Unless there is a compelling reason, why change what seems to be working ?
Unless there is a compelling reason, why change what seems to be working ?
Wouldn't simply not going to the Politics and Religion section work equally well? I'm really not trying to antagonize you. That is a sincere question. I think that it goes without saying that the current system isn't "working" or this thread would not exist. What you mean to say is, "why change what seems to be working for me?" And that seems like a rather selfish way of looking at it. Again, I'm not trying to be snarky. I genuinely believe that it takes an emotionally unstable person to want to ruin the PnR section for those who are interested in it because he is unable to exercise the extraordinarily small amount of self-control it would take to simply stay out of that section.
But now that "opt out" is on the table, I am just amazed at your position. You could click opt-out and never see PnR again. It would not exist for you. Everything would stay the same for you as it is now. Yet you still want to go out of your way to make sure that other people cannot do something that they enjoy doing, even though it wouldn't affect you at all. I'm sorry, but that strikes me as emotionally unstable.
in which he calls people who disagreed with him "emotionally unstable", "---maternal-smurfs---" and "people should be required to wear helmets and mittens while surfing the internet",
I'm afraid of what it does to the rest of this place.
And it doesn't take PnR to have things get wild with a Xiaou or Ummon or Tommy.
I am kinda saddened that you think that saint caved to pressure as opposed to making a decision that he thought was best for the board. If there is one thing that I have seen, since I haven't been banned and I'm sure that people have demanded it, it is that saint doesn't cave.
Vote yes.
The arguments are fun to read.
I think 50 minimum is more appropriate.
Nevertheless, I voted for opt out as an acknowledgement of the fact that Ginsu Victim exists and will continue to try to ruin things for others rather than simply addressing his own irresponsible behavior.
Honestly opt out strikes me as incredibly comical, considering PnR has its own forum. I personally think that EE was perfectly capable of separating political debate from the substantive content of BYOAC. But separating the political debate even from the EE forum into its very own specialized forum exclusively for PnR ought to be enough. You can opt out of it the same way you opt out of teenbeat.com or doratheexplorer.com or realclearpolitics.com every single day of your life. Just don't go there, for crying out loud. And if you DO go there, take some bloody responsibility for your actions. Your exposure to unwanted political discourse is your own fault. You had to go out of your way to seek it out. So don't go about ruining good things for other people because of your own personal lack of self control.
Nevertheless, I voted for opt out as an acknowledgement of the fact that Ginsu Victim exists and will continue to try to ruin things for others rather than simply addressing his own irresponsible behavior.
::)
I just wanted to have an opt out . . .
I say keep it like it is (which was my vote)
a higher posting minimum . . . is in order. I think 50 minimum is more appropriate.
Are there really only 6 members or is that just an exaggeration?no its more than 6, but we all know each other pretty well by now, well enough for example for me to know that shmokes is in one of his moods at the moment :P
no its more than 6, but we all know each other pretty well by now, well enough for example for me to know that shmokes is in one of his moods at the moment :P
So Malenko, let me see if I understand your position. It sounds like you're saying that the Everything Else section and the Politics n Religion section should be permanently deleted?
Right . . . I had to extrapolate the part about the Everything Else section based on your strong position against discussion of non-arcade-related things being discussed on an arcade message board.*I'll take the bait *sigh*
*just between you and me and don't tell anyone, but it was actually a rather backhanded remark. ;)
I'm an ---uvula--- all the time, but at least I have the testicular fortitude to fess up to it.
Oh . . . I don't know. I don't really think I'm too much of an ---uvula---, though judging by my tactless picture caption I don't discount the possibility that it may be a debatable proposition.I feel like I'm talking to Genesim.......
By the way, did you say that Politics and Religion are not covered by the term Everything Else? I'm going to have to check out a dictionary when I get a moment. I could have sworn that I knew the definition of Everything Else off the top of my head, but maybe it means something other than what I thought. :dunno
But in the future I endeavor to comply with your demands. I will diligently seek to understand how dog fighting, falling through ceilings, cheesecake, the crappy job market and recipes revolving around bacon are appropriate topics for an arcade message board. And health care, the post office, intelligent design in the public school curriculum, death trains, and government censorship are obviously inappropriate.
Wait . . . I think I'm being backhanded again. Sorry.
As for daily contributors I'd say you have Mr. C, Dexter, Patrickl, Wunder. I used to be one, but my posting there has dropped off sharply and I'll frequently go weeks at a time without posting there now, and when I am participating it's usually only half-heartedly in one or two threads. On top of that you have periodic posts from Dartful, Ed, Frizzle, Saint, pinballjim, polaris. A few others make occasional appearances ,e.g., Fredster, who used to post multiple times per day, will show up and post something once or twice a year.Recently my "daily contribution" can't have been more than something like 1 post a day. I got too depressed seeing MrC debate with ... wel noone really. Would be nice to get some eloquent Republicans in there.
I wouldn't be surprised if 6 is an exaggeration of the average number of people contributing on a given day.
PnR should at the minum stay how it is.
PnR should at the minum stay how it is.
At a minimum. If I had my way we'd take it a step further and have the participants murdered.
I say delete the forum, this is arcade controls not everything else . . . .
yes yes you can retort with "then dont go there" but I can retort to you with "go to a forum that's purpose is to discuss EE"
Beat me to it ... dammit! :angry:
if you dont like what you see or read DONT LOOK OR READ IT that should be the end of the story, why does everyone on the forum or whatever the case may be have to pay for it.
tommy and shmokes on the same side ... who'd a thunk it ?
I've really lost all interest in splitting EE, I'm just jumping on the "get shmokes' knickers in a twist" bandwagon. ;D
Actually, after further reflection, I think that there is a very simple way to decide on the best course of action.
"What would Stingray do?"
;)
Melenko, just to help you understand, allow me to show you your argument for why PnR should not exist here. I have made a few strategic edits to help illustrate how your argument against PnR parallels a similar argument that could be just as legitimately levelled at EE:I say delete the forum, this is arcade controls not everything else . . . .
yes yes you can retort with "then dont go there" but I can retort to you with "go to a forum that's purpose is to discuss EE"
The secret to understanding what I'm saying is to realize that I don't think the content of PnR is the same as the content of EE. But the content of both forums are equally unrelated to building arcade controls and, thus, the argument you made against PnR are equally applicable to EE. See the difference there?
Let me use your logic here. Saint is wrong for not allowing discussion of ROMs , Warez,and pr0n in everything else because its "everything else" . Its "Everything Else" not "Anything goes";D
I showed you the obvious flaw in your "logic" when discussing how MaLa must not be software because its not in the software forum. See the difference there?
Also, lumping "Everything Else" in with "Politics and Religion" is a fallacy, they obviously cover different things since they have their own independant sections. . . . Again, its not under the "Everything Else" umbrella so please refrain from lumping them together in any future posts on the topic.
Oh yeah, I misspelled minimum because I was in a rush to leave work.
I dont understand how you get away with having it there.
I compare it to a diseased hooker on the corner, you think its fine for her to be there that if I ignore her that's the same as her not being there. I say I don't want a hooker on my street corner.
I think it's time to move this thread into PnR.
Katie, that is exactly the point, and exactly why PnR used to be great and now is only frequented by a handful of fanatics (the people who care about the content enough to be arsed to send a PM to saint). If people had to send Saint an PM asking for special permission to access the Everything Else forum it would have exactly the same effect. Traffic to EE would drop off sharply. Only a fraction of people would continue visiting the forum which would not only deprive those people of EE, but it would deprive people in EE from those people's contributions. It's easy to say, "Well . . . those people must not care about the content of EE enough to send saint a PM." To which the only logical response is, "Well . . . yeah, obviously. So?"I used to post somewhat often in PnR, but it was the fanatics that got me to stop. It got to the point that where anything you said required a bibliography with at least 3 sources sited, and each source needed to be from sites with differing political leanings then the rest. I decided it wasn't worth the effort and decided to leave it to the fanatics, so I rarely post anything anymore.
Katie, that is exactly the point, and exactly why PnR used to be great and now is only frequented by a handful of fanatics (the people who care about the content enough to be arsed to send a PM to saint). If people had to send Saint an PM asking for special permission to access the Everything Else forum it would have exactly the same effect. Traffic to EE would drop off sharply. Only a fraction of people would continue visiting the forum which would not only deprive those people of EE, but it would deprive people in EE from those people's contributions. It's easy to say, "Well . . . those people must not care about the content of EE enough to send saint a PM." To which the only logical response is, "Well . . . yeah, obviously. So?"I used to post somewhat often in PnR, but it was the fanatics that got me to stop. It got to the point that where anything you said required a bibliography with at least 3 sources sited, and each source needed to be from sites with differing political leanings then the rest. I decided it wasn't worth the effort and decided to leave it to the fanatics, so I rarely post anything anymore.
Since you just printed it out, I've been looking through this...
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=35408.0;all (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=35408.0;all)
I say delete the forum, this is arcade controls not politics and religion.
Vote yes.
The arguments are fun to read.
Your avatar is fun to look at (",)
I compare it to a diseased hooker on the corner, you think its fine for her to be there that if I ignore her that's the same as her not being there. I say I don't want a hooker on my street corner.
What would Stingray do ?
:cheers:
I say delete the forum, this is arcade controls not politics and religion.
@Malenko
Its the very fact that the main forum is not political or religious in nature that gives the politics and religion section such a wide range of opinions. You don't just get a bunch of republicans moaning about liberals, or a bunch of christians moaning about muslims.
A politics or religion based forum would not have the range of views necessary for the type of debate you see in P+R on various issues.
My 2 cents: Open up access to P+R to any forum members with a certain post count, but without first having to send a PM to saint. Less hassle from him and more likely to add some fresh viewpoints to P+R.
The point of a minimum prerequisite is to protect the people in PnR from trolls.
Let's not become like the Canadians at U of Ottowa.
Made a decision yet? Also, since we seem to be heading toward a more adult attitude on discourse, is the IGNORE feature going to be rearing it's head again, or are we resilient enough to handle contrary viewpoints? Let's not become like the Canadians at U of Ottowa.The ignore feature is not to block out contrary viewpoints, but to block out people who write mostly useless replies.
Hey guys - I've had two things that are distracting me so I'm putting this to the side right now.
1. I've been threatened with a lawyer.
2. My father's had a heart attack.
1. I've been threatened with a lawyer.Shmokes is technically not a lawyer yet is he?
As for the lawyer.....I hope he has a heart attack.
As for the lawyer.....I hope he has a heart attack.
I wouldn't wish that on most people. Especially non-existent (in this case) lawyers :lol
I think 50 minimum is more appropriate.
The point of a minimum prerequisite is to protect the people in PnR from trolls. If you would opt out why would you possibly prefer a 50 minimum to a 10 minimum?
Are there really only 6 members or is that just an exaggeration?
Yeah I remember a couple (literally a couple) of religious fanatics that just posted 10 useless posts in EE so they could be annoying in PNR.
I think 50 minimum is more appropriate.
The point of a minimum prerequisite is to protect the people in PnR from trolls. If you would opt out why would you possibly prefer a 50 minimum to a 10 minimum?
I realised that really, what would be better to keep away trolls is a 10 DAY minimum. After all, how hard is it to rack up any number of posts if you're itchin' for a fight? But wait 10 days and the moment has passed...
Yeah I remember a couple (literally a couple) of religious fanatics that just posted 10 useless posts in EE so they could be annoying in PNR.
I think 50 minimum is more appropriate.
The point of a minimum prerequisite is to protect the people in PnR from trolls. If you would opt out why would you possibly prefer a 50 minimum to a 10 minimum?
I realised that really, what would be better to keep away trolls is a 10 DAY minimum. After all, how hard is it to rack up any number of posts if you're itchin' for a fight? But wait 10 days and the moment has passed...
Maybe if you make that a daily requirement they would simply just do that every day though.
But what are we gonna do about all the people that don't actually own any arcade games but live in that forum? ;)
I'm not going to leave the site . . . I just think it's sad to see even Saint get so jaded and end up acting more or less like a Republican. He still runs a great site and I appreciate him a great deal. I've just lost a little respect for him.
Wow, that was unexpected. I don't think anyone was saying PnR was hurting the site overall in its current state since only the few people who really wanted to see it could see it. Kind of crazy how a discussion on whether PnR should be open to all resulted with it being open to none.
Thursday. Lazy ass. You can find it on your computer.Wow, that was unexpected. I don't think anyone was saying PnR was hurting the site overall in its current state since only the few people who really wanted to see it could see it. Kind of crazy how a discussion on whether PnR should be open to all resulted with it being open to none.
What day is it? ::)
Wow, that was unexpected. I don't think anyone was saying PnR was hurting the site overall in its current state since only the few people who really wanted to see it could see it. Kind of crazy how a discussion on whether PnR should be open to all resulted with it being open to none.
What day is it? ::)
What day is it? ::)
Wow, that was unexpected. I don't think anyone was saying PnR was hurting the site overall in its current state since only the few people who really wanted to see it could see it. Kind of crazy how a discussion on whether PnR should be open to all resulted with it being open to none.
What day is it? ::)
The day freedom died at BYOAC. :embarassed:
Yes, of course, it is April Fool's day, and this was my annual feeble effort :)
I can't access PnR, but I think that it is neither a problem nor an accident!
:P
Ginsu, NOOOOOOOO. It's like crack.
Can you re-hide it until you have the option in place to opt-out? I don't want to see all those topics in "unread posts since last visit" link.
Kthxbai...
Can you re-hide it until you have the option in place to opt-out? I don't want to see all those topics in "unread posts since last visit" link.
Kthxbai...
True dat
You're not a regular member.
/me waits for the jokes to write themselves...
But at the other place, the admin waits for ... well, everything ...You're not a regular member.Wrong forum.
/me waits for the jokes to write themselves...
talk about re-opening the flood gates!
Politics 'n Religion 2 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this board.
and I was 1 of them at the time.
I'm assuming/hoping the forum will be closed again at midnight, when april fools is over.
Heh. I've only got so much April Fool's in me, and this morning was all she wrote. 70% of the folks who voted wanted it open so.... :dunno
LOL . . . Malenko, what in the name of god are you doing in PnR? Need I remind you how you feel about that place? ;D
Not so sure you have the prerequisites to use an expression such as "name of god" when you are godless.
Not so sure you have the prerequisites to use an expression such as "name of god" when you are godless.
Wrong forum. Take it to P&R.