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Title: Wickcade 2 Player BarTop
Post by: colindecon on March 03, 2013, 11:26:21 am
Hello its been a while since ive been here hope you take me back,

So i want to build a Full size arcade machine but wifey says Not until we have a garage  :banghead:

but... i can build a bartop :applaud:

So where to start..


I want 2 players

thinking 7 buttons each

stereo sound

19 inch wide screen or 17 inch not widescreen :D


Design phase:

i will be using Adode Illustrator and Maya 2013


Build Phase:

MDF Baby or maybe ply or maybe pine um :P

Tech: My netbook or new parts  ::)






I will base my design on this design i found online

(http://i45.tinypic.com/110ewjs.png)


well anyway  any input as i go will be very welcome


Colin
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 03, 2013, 11:52:51 am
i basic recreation of the plans above

(http://i49.tinypic.com/10i7244.png)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 03, 2013, 01:01:31 pm
(http://i47.tinypic.com/24e7rls.png)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2dshlwp.png)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/4j0qd0.png)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2v3371e.png)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/206kaoy.png)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/107nj3q.png)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/32zjqis.png)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2d6o0pf.png)

(http://i47.tinypic.com/33bl63b.png)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: matsadona on March 03, 2013, 04:27:03 pm
Just a small advise... make a cardboard mockup and try to "play" two persons side a side and verify if it is really a feasible design or if it has to be wider.
Second, do you really need all buttons? If you are in to the fighter games I suppose it is a yes, but else? Just MHO but the games most played around here is 2 or maybe 3 button games...
Finally, when it comes to the arcade art I believe less is more if you ask me. The sideart might be more "bombastic" but I would change the CPO to something less detailed.
I think all the Koenig designs are very minimalistic and mimics the old arcade art pretty well (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/ (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/)).
But as always - it is your cabinet and there will probably be as many voting for the "all in super detailed" concept as there are people with the same opinion as me  :)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Unstupid on March 03, 2013, 06:36:22 pm
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2v3371e.png)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/206kaoy.png)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/107nj3q.png)

These are all different.... Which style are you going with?  Also figure out what you are going to use for a marquee retainer and adjust your design to fit...  nothing screams "amateur hour" more than marquee retainers hanging over the side panels.  Also the control panel, if you recess it a 1/4" from the side panel on top do the same on the front of the control panel....  also factor in the thickness of any covering you plan on using for the CP
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 04, 2013, 12:20:56 pm
Just a small advise... make a cardboard mockup and try to "play" two persons side a side and verify if it is really a feasible design or if it has to be wider.
Second, do you really need all buttons? If you are in to the fighter games I suppose it is a yes, but else? Just MHO but the games most played around here is 2 or maybe 3 button games...
Finally, when it comes to the arcade art I believe less is more if you ask me. The sideart might be more "bombastic" but I would change the CPO to something less detailed.
I think all the Koenig designs are very minimalistic and mimics the old arcade art pretty well (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/ (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/)).
But as always - it is your cabinet and there will probably be as many voting for the "all in super detailed" concept as there are people with the same opinion as me  :)

a mockup: i did not even think of doing that :)

Buttons: I wanted the neo geo layout and fighting layout so thats why im thinking 7 buttons

artwork: im still dont know what to have i just but them in just for the render

Thanks for the great input,

Colin
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 04, 2013, 12:23:40 pm


Quote
These are all different.... Which style are you going with?  Also figure out what you are going to use for a marquee retainer and adjust your design to fit...  nothing screams "amateur hour" more than marquee retainers hanging over the side panels.  Also the control panel, if you recess it a 1/4" from the side panel on top do the same on the front of the control panel....  also factor in the thickness of any covering you plan on using for the CP

I dont know what design to settle with i want something thats different.

What do you mean by "marquee retainers hanging over the side panels" ?

 Thanks colin
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Unstupid on March 04, 2013, 03:57:47 pm

What do you mean by "marquee retainers hanging over the side panels" ?

I mean, like these:
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee1.jpg)
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 04, 2013, 04:01:33 pm

What do you mean by "marquee retainers hanging over the side panels" ?

I mean, like these:
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee1.jpg)
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

That is not very nice at all,

im thinking of making a slot for the marquee to slide into from above
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: CoryBee on March 04, 2013, 04:25:09 pm
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

Hey now, after the constructive criticism I bought better marquee retainers. Aluminum L shaped thingys from Home- Depot.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j227/corydrippon/GEDC0266_zps254f917f.jpg)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 04, 2013, 05:14:58 pm
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

Hey now, after the constructive criticism I bought better marquee retainers. Aluminum L shaped thingys from Home- Depot.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j227/corydrippon/GEDC0266_zps254f917f.jpg)

vERY nICE;)
Title: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: dextercf on March 04, 2013, 06:23:18 pm
Subscribed
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Unstupid on March 04, 2013, 06:26:52 pm
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

Hey now, after the constructive criticism I bought better marquee retainers. Aluminum L shaped thingys from Home- Depot.

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j227/corydrippon/GEDC0266_zps254f917f.jpg)
You have certainly come a long way since your early builds!   :D
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: CoryBee on March 04, 2013, 06:37:39 pm
You have certainly come a long way since your early builds!   :D

Yes I have, thank you. Good luck with your build "colindecon"
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: rablack97 on March 04, 2013, 10:09:39 pm
You have certainly come a long way since your early builds!   :D

Yes I have, thank you. Good luck with your build "colindecon"

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

He's all grown up now..... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Drnick on March 05, 2013, 08:09:49 am

What do you mean by "marquee retainers hanging over the side panels" ?

I mean, like these:
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee1.jpg)
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

That is not very nice at all,

im thinking of making a slot for the marquee to slide into from above


Good Choice, I didn't make a slot for my marquee to slide into and I am now paying the price. Yep that overhanging Bracket is almost exactly what mine looks like currently  :P I have a feeling some very careful routing will be in my immediate future  :banghead:

You have certainly come a long way since your early builds!   :D

Yes I have, thank you. Good luck with your build "colindecon"

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

He's all grown up now..... :'( :'( :'( :'(

Soon he won't need us at all. Well except to explain what those funny style electrical sockets he saw lots of recently are.  :laugh2:
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: CoryBee on March 05, 2013, 08:47:38 am
Haha, I noticed as well when soldering that the iron heated up uber fast in Ireland.

I knew they were funny looking and 240v or what have you, what I wasn't sure of was what country's used which style. I think the french use a two round pronged plug.
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 05, 2013, 10:54:33 am
Haha, I noticed as well when soldering that the iron heated up uber fast in Ireland.

I knew they were funny looking and 240v or what have you, what I wasn't sure of was what country's used which style. I think the french use a two round pronged plug.



er.... Plug?
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 05, 2013, 04:11:39 pm
I did a mockup like you said and i feel its perfect even with 8 buttons, me and the wifey had an imaginary game :P

Sorry about the poor hole positions, i was using a step/cone cutter

(http://i47.tinypic.com/180h88.jpg)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Unstupid on March 05, 2013, 04:15:31 pm
gotta love them 8-button fighters!    :D
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Yvan256 on March 05, 2013, 05:36:15 pm
Good luck in your build, colindecon.

... "colindecon" is a strange name, sounds like something in French-Canadian but I don't want to translate it, in case it's just a coincidence.  ???
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 06, 2013, 12:17:20 pm
Good luck in your build, colindecon.

... "colindecon" is a strange name, sounds like something in French-Canadian but I don't want to translate it, in case it's just a coincidence.  ???

i would love to know the translation :D

Well my name is Colin Higgins

Decon was just a nick name


And thanks i need all the luck i can muster :)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 06, 2013, 03:56:42 pm
Got Homebase to cut me some MDF so i can trial my sizes and see what it looks like in real, might be all the right sizes i need already if im lucky  ;)


(http://i49.tinypic.com/33c6gdt.jpg)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 06, 2013, 05:12:03 pm
Dont want to drill out any holes yet, does this seem ok?


(http://i48.tinypic.com/ixqur8.jpg)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Drnick on March 06, 2013, 05:16:21 pm
Its going to be a little squeezy in there, but yep that looks fine.  I take it you made sure to print the layouts at full size with no scaling/resizing
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: jmike on March 06, 2013, 05:34:38 pm
How wide is that control panel?
You said the mock up felt good so it should be okay.
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: PL1 on March 06, 2013, 10:08:56 pm
Dont want to drill out any holes yet, does this seem ok?

Have you tried a cardboard test panel yet?  (Cheaper and less messy than making an MDF test panel.)

A test panel lets you confirm the feel in 3 dimensions for the actual button layout.


Scott
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 07, 2013, 03:14:56 am
Its going to be a little squeezy in there, but yep that looks fine.  I take it you made sure to print the layouts at full size with no scaling/resizing

yes its all correct :)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 07, 2013, 03:16:08 am
Dont want to drill out any holes yet, does this seem ok?

Have you tried a cardboard test panel yet?  (Cheaper and less messy than making an MDF test panel.)

A test panel lets you confirm the feel in 3 dimensions for the actual button layout.


Scott



i did it on some hardboard and it was ok for me and wifey to use
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 07, 2013, 03:17:11 am
How wide is that control panel?
You said the mock up felt good so it should be okay.


its 500mm by 212mm
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: jmike on March 07, 2013, 07:38:19 am
How wide is that control panel?
You said the mock up felt good so it should be okay.


its 500mm by 212mm

That's about 19 inches or so.
The bartop I just made is 22 inches across (558 mm) and it's pretty comfortable when playing 2-player fighting games.
You can check out my build here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,130529.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,130529.0.html)

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 07, 2013, 05:22:59 pm
How wide is that control panel?
You said the mock up felt good so it should be okay.


its 500mm by 212mm

That's about 19 inches or so.
The bartop I just made is 22 inches across (558 mm) and it's pretty comfortable when playing 2-player fighting games.
You can check out my build here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,130529.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,130529.0.html)

 :cheers:



ooooooo  curvy ;)
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 13, 2013, 07:08:03 pm
(http://i47.tinypic.com/eu249v.jpg)


progress so far on my Test/Practice build
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 21, 2013, 06:09:13 am
(http://i48.tinypic.com/55mil4.png)

Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: EMDB on March 21, 2013, 08:08:08 am
Nice design although I find it a bit dark with a black background, black sticks and black buttons. Have you considered using red buttons?
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: colindecon on March 21, 2013, 11:41:09 am
Nice design although I find it a bit dark with a black background, black sticks and black buttons. Have you considered using red buttons?

i have not thought of that, i had black buttons already so i wasnt even thinking of any other colors, sounds nice though, i have a think :)

Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: CWorley on March 21, 2013, 11:59:27 am

What do you mean by "marquee retainers hanging over the side panels" ?

I mean, like these:
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee1.jpg)
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

unstupid, what causes this to happen?  What can someone do to prevent the retainers from hanging over the side panels?
Title: Re: Wickcade 2 Player BarTop
Post by: BobA on March 21, 2013, 12:03:28 pm
To prevent the holder from hanging over the edges just recess the front edges of the area where the marquee goes.  If the top panel and the bottom panel of the marquee area were 1/4 inch behind the sides of the panel there would be no overhang.   Adjust the 1/4 inch recess as required for your holder and plexi.
Title: Re: Wickcade 2 Player BarTop
Post by: CoryBee on March 21, 2013, 02:29:27 pm
To prevent the holder from hanging over the edges just recess the front edges of the area where the marquee goes.  If the top panel and the bottom panel of the marquee area were 1/4 inch behind the sides of the panel there would be no overhang.   Adjust the 1/4 inch recess as required for your holder and plexi.

Precisely.
Title: Re: Bartop Arcade 2013
Post by: Unstupid on March 21, 2013, 07:19:22 pm

What do you mean by "marquee retainers hanging over the side panels" ?

I mean, like these:
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee1.jpg)
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/marquee2.jpg)

unstupid, what causes this to happen?  What can someone do to prevent the retainers from hanging over the side panels?

Lack of planning..... Draw (by hand/by CAD) what you plan on building before you start cutting.  I lay everything out in Rhino (3d cad software) before I start cutting to make sure everything fits and makes sense before I send it to be cut!    ;)
Title: Re: Wickcade 2 Player BarTop
Post by: colindecon on March 23, 2013, 03:33:19 pm
would this be good to use?

http://www.wetwallsandceilings.co.uk/products/product.php?categoryID=&productID=50 (http://www.wetwallsandceilings.co.uk/products/product.php?categoryID=&productID=50)
Title: Re: Wickcade 2 Player BarTop
Post by: Oniboi on June 08, 2016, 01:02:02 am
Did you finish the bartop? Also what's the dimensions you used.. I love the cp layout. Looking to do a hybrid 2plyer starcade with 6button with 2player,2select, and 2 admin button top of cp. Any plans would be great thanks..