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Title: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: HanoiBoi on August 03, 2010, 08:11:05 am: I just put together a PC to begin a pinball cab build, but with VP9 running the graphics are less than smooth. Actually they are very 'jagged' The flippers are the most noticeable, but it's pretty obvious on most curved lines.

I've got a GTS 250 1GB Nvidia graphics card and it's currently connected via HDMI to a 40" Proscan 40LD45Q LCDTV. I've got Win XP loaded, a Quad core processor with 4GB RAM. I've tried various settings in the TV, Windows and NVidia, but I can't seem to get this thing to a decent look.

I've searched here and in Hyperpin/Hyperspin, but can't seem to find a fix. I'm beginning to think this is simple, but that I'm glossing over it...

Any epiphanies out there?

Thanks in advance!

(I didn't post this in the Hyperpin/Hyperspin forums as I only have VP9 loaded at the moment)
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Smeghead on September 02, 2010, 11:33:17 am: Yeah ive seen razor sharp pictures of VP and I cant seem to get it sharp either.
Must be something to do with anti-aliasing but I cant figure out how to achieve it either
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: RayB on September 02, 2010, 01:03:07 pm: What resolution are you running it at? That's the biggest influence on "jaggies".
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Smeghead on September 02, 2010, 02:43:06 pm: This is what I want mine to look like!

http://www.imged.org/71/wip50.jpg (http://www.imged.org/71/wip50.jpg)
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: newmanfamilyvlogs on September 02, 2010, 03:49:52 pm: Quote from: Smeghead on September 02, 2010, 02:43:06 pm
This is what I want mine to look like!

http://www.imged.org/71/wip50.jpg (http://www.imged.org/71/wip50.jpg)

To me that looks horrible. I see no anti-aliasing and the transparencies on the various tubes just look like every-other-pixel dithering.
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Smeghead on September 02, 2010, 04:23:54 pm: well it looks 100x better than what I can achieve with GOOD hardware - how?
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Smeghead on September 03, 2010, 01:39:43 am: I found if I hit F1 when 'in game' you can set the anti aliasing to 100 instead of 50, seems to help some
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: atog on September 09, 2010, 10:52:11 am: Try going into your nvidia control panel and forcing anti aliasing and anisotropic filtering to max in all applications, see if that helps.
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: HanoiBoi on October 04, 2010, 09:00:03 pm: Quote from: RayB on September 02, 2010, 01:03:07 pm
What resolution are you running it at? That's the biggest influence on "jaggies".

I've tried just about every resolution offered in Windows. Is there a specific resolution that I should be using?

As far as NVIDIA goes with anti-aliasing and anisotropic, I see many settings that appear to be related and what I've found, I've tried setting to max. Here are some examples:

NVIDIA Control Panel 2.4.370.04

3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Anisotropic filtering =16x
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Antialiasing - Gama correction =On
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Antialiasing - Mode =Override any application
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Antialiasing - Setting =16xQ
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Antialiasing - Transparency =Supersampling
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Texture filtering - Anisotropic sample optimization =Off
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Texture filtering - Negative LOD bias =Clamp
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Texture filtering - Quality =Quality
3D Setting / Manage 3d settings / Texture filtering - Trilinear Optimization =Off

Are there settings that I'm missing?
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: pinballwizard79 on October 05, 2010, 10:55:57 pm: Pretty sure thats just how it is dude
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Smeghead on October 07, 2010, 01:22:07 am: Any more thoughts on this?
I cant believe this is the best I can achieve with great hardware and all anti alias settings cranked to the max
Screen res in VP set to 1680 * 1050 * 32
(http://www.alterna-uo.net/images/jaggedy.jpg)

it looks pretty crap and I KNOW ive seen better than this from peoples screenshots
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Malenko on October 07, 2010, 09:57:19 am: JPEG dithering doesnt help. post a png. that looks pretty good to me , but what do I know
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Smeghead on October 07, 2010, 10:29:03 am: well trust me thats exactly what it looks like on screen :dunno
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: Malenko on October 07, 2010, 01:00:26 pm: it looks better then mine, so I dont really have much advice. My running (barely) on very lowly hardware.
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: rusolinio on December 12, 2010, 02:59:36 am: I had the same problem. Changed to vp8, and the jaggy pixels are a distant memory....
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: HanoiBoi on December 12, 2010, 09:15:19 am: Quote from: rusolinio on December 12, 2010, 02:59:36 am
I had the same problem. Changed to vp8, and the jaggy pixels are a distant memory....

Interesting. I may try that just to see and confirm that with my hardware, it is possible to get a crisper picture. But, for a pinball cabinet build, I've got to use VP9 with Fullscreen tables. VP8 is not an option for me.
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: dmarcum99 on December 28, 2010, 11:35:25 pm: what's the native res on your monitor? If it's not 1680x1050 then that could be the issue. The monitor's built-in scaling could be jacking things up if you're not runninig at it's native rez.
Title: Re: VP9 graphics are very jagged, not smooth - extremely noticeable in flippers
Post by: newmanfamilyvlogs on December 29, 2010, 06:11:06 am: that wouldn't affect the screenshots.