hi, no it didnt.Thanks I will give it a go tonight, your a star.
Did it work?
Now due to BG4 I am running the IP addresses 192.168.69.251 (Master) and 192.168.69.252 (Slave). M2 works fine in linked mode and then I try the following for m2lagfix and they just dont connect, am I doing it wrong, is there a special startup sequence? I am just running m2 then the m2lagfix exe's one after the other:
--- master
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--- slave
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--- m2lagfix
Master
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.69.252
RemotePort=9000
Slave
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.69.251
RemotePort=9000
Post by: SailorSat on June 25, 2016, 04:25:44 pm
P.S. I see myself "patching" some ROMs soon ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg)
Post by: Nuexzz on June 26, 2016, 06:50:19 pm
P.S. I see myself "patching" some ROMs soon ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg)
"but consider m2lagfix obsolete soon"
you think replacing m2lagfix for a patch for each game?
Post by: SailorSat on June 26, 2016, 08:43:15 pm
It seems the master mode is causing like 90% of all problems.
However, not every game allows to choose between master and slave - those games need to be patched :)
Post by: vandale on June 27, 2016, 05:21:40 am
Like I explained earlier, don't use 127.0.0.1 - use the local address (192.168.69.251 on master, 192.168.69.252 on slave) :(
P.S. I see myself "patching" some ROMs soon ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg)
Hi, got it working, thanks for being patient! Looking forward to your next public release. ElSemi would be so proud.
Regards
Gene
Post by: eldiego on June 27, 2016, 10:29:51 am
I'm pretty hard to learn.
Thanks
Post by: SailorSat on June 27, 2016, 05:08:59 pm
So far done:
External "Master"-Token generator and packet throttle.
--- PPS = packets per second ---
Daytona USA - shows rock solid graphics with 58 pps - cars start flickering if more than 60 pps
Indy500 - was one of the games that was basically impossible to link up with more than 2 oder 3 units - with the fake master and a packet limit of 58 pps the game stays in sync and the link stays stable. If I increase the packet limit to 60 pps (or more) the game almost instantly shows "network error".
MotorRaid - behaves basically the same as Indy500.
ManxTT - doesn't seem to care about packets at all, it just works fine with any speed.
Sega Rally - the pointers on minimap seem to flicker with 58 pps - the flickering disappears with more than 60 pps, however the countdown still goes crazy in any case.
Last but not least, Sega Touring Car does not seem to work at all - Without the tool, it simply won't link up at all - With my tool it will link up, but sit in network check forever.
--
I am pretty sure the network should be closer tied to the framerate, however I have currently no idea how exactly that is supposed to work.
Post by: Boomslang on June 28, 2016, 02:31:44 am
very cool to get link finally working in IndyCar, i was having issues with that :(
Post by: SailorSat on July 04, 2016, 08:07:51 am
Can't get it working on the actual cabinets - need to "hook" VSync and pause the emulator (which in turn slows down emulation speed).
Post by: SailorSat on July 07, 2016, 05:20:19 pm
However there still is light at the end of the tunnel :D
Small LUA patch to "disable" the infamous "NETWORK ERROR" in Indy500 and Motoraid - turns out the code has some "delay" counter going up till 0xFF, and then deeming the network unreliable. By writing 0 (read ZERO) to this counter every single frame we can be sure to never reach that value. - Not exactly the way I wanted to fix things, but still should be enough to get a "stable" 8 player setup running.
indy500d.lua
Code: [Select]
require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x00555214,0x00000000)
end
indy500.lua
Code: [Select]
require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
end
motoraid.lua
Code: [Select]
require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005195d4,0x00000000)
end
Post by: SailorSat on July 10, 2016, 03:51:30 pm
Indy 500 with the ROM patched, (but without the new link fix) works good, as long as all machines can keep up with 60 FPS. - It gets even worse than Daytona if machines can't reach full speed. - Most of the time I try to overtake an NPC car, they instantly "teleport" into my car and crash me.
With the new link fix, that doesn't happen, but the game will slow down for everybody to the lowest machines speed. (which is fine if they can run at 60fps)
I still can't get a "reasonable" netplay in Sega Rally though, even with only 2 machines and the link fix, the timers go crazy. The problem seems to be buried deeper inside the network boards.
Haven't tried other games yet.
Post by: vandale on July 11, 2016, 01:23:30 am
Post by: SailorSat on July 11, 2016, 02:34:38 pm
Post by: SailorSat on August 28, 2016, 11:42:13 am
Post by: baritonomarchetto on August 28, 2016, 04:00:38 pm
Post by: buttersoft on September 02, 2016, 12:38:19 am
Post by: eldiego on October 30, 2016, 06:18:53 pm
Master
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.1.3
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.1.110
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.1.110
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.1.3
RemotePort=9000
Slave
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.1.110
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.1.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.1.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.1.110
RemotePort=9000
I have only 2 cabs connected via lan, Ip master 192.168.1.110 ip slave 192.168.1.3
Please If anybody can help me.
Thanks
Post by: Boomslang on October 30, 2016, 11:49:26 pm
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.1.3
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
Slave
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.1.110
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
m2 network should look like that on each machine. Read back on SailorSat instructions earlier in this thread
Post by: eldiego on October 31, 2016, 12:14:45 am
Master
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.1.3
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
Slave
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.1.110
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
m2 network should look like that on each machine. Read back on SailorSat instructions earlier in this thread
Ok tomorrow will try.
I read 10 times or more but i m not ever understand...for the english i supose.
Thanks
Post by: eldiego on October 31, 2016, 05:42:39 pm
Post by: FaithLes2425 on July 28, 2017, 10:59:22 pm
What cabels are required?
Can i run through a switch/router or do i need a crossover?
Are there any limits to the lenght of the cabel/cabels?
Post by: SailorSat on July 29, 2017, 11:57:49 am
You can (in theorie) even use it online.
Post by: buttersoft on July 31, 2017, 12:59:22 am
Post by: Boomslang on August 13, 2017, 01:56:41 am
I used to have this working with ease which is the annoying part. It works if i bypass the m2lagfix program so it's not a network problem
Can someone please post a working m2network and m2lagfix ini files to work across 2-4 machines? I must be doing something dumb but I can't work it out
I can't even connect between 2 machines at the moment, let alone 4
I used to have it using just m2lagfix on the Master machine so I didn't have to load m2lagfix on every slave as well
Post by: FaithLes2425 on August 14, 2017, 10:46:23 am
Master: 192.168.1.86
Slave: 192:168.1.238
Post by: Boomslang on February 17, 2018, 04:00:49 pm
I was messing with m2 emulator and found a way to link up in Sega Touring Car Championship. But only 2 player so far, can't seem to get it working 4 player yet
obviously set up game as per usual with master as Car 1 and slave as Car 2. Exit the test mode at the same time on both pcs
Will connect and go ingame and work properly! :cheers:
sometimes it did freeze on the connected screen however and never load attract mode which resulted in me having to exit and try again
Now previously we were kinda doing this but we only went to test menu and back out on the master and we never did it with slave which resulted in some conflict id happening sometimes and once they went ingame they didn't even seem to link up as you would press start and nothing popped up on other pc etc
I tried this 4 player too before, but could never get the attract mode to load after trying 4-5 times with my wife. Exiting test mode at same time always resulted in them connecting and just staying on that screen
Post by: Agent47 on February 17, 2018, 05:05:28 pm
Post by: Boomslang on February 17, 2018, 05:18:17 pm
Works fine for me, I see the other car on each pc etc ingame
Not that it should matter, set Freeplay on both. That's what I did
Also you obviously have to go into test menu and exit out of test menu at the exact same time. If you don't then it can do as you said
Post by: buttersoft on February 18, 2018, 09:13:58 pm
Post by: Friko on March 14, 2018, 08:18:20 pm
Great find! I just tried this and was able to connect with 2 players linked. The attract mode screen says 2 players wanted and when one player inserts a coin, the second screen goes to the "waiting entry" screen like normal. However, when I start a 2 player race, I don't see the other player and even the count down timer is not synced between the two sessions. It's like we are playing single player on a linked machine. I have the ID's set to Car 1 and Car 2 and changed the cabinet type to "twin" on both PC's. Strange....
I believe m2lagfix only works for 8 players
I was hoping SailorSat would release a customizable version so we can select between 2-8 cars.
Post by: SailorSat on March 14, 2018, 11:01:39 pm
I was workin on an external "sync" tool... some time ago - but never finished it.
I used it to create some "in sync" teasers on youtube. (see this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqSSTjN7Mg))
The main problem is the m2em itself - in master mode it sends out "too many" frames, which causes the clients to mix up stuff.
There are actually two ways to "fix" this (without altering the emulator, which I might try next).
Path #1 - fix the frame order/count (which m2lagfix tries to some success)
Path #2 - patch the netcode in the ROMs (so that the game is slave in any case) and go with the external init (like in the videos). this has been done for sega rally
Post by: buttersoft on March 15, 2018, 09:33:37 pm
:)
Post by: SailorSat on March 17, 2018, 02:06:24 am
Post by: Boomslang on March 17, 2018, 03:22:21 am
Hm... Even with frame perfect sync, the timers in Sega Rally are all over the place. And I still can't get STCC to link up at all - It says "network check success" but never goes to attract mode.
gonna bump this post since it's relevant
I was messing with m2 emulator and found a way to link up in Sega Touring Car Championship. But only 2 player so far, can't seem to get it working 4 player yet
obviously set up game as per usual with master as Car 1 and slave as Car 2. Exit the test mode at the same time on both pcs
Will connect and go ingame and work properly! :cheers:
sometimes it did freeze on the connected screen however and never load attract mode which resulted in me having to exit and try again
Now previously we were kinda doing this but we only went to test menu and back out on the master and we never did it with slave which resulted in some conflict id happening sometimes and once they went ingame they didn't even seem to link up as you would press start and nothing popped up on other pc etc
I tried this 4 player too before, but could never get the attract mode to load after trying 4-5 times with my wife. Exiting test mode at same time always resulted in them connecting and just staying on that screen
Post by: SailorSat on March 18, 2018, 12:42:33 pm
So I can get STCC to link up using the previous mentioned method (service mode) pretty reliable.
However for some unknown reason there seem to be various "new" problems.
With my external master tool the network stays synched enough to drive an entire race - But the performance drops to about 45 fps.
Without my modifications, the game stays at 59fps, but looses sync pretty quickly.
Guess it's time for some dynamic delays in my tool then.
Post by: buttersoft on March 18, 2018, 06:49:57 pm
It never worked for me on my test PC, the sync occasionally came up, and you could see the JP screen where it says 2 players are possible, but things would go wrong before you could get into a race. That was on a Win7 build.
Last night I did the qualifying lap on each machine, one timing out, of course, and then drove a race lap and ran into the back of the 2p car, then drove the 2p car back to unlap itself, and around for a bit, and that far everything seemed to be in sync across the two cabs. This is on two Win10 builds, though the OS may not mean as much as using it across two machines and LAN rather than two ports on the one machine?
I might try it with WaveRunner at some point, as i'd like to get that running too :)
Post by: SailorSat on March 19, 2018, 08:56:15 pm
After several hours of experiments I can say - Fixing the network will be a pain in the ass.
If I limit the Network to 58 FPS (which will cause slight audio stutter) the network stays perfectly in sync (and flicker free) in Daytona, Indy500, Motoraid and STCC - But the timer goes absolutely wild in Sega Rally.
On the other hand, if I "unchain" the Network FPS - At about 240 FPS (that means 4 network cycles per video frame) Sega Rally works fine, but Daytona is flickering like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, and the others show a network error pretty quick.
Guess it will be back to MAME for a while - In MAME the games seem to work better, no flickering and no link problems in Indy500 or STCC, but Sega Rally is not working correctly either.
I really need to figure out the network stuff...
Most likely the network needs to be "in sync" on scanline 383 (the VBLANK-IRQ is triggered at this point) as most games start to write the network data on scanline 384 and read the network data on scanlines 385 to 387.
Post by: buttersoft on March 19, 2018, 11:41:03 pm
Post by: SailorSat on March 20, 2018, 04:08:38 am
I didn't actually realise model 2 was playable in MAME at this point, i'll have to give it a look. Cheers for the heads up, SailorSat, and always keen to hear more about what you're working on!It does for M2, M2A and M2B - although my i7 has trouble keeping 100% speed :)
M2C has no 3D output.
Post by: SailorSat on March 20, 2018, 04:00:35 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhTwpV8TuyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhTwpV8TuyU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59O4wk8DyWk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59O4wk8DyWk)
I'm still impressed on how far we got...
Post by: SailorSat on March 20, 2018, 08:00:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDCV5uIx9I&index=14&list=PLcApqXpkuyTeEyVygBUsJ9Oc3xlwU7AOw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDCV5uIx9I&index=14&list=PLcApqXpkuyTeEyVygBUsJ9Oc3xlwU7AOw)
Post by: Nuexzz on March 20, 2018, 10:18:34 pm
Post by: buttersoft on March 20, 2018, 11:33:44 pm
Post by: SailorSat on March 21, 2018, 01:42:56 am
Haha, that's awesome. Sadly my cabs have Core2Duo E8500 cpu's, so model2 isn't going to run well through MAME :/Same for me :)
haha awesome !! Is the network more stable with one instance of each emulator?Maybe - MAME as master and M2EM running slaves only seems to be much more reliable.
Sadly the games I want to test (mainly STCC) don't work in MAME at all, as there is no 3d emulation on model 2c yet.
Post by: Nuexzz on March 21, 2018, 10:15:02 pm
Post by: dgrace on April 22, 2018, 05:48:11 pm
[network]
Rxport=1978
NextIP=192.168.0.89
NextPort=1979
And here is what I have in my second PC/Slave computer:
[network]
Rxport=1979
NextIP=192.168.0.91
NextPort=1978
I still get network errors on my Master computer. Even with all my real time AV scan and firewalls turned off. Hmmmmm? Not sure what else I can do with that. When I set it to single cabinet (Daytona USA) it works fine, but when I set to slave or master I get network error ("Network board not present"). Any idea what else it could be? I imagine I messed up my ini file above. The NextIPs are both computer's IP addresses. Thanks
Post by: buttersoft on April 23, 2018, 10:38:44 pm
Assuming you have only two computers C1 and C2, with network addresses IP1 and IP2 respectively, you want to set the m2network.ini file on C1 to point to IP2 - using the nextIP line, of course. Then the same line on C2 to point to the next IP in the ring, or, because this is the last computer in your ring of two, you set it to point to the IP of the first computer - so IP1.
MrThunderwing actually just posted this info elsewhere, though this is probably a better place for it here.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,157120.msg1650952.html#msg1650952 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,157120.msg1650952.html#msg1650952)
Post by: BigPanik on April 26, 2018, 08:14:37 am
Does someone else observe this issue? Does m3lagfix solve this problem?
Thanks
Post by: SailorSat on April 26, 2018, 04:16:40 pm
I have a fix for that, though it has yet to mature into a "stable" tool :)
Post by: BigPanik on April 27, 2018, 10:27:21 am
Could you explain the cause?
Post by: buttersoft on April 29, 2018, 07:21:34 pm
Post by: Boomslang on May 01, 2018, 05:07:57 am
Damn... Sometimes I should start from scratch. Turns out I patched around to much in the netcode to get it booting xD
So I can get STCC to link up using the previous mentioned method (service mode) pretty reliable.
However for some unknown reason there seem to be various "new" problems.
With my external master tool the network stays synched enough to drive an entire race - But the performance drops to about 45 fps.
Without my modifications, the game stays at 59fps, but looses sync pretty quickly.
Guess it's time for some dynamic delays in my tool then.
did you have any luck with trying to get STCC to work with more then 2 Players? I can get it to work 2p but never 4p
Post by: Boomslang on November 15, 2018, 07:36:05 pm
Wave Runner works with the stcc method posted above incase anyone was wanting that game to work over network
Post by: buttersoft on November 19, 2018, 05:40:52 pm
Post by: Boomslang on December 09, 2018, 04:46:57 am
I've finally coded it up over the weekend which was a massive pain to get working right but have it working really well for 2p,3p and 4p setups so far
Just start race as normal and everything happens automatically as soon as race starts, also made the results screen at end work correctly
One side effect is the AI cars are coloured like normal multiplayer cars as opposed to the normal purple but otherwise it seems to work pretty good
Post by: buttersoft on December 09, 2018, 06:00:56 pm
Post by: Boomslang on December 09, 2018, 06:42:27 pm
What game was that for, Boomslang?
Oh sorry
Daytona USA
Here's a bad video I did ages ago of it before I coded it up properly last couple days
https://youtu.be/zGjHmrXk8dc
Post by: baritonomarchetto on December 10, 2018, 01:43:27 am
Post by: Boomslang on December 11, 2018, 04:21:18 am
heres what it looks like now when 4p
https://youtu.be/VcoWmcN8hZw
Post by: SailorSat on December 11, 2018, 03:19:02 pm
Post by: Maillouski on January 14, 2019, 10:22:18 am
I owned a Twin Cab Daytona USA for 8 years. 8 years of fun and fixing the damn thing ;D
I have the idea of making a new single cab using a PC, or maybe reuse a non-working original Daytona USA cab and converting it.
Has anybody have experience in converting cabs ? If I understand correctly, @SailorSat does ?
Post by: XSFDriver on January 15, 2019, 05:41:29 am
I've been reading this particular thread over and over, trying to get my head around most of it. I've succeeded in hooking up two PC's with Model 2 running Daytona, but man, these guys take it to another level.... for example, check out this one of Sailorsat's threads :notworthy:, I think it might be what you're after...
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,145000.0.html?PHPSESSID=p7c5gtsrpp06beuget5r34ebs3 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,145000.0.html?PHPSESSID=p7c5gtsrpp06beuget5r34ebs3)
...and that's just the start of it.
...Anyway, Hi to all, and thanks heaps for all your hard work... If there's anything I can help with, please ask, but I hate to say, from what I've read on this site so far, I doubt I could be much of a trail blazer :lol
Cheers :cheers:
Post by: AMG KC on April 21, 2019, 02:15:55 am
Ah so you feed the car data into memory directly. Pretty neat idea. Keep it up :)Hi :) I have a few questions to add.
Im a bit muddled on what the status of Indy 500 multiplayer is, will it run well now and be completely playable?
What is the best way to run it with 3-5 players?
How do i run that lua file you made for it?
Do you find XP x64 runs better for this or other Windows versions?
Post by: Hydreigon on April 21, 2019, 10:53:18 am
Running Indy 500 multiplayer (or any model 2 game) would most likely require that m2lagfix. Speak of m2lagfix, I would like to know the current progress on that (or a new version of m2emu updated for later operating systems). Sadly, the only way to run these Model 2B or 2C games is to exit test mode at the same time. Very finicky network coding atm.Ah so you feed the car data into memory directly. Pretty neat idea. Keep it up :)Hi :) I have a few questions to add.
Im a bit muddled on what the status of Indy 500 multiplayer is, will it run well now and be completely playable?
What is the best way to run it with 3-5 players?
How do i run that lua file you made for it?
Do you find XP x64 runs better for this or other Windows versions?
Post by: MrThunderwing on April 21, 2019, 12:13:13 pm
Post by: Nuexzz on April 21, 2019, 04:22:26 pm
Running Indy 500 multiplayer (or any model 2 game) would most likely require that m2lagfix. Speak of m2lagfix, I would like to know the current progress on that (or a new version of m2emu updated for later operating systems). Sadly, the only way to run these Model 2B or 2C games is to exit test mode at the same time. Very finicky network coding atm.Ah so you feed the car data into memory directly. Pretty neat idea. Keep it up :)Hi :) I have a few questions to add.
Im a bit muddled on what the status of Indy 500 multiplayer is, will it run well now and be completely playable?
What is the best way to run it with 3-5 players?
How do i run that lua file you made for it?
Do you find XP x64 runs better for this or other Windows versions?
you have all the reason that it will have to be "automated" but also I am more than sure that we are advanced in question of "nowadays we can do it" many years passed and it is time to work on it.
I'm ready for whatever
Post by: Boomslang on April 22, 2019, 03:52:07 pm
I've got it somewhere so I'll try post it
At least 4 players works fine now with it
Post by: AMG KC on April 23, 2019, 01:58:24 am
Theres a lua fix to indy 500 that Sailorsat madeYeah mate i found that worked too, i dont know if im using m2lagfix or not, no idea how to tell if it is working or if the emulators are still just talking direct and ignoring the lagfax file.
I've got it somewhere so I'll try post it
At least 4 players works fine now with it
Be nice if we could get it all to run as smooth and synced as Sega Racing Classic does!
Post by: XSFDriver on May 13, 2019, 04:46:04 am
Theres a lua fix to indy 500 that Sailorsat made
I've got it somewhere so I'll try post it
At least 4 players works fine now with it
That'd be appreciated, if you could, please Boomslang.... I'm slowly collecting hardware to put a 4 Player system together in the future... and Indy 500 is one of the main Model 2 games I'd like to run on it (Don't want to know how much $$$ I pumped into that machine in the arcade back in the day).
But... until then... just reading and learning... and collecting stuff to try out when I get time... and a new garage to set it up in :lol
Thanks again to all of you who put all this effort into making these old classics more manageable on what we have access to today, Cheers.. :cheers:
Post by: AMG KC on May 13, 2019, 05:39:05 am
Post by: vandale on June 07, 2019, 10:41:17 pm
Theres a lua fix to indy 500 that Sailorsat made
I've got it somewhere so I'll try post it
At least 4 players works fine now with it
Gday mate, I am hoping you can help with my lua file for indy500. Currently its this:
require("model2")
function Init()
end
function Frame()
local state = I960_ReadByte(0x202098);
local state2 = I960_ReadByte(0x20209C);
local state3 = I960_ReadByte(0x2020AC);
if state==3 and state2==5 and state3==1 then
Model2_SetWideScreen(0)
else
Model2_SetWideScreen(1)
end
end
And I need to add this:
require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
end
do I simply paste it in like this?
require("model2")
function Init()
end
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
local state = I960_ReadByte(0x202098);
local state2 = I960_ReadByte(0x20209C);
local state3 = I960_ReadByte(0x2020AC);
if state==3 and state2==5 and state3==1 then
Model2_SetWideScreen(0)
else
Model2_SetWideScreen(1)
end
end
Ive tried and it doesn't work :embarassed:
Please help.
Thanks
Post by: SailorSat on June 08, 2019, 03:05:57 pm
Post by: vandale on June 09, 2019, 07:01:20 pm
Hm... That should work. Do you get any error?The game won’t link at all, I get network error immediately after the screen that says master and slaves, nodes etc. if I remove the code from the script then it works fine and links but fails like it used to randomly.
Am I meant to run lagfix and the script together?
Thanks
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Post by: SailorSat on June 10, 2019, 09:48:18 am
I have "FrameSync=1" in "m2network.ini" and the script.
Other than that I didn't change anything.
Post by: vandale on June 10, 2019, 03:30:43 pm
Hm... Then I can't help.Do I still need to run lagfix also or does it only need the script and framesync to work?
I have "FrameSync=1" in "m2network.ini" and the script.
Other than that I didn't change anything.
Thanks
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Post by: vandale on June 11, 2019, 08:49:57 pm
Hm... Then I can't help.
I have "FrameSync=1" in "m2network.ini" and the script.
Other than that I didn't change anything.
Please post a copy of your LUA with widescreen and network fix.
Thanks
Post by: XSFDriver on June 15, 2019, 09:26:17 am
...Anyway, I'm no programmer (only done a bit of "Basic" YEARS AGO), but I'm trying to get my head around the .lua scripts and how they work/what they do... I've been reading the "model2lua.txt" trying to understand the contexts, layouts of these. Also checked out the .lua scripts of other roms that were packaged in with Model2 1.1a (not that I get what they mean, but I gotta start somewhere)..... and was wondering, what this section of your lua script does exactly?-
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
end
Also, to you others who do coding, I've done a little research, but can you tell me if I'm on the right track (or not)... are the .lua scripts written in "C" programming format or something else? I can see a BIG learning curve coming up for me.
I know that I might come across as a bit of a noobie with this, but I gotta start somewhere, to understand whats going on in the background, if I'm gunna get this 4 player Model 2 system up and running in the future sometime (and mess with it's head), and I would like to help with SOME input in the future here, if possible.
Cheers.
Post by: vandale on June 15, 2019, 05:47:10 pm
G'day Vandale, was wonderin'... (from your "G'Day mate" earlier), and was wondering, what this section of your lua script does exactly?-Gday mate, haha, yes I’m in little ol New Zealand. So is Boomslang.
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
I wouldn’t have a clue about lua scripts and how they work. Earlier in this thread sailorsat provided the script line to assist with network errors in indy500.
I think I’m not putting it in the script correctly as it makes the network worse when I use it.
Hopefully sailorsat or boomslang or Howard or one of the other true geniuses can answer your other questions.
Chur
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Post by: 2huwman on June 16, 2019, 06:07:13 am
So ages ago I mucked around with a hack to make network work while including AI positions
I've finally coded it up over the weekend which was a massive pain to get working right but have it working really well for 2p,3p and 4p setups so far
Just start race as normal and everything happens automatically as soon as race starts, also made the results screen at end work correctly
One side effect is the AI cars are coloured like normal multiplayer cars as opposed to the normal purple but otherwise it seems to work pretty good
Would love to try this - do you have a download for the hack available please?
Post by: XSFDriver on June 16, 2019, 07:56:00 am
"Gday mate, haha, yes I’m in little ol New Zealand. So is Boomslang.
I wouldn’t have a clue about lua scripts and how they work. Earlier in this thread sailorsat provided the script line to assist with network errors in indy500. "
Cool, just a stones throw across the pond ;D ...Me and the Mrs. want to go there sometime (I'll have to ask ya's where the good arcades are, when we go 8))
And thanks for the reply Vandale... I went back and re-read page 4 of this thread (for about the 6th time)
...so you're using the "Indianapolis500 (Rev A, Deluxe)" rom yeah? I'm curious about the "Patched Indy500 Rom" that Sailorsat mentioned in that section. The 4 PC's I've got shouldn't have any issues running at 60FPS as I've already collected heaps of matched ram and 1GB graphics cards for them, they'll all be identical so they should all run at the same performance.
Man, reading this stuff makes me want to get it all out of storage and start hookin' things up... just don't have the space at the mo'... I'm currently doing a full resto' of my car AND trying to get a few things sorted out on the house... but, one day. ::)
Cheers :cheers:
Post by: SailorSat on June 20, 2019, 04:25:27 pm
m2emulator 1.1a - "Indianapolis 500 (Rev A, Twin, Newer rev)"
m2network.ini (master)
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=7001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7002
FrameSync=1
m2network.ini (slave)
Code: [Select]
[Network]
RxPort=7002
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7001
FrameSync=1
indy500.lua (master and slave)
Code: [Select]
require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Init()
end
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
Model2_SetWideScreen(1)
end
works like charm
Post by: Hydreigon on June 22, 2019, 01:20:43 pm
Post by: XSFDriver on June 23, 2019, 08:07:06 am
m2emulator 1.1a - "Indianapolis 500 (Rev A, Twin, Newer rev)"
m2network.ini (master)
Code: [Select]
[Network]
Framesync=1 ; test for stopping flickering cars
RxPort=1978
NextIP=192.168.1.2 ; sends info to this ip
NextPort=1978m2network.ini (slave)
Code: [Select]
[Network]
Framesync=1 ; test for stopping flickering cars
RxPort=1978
NextIP=192.168.1.1 ; sends info to this ip
NextPort=1978...and NOW with your .lua script on both:
indy500.lua (master and slave)
Code: [Select]
require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Init()
end
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
Model2_SetWideScreen(1)
end...at first, I had the two PC's just hooked up with a crossover cable, then I hooked them up with normal network cables and a router, but with both attempts I can NOW network them successfully and play the game linked, but I still get flickering rival cars (same on Daytona USA). :banghead:
Is there something I'm missing or do you think it's the two primitive PC's I've used for the test?
PC 1:
MOBO: Intel D945GTP
CPU: Intel Pentium "D945" (early Dual Core) 3.4GHz
Ram: 3Gb
GPU: Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS 512Mb
OS: XP SP2 32bit
PC 2:
MOBO: Intel D865GLC
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Hyperthreaded) 3.0GHz
Ram: 4Gb
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP 512Mb
OS: XP SP2 32bit
I've been reading this thread over and over, trying to learn more and be able to mess with these things myself. I was thinking maybe your "M2Lagfix.exe" might help this glitch?
...Any help or guidance to understand what's going on would be greatly appreciated, I know you're busy with lots of projects though.
Cheers. :cheers:
Post by: vandale on June 23, 2019, 04:38:15 pm
So... I just tried it (again).
…….works like charm
Thanks heaps
Post by: XSFDriver on June 24, 2019, 07:30:08 am
So it turned out, I cannot hook the vsync the way I wanted to do.
However there still is light at the end of the tunnel :D
Small LUA patch to "disable" the infamous "NETWORK ERROR" in Indy500 and Motoraid - turns out the code has some "delay" counter going up till 0xFF, and then deeming the network unreliable. By writing 0 (read ZERO) to this counter every single frame we can be sure to never reach that value. - Not exactly the way I wanted to fix things, but still should be enough to get a "stable" 8 player setup running.
indy500d.luaCode: [Select]require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x00555214,0x00000000)
end
indy500.luaCode: [Select]require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
end
motoraid.luaCode: [Select]require("model2"); -- Import model2 machine globals
function Frame()
I960_WriteDWord(0x005195d4,0x00000000)
end
OK... so this is to set this "delay" counter to 0...to go around this network error...just curious...by what way do you find this address/value in each rom? Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
E.G. I960_WriteDWord(0x005ec6b0,0x00000000)
^^^^^^^
Cheers. :cheers:
Post by: SailorSat on June 24, 2019, 10:25:25 am
Taking notes, more debug... once in a while feeling funny and changing some memory values on the fly :D
Post by: XSFDriver on June 25, 2019, 09:16:28 am
Cheers. :cheers:
Post by: gareth_iowc on November 26, 2019, 07:25:05 pm
Post by: vandale on October 13, 2021, 09:37:04 pm
Yes - next step will be replacing that hardcoded stuff with dynamic values.
Hi Sailorsat.
Ive finally setup a live screen on my twin daytona and was curious if you ever added the dynamic values to allow just a 2 player setup with live link?
Many thanks
Post by: SailorSat on October 16, 2021, 11:43:26 pm
I did a lot of additions, but I'm not sure if it works in a 2-player setup correctly.
Post by: Nuexzz on October 17, 2021, 11:53:26 pm
Post by: vandale on October 19, 2021, 03:52:22 am
would be great to try with 2 players ;D
I agree. I have Sega Rally and Daytona 2 running the live system and its awesome!!!
Post by: vandale on October 19, 2021, 03:53:34 am
To be honest - I don't remember :D
I did a lot of additions, but I'm not sure if it works in a 2-player setup correctly.
Ok thats cool, Im willing to have a play around with the software on my twin, where can I acquire your scripts etc?
Thanks
Post by: MrThunderwing on October 21, 2021, 09:00:13 am
If you add an extra Sega Rally machine into your Model 2 Network, I think it'll automatically default to a live cam if no one's playing on it. I did some single PC 3 player games of Sega Rally awhile back, but I opened the emulators up in a 4P network, so that when I used the desktop option to 'display windows side-by-side' it kept them in the right aspect ratio. The player 4 window turned into a live cam, and I can't recall actually changing anything in the test menu to make it do that. This is all without lagfix or any scripts BTW.
Post by: SailorSat on October 22, 2021, 03:43:07 am
If you add an extra Sega Rally machine into your Model 2 Network, I think it'll automatically default to a live cam if no one's playing on it.Yup, I think Indy 500 and STCC do the same - they switch between attract mode and "live cam" every 30 seconds or something like that.
Post by: vandale on October 25, 2021, 04:15:12 am
Hey, I'm just jumping in here having just skimmed through the recent comments in the thread, but for Daytona USA 2 if you want a live cam, all you need to do is add an extra machine in to your network and configure it as a live cam in the test menu.
If you add an extra Sega Rally machine into your Model 2 Network, I think it'll automatically default to a live cam if no one's playing on it. I did some single PC 3 player games of Sega Rally awhile back, but I opened the emulators up in a 4P network, so that when I used the desktop option to 'display windows side-by-side' it kept them in the right aspect ratio. The player 4 window turned into a live cam, and I can't recall actually changing anything in the test menu to make it do that. This is all without lagfix or any scripts BTW.
Yup Im running both those games in live mode. Its Daytona I want to add though and the information and files seem very illusive.
Post by: Sixfortyfive on October 27, 2021, 05:13:48 am
Anyway, I'm trying to set up a full count of 8 Daytona game sessions plus a spectator on one computer, just for the sake of testing for now. The 8 actual game sessions are fully booting and running correctly, which suggests that the lagfix tool is configured correctly, but the spectator session gets stuck on the "NETWORK CHECKING" screen and never advances, and I can't figure out the cause. For what it's worth, the stats program does seem to correctly identify the instance of the emulator that is meant for spectating; the overlay wraps around that specific emulator window.
These are all of the config files:
(https://i.imgur.com/5Uoq6pW.png)
The top 8 docs are the m2network settings for each of the 8 player stations.
On the bottom, the first doc is the m2network settings for the spectator station, followed by the config files for the stats and lagfix tools.
On the player stations, car 1 is set to Master and the rest to Slave. The spectator station is also set to Master and car 1; it wasn't clear to me whether this was correct or not.
All other game settings are identical between emulators, and they're all running the "Saturn ads" version of the game. The cabinet type is set to "Special" for all of them.
All IP addresses in these files are set to localhost since it's all running on one PC at the moment.
Did I mess up the port assignments somewhere or is something else the cause?
EDIT: Also, uh, when I started messing around with these tools, my laptop keyboard's Windows key stopped working. If I plug in a USB keyboard or use the Win10 OSD keyboard, the key functions fine on those. I've tried several googled suggestions for fixing this but no luck. I guess there's a chance that this might be an unrelated hardware failure but just throwing this out there.
Post by: SailorSat on October 27, 2021, 05:56:25 am
Post by: vandale on October 27, 2021, 11:51:15 pm
I'll try to get my lazy ass up and check the stuff and provide some instructions on how to use it.
Yay!!!!!!!!! :applaud:
Post by: SailorSat on October 28, 2021, 05:54:47 am
Anyway...
Notes for "same machine use":
- run the main emulators using "emulator_multicpu.exe"
- run the live spectator using "emulator.exe" (because is checked first).
The LiveStats will use the "last active" window called "Daytona USA (Saturn Ads)".
It uses two "full screen" windows - if there is no second screen, the map view can't be seen.
!! DON'T start a race with Car No.1 !! - Start with any other car and have Car No. 1 join in.
Speed will always be shown as km/h (sorry folks ;))
Tested with 2, 4 and 8 players. (other sizes should work too.)
Post by: Sixfortyfive on October 28, 2021, 12:06:39 pm
EDIT: PLEASE MUTE THIS VIDEO LOL. Seems that OBS didn't use my desktop volume setting, so you get 9 copies of Mitsuyoshi belting the attract demo at you.
Here's a video of what I'm doing and seeing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w18P3EumslE)
I made another attempt with a full 8 players, and then another attempt where I left the spectator emulator in fullscreen. Same result.
These are my config files:
(https://i.imgur.com/9n93Pdx.png)
EDIT 2: Oh, of course. If I insert coin on the spectator machine then the stats hook into that station correctly. So nevermind, for the most part.
The spectator station's HUD still spreads out across the whole monitor instead of staying confined to the emulator window, but I assume that's just a limitation of the program?
Post by: SailorSat on October 28, 2021, 01:02:35 pm
I guess you are missing the patch-script for the special inputs.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/daytonas.lua
Post by: Sixfortyfive on October 28, 2021, 01:43:35 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/4y5x5oz.png)
Ah... I see...I did have a version of this; just forgot to put it in the scripts folder for the spectator. But now I'm getting the above error whether I have a script in the folder or not.
I guess you are missing the patch-script for the special inputs.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/daytonas.lua
EDIT: In any case, here's what it looked like while I had it working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUTMqdtcLA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUTMqdtcLA)
EDIT: I consistently get that bug on the spectator station if I hold the VR4 button during the part in the attract demo where it lets you change views.
EDIT: Fixed it by deleting the spectator emulator's NVRAM and reconfiguring it from scratch. :)
Can the control panel tool be feasibly run from a single PC setup?
Post by: anchounio on November 12, 2021, 01:58:50 pm
The network is not stable on those games too, as well as indy500 or motoraid without the lua scripts
Post by: Daytonafan1984 on December 02, 2021, 09:28:55 pm
Post by: SailorSat on December 04, 2021, 04:58:29 am
As for the 1p issue - well, thats sadly not possile right now. maybe later ;D
Post by: Daytonafan1984 on December 05, 2021, 08:06:40 pm
I look forward to the 1p race start fix :)
Post by: holmes on January 05, 2022, 05:06:42 pm
OK, here is my stupid question: if I only want to have a 2 player session + AI cars without livecam, on a single PC or using 2 PCS, is it relevant to use m2lagfix?
Should I use the zip files provided in post #110 or should I use the files from Sailorsat's github (daytona-utils/src)? There seems to be a lot of files in there and it is not obvious to me which ones to use.
Thank you for your help
Post by: gareth_iowc on February 17, 2022, 02:21:32 pm
I have 4 emulators running with lagfix no issues but as soon as i open stats it crashes.
I'm opening in order
Code: [Select]
Emulator 1
Master
Car 1
[Network]
RxPort=15612
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=15613
FrameSync=1Code: [Select]
Emulator 2
Slave
Car 2
[Network]
RxPort=7002
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7003
FrameSync=1Code: [Select]
Emulator 3
Slave
Car 3
[Network]
RxPort=7003
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7004
FrameSync=1Code: [Select]
Emulator 4
Slave
Car 4
[Network]
RxPort=7004
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=7001
FrameSync=1Code: [Select]
Sats Emulator
Slave
Car 2
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=8002
FrameSync=1
Code: [Select]
Lagfix
[network]
localhost=127.0.0.1
localport=7001
remotehost=127.0.0.1
remoteport=7002
[emulator]
host=127.0.0.1
localport=15613
remoteport=15612
[stats]
remotehost=127.0.0.1
remoteport=8000
Code: [Select]
Stats
[client]
localhost=0.0.0.0
localport=8000
[live]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
Is that stats emulator set to master or slave in game?
Post by: dgrace on November 08, 2022, 03:40:31 pm
Post by: buttersoft on November 08, 2022, 05:50:33 pm
Finally got Daytona and Motoraid Network/LAN running pretty smoothly using two separate PCs. I'm still struggling to get Wave Runner to link consistently. I can only get them to link up maybe 25% of the time. Otherwise I either get a "network error" or "checking internet connection". Is anyone aware of any tricks or tips on linking Wave Runner consistently (i.e. lua script)? Thanks a bunch
Not sure what you've already tried, but for some model2 games in two player I find going into the test menu's and exiting again at the right time will help them link. Some games you exit the master half a second before the slave, some the slave half a second before the master. There's probably a way to automate the process. This is without using Sailorsat's patch though, no idea what effect that would have.
EDIT: This is exactly what Buno is showing below. And i should have typed "test menu's" not "text menu's". Have updated now :)
Post by: xbrunox on November 09, 2022, 11:31:33 am
Finally got Daytona and Motoraid Network/LAN running pretty smoothly using two separate PCs. I'm still struggling to get Wave Runner to link consistently. I can only get them to link up maybe 25% of the time. Otherwise I either get a "network error" or "checking internet connection". Is anyone aware of any tricks or tips on linking Wave Runner consistently (i.e. lua script)? Thanks a bunch
sorry is in italian..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vVva_ttXXg&t=1950s
look at min 8:30
Post by: MrThunderwing on November 10, 2022, 06:14:15 pm
Post by: PL1 on November 10, 2022, 06:32:45 pm
What's the deal with that crazy wide 3 monitor cabinet? I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before.That's Bruno's "YATTACAB".
- There are lots of pics in his Project Announcement thread here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,163833.0.html).
- The other cab in the video is his "MAZINCAB" which is also mentioned in that thread.
Scott
Post by: Maillouski on March 04, 2023, 09:05:37 pm
Post by: buttersoft on March 05, 2023, 12:39:03 am
Post by: SailorSat on March 15, 2023, 09:46:24 am
Post by: Billkwando on July 19, 2023, 02:25:21 pm
I recently had to order a new racing seat, because my new G29 wheel has a giant pedal board that won't fit on my playseat (original, from 20 years ago) seen here, in the top right corner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Jer5xDbOM
So now, I'm going to have 2 seats and 2 FFB wheels. I ordered a monitor stand for the old playseat (2nd player) and before I shell out on a big monitor, build a new 4 speed shifter (bought the 2nd happ cruisin stick already) and buy a used PC on ebay, I figured I'd better check on the state of things.
Is it possible to run Daytona smoothly on 2 PCs? My understanding is I only need the lag fix on the master machine, correct? I hear everyone talking about live cam but I'm not sure what that is. If I just want to run 2 players and have the audio and everything sync up nicely, what do I need?
Should I download the lagfix from the Github address? I originally saw a link to it in a youtube video pointing to a .de site, but Firefox kept blocking it like a virus or something.
I am at your mercy, gentlefolk, so please help me start my engines! ;)
Also, here's a cheery Mitsuyoshi to brighten your day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J9ffRgADRU
Thanks!!!!
EDIT: Also, I can't seem to figure out how to download the lagfix from the github site.
Post by: USSDG on July 25, 2023, 10:38:22 am
Perhaps you are talking about the Teknoparrot version of Daytona Championship USA? I think that is the one that requires webcams to work.
**BREAK**
Does anyone know why networking with Waverunner on Model 2 is not yet working?
Post by: buttersoft on July 25, 2023, 07:25:15 pm
**BREAK**
Does anyone know why networking with Waverunner on Model 2 is not yet working?
Because the networking in M2emu isn't finished. We're lucky to have it at all, really :) Elsemi, the dev, got up to where he got up to and stopped very abruptly. Rumour has it Sega was watching development, and was so impressed they hired him (under all sorts of NDAs) to work for them porting games to other platforms like VC.
FYI Waverunner GP on Naomi will network in Flycast, but it doesn't control well with a wheel.
Post by: USSDG on July 25, 2023, 09:50:42 pm
Post by: Super-Becker on September 01, 2023, 07:14:16 am
Post by: trick72 on October 11, 2023, 07:11:31 am
I'm trying to setup m2emulator linked on two different pc's via lan. I can get m2emulator to work but i cannot get m2lagfix to work on top of it.
The m2lagfix small window has a red bar in it (supposed to be green when working?) and the cars in daytona still flicker.
So I'm not running the two emulators on the same machine, but on 2 different PC's on a LAN network (not cross linked, but on a switch)
I am able to run a lot of other linked arcade games like supermodel, teknoparrot etc.
cab1 ip address is 192.168.0.11
cab2 ip address is 192.168.0.12
currently working m2emulator link is:
cab1:
[Network]
RxPort=1978
NextIP=192.168.0.12
NextPort=1978
FrameSync=1
cab2:
[Network]
RxPort=1978
NextIP=192.168.0.11
NextPort=1978
FrameSync=1
What would the m2lagfix.ini would look like to make it work in this particular situation? I found various example ini files in this thread but they are all different, some really don't make sense (like 127.0.0.1 as remote ip address??), and none of them work for me. Anyone in the same setup as me can share their working m2lagfix.ini?
Thanks
Post by: Super-Becker on October 11, 2023, 07:05:31 pm
cab1:
[Network]
RxPort=11200
NextIP=192.168.0.12
NextPort=44405
FrameSync=1
cab2:
[Network]
RxPort=44405
NextIP=192.168.0.11
NextPort=11200
FrameSync=1
Post by: trick72 on October 12, 2023, 02:58:22 am
Try putting:
cab1:
[Network]
RxPort=11200
NextIP=192.168.0.12
NextPort=44405
FrameSync=1
cab2:
[Network]
RxPort=44405
NextIP=192.168.0.11
NextPort=11200
FrameSync=1
Hi, thanks for your reply. But the suggestion you have is the contents of the m2network.ini but I want to know the contents of a working m2lagfix.ini in my situation. Lan on m2emulator itself works for me, so the contents of m2network.ini is fine for me.
Post by: jorgenjl2 on October 28, 2023, 01:13:01 pm
Try putting:
cab1:
[Network]
RxPort=11200
NextIP=192.168.0.12
NextPort=44405
FrameSync=1
cab2:
[Network]
RxPort=44405
NextIP=192.168.0.11
NextPort=11200
FrameSync=1
Hi, thanks for your reply. But the suggestion you have is the contents of the m2network.ini but I want to know the contents of a working m2lagfix.ini in my situation. Lan on m2emulator itself works for me, so the contents of m2network.ini is fine for me.
Here are my files that work if you assume pc1 is 192.168.0.2 and pc2 is 192.168.0.3. No blinking cars.
Pc1 (192.168.0.2) - Set to master/car number 1 in test menu.
—m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost-192.168.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
—m2network.ini
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.3
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
Pc2 (192.168.0.3 - set to slave and car 2 in test menu)
—M2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
Remotellost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9000
—M2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.2
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
Note: This was keyed in via iPhone pic to text so double check for any typos but numbers should be right. Also, if using Launchbox, esc key script may not auto save test menu changes so open m2emu and load DaytonaUSA outside Bigbox/LB or take away LB esc script temporarily)
Post by: MrThunderwing on October 29, 2023, 12:30:27 pm
I just realised this thread is over 10 years old now.
10 years!
---fudgesicle--- me sideways - where has that time gone?!?
Post by: SailorSat on October 29, 2023, 02:28:01 pm
---fudgesicle--- me sideways - where has that time gone?!?Took one too many pit-stop... :)
Post by: jorgenjl2 on December 03, 2023, 11:25:32 pm
Pc 1 - 192.168.0.2
—M2lagfix.ini
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
Pc2 - 192.168.0.3
—m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9000
Pc 3 - 192.168.0.4
—m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost-0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost-192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.4
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9000
Post by: buttersoft on December 04, 2023, 05:32:38 am
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,133283.msg1462123.html#msg1462123
Post by: jorgenjl2 on December 05, 2023, 03:56:09 pm
This post contains two IP addresses, and the one below it is Sailorsat explaining how to config m2lagfix for them.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,133283.msg1462123.html#msg1462123
EDIT: REPLACING 127.0.0.1 with each PCs local ip address (192.168.0.2 on pc 1, etc) for each time 127.0.0.1 is below, it runs and it appears pc 1 and pc3 have no flashing cars but pc 2 does still for some reason (I may have started the game with pc2 if it matters). I will test some more or see if I have a typo in my code.
Hmm this doesn’t seem to work for 3 players but I may have something wrong. Here is what I have. I assume it’s a ring back to the beginning. Do the ports need to change for 3 players?
Pc 1 - 192.168.0.2
—M2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSvnc=1
—M2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
Localhost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
Remotelost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
Pc 2 - 192.168.0.3
—M2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
—M2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost-=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9000
Pc 3 - 192.168.0.4
—M2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=127.0.0.1
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
—M2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9000
Post by: jorgenjl2 on December 05, 2023, 05:18:51 pm
Post by: buttersoft on December 05, 2023, 05:51:42 pm
If you compare the example i linked with Sailorsat's next post three spots down, which shows an example of two instances of m2emu on the one PC, i'm hoping it makes more sense. I'm not saying i understand why the ports numbers are the way they are yet, but i'm sure the answer is in there somewhere.
EDIT: err, also, one of those "remotehost" entries in your config was misspelled as remotelost, though that could just be in the post not the files.
EDIT2: ok, i think it runs like this:
-PC1 receives IP message (on PC2 M2lagfix M2TX remote port)
-M2lagfix M2RX local port (same port number as line above)
-M2lagfix M2RX remote port
-M2emu RXport (same port number as line above; i.e. M2RX remote port)
-M2emu TXport
-M2lagfix M2TX local port (same port number as line above)
-M2lagfix M2TX remote port
-M2lagfix M2TX remotehost (PC2 IP address)
-PC2 receives IP message (on PC1 M2lagfix M2TX remote port)
-M2lagfix M2RX local port (same port number as line above)
-M2lagfix M2RX remote port
-M2emu RXport (same port number as line above)
-M2emu TXport
-M2lagfix M2TX local port (same port number as line above)
-M2lagfix M2TX remote port
-M2lagfix M2TX remotehost (PC1 IP address)
and repeat. The m2network.ini file should not contain any external IP addresses. M2emu itself is not talking to the other PC, it's only talking locally to M2Lagfix, and M2lagfix talks to the other PC.
That's for two PC's. I'm not sure if the ports need to line up between PCs, but it's not going to hurt, so best to stick to it. And the magic lagfix itself happens somewhere between steps, of course.
Post by: jorgenjl2 on December 05, 2023, 08:07:10 pm
--Racer 1 - 192.168.0.2 (Master, Car 1 in Test Menu)
--m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.2
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
--Racer 2 - 192.168.0.3 (Slave, Car 2 in Test Menu)
--m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.3
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9000
--Racer 3 - 192.168.0.4 (Slave, Car 3 in Test Menu)
--m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.4
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.4
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9000
Post by: buttersoft on December 05, 2023, 08:24:09 pm
If I remember correctly, UDP on 127.0.0.1 did work fine on my Win7 development rig, but not on my XP64 rig in the cab.
She seems to be saying it should be fine for Win7 and up, but not on XP? I haven't even tried to run this yet, so i'm not saying i have any experience.
Post by: jorgenjl2 on December 05, 2023, 10:26:50 pm
In later posts she talks about changing from 127.0.0.1 to the local actual ip so that definitely seemed to fix part of the issue as it wouldn’t get past the black initial screen until I changed that. It fixed everything after that except for one pc flickering.If I remember correctly, UDP on 127.0.0.1 did work fine on my Win7 development rig, but not on my XP64 rig in the cab.
She seems to be saying it should be fine for Win7 and up, but not on XP? I haven't even tried to run this yet, so i'm not saying i have any experience.
I tried using gpt4 to see if something is wrong with those latest settings but it was not super helpful. It suggested changing the pc that is master which is a good idea. Right now I can get both pc 2 and pc3 to each separately flicker in a 2 player race (using 3 linked cabs though). So I expect the pc 1 to flicker once I make it a slave in the set. It is just odd that I am pretty sure I had all three working with no flicker at one point before it came back again. Not sure if the issue is sporadic or if I just missed the flicker somehow.
SailorSat mentioned something about not starting the game with player 1 but I think that was referencing the 9th player preview if I recall and anyhow my player 1 auto starts and inserts a coin every time automatically whereas player 2 and 3 (after an initial race) allow me to insert or not insert a coin to start or not start those. I also wonder if an odd number of players (3 players in my case) is supported with m2lagfix.
Post by: buttersoft on December 06, 2023, 03:06:18 am
The auto-coin-up is just the NVRAM recording previous coin ups IIRC. When you switch off, credits carry over. Delete the NVRAM file and when the game loads there' won't be any credits. Of course then you have to go into the service menu and set things up, but if you're doing that anyway...
Post by: M00C0WM00 on February 29, 2024, 11:35:30 am
As for the fullscreen issue - I use dxwnd to "fake" fullscreen.
As for the 1p issue - well, thats sadly not possile right now. maybe later ;D
Hey SailorSat,
Just wondering if I could ask you a few questions about your Daytona setup, if that's cool?
Post by: SailorSat on March 02, 2024, 02:17:24 am
Post by: M00C0WM00 on March 02, 2024, 06:48:41 am
Sure...
Awesome! I sent you a DM with a few questions. Appreciate it!
Post by: SailorSat on April 20, 2024, 04:18:33 pm
Sega Ski Super G
SuperGT 24h
OverRev
Sega Touring Car Challenge
Wave Runner
called 1.1b
Code: [Select]
004cf3e1 89 44 24 0c MOV dword ptr [ESP + local_22c_pBufferRX],EAX
004cf3e5 89 44 24 10 MOV dword ptr [ESP + local_228_timeOut],EAX
004cf3e9 89 44 24 14 MOV dword ptr [ESP + local_228_timeOut+0x4],EAX
--- change so that EAX is 0x4000 at 004cf3e9
emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3C5 - C7 44 24 14 00400000 - mov [esp+14],00004000
emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3CD - EB 1E - jmp emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3ED
emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3E9 - EB DA - jmp emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3C5
emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3EB - 90 - nop
emulator_multicpu.exe+CF3EC - 90 - nop
Post by: xbrunox on April 21, 2024, 05:36:17 am
Post by: holmes on April 28, 2024, 03:13:39 pm
Post by: Francesco75 on April 28, 2024, 04:34:31 pm
I'm trying to integrate Daytona into my twin cab driven by two PCs. I have added a third pc with two attached monitors, planning to dedicate it as a spectator pc (live cam and stats).
1) is it correct to have the only master in the spectator pc as a special cab so Player 1 and Player 2 will be both slaves?
2) is it possible to have virtual cam and stats on a 2 only linked players instead of 8?
3) assuming my win10 pcs are 192.168.0.161 (spectator pc), 192.168.0.162 (player1), 192.168.0.163 (player2) what are the right per machine configurations files? I'm really a bit lost, and also is not clear if i have to execute the lagfix only on the spectator pc or on all my 3 machines.
Any help will be appreciate.
Post by: anchounio on April 30, 2024, 07:23:47 am
I've been waiting for this upgrade for years !
love you :)
Post by: buttersoft on June 03, 2024, 11:52:30 pm
So... finaly made patch of 1.1a (multicpu) that fixes the "newer" games' network initialization. (no more service-menu reset shenanigans)
Sega Ski Super G
SuperGT 24h
OverRev
Sega Touring Car Challenge
Wave Runner
called 1.1b
Gee, that's awesome. I'd love to get this running with STCC
I must admit to always being in the dark as to how to actually use this. I never got the original lagfix working either. Is there a guide to starting from scratch with the rom and the emu, and going from there? Can i just run one version of emu/lagfix and run all M2 games from it?
Post by: MrThunderwing on June 04, 2024, 12:25:43 pm
I must admit to always being in the dark as to how to actually use this. I never got the original lagfix working either. Is there a guide to starting from scratch with the rom and the emu, and going from there? Can i just run one version of emu/lagfix and run all M2 games from it?
Likewise, I kept meaning to look through the thread to try and figure it out, but I left it a bit too late and the thread got bigger and bigger and then I moved onto other things. A quick start write-up from someone that knows what they're doing with it would be ace!
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 08, 2024, 10:27:35 pm
I third this. My 4 player racing cabinet has flashing cars on Daytona and I am not sure what is wrong with this. At one point in the thread someone says to use similar to what I have below, another person says the network ini should point to another pc instead of the local pc, and at another point someone says the port should be 9000 instead of 9002. So a quick guide or find/replace file for 2p, 3p, and 4p options would be very helpful. Here is what I have but it does not work.I must admit to always being in the dark as to how to actually use this. I never got the original lagfix working either. Is there a guide to starting from scratch with the rom and the emu, and going from there? Can i just run one version of emu/lagfix and run all M2 games from it?
Likewise, I kept meaning to look through the thread to try and figure it out, but I left it a bit too late and the thread got bigger and bigger and then I moved onto other things. A quick start write-up from someone that knows what they're doing with it would be ace!
Code: [Select]
Racer1 (192.168.0.2)
--m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.2
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
--racer2
--m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.3
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
--m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9000
--racer3
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.4
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.4
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.5
RemotePort=9000
--racer4
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.5
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.5
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.5
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 08, 2024, 10:38:20 pm
Code: [Select]
# Racer 1 (192.168.0.2)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.3
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
# Racer 2 (192.168.0.3)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.4
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9000
# Racer 3 (192.168.0.4)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.5
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.5
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.4
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.5
RemotePort=9000
# Racer 4 (192.168.0.5)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.2
NextPort=9002
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.5
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9000
Post by: bandicoot on June 09, 2024, 08:08:16 am
# Racer 1 (192.168.0.2)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.3
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.2
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.3
RemotePort=9000
# Racer 2 (192.168.0.3)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.4
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.3
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.4
RemotePort=9000
# Racer 3 (192.168.0.4)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.5
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.5
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.4
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.5
RemotePort=9000
# Racer 4 (192.168.0.5)
-- m2network.ini
[Network]
RxPort=9001
NextIP=192.168.0.2
NextPort=9001
FrameSync=1
-- m2lagfix.ini
[m2rx]
LocalHost=0.0.0.0
LocalPort=9000
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9001
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=192.168.0.5
LocalPort=9002
RemoteHost=192.168.0.2
RemotePort=9000
Post by: SailorSat on June 09, 2024, 12:47:07 pm
Start withOUT m2lagfix in the first place.
Grab a copy of the patched m2emulator from http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11b.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11b.zip)
( might want to rename it instead of replacing the existing one )
Turn on FrameSync in m2network.ini
If using ONE machine set your RXPort and NextPort
If using MULTIPLE machines only set NextIP the next machine
-- Test your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- --
Known issues:
Random Freezes
IF you get random "freezes" for about 2 seconds, you might need lagfix.
This happens when packets are lost somewhere. You can try to fix this with m2lagfix.
Sega Rally timer goes haywire
The timer in Sega Rally acts up in multiplayer for unknown reason - Grab a copy of https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/srallyc.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/srallyc.lua) and put it in your scripts folder.
Indy500 or motoraid show NETWORK ERROR
If Indy500 or MotorRaid error out, you might give the "error patch"-scripts a try.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/indy500d.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/indy500d.lua)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/motoraid.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/motoraid.lua)
Flickering cars (in any game)
No reliable fix known - Works fine if the network is forcefully slowed down, but causes audio stuttering.
Need to "fix" the timers in m2em at some point.
Likewise turning on V-SYNC and running the game at 58Hz helps something, while breaking audio.
M2lagfix should only be used if packets are lost and for splitting off a datastream for my custom daytona live spectator.
Post by: SailorSat on June 09, 2024, 12:47:21 pm
| Game | Romset | 2 Players | 4 Players | 4 Players + Spectator | 8 Players | Notes |
| Daytona USA (Saturn Ads) | daytonas | fine | fine | n/a | fine | |
| ManxTT Superbike (Rev D, Deluxe) | manxtt | fine | fine | fine | fine | sometimes glitches out in race - works fine on next try |
| Motor Raid | motoraid | fine | fine | fine | n/a | |
| Sega Rally Championship | srallyc | fine* | fine* | fine* | n/a | use lua script to fix timer |
| Indianapolis 500 (Rev A, Twin, Newer rev) | indy500 | fine | fine* | fine* | fine* | spectator = slave |
| Indianapolis 500 (Rev A, Deluxe) | indy500d | fine | fine* | fine* | fine* | use lua script for reliable connection - mostly works, sometimes gets stuck on transmission selection -- spectator = slave |
| Over Rev (Model 2B) | overrevb | fine | fine | n/a | n/a | |
| Over Rev | overrev | fine | fine | n/a | n/a | |
| Super GT 24h | sgt24h | fine | meh* | n/a | n/a | gets stuck on link screen most of the time. |
| Sega Touring Car Championship | stcc | fine | fine | fine | fine | use lua script for reliable link |
| Wave Runner | waverunr | fine | fine* | n/a | n/a | use lua script for reliable link |
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 09, 2024, 02:15:25 pm
Long Story short...Thanks for this. To clarify, m2lagfix only fixes “freezes” of the game and doesn’t fix the cars flashing? What does the patched emulator do and is that only needed for games other than Daytona USA (since I have never had any issues with network on regular besides the flashing/flickering cars). The flickering cars are pretty bad though so I will have to look at your old Daytona videos and see if it is anything like mine. Do you think it is worth trying jumbo frames or will that not help?
Start withOUT m2lagfix in the first place.
Grab a copy of the patched m2emulator from http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11b.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11b.zip)
( might want to rename it instead of replacing the existing one )
Turn on FrameSync in m2network.ini
If using ONE machine set your RXPort and NextPort
If using MULTIPLE machines only set NextIP the next machine
-- Test your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- --
Known issues:
Random Freezes
IF you get random "freezes" for about 2 seconds, you might need lagfix.
This happens when packets are lost somewhere. You can try to fix this with m2lagfix.
Sega Rally timer goes haywire
The timer in Sega Rally acts up in multiplayer for unknown reason - Grab a copy of https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/srallyc.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/srallyc.lua) and put it in your scripts folder.
Indy500 or motoraid show NETWORK ERROR
If Indy500 or MotorRaid error out, you might give the "error patch"-scripts a try.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/indy500d.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/indy500d.lua)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/motoraid.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/motoraid.lua)
Flickering cars (in any game)
No reliable fix known - Works fine if the network is forcefully slowed down, but causes audio stuttering.
Need to "fix" the timers in m2em at some point.
Likewise turning on V-SYNC and running the game at 58Hz helps something, while breaking audio.
M2lagfix should only be used if packets are lost and for splitting off a datastream for my custom daytona live spectator.
Post by: SailorSat on June 09, 2024, 02:50:09 pm
this in practice only affects model2b and model2c games.
those newer games start the comm board and THEN setup the comm parameters afterwards.
real comm hardware takes some time to do a self test - the emulation did not, hence it would start up as "slave" by default.
in the past people cheatet their way in by entering and leaving service mode in the right moment - that is no longer needed.
I've had jumbo frames enabled for the longest time (for performance reasons actually), but had to disable them when I added the NPCAP-protocol.
--
as for the flickering cars in daytona...
on my development machine cars don't flicker at all - doesn't matter if 2 or 8 players
on my 8 player setup, some cars do flicker... like ONE of the 8 cabinets has flickering cars, the others dont - in other instances, only one car is flickering on all cabinets, while the others are fine.
--
long story short, the network code still isn't working correctly.
having dug into the binary for some time now, there are two possible issues right now.
1. the code runs "async" based on some timer - that timer appears to be off somehow.
if I slow down the video (via vsync) funky stuff happens
if I slow down the network other stuff happens.
2. the network code itself - the "buffer" to be exact
received data is handled different in M2EM to how my implementation in MAME does - as MAME links up absolutely fine in all games and M2EM does not, that "might" be a lead - moving stuff around in binary is a tricky thing though.
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 09, 2024, 08:56:44 pm
As for the patched emulator - It introduces a small delay to the network intialization code.
this in practice only affects model2b and model2c games.
those newer games start the comm board and THEN setup the comm parameters afterwards.
real comm hardware takes some time to do a self test - the emulation did not, hence it would start up as "slave" by default.
in the past people cheatet their way in by entering and leaving service mode in the right moment - that is no longer needed.
I've had jumbo frames enabled for the longest time (for performance reasons actually), but had to disable them when I added the NPCAP-protocol.
--
as for the flickering cars in daytona...
on my development machine cars don't flicker at all - doesn't matter if 2 or 8 players
on my 8 player setup, some cars do flicker... like ONE of the 8 cabinets has flickering cars, the others dont - in other instances, only one car is flickering on all cabinets, while the others are fine.
--
long story short, the network code still isn't working correctly.
having dug into the binary for some time now, there are two possible issues right now.
1. the code runs "async" based on some timer - that timer appears to be off somehow.
if I slow down the video (via vsync) funky stuff happens
if I slow down the network other stuff happens.
2. the network code itself - the "buffer" to be exact
received data is handled different in M2EM to how my implementation in MAME does - as MAME links up absolutely fine in all games and M2EM does not, that "might" be a lead - moving stuff around in binary is a tricky thing though.
It looks like Daytona USA is not a later model b or model c game so I am guessing it won’t help me in my specific case so I will stick with the emulator I am using now. That is good to know if I dive into the other games.
I may try enabling jumbo frames in that case. You just set the mtu (9000?) on the PCs and then the router and that is it? No emulator specific changes right?
Since 8 simultaneous separate instances of m2 emulator running Daytona USA on your one development pc has zero flashing cars, that would probably tell us that the specs of the pc are probably unrelated (unlike SFRush Mame where the emulation lan speed might or might not require heavy spec PCs) and that it is related to sending data over the network. I guess I will just have to deal with the flashing cars. Actually you said only one pc flickers.. is it a pc wirh lower specs or is a random pc each time? I will test again to see what it is like on mine (all besides player 1 flicker or is it only one pc etc).
Post by: SailorSat on June 10, 2024, 03:19:01 pm
i3-4170
4gb dual-channel DDR3
geforce gt730
GigaBit Ethernet with what used to be 5K jumboframes (as the M2EM sends 4k packets)
running (cloned) win7 installations of 128GB SSD
I tried to keep any differences as small as possible.
Live I've said, my MAME implementation of the network works fine, but -as the time of writing- MAME has several issues with the graphics.
Speed is not an issue at the moment, as these machines run most of the 3D racers MAME supports at way over 120% speed, so there should be enough wiggle room.
I will do a test though, changing the way my code handles received data to how the M2EM does - if it breaks something I shall try to patch M2EM in that regard >_<
Post by: MrThunderwing on June 11, 2024, 02:10:46 pm
Long Story short...
Start withOUT m2lagfix in the first place.
Grab a copy of the patched m2emulator from http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11b.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11b.zip)
( might want to rename it instead of replacing the existing one )
Turn on FrameSync in m2network.ini
If using ONE machine set your RXPort and NextPort
If using MULTIPLE machines only set NextIP the next machine
-- Test your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- --
Known issues:
Random Freezes
IF you get random "freezes" for about 2 seconds, you might need lagfix.
This happens when packets are lost somewhere. You can try to fix this with m2lagfix.
Sega Rally timer goes haywire
The timer in Sega Rally acts up in multiplayer for unknown reason - Grab a copy of https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/srallyc.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/srallyc.lua) and put it in your scripts folder.
Indy500 or motoraid show NETWORK ERROR
If Indy500 or MotorRaid error out, you might give the "error patch"-scripts a try.
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/indy500d.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/indy500d.lua)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/motoraid.lua (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/master/src/scripts/motoraid.lua)
Flickering cars (in any game)
No reliable fix known - Works fine if the network is forcefully slowed down, but causes audio stuttering.
Need to "fix" the timers in m2em at some point.
Likewise turning on V-SYNC and running the game at 58Hz helps something, while breaking audio.
M2lagfix should only be used if packets are lost and for splitting off a datastream for my custom daytona live spectator.
Thanks for this Ariane, greatly appreciated! I renamed the patched M2 exe and added it to an existing 4 player M2 single PC setup I've got (and added the frame sync info to the inis) and all seems good with Daytona. I still get a network error with Indy500 and the D version (I've previously had limited success getting it running in multiplayer in regular M2EMU - sometimes it links, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it links for a bit then fails after 1 game). I know nothing about LUA -How do you apply the patch for Indy? I tried Googling this, but I can't seem to find a simple answer...
Post by: SailorSat on June 11, 2024, 02:14:31 pm
I know nothing about LUA -How do you apply the patch for Indy? I tried Googling this, but I can't seem to find a simple answer...
Just download that script and place it in the "scripts" folder of the emulator.
Post by: MrThunderwing on June 11, 2024, 02:25:46 pm
thanks again!
Edit: Arrghh, no spoke to soon. It looks like it's working initially but it fails without going in game.
Post by: MrThunderwing on June 11, 2024, 02:38:36 pm
Attachment 2 is what my homemade LUA file looks like though, which I think is the same as what I'd download...? I've put one of these in each of the 4 scripts folder and Indy 500 still gets the network error.
Post by: PL1 on June 11, 2024, 07:05:51 pm
If I click on the link, this is what I get on-screen in attachment one, there's no download option anywhere I can see on screen.Here's an easier link.
https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts (https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts)
- Click on the desired script.
- On the script page, there's a download link.
Scott
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 11, 2024, 08:16:25 pm
My gaming setup actually consists of 9 identical machines.
i3-4170
4gb dual-channel DDR3
geforce gt730
GigaBit Ethernet with what used to be 5K jumboframes (as the M2EM sends 4k packets)
running (cloned) win7 installations of 128GB SSD
I tried to keep any differences as small as possible.
Live I've said, my MAME implementation of the network works fine, but -as the time of writing- MAME has several issues with the graphics.
Speed is not an issue at the moment, as these machines run most of the 3D racers MAME supports at way over 120% speed, so there should be enough wiggle room.
I will do a test though, changing the way my code handles received data to how the M2EM does - if it breaks something I shall try to patch M2EM in that regard >_<
That would be awesome.
Here is my testing from earlier:
1) M2lagfix with m2network.ini pointed to local ip = master zero flashing cars. All 3 slaves constant flashing cars
2) M2lagfix with m2network.ini pointed to next ip (gpt4o) = master zero flashing cars. All 3 slaves constant flashing cars
3) Take out m2lagfix and have network.ini point to next ip in ring = master zero flashing cars. All 3 slaves constant flashing cars
4) Change mtu to 9000 for all PCs = won’t get past black connecting to network screens
5) Change mtu to 4000 for all PCs = won’t get past black connecting to network screens
6) Change back to mtu 1500 and reboot = no flashing cars first race for some reason
7) 2nd race = 2nd player flashing cars and then eventually all three slaves flashing cars again
8) Reboot. Same three flashing slaves.
Post by: Super-Becker on June 12, 2024, 01:11:01 pm
PC1:
m2network.ini:
[Network]
Rxport=11200
NextIP=PUT PC2 IP HERE
NextPort=44405
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini:
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9002
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8000
PC2:
m2network.ini:
[Network]
Rxport=44405
NextIP=PUT PC1 IP HERE
NextPort=11200
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini:
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9002
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8000
I ran the emulator using "EMULATOR.EXE" because "emulator_multicpu.exe" caused some problem that I no longer remember. Now I use SailorSat's multicpu_1.1b which is the best version. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank you: -Congratulations on your work and thank you very much SailorSat!
I don't use any lua scripts from SailorSat.
I always use m2lagfix in linked games. The flashing cars rarely appear for me, and when they do I just close m2lagfix and the emulator, and open them again. I did several random tests to try to find out what favors flashing cars or not, but I didn't come to a conclusion.
I hope I helped someone.
Post by: MrThunderwing on June 12, 2024, 02:02:40 pm
If I click on the link, this is what I get on-screen in attachment one, there's no download option anywhere I can see on screen.Here's an easier link.
https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts (https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts)
- Click on the desired script.
- On the script page, there's a download link.
Scott
Scott my dude! Thanks for sharing that link, the OG Indy 500 still keeps failing the link a few seconds after connecting, but the LUA script for Indy 500d seems to be creating a nice stable connection. I'm able to drag windows around the screen to reposition them and the link doesn't immediately disconnect, so that's cool.
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 12, 2024, 07:09:09 pm
Everything has been working out for me in the link games on M2. I saw that some colleagues' files have different information than mine:
PC1:
m2network.ini:
[Network]
Rxport=11200
NextIP=PUT PC2 IP HERE
NextPort=44405
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini:
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9002
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8000
PC2:
m2network.ini:
[Network]
Rxport=44405
NextIP=PUT PC1 IP HERE
NextPort=11200
FrameSync=1
m2lagfix.ini:
[m2rx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=8001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=9002
StallDetection=1
[m2tx]
LocalHost=127.0.0.1
LocalPort=9001
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8001
[m2stats]
RemoteHost=127.0.0.1
RemotePort=8000
I ran the emulator using "EMULATOR.EXE" because "emulator_multicpu.exe" caused some problem that I no longer remember. Now I use SailorSat's multicpu_1.1b which is the best version. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank you: -Congratulations on your work and thank you very much SailorSat!
I don't use any lua scripts from SailorSat.
I always use m2lagfix in linked games. The flashing cars rarely appear for me, and when they do I just close m2lagfix and the emulator, and open them again. I did several random tests to try to find out what favors flashing cars or not, but I didn't come to a conclusion.
I hope I helped someone.
I will have to try using the new multicpu1.1b emulator and m2lagfix again since my flashing is pretty bad. What does the m2stats do? I thought that was a 9th (or third in your case?) pc that displays where people are on the track but admittedly I did not really look closely at that part yet.
SailorSat - Do you have a m2lagfix and m2network ini settings you recommend for 2p and 4p so we have a single set of ini’s that we know work? I can try what Super Becker has and try to translate to 4p if having the stats doesn’t hurt anything.
Post by: SailorSat on June 12, 2024, 09:43:08 pm
the configuration you've posted does not utilize m2lagfix at all.
m2network.ini #1 receives on 11200 and points to ip2:44405
m2network.ini #2 receives on 44405 and points to ip1:11200
Second... I managed to "fix" the receive code - that seems to fix overrev and sgt24h in 4 player mode (no more glitchfest).
But I found yet another issue... (although that is a good thing, as that might be the initial issue all along)
stay tuned :)
*EDIT*
mhm... I sometimes feel stupid
that "fix" enables OverRev and WaveRunner to boot up quite reliable.
and earlier today I had SGT24H and STCC running with 4 players - I then took a nap.
having changed nothing since, I cant get them to link up anymore.
it feel like once in a 50 restarts, they link up (and play) fine. otherwise they just stay at ther "network check ok!" screen and do nothing.
Post by: SailorSat on June 13, 2024, 10:17:51 pm
Today I bring you... M2EM 1.1c ( grab a copy at http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11c.zip (http://files.arianchen.de/m2em/emulator_multicpu_11c.zip) )
the network code for receiving data has been fixed - this allows most games to link up.
Super GT 24h still feels like gambling for some reason.
On that note - I fixed the script for indy500 and added scripts for waverunr and stcc to boot reliable.
you can find the scripts at https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts (https://github.com/SailorSat/daytona-utils/tree/master/src/scripts)
( click on the script you want, then click on the download icon in the top right corner )
As for the flickering cars issue...
I now know for sure there is a timing issue!
If I slow down the network even a little bit, basically all error disappear - be it link up issues (without scripts that is) or flickering cars.
Still trying to figure out the timing logic in m2em... so there may be a 1.1d someday.
I'll do some tests on my setup with slowing down the network by "external" ( m2lagfix 2.0? :) ) - as I found the offset for the audio rate, I should be able to fix any stuttering that a slight slowdown would introduce.
Post by: SailorSat on June 14, 2024, 03:48:27 am
PC1 - Player 1 of 4
PC2 - Player 4 of 4
PC3 - Player 3 of 4
PC4 - Player 2 of 4
and yes, did not work in MAME either...
Post by: Maillouski on June 14, 2024, 07:19:53 am
Post by: MrThunderwing on June 14, 2024, 04:37:48 pm
Post by: SailorSat on June 14, 2024, 04:40:12 pm
Nice one Arianne! New Emulator and scripts downloaded, I'll be giving these a try over the weekend. Thanks for all your hard work on this.
If you happen to have issues getting STCC to link... redownload the script pls... turns out the script failed in some edgecase
Post by: SailorSat on June 21, 2024, 02:28:19 pm
For those that dare to try...
DayontaThrottle - a rather simplistic piece of software that throttles the m2network to a specified framerate.
My 8-Player Daytona is running cpmpletly flicker free now...
In emulator.ini set Frameskip=0 and ForceSync=0
In m2network.ini set FrameSync=1
As for the throttle itself - think of it as an extra player.
I run mine between Player 8 and Player 1.
You can adjust the speed in throttle.ini
In my test 57.9 works well enough - at least with 8 machines roaring, i barely notice any audio drops from the slowdown.
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 21, 2024, 09:08:49 pm
Post by: Dozer316 on June 26, 2024, 09:11:26 pm
This throttled node in the ring completely cured the flickering cars for me in Daytona and 2 nodes stay synced nicely while running in attract mode for about an hour.
As noted, it did introduce some audio stutter / dropout which did seem to change slightly based on the FPS setting under [speed]
Thanks for hacking around in the binary trying to fix this, it's much appreciated.
Another week, another thingie...
For those that dare to try...
DayontaThrottle - a rather simplistic piece of software that throttles the m2network to a specified framerate.
My 8-Player Daytona is running cpmpletly flicker free now...
In emulator.ini set Frameskip=0 and ForceSync=0
In m2network.ini set FrameSync=1
As for the throttle itself - think of it as an extra player.
I run mine between Player 8 and Player 1.
You can adjust the speed in throttle.ini
In my test 57.9 works well enough - at least with 8 machines roaring, i barely notice any audio drops from the slowdown.
Post by: xbrunox on June 27, 2024, 02:34:33 am
Another week, another thingie...
My 8-Player Daytona is running cpmpletly flicker free now...
Hi SailorSat do you also have a solution to fix the Segarally machines that have sudden jerky movements?
Post by: buttersoft on June 29, 2024, 01:20:12 am
Downloading now...
OK, it works really well! always connects firs time, no matter who goes first.
I do have a few notes. Firstly, that if you go into service menu and come out, the game will no longer network. Or anyway STCC won't. But now there's really no need to go into service menu when playing, so...
Secondly, a question about scripts. To get this to work properly, i had to get a fresh download of m2 emu 1.1a and overwrite the scripts folder, then place the new scripts on top of that. Is that the correct way? I notice that in the clean download there is a script called "daytona.lua" but the your new script is called "daytonas.lua". Same thing? Different roms? Anything we should be aware of?
Post by: Maillouski on June 29, 2024, 09:19:08 am
Post by: jorgenjl2 on June 30, 2024, 06:10:22 pm
For my setup I have four pc’s/racers (no m2lagfix.exe involved, just regular m2network.ini. connections) that used port 9001 for both rx and send ports in the m2network.ini’s in a ring. Once I verified that regular 4 player (with flashing cars) worked, I added the throttle exe file to pc1 1st racer. For some reason trying ip 127.0.0.1 and ports 7001 and 7002 in the throttle ini like is shown (even after updating my 4th players m2network.ini didn’t work for me (black startup screens). Probably something minor I was missing. So I instead updated in one go the throttle.ini file to use actual ips (192.168.0.2 twice which is my 1st players ip) instead of 127.0.0.1 and port 9002 LocalPort for receive and 9001 RemotePort and then I updated the 4th racers m2network.ini to have NextPort=9002 (instead of 9001). Everything else stayed the exact same. So now the 4th pc sends the data back to the 1st pc over to port 9002 and then then the throttle exe file reads the 9002 data and then sends it onto port 9001 like normal and everything else is the exact same. Hopefully that is not confusing and helps some. I then added Launchbox “before” scripts on pc1 to start the throttle exe and also “after” scripts to kill the throttle exe. Zero flashing cars and the other players cars also don’t jump around like they used to. So awesome!
Post by: SailorSat on July 01, 2024, 01:43:03 am
Hi SailorSat do you also have a solution to fix the Segarally machines that have sudden jerky movements?I haven't tested Sega Rally that much - The throttle might fix that one too. Need to have some folks around for proper multiplayer ;)
I do have a few notes. Firstly, that if you go into service menu and come out, the game will no longer network.Noted - might look into that one (probably happens with every game)
To get this to work properly, i had to get a fresh download of m2 emu 1.1a and overwrite the scripts folder, then place the new scripts on top of that. Is that the correct way?Yes. The original release contains some common script files that get referenced in mine.
I notice that in the clean download there is a script called "daytona.lua" but the your new script is called "daytonas.lua". Same thing? Different roms? Anything we should be aware of?Those are for different roms - I usually go with the "Daytona USA (Saturn Ads)", as that was the last revision released.
However, the daytona script only contains patches for the "special type" inputs and is not required to play multiplayer :)
Can this new hack be also used to cure flickering for multiplayer over Internet ?
Yes and No - To get the network synched up properly, the latency needs to be very low.
For the 58Hz network to be in sync a frame needs to pass all players in about 17ms.
I haven't tried though.
Post by: Super-Becker on July 03, 2024, 10:26:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o928ziBPp1M
Post by: buttersoft on July 15, 2024, 11:19:49 pm
Post by: jinsatoemo on August 28, 2024, 09:59:29 pm
Post by: dekkit on October 09, 2024, 07:03:47 am
Have recently setup another 2player Daytona emulation rig (with newer hardware ) and was really surprised to see how differently (ie worse) the network performed on the newer rig when compared to my older pair of laptops.
Update 27/4 - looks like this might of been due some funky firewall and M2 network settings (even possibly a bad cross over cable).
When I went back and reverted a bunch of settings and the performance became what it should be.
I've left most of my original post below (as it highlights some of the min specs you can play on)
Old pair of laptops (running at 640x480 @60hz resolution)
Laptop 1
2 Cores, @2.26 GHz, Penryn (was master) win7
Laptop 2
2 Cores, @1.66 GHz, Merom (was slave) winxp
2GB ram
Using a cross over cable , 100Mbit
Performed really with all the recommended settings (network sync =1 and not using the lagfix). No freezes/pauses, very minimal flickering (occasional after a few races and not enough to spoil the fun)
Pair of 'All-in-one' pc's (running at 1920x1080 @60hz)
The newer set of identical PCs however were a different story initially but thankfully now are running great.
i5-3470. @3.6 GHz win7
Cross over cable, 1gb network (but not messed with jumbo frames)
Originally the settings I carried over from the other setup resulted in the dreaded 1-2 pause people mention all over this thread but other than that the cars didn't flicker too much if at all - however the in game pause really killed the mood and seemed to happen randomly (not often but enough to make it annoying).
After turning off network sync(=0), and using the m2lagfix it was stable and removed the freezes but introduced a constant flickering of the other players car (seen from p1 and from p2). Still more playable.
I was going to investigate the differences in each pair further (thinking the slower PC for car 2 might have been a factor in the laptop setup) but when revisited this again today - managed to get it working ok
I started the setup again from scratch using the same recommended network settings as I used for the laptops (no vsync etc). It looks like it's sorted now.
Post by: buttersoft on January 26, 2025, 05:17:45 am
I was told, ages ago in another thread, that you needed the scripts from
EDIT: ok, new location for those scripts found (thanks @vincerplay) and outputs working again - https://github.com/njz3/BFF_gameassets/tree/dd185d82ea3829033a4d99a65767b3a4739778cc/image_njz3/Emulators/Model2%20v1.1a/scripts
I'd love to figure out how to get STCC leader lamps running next, but that looks like it's going to be much trickier.
EDIT2: @vincerplay modified a version of outputblaster to receive outputs from STCC and Sega Rally Champsionship - https://fastupload.io/1b9ad0d3638c2684
That file is all that is needed to get outputs from m2emu 1.1c. It works with the two games listed, does not work with Daytona anymore, and you would need to test other games.
Post by: SailorSat on January 31, 2025, 12:32:35 am
Basically the offset to read them is 'EmulatorEXE + 0x174CF0'
The only Exception is Daytona*, which uses 'M2EM_RAMBASE + 0x824' (and requires the lua patch)
Not very that helpfull I guess.
Post by: buttersoft on January 31, 2025, 05:55:48 am
Not very that helpfull I guess.
I wouldn't say that, it's all interesting :)
Post by: Monkee on March 23, 2025, 10:49:25 am
Post by: SailorSat on March 23, 2025, 01:36:29 pm
Post by: Monkee on March 24, 2025, 05:42:45 pm
Post by: WolfRagnell on April 11, 2025, 07:47:43 am
Sailorsat, sorry to be pain, but do you have outputs working ok with your 1.1c version? I can see outputs in mamehooker but they never change state.
I was told, ages ago in another thread, that you needed the scripts fromhttps://github.com/njz3/vJoyIOFeederWithFFB/tree/master/gameassets/nebula_m2_1.1but that dir is 404 now.
EDIT: ok, new location for those scripts found (thanks @vincerplay) and outputs working again - https://github.com/njz3/BFF_gameassets/tree/dd185d82ea3829033a4d99a65767b3a4739778cc/image_njz3/Emulators/Model2%20v1.1a/scripts
I'd love to figure out how to get STCC leader lamps running next, but that looks like it's going to be much trickier.
EDIT2: @vincerplay modified a version of outputblaster to receive outputs from STCC and Sega Rally Champsionship - https://fastupload.io/1b9ad0d3638c2684
That file is all that is needed to get outputs from m2emu 1.1c. It works with the two games listed, does not work with Daytona anymore, and you would need to test other games.
Yo currently adding race leader lights to my setup as I learn the ins and outs. the link for the output blaster sega rally & stcc file is down do you know where else I could find it, or if you could upload it for me? tried searching around to no luck,would love the file especially for sega rally cheers!
Post by: buttersoft on May 25, 2025, 12:07:12 am
And my god that sounded like a lot of gibberish even to me. If it doesn't make sense or you still get stuck, msg me in a week or two!