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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: SlammedNiss on March 08, 2017, 03:08:43 am
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So I was offering up for sale an original Windows Vista COA and 1gb stick of ram.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162147510738 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/162147510738)
Buyer makes the purchase. I send it off, they have it within a couple of days. Shortly after I get a message wanting to know where to download the software. I wasn't near a computer (I was out of the house at the time) so I reply back via my phone that I wasn't sure, but to check Microsoft's website, and if it isn't available there then he might have to try finding it via a torrent. He messages me back stating something about an "implied warranty" and that I should have known where to acquire the software before I sold it to him. I replied back again with a link to download the software I found via Google and then a short statement stating that the software was never part of the deal, and even the auction page states (3x) that nothing, other than the COA and 1gb stick of RAM, was included. He just sent me another message saying he's going to "just go to ebay, or paypal" about it.
I think this guy is a few cards shy of a full deck. What should I do. I know regardless of what I say, eBay always sides with the buyer, but I refuse to give in so easily just because.
Here's his most recent reply to me.
you are forgetting that you admitted you did not know where to download the program, until I had already gone to another buyer and successfully downloaded Windows Vista with the information that seller gave me. If you would have initially provided that information we would have had a deal. As it now stands we do not have a deal and all your ranting that it was what you advertised is bunk. Lets to to ebay and ger this resolved.It is not about the money, it is about you not knowing how I could get it downloaded until I got it resolved by going to another buyer. .You should have reserached the source before the sale. As it happened you did not and by time you did I acted on your breach of warranty and voided the deal. Lets just go to ebay, or paypal.
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it is probably best to just stop engaging him. He will get bored and nothing will come of it.
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He has no come back so dont swet it.
The listing clearly says coa and ram only.
There is no mention of software thats his problem.
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I hope both of you are right. I'm just sick of buyers taking advantage of eBay's buyer guarantee. It's just hard not to get pissed because it seems no matter what the seller does or say, they almost always side with the buyer. If they would take just a moment to read thru actual complaints, they'd see that a lot of times the buyer is in the wrong.
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Best to just not argue with him - Just tell him the listing clearly stated that only the COA and Dimm were included and that is what he received and it also clearly says no returns since once received the product key is not able to be resold.
I'd also remove :
My feedback is very important to me. I always return positive feedback once received. If for any reason you feel you have not had a positive transaction, please contact me before leaving feedback. Check my feedback and bid with confidence!
As that is probably what led him to your listing when he ordered with the intention of doing this in the first place - Since you care about your feedback !
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Just tell him the listing clearly stated that only the COA and Dimm were included and that is what he received and it also clearly says no returns
I have, numerous times already. He keeps coming up with this so-called "implied warranty" he linked to on wikipedia. I'm telling you, the guy's elevator doesn't go to the top floor. When I get some time, I'll post up screenshots of all our correspondence because it's almost comical. I'm still waiting to see if he gets ebay or paypal involved. He usually goes 3 or 4 days between contacting me with his next rant.
And btw, to Mike A, I feel like I should continually respond because if he does finally file a complaint, I don't want him to be able to say I just ignored him.
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$13, dude. $13.
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Was the COA shrink wrapped with the M$ hologram, or was it a sticker on a piece of paper? If it was shrink wrapped OEM, then you are OK. If it was a sticker attached to a piece of paper, you could have problems. Either way, best that you keep good communication with the buyer, and if he wants a refund, then I would oblige him. I remember a news story, where a guy sold a printer on craigslist for $40 and he got into a real problem with a lawsuit happy guy back east(ern European).
http://time.com/money/4359964/lawsuit-printer-craigslist/ (http://time.com/money/4359964/lawsuit-printer-craigslist/)
When I see ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like this, it makes me think twice before I sell anything online.
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$13, dude. $13.
And your point? If you mean I should just refund him because it's only $13, then no. Why should I be the one who gets shafted just because some imbecile doesn't take the time to read the description. He's already agreed he received everything he purchased (it's been 2+ weeks now since he actually received it) and the only thing he's mad about is something that was never agreed to be included in the first place.
Was the COA shrink wrapped with the M$ hologram, or was it a sticker on a piece of paper? If it was shrink wrapped OEM, then you are OK. If it was a sticker attached to a piece of paper, you could have problems. Either way, best that you keep good communication with the buyer, and if he wants a refund, then I would oblige him. I remember a news story, where a guy sold a printer on craigslist for $40 and he got into a real problem with a lawsuit happy guy back east(ern European).
http://time.com/money/4359964/lawsuit-printer-craigslist/ (http://time.com/money/4359964/lawsuit-printer-craigslist/)
When I see ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like this, it makes me think twice before I sell anything online.
eBay only requires that COA's be sold with a piece of PC hardware, hence the 1gb stick of RAM. Other than that, it was sold as-is with no warranties. He's told me he's gonna get eBay involved now for over a week, so I don't know if the guy is just fishing for a partial refund or what.
Btw, interesting read. The real difference between what I sold and that, is that I didn't sell anything that was "broken". My buyer claims I should have known how/where to obtain the software when in fact the software was never part of the auction.
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nothing is going to happen, dont worry about it
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And your point? If you mean I should just refund him because it's only $13, then no. Why should I be the one who gets shafted just because some imbecile doesn't take the time to read the description. He's already agreed he received everything he purchased (it's been 2+ weeks now since he actually received it) and the only thing he's mad about is something that was never agreed to be included in the first place.
My point was a gentle reminder that you are exerting a lot of mental energy over $13. There is no sense continuing to argue with the buyer, and if he escalates it then make your case to E-bay/Paypal and get on with life.
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I hope both of you are right. I'm just sick of buyers taking advantage of eBay's buyer guarantee. It's just hard not to get pissed because it seems no matter what the seller does or say, they almost always side with the buyer. If they would take just a moment to read thru actual complaints, they'd see that a lot of times the buyer is in the wrong.
Yup. I sold a smartphone a couple years back. No less than three times in the listing I mentioned, including once in bold, that it was a locked AT&T phone that would only work on AT&T.
It gets delivered and less than an hour later I get a message from the buyer complaining that it doesn't work on T-Mobile. And of course I was screwed because eBay seemingly automatically sides with the buyer.
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Agreed about moving on. Some buyers are gonna be ---punks---. Just wait for the ebay inquiry and state your case and move on. All of my auctions have a 15 day money back policy. If a buyer is not happy I just have them ship it back to me at their expense. Its a cost of doing business. I think in 15 years of selling on ebay (a couple of hundred auctions) I have only had 2 folks give me a hard time.
Is this guy a dick? Probably. Don't let it bother you though. :)
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With 300 plus views of this thread the time value wasted for everyone involved has far exceeded the $13 sale price.
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Why hasn't this thread been insta-deleted?
I want to read about arcade controls, go to ebay seller central if you want to ---smurfette--- about about ebay buyers.
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Why hasn't this thread been insta-deleted?
I want to read about arcade controls, go to ebay seller central if you want to ---smurfette--- about about ebay buyers.
You must be new here.... ;-)
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Is this where we start debating the morality of 60 in 1 boards?
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it's a shame you engaged him in conversation at all.... your response should have always been "the auction was only for a COA and memory. no software was offered in this auction".
if he left you negative feedback due to this, perhaps ebay would retract it if you explained to them that this person was leaving negative feedback solely due to him not receiving something which was never advertised/offered/implied in the first place.
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Is this where we start debating the morality of 60 in 1 boards?
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HELL NO! DON'T GIVE IN! This maniac will keep on screwing others, just because he imagined something. Fight tooth and nail with eBay and PayPal and that A-(_o_)! And I am NOT joking! I can't take that kind of people or both of those companies. It's not about $13. Bruise his ego, make the folks at eBay and PayPal earn their money!
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it's a shame you engaged him in conversation at all.... your response should have always been "the auction was only for a COA and memory. no software was offered in this auction".
if he left you negative feedback due to this, perhaps ebay would retract it if you explained to them that this person was leaving negative feedback solely due to him not receiving something which was never advertised/offered/implied in the first place.
That's exactly what I keep telling him.. See, you get it, why doesn't he? Here is one of those times I told him that, then his response follows.
(http://i.imgur.com/oppyEEK.png)
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KEEP DIGGING
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That was one of the very first replies I sent him back on Feb. 24th. That's how long this guy has been threatening me to get eBay involved. If he hasn't done it by now, I'm thinking he never will.
Here's another one of his crazy messages to me. I like how he links to wikipedia like it has any standing on eBay. This was also back on Feb. 24th.
(http://i.imgur.com/IWsSwR5.png)
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I don't think this subject has been discussed enough yet. We definitely need to research this issue further.
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I don't think this subject has been discussed enough yet. We definitely need to research this issue further.
If you aren't interested in discussing further, you could, you know, not click on the subject link...
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Is this where we start debating the morality of 60 in 1 boards?
Or the legality of selling a COA with a piece of RAM....
BUT....for the lousy $13 bucks you can:
1. Have the person send back his COA and memory and refund him the $13
2. Refuse the refund. Stop replying. See where it goes.
AND...who gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about one bad review. Seriously.
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Is this where we start debating the morality of 60 in 1 boards?
Or the legality of selling a COA with a piece of RAM....
BUT....for the lousy $13 bucks you can:
1. Have the person send back his COA and memory and refund him the $13
2. Refuse the refund. Stop replying. See where it goes.
AND...who gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about one bad review. Seriously.
It's completely legal to sell used COA's on eBay. eBay's only requirement is that you sell it with a piece of original hardware (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/software.html).
I offered a refund on the 24th and again on the 28th. He never took me up on it. I assume from his last message to me that he's using the COA because he said he got a link to the software from another eBayer. I honestly think he's just fishing for a partial refund for his inconvenience of having to locate the install software himself.
By "bad review" I assume you mean feedback. Yea, I'm not concerned about that. At this time, he hasn't left feedback. Would only be my 2nd negative in about 18 years, and now they don't count after a year anyway. The rest of my feedback is stellar.
At this point, all I can do is wait to see what he does. If he does file a complaint, all I can do is hope eBay will actually take the time to read thru our messages and see things from my point of view.
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Apparently some people have never encountered sarcasm or humor before.
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Apparently some people have never encountered sarcasm or humor before.
Sarcasm is really hard to detect in text only. I've gotten in the habit of adding a </sarcasm> tag when I'm being sarcastic. If I offended you, please accept my apology.
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Dude. This is pretend online world. You didn't offend me. If you started murdering babies or puppies I would get upset.
I was just making light of the fact that if any thread goes on long enough the 60 in 1 debate weasels its way in. Its kind of like Godwin's Law.
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Dude. This is pretend online world. You didn't offend me. If you started murdering babies or puppies I would get upset.
I was just making light of the fact that if any thread goes on long enough the 60 in 1 debate weasels its way in. Its kind of like Godwin's Law.
Please just let it go. You are not being funny. I accidentally got roped in your trolling methods, please do not hijack this thread. We were having a nice discussion, now it is being side tracked yet again. If you want to continue with your trolling, please just find a mirror. Thank you.
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Oh please. Stop being an arkh***. I do think it is funny that you cannot resist me. It is OK Ark. I don't swing that way, but I am flattered.
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Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone know where the bar is?
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Tell him if he wants an install CD, then try eBay. Then promptly ignore him.
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Nah, he needs to make good on that implied consent warranty.
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Dude. This is pretend online world. You didn't offend me. If you started murdering babies or puppies I would get upset.
I was just making light of the fact that if any thread goes on long enough the 60 in 1 debate weasels its way in. Its kind of like Godwin's Law.
Please just let it go. You are not being funny. I accidentally got roped in your trolling methods, please do not hijack this thread. We were having a nice discussion, now it is being side tracked yet again. If you want to continue with your trolling, please just find a mirror. Thank you.
Is trolling a troll really trolling? :)
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:lol
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Tell him if he wants an install CD, then try eBay. Then promptly ignore him.
Silence is golden on this situation, especially if you offered a remedy.
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If it were me I would address him like this "This is my last reply to you and I will let Ebay/Paypal mediate from here. It was stated 3 times in the listing what you would and would not receive. It is also YOUR responsibility as a buyer to read the auction carefully. There was no willful intent in this auction to misguide or distort any facts of said items." Simply respond no further beyond something like this and just let Fleabay handle it. You've got stickers to print :cheers:
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I don't know why I am here..... :dunno
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I don't know why I am here..... :dunno
eat burgers and play classic arcade games.
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Is this where we start debating the morality of 60 in 1 boards?
Or the legality of selling a COA with a piece of RAM....
BUT....for the lousy $13 bucks you can:
1. Have the person send back his COA and memory and refund him the $13
2. Refuse the refund. Stop replying. See where it goes.
AND...who gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about one bad review. Seriously.
It's completely legal to sell used COA's on eBay. eBay's only requirement is that you sell it with a piece of original hardware (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/software.html).
I offered a refund on the 24th and again on the 28th. He never took me up on it. I assume from his last message to me that he's using the COA because he said he got a link to the software from another eBayer. I honestly think he's just fishing for a partial refund for his inconvenience of having to locate the install software himself.
By "bad review" I assume you mean feedback. Yea, I'm not concerned about that. At this time, he hasn't left feedback. Would only be my 2nd negative in about 18 years, and now they don't count after a year anyway. The rest of my feedback is stellar.
At this point, all I can do is wait to see what he does. If he does file a complaint, all I can do is hope eBay will actually take the time to read thru our messages and see things from my point of view.
Thank you for the link as you proved the very point. The specific language is, "OEM, bundled, or recovery software may be listed only if it is included along with the original hardware, such as the motherboard, hard drive, or computer sold with the OEM software."
A stick of memory does not constitute "the original hardware" whereas the motherboard, hard drive, or computer with the OEM software would.
Same goes for your "bad review". The average person understands that there are ---uvulas--- out there who are going to give a bad review. Boo hoo.
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If it were me I would address him like this "This is my last reply to you and I will let Ebay/Paypal mediate from here. It was stated 3 times in the listing what you would and would not receive. It is also YOUR responsibility as a buyer to read the auction carefully. There was no willful intent in this auction to misguide or distort any facts of said items." Simply respond no further beyond something like this and just let Fleabay handle it. You've got stickers to print :cheers:
I think this is the way to go.
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I don't know why I am here..... :dunno
Kenneth, what is the frequency?
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I cant wait till season two of this epic drama comes out.
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Thank you for the link as you proved the very point. The specific language is, "OEM, bundled, or recovery software may be listed only if it is included along with the original hardware, such as the motherboard, hard drive, or computer sold with the OEM software."
A stick of memory does not constitute "the original hardware" whereas the motherboard, hard drive, or computer with the OEM software would.
Same goes for your "bad review". The average person understands that there are ---uvulas--- out there who are going to give a bad review. Boo hoo.
Just because eBay doesn't name every specific computer component doesn't mean it's not allowed. If it wasn't allowed, eBay would have pulled the auction. I've sold several various OEM COA's in the last year, all with a single stick of RAM.
And what "bad review" are you talking about?
If it were me I would address him like this "This is my last reply to you and I will let Ebay/Paypal mediate from here. It was stated 3 times in the listing what you would and would not receive. It is also YOUR responsibility as a buyer to read the auction carefully. There was no willful intent in this auction to misguide or distort any facts of said items." Simply respond no further beyond something like this and just let Fleabay handle it. You've got stickers to print :cheers:
If/when he replied back I'll say just that. And yes, I do have stickers to print. Just got back from the shop where I spent all afternoon catching up on customer orders.
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So anyone notice lately when you order something off ebay with FREE shipping it shows up postage due?
I've had to message the seller and say "WTF? - not accepting this"
Then if they respond they give me some lame excuse, blame the post office then end up refunding me the money.
How weird is that?
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How many times has that actually happened to you?
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How many times has that actually happened to you?
3 so far.
Twice last month and just this week.
first for an arduino
second for some spa oxidizer
and this last one is for a roll of resistors.
we are talking < $1.50 each time but might as well just pay a few bucks more and do it through amazon.
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Never had that happen before.
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So anyone notice lately when you order something off ebay with FREE shipping it shows up postage due?
I've had to message the seller and say "WTF? - not accepting this"
Then if they respond they give me some lame excuse, blame the post office then end up refunding me the money.
How weird is that?
I had it happen last summer when I bought a M350 MiniBox PC case I was using to build a Plex server. It sold for I think $25 shipped, then arrived with $10 postage due. I left it at the PO and contacted the seller who told me it was on me. I had to explain that he could either send me the money to cover the shipping, or I could refuse the pkg. which means it would come back to him, he would lose his initial shipping charge and be forced to refund me thru eBay. It took some convincing, but he finally paid up.
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Some people just guess the weights and end up guessing low and getting caught on it sometimes.
How many times has that actually happened to you?
3 so far.
Twice last month and just this week.
first for an arduino
second for some spa oxidizer
and this last one is for a roll of resistors.
we are talking < $1.50 each time but might as well just pay a few bucks more and do it through amazon.
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first for an arduino
second for some spa oxidizer
and this last one is for a roll of resistors.
a) Awesome shopping list
b) On balance, if you think back before the internet, you'd have likely have had to pay $20 in either petrol or mail order costs.
In fact now I think of it, I blame the internet entirely for encouraging middle aged men towards increasingly esoteric and bonkers hobbies.
Lastly, in answer to the OP's original question: I'd forget about it. Like the man said, it's $13. And you can't change the world.
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first for an arduino
second for some spa oxidizer
and this last one is for a roll of resistors.
a) Awesome shopping list
b) On balance, if you think back before the internet, you'd have likely have had to pay $20 in either petrol or mail order costs to get hold of them.
In fact now I think of it, I blame the internet entirely for encouraging middle aged men towards increasingly esoteric and bonkers hobbies.
Lastly, in answer to the OP's original question: I'd forget about it. Like the man said, it's $13. And you can't change the world.
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some of the ebay guys deserve whats coming to them
bought hdmi cable. his sales page says 2 hdmi cable and still decides to send me 1. I ask about it and get no reply. I dont want to leave a negative over a dollar but they should really get their priorities straight. I ran ebay business before and I always listed things correctly. had got anything broken then I replaced it too. other day bought 2 usb snes pad and one didnt work..I ask the seller and get no reply at all :banghead:
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I was going to get burned by a questionable seller a while back. So after lengthy emails I just threatened to get paypal involved and like magic I got a return invoice. Sometimes being a bit of a jerk is the only way a customer can get justice, so I recommend looking at it from their perspective before doing anything rash. The customer is always right. (Yes, even when they are wrong they are still right as far as a seller is concerned.)
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Since this thread was bumped by somebody other than myself, I'll go ahead and update. Haven't heard a word from the guy since the 7th, so 2+ weeks now. Not sure how long he has to file a complaint (I think it's 40 or 45 days, but it have changed) but he's quickly running outta time.
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So anyone notice lately when you order something off ebay with FREE shipping it shows up postage due?
I've had to message the seller and say "WTF? - not accepting this"
Then if they respond they give me some lame excuse, blame the post office then end up refunding me the money.
How weird is that?
Blame Ebay. They started taking FEES on SHIPPING COST in an effort to encourage sellers to list with "free shipping". That's right, so if the post office charges you $10 to send a box, Ebay wants a chunk of that $10, so you have to charge the customer $12. Now imagine if you want a handling fee in there too? Then buyers complain"wahh wahh! why is your shipping so high! This seller HERE ships it for FREE!" It's a big mess thanks Amazon Prime/free shipping, sellers from China, and sellers who used to scam the system by selling 1cent items with all the cost buried in the shipping cost.
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God, shipping fees have been a major turn off for the Ebay experience. I'm still salty over the guy that charged me $12 to ship a Bad Dudes board and just threw it loose in a box. When I bitched about it, I got told, "I charge a high shipping fee to make sure I get enough money for my items."
15 years. Still mad about it.
:lol
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Amazon Prime and free 2 day shipping has ruined me for anything Ebay. The only time I turn to it now is if I can't get something on Amazon.
I sold a book on Ebay once, for $2500, and the buyer tried to scam me and say he never got it. The key with that argument is the signature from UPS. Without it, you can claim you never got something and Ebay (Paypal) will instantly refund your money if there is no signature to prove delivery. The only reason I got my money back (60 days later) was because the buyer changed his story twice in emails and when I demanded mediation and turned over the emails, they found in my favor. Of course, Paypal took their fees BOTH times, once when I was paid the first time, and then again when I was reimbursed after winning the mediation, but I still won the fight against a crappy buyer.
I still sell used computers on Ebay, and while the fees are a killer, I don't really care because any money brought back from these retired computers is found money. I would hate to rely on Ebay for my income though.
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Blame Ebay. They started taking FEES on SHIPPING COST in an effort to encourage sellers to list with "free shipping". That's right, so if the post office charges you $10 to send a box, Ebay wants a chunk of that $10, so you have to charge the customer $12. Now imagine if you want a handling fee in there too? Then buyers complain"wahh wahh! why is your shipping so high! This seller HERE ships it for FREE!" It's a big mess thanks Amazon Prime/free shipping, sellers from China, and sellers who used to scam the system by selling 1cent items with all the cost buried in the shipping cost.
Can't really blame them or the buyer - when like you mention sellers start listing with the cost of the item in the shipping to avoid paying a fee - which is made even worse for the buyer when the shipping fee is not included in a refund when you do get scammed and/or get a broken item and the shipping is not refundable.
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^This^
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customers can be asshats too. years ago I was selling a bar top and some dude showed up to get it started complaining about how "xevious dont even play" or whatever. I probably didnt have the rom or something and auction clearly say no roms even tho he still got thousands of them in there. then he tried to lowball me, things didn't work out, he goes home with nothing and leaves a negative feedback.
how about doing all that BEFORE you show up..could have saved yourself that 2 hour drive.....