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Title: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 07, 2009, 02:46:51 pm
The last 30 competitions:

#1 - Shinobi - Winner: Destructor (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=83244.0)
#2 - Jungle Hunt - Winner: CrazyKongFan (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=83889.0)
#3 - Zoo Keeper - Winner: DeLuSioNal29n (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=84546.0l)
#4 - Q*Bert - Winner: quarterstringer (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=85225.0)
#5 - Robotron 2084 - Winner: (+_+) (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=85787.0)
#6 - Joust - Winner: Shoegazer) (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=86303.0)
#7 - Elevator Action - Winner: FrontyDev (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=86740.0)
#8 - Mr Do - Winner: DeLuSioNal29 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=87233.0)
#9 - Hyper Sports - Winner: drawfull (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=87601.0)
#10 - Wonder Boy - Winner: DrFrag (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=88085.0)
#11 - Bubble Bobble - Winner: mrclean (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=88621.0)
#12 - Gun.Smoke - Winner: isucamper (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=89193.0)
#13 - Ghouls 'n Ghosts - Winner: Ginsu Victim (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=89684.0)
#14 - Ms Pac-Man (with speedup hac) - Winner: CrazyKongFan (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90149.0)
#15 - Frogger - Winner: CrazyKong Fan, Second: Jasonbar (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90774.0)
#16 - Grobda - Winner: Mimic, Second: Cornchip (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=91316.0)
#17 - Bank Panic - Winner: ahofle, Second: Jasonbar (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=91747.0)
#18 - Juno First - Winner: RayB, Second: Shoegazer (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=92149.0)
#19 - Rolling Thunder - Winner: DrFrag, Second: isucamper (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=92570.0)
#20 - Terra Cresta - Winner: isucamper, Second: Jasonbar (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=92941.0)
#21 - Gladiator - Winner: Jasonbar, Second: Hewskie (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=93412.0)
#22 - Alcon (Slap Fight) - Winner: DrFrag, Second: Bender (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=93912.0)
#23 - Galaga - Winner: quarterstringer, Second: ToddH (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=94372.0)
#24 - Defender - Winner: quarterstringer, Second: tcleary (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=94846.0)
#25 - Klax - Winner: CrazyKongFan, Second: TAG (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=95282.0)
#26 - Funny Mouse - Winner: quarterstringer, Second: Epyx (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=95697.0)
#27 - Rampart - Winner: isucamper, Second: john_abey (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=96140.0)
#28 - Satan's Hollow - Winner: jasonbar, Second: ummon (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=96614.0)
#29 - The Speed Rumbler - Winner: Epyx, Second: Mimic (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=97080.0)
#30 - Black Dragon - Winner: Epyx, Second: CrazyKongFan (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=97476.0)

Time for a vertical shooter, methinks.  Apparently, Wolfmame 1.06 isn't friendly with Raiden so I went for this title.  I played this when I was young but was never that good.  Lot's of vertical cabs lately so this might be fun to try.

Rules:

ROMSet: TwinCobr
Unknown: Off [Both]
Flip Screen: Off
Cross Hatch Pattern: Off [Both]
Difficulty: Normal
Bonus Life: 50K, Then every 150K
Lives: 3
Show DIP SW Settings: No

Special Rules: This is a Single Player ONLY variation!
  
- One credit only.

- No continues!

- No MAME cheats!

- Last day is Saturday, November 21st (11:59:59pm Pacific Daylight Time), 2009.
 
- High score wins.

- No savestates, savestate practices, etc during the round.

- MAME INP recordings are optional, but encouraged!

- A screenshot is required to enter a score (press F12 to save screenshot showing your final score) or take a photo of the screen if playing on a real machine.

- If you're a MARP competitor on this title, keep in mind this is just a friendly competition amongst forum members, so maybe you shouldn't enter. However, if you're a forum member and this is a game you're good at and nobody knows about it, this is your time to shine!


Prize:

TokenTop™ Premium Spinner Knob
  - Rubber Color: Black
  - Token Inlay: BYOAC Logo - Brass
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: mimic on November 07, 2009, 09:19:36 pm
134350 after 5 games
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: Bender on November 07, 2009, 10:34:48 pm
83980 first try

Again never played this one before...   FUN,FUN,FUN!!!

What do the P stars give you?
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: Ummon on November 07, 2009, 10:51:46 pm
I have played this before, but not much, and not in a while. I don't really like this series - or, rather, Toaplan copied this theme in '90 with Raiden - but after two tries, I managed this. It's definitely the suck if you die at all, cos getting new power-ups is a ---smurfette---, let alone while trying to dodge mega-fusillades of rounds.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: Epyx on November 08, 2009, 01:30:19 am
I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to pick this competition...my bad. It should be CrazyKongFan picking if it isn't too late?
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: mimic on November 08, 2009, 12:23:37 pm
I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to pick this competition...my bad. It should be CrazyKongFan picking if it isn't too late?

Uh, oh! Expect a visit from the wanna be board police man - ginsu victim. I'd run if I were you!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: jasonbar on November 08, 2009, 02:30:05 pm
I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to pick this competition...my bad. It should be CrazyKongFan picking if it isn't too late?

Don't worry about it--I don't see any official rules in our informal competition that lays out such rules.  I think that this situtation happened once before, when CrazyKongFan won Ms Pac-Man speed-up hack, picked Frogger, & won Frogger.  I got 2nd in Frogger, so CrazyKongFan let me pick Grobda.  That's when & why we started tracking 2nd place in these.

Unless CrazyKongFan has some hurt feelings, let's carry on.  If enough people feel that this warrants a new sentence added to our boilerplate competition intro, let us do it now & get it in writing for the next competition.

Thanks,
-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: Epyx on November 08, 2009, 02:51:54 pm
CrazyKongFan is fine with it, I just msg'd him. Although out of courtesy, and more importantly now that I know...I'll pass that on to 2nd should I ever win two again.

We should at some future point decide on making that boilerplate or not though.

Thanks for the info Jasonbar.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: jasonbar on November 08, 2009, 03:00:05 pm
Works for me--then the winner of Twin Cobra shall add a sentence to the boilerplate intro saying that you can't pick 2 games in a row--2nd place picks in that situation.

-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra
Post by: Epyx on November 08, 2009, 03:09:38 pm
*Also*, CrazyKongFan has passed on the Premium Spinner knob and elected to have the winner of this one take the prize.

So, once again the premium GGG spinner token knob is up for grabs.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: opt2not on November 08, 2009, 04:27:48 pm
Awesome! I'm hoping to participate in this one. I'm on a big SHMUP kick right now, so the game choice is perfect!
These competitions are awesome, mainly because it gives us more exposure to arcade games we might not have known about. I love looking up information on these games whenever a new comp starts. Maybe I should post this stuff more often, if anyone is interested:

Found these pictures of the cabinet, looks cool!
(http://www.arcade-history.com/images/cabinet/3002.jpg) (http://www.klov.com/images/10/1043634665.jpg) (http://www.klov.com/images/10/1043634773.jpg)

Twin Cobra ( klov (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=10231), wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Cobra), arcade-history (http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=twin-cobra&page=detail&id=3002))
Release Year: 1987
A vertical shoot-em-up. Player(s) fly helicopters firing at air and ground targets. Collect power-ups (green, blue, yellow, or red) for better fire power. Fight a 'boss' enemy at the end of each stage.

This game is known in Japan as "Kyukyoku Tiger".
Difference between Twin Cobra and Kyukyoku Tiger:
* T.C. supports two simultaneous players.
* K.T. supports two players, but only one at a time. For this reason, it also supports Table Top cabinets.
* T.C. stores 3 characters for high scores.
* K.T. stores 6 characters for high scores.
* T.C. heros are Red and Blue for player 1 and 2 respectively.
* K.T. heros are grey for both players.
* T.C. dead remains of ground tanks are circular.
* K.T. dead remains of ground tanks always vary in shape.
* T.C. continues new hero and continued game at current position.
* K.T. continues new hero and continued game at predefined positions.
* After dying and your new hero appears, if you do not travel more than your helicopter length forward, you are penalised and moved back further when your next hero appears.
* K.T. Due to this difference in continue sequence, "Kyukyoku Tiger" is MUCH harder, challenging and nearly impossible to complete !
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 08, 2009, 05:09:23 pm
Yeah, I'm ok with it :) And if anyone is curious, I chose to pass on the spinner knob to the winner of this one, hoping it would go to a better home. I have nothing with a spinner, and no room in my MAME cab for one, so it'd just be sitting in my basement unused anyway. I just like to compete in these competitions ;D
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: phatmeat on November 08, 2009, 08:07:20 pm
My best so far...Its weak but a start.
(http://)
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Bender on November 08, 2009, 08:29:49 pm
Man, it must have been beginners luck

It has taken like 20 games to beat my first score
I'm now over 100,000 but I still can't kill the big tank with one guy :banghead:
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 09, 2009, 02:01:24 am
413,850

Got most of that w/ my 1st guy & w/ the wife reminding me that we were late to go to her parents' for dinner.  I think I can top it.   ;D

-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 09, 2009, 05:42:38 pm
These competitions are awesome, mainly because it gives us more exposure to arcade games we might not have known about. I love looking up information on these games whenever a new comp starts.

One might'n guess that way back, after some presentation of the idea that was largely ignored, one had to just start a thread on it to get it going....


Winners picking successive game: um, I dunno.....I'd have to go back to the original thread to see if that was covered and how. Which brings to mind whether there might be an interest in some way of collectively archiving these, including the scores table thread?  saint?...thoughts, idea, suggestions?
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 09, 2009, 07:28:57 pm
I don't remember who mentioned it first, but it was mentioned after I won Frogger (which I picked, 2nd place picked the next game). I like the idea of letting 2nd place pick the next game if the guy who picked it won...otherwise, the same guy could just pick all the games he's good at and not let anyone else have a chance to come in 1st ;D
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 09, 2009, 07:45:36 pm
Agreed. I think 2nd should also pick the next game if 1st wins it again. Even though I wasn't aware of the "informal" rule I made sure not to pick a subsequent game I was good at...thus I went with Twin Cobra...a game that although I like, I sawk at.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 09, 2009, 10:06:30 pm
Oh. Right.

Man, I keep dying at that last double-copter with tons of tanks right before the first boss. No reason continuing after that. (Besides, I want the 'P star' bonus at round's end!) But that should be easily solved with a bomb, and by that time I have plenty to spare one.


Incidentally, controls-wise, the CP for this game blows. Not only a vertical button layout, but made for left leaders.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Jack Burton on November 10, 2009, 01:58:46 am
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8466/twin0004.png)
194,320

I'm in second place so far.  

418,000 on the first try is crazy! :dizzy:  I'm guessing you have played this game before.

The second level is much harder than the first.  I beat the first on one life no sweat, then lost all 4 lives in the first minute of the second.

The big tank is easiest with the yellow gun.  The blue gun works best on level two. 

What kind of setups do you guys play on?  My cab is disassembled at the moment, so I'm using my little 13" PVM in tate mode and a Hori Fighting stick 3.  A decent little rig that gets the job done.

The music in this game is kick-ass.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 10, 2009, 05:52:27 am
You were in second place. Not that I expect this to remain very long, cos while this game isn't that hard and I may be able to score higher than this, I'm not a natural at these later vertical shooters, and expect some higher scorers coming in.

I'm using my main MAME/gaming rig. I actually had good fortune on this time around using the blue gun. I think I've gotten yellow before and it seemed just like blue. Green is different, straight green lasers.

I did beat the first boss on my first copter, though I did use most of my bombs. I did pretty well into the second stage, but bought it just before the second boss. Then it was all new so just went with what I could.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 10, 2009, 01:22:58 pm
Random comments:

- My killer 418k score wasn't on my first try.  At first, I played a few games of Twin Cobra (US) [Rom twincobu], thinking it was the same, except for some "Winners Don't Do Drugs" type message, but then I switched to the proper ROM.  My good score was maybe my 8th or so game.  Last night's attempts were mostly disappointing, all around 100k, and only 1-2 games >200k...I always do better playing on instinct vs. knowing patterns & getting lazy & making assumptions...Oh, and I never played TC more than a few times in the past...

- There are 1UPs in the game.  I found 1 in 1 of the 2 short horizontal (left-right) ships on the water level.  I think I saw a 2nd somewhere but I forget where.  The place where I saw my 1st 1UP doesn't always produce a 1UP there--might be random or a function of something else.

- You get only 100 points for picking up a P-Star, but you get 3000 for each P-Star you 've picked up on your current helicopter when you reach the landing platform after a boss.  Moral of the story: use your bombs to kill bosses--don't die!!!  You should have 6 bombs when you get to the 1st tank boss--no excuse for dying there!

- Game can't show >2 power-ups floating around simultaneously.  There's a point pretty early in the game where a power-up helicopter comes around & then a pair comes by not long after.  If your first power-up is still floating about while you shoot both copters in the pair, you'll get gypped out of one of them--it will disappear.  So, try to pick up the colored weapon power up even if you don't want it--pick it up when it's on your current color to be sure that future power-ups appear OK.

- When you shoot a vehicle holding a power-up, the power-up scoots to the center of the screen & follows a square pattern that gradually grows until it finally leaves the screen after a while.  This really baits you into trying to pick up stuff in the center of the screen while enemies are blitzing you.  That tactic plus the greedy pickup of P-Stars leads me to pronounce that this game is a master baiter.

- Picking up a colored weapon change power-up does not increment the weapon power, even if you pick up the same color you currently have.

- Order of colored weapon power-up color cycle: red, blue, green, yellow.

The non-red weapons are all pretty weak at low power-up levels.  I recommend sticking with red until your weapon's more powerful & then switching to the color of your choice.

  - Red: doesn't spread out enough for my taste for a game w/ enemies all over the place

  - Blue: my favorite--wide spread, but weak & sparse at low levels

  - Green: never liked skinny powerful beam weapons in games w/ enemies all about--makes short work of bosses, though, and beam doesn't stop when it hits an enemy--it always continues to the top of the screen

  - Yellow: tempting but weak--side shots are handy, but backwards shots are pretty much a waste--has to be at a very high power-up level to be effective



That's all for now.

-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Jack Burton on November 10, 2009, 04:41:05 pm
I was using the US version at first too.  My submitted score was on that version. 

I've started playing the World version, but I can't really tell if there's a difference.

Also, why does the helicopter sometimes not land at the end of the first level.  Several times now I've just flown over the ship  and started the second level.  The music doesn't even change.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 10, 2009, 05:54:38 pm
I didn't see any difference between the US & World versions, but there are often difficulty differences (sometimes subtle) between games released in different regions.

I too have flown over the landing pad many times after defeating the 1st boss.  I started trying to navigate my helicopter to try to land on it manually, but I don't think that does anything...

It seems to skip the landing when you die just before/with/just after the boss.  You've got no P-Stars anyway, so nothing lost.  It must have some trigger for the landing sequence that gets skipped if there's a death at a certain instant relative to the boss death...I don't think I've ever skipped the landing pad on a no-death effort...

-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Hewskie on November 10, 2009, 06:01:04 pm
I thought I had you jason, 377,000 something, sorry no screenie, I'll post one later. I agree with you about the landing thing, if you don't have any P stars to cash in I don't think you land. On my highest run, I made it to the 2nd boss without dying, probably would have caught you if I had beat it, also, did you complete the 3rd stage? I made it to the boss when I hit game over.

you REALLY have to survive the 1st boss without dying to stand a chance on the 2nd lvl. The powerups are a huge advantage.

Good luck everyone

Hewskie
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 10, 2009, 06:04:52 pm
I don't recall how far I got on my big run--you can look at the number under "AREA" on the high score table & compare mine to yours...

I started counting power-ups to see if they were random or had a pattern.  They seem to be the same each game.  You get only 4-5 or so weapon upgrades before the 1st boss--way too many of the darn colored weapon change power-ups...ripoff...

Oh, and I often *do* land with zero P-Stars after the 1st boss...I think the skipping is a function of *when* you die relative to the boss, not based simply on the quantity of P-Stars.

Yah, if I die before the 1st boss, I usually restart, as I don't really have a chance at a big score...

Thanks,
-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Jack Burton on November 10, 2009, 06:48:51 pm
Currently in second!

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5965/twin0010.png)

498,480

If I die before the first boss I'm just gonna restart from now on.  It's pointless to continue any further, and I know I can beat the first level without dying.

You're right about subtle difficulty differences between versions.  Often it seems like the US or World versions are harder than the Japanese original with shmups.  In this case it is reversed.  Kyukyoku Tiger is much harder than Twin Cobra.  

It feels like the world version is just a little bit slower to me, but maybe that is just my imagination.

The third level boss is the easiest so far.  I was able to beat them both with just a regular red gun.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 10, 2009, 11:54:10 pm
At the 1st landing spot, you should have 10 stars & a 30k bonus.

Bosses 3 & 4 have 2 parts.  Get rid of the closer part first.  Then the far part is pretty easy to pick off.

Boss 2 stays far away most of the time, but then he gets closer & you need some sort of side weapon, then the game will advance whether or not you've killed him.

-Jason

PS--566k!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: mrclean on November 11, 2009, 09:57:29 pm
Nice score! This happens to be a great Toaplan shooter...

*Most likely* i'll eventually end up building a Twin Cobra. In those above cabinet pictures..poor atari cabinet :( the taito conversion I like it in though. I think that this game was a kit-only just like many other romstar distributed games .

here is my NOS side art set tucked away for such an occasion:
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5111/dsc00079u.jpg)


I want to buy the sticker sheet for this game the yellow button stickers etc if you have a NOS sticker sheet PM me.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 11, 2009, 10:42:05 pm
Yeah, I found and collected a 1UP last night. I was all, what? I figured it was an extra chopper, but was too busy to take stock an all.

Bomb! Bomb Now!  Except, I do die when I bomb because I'm trying to land it as close as possible, and the range of bomb flight blows.

No two power-ups at the same time. Aha. I wondered last night what happened at one point, but figured it might've been that. ---daisies---!

"- Picking up a colored weapon change power-up does not increment the weapon power, even if you pick up the same color you currently have."

Not true. Blue does - but incrementally, and not necessarily every time, but after about five or six, it becomes five or six shot spread, followed by several shots in each line, and then at some point the middle line adds more. At this point, you're pretty rockin, and enemies are largely dust. Still difficult, though.

No landing after boss: yeah, I think it's if you die. Same thing happened to me just before the second or third one. I was so cleverly avoiding the shots by finding the pocket and moving within it, short little jumps when necessary, but staying put otherwise - and then AH! OF COURSE, when I came back, it only took a shot or two. Not even a bomb was needed!

So, on that note, here's my latest run from last night. Took me about eight tries. Sorry, Hewskie, i still have....erm, third. I got to the second boss on my first chopper, and like mentioned above, blundered. The first image is just after the second boss. Again, I just went as far as I could, cos I was back to regular fire. Damn, the thing don't just take one or two, it take 'em all!

Mmm. I've been playing the US version, too.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Jack Burton on November 12, 2009, 12:33:51 am
I switched my little PVM in for one of my 19" PC monitors.  The small screen just made bullets too hard to see.  

I turned my monitor on it's side and put my FS3 on the computer desk.  A pretty good ghetto candy! :lol

I've started playing on the second player side all the time.  I think most of the time things on the right hand side of the screen are easier, and respawning there is easier.  

Had some good runs in the 300,000's tonight, but I keep dying right before that essential 1up in level two.  Without it I can't quite make it far enough to get that extra extend that I need to reach up to 500,000.  

I can beat level one without dying nearly every time now, so now I need to focus on beating the level one boss without bombing and saving them for level two.  Should be pretty easy with yellow or blue gun.  

Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 12, 2009, 12:53:24 am
What a ---smurfing--- ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---. ---goshdarn--- collision detection on a double chopper just before the second boss. I played it through and still got about 350k, but ---fudgesicle--- almighty. (Yes, this is bitching.)


Yellow gun blows. I ain't usin it, but I forgot to mention last time, an Jack just reminded me. BAD yellow gun. BAD.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 12, 2009, 10:50:01 am
No score close to the top ones yet but I do have the startup tune stuck in my head when im trying to sleep at night  :dizzy:
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 12, 2009, 10:58:38 am
Wow Ummon, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel :laugh2: Also, toggling between censored and uncensored, the censoring on the last word of your first sentence is hilarious.

I played one game, but didn't get very far, but I was using a laptop keyboard. Not sure if I'll get a chance to try it on my MAME cab...going on vacation to Funspot :woot, although if they have one (don't remember if they do)...and I do decent, I'll take a pic of the screen.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 12, 2009, 03:32:50 pm
Quote
going on vacation to Funspot


:angry: You lucky bugger!

Seriously, though that is awesome...Please take lots of pics...and *if* they have a jamma Black Tiger conversion can you get a few pics of it? ;) If  not no worries!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 13, 2009, 08:34:58 am
They do have a Black Tiger, I played it last year when I was there. Now whether or not it's on the floor, I don't know. One area they use for games in the summer has golf simulators in starting in November, so a couple dozen games go in storage when they open up the golf simulators (the games are set up in front of them in the summer). Black Tiger was in that area last year.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 13, 2009, 11:11:05 am
Oh, BTW, the TG (and supposed default) settings are to get a free guy @ 100k, not 50k & then every 150k.  So we're on an easier settings, and high scores are still in the millions!  =O

http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=4660&vi=5009 (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=4660&vi=5009)

-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: dafelandry on November 13, 2009, 11:31:01 am
iv always wanted to hit up one of these comps so i will! This cab was @ the carwash by my house!!! first HS attempt around 450,000 .... i will definatly be trying again and posting a screenie!!  :laugh: Good stuff!!!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 13, 2009, 12:07:28 pm
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Oh, BTW, the TG (and supposed default) settings are to get a free guy @ 100k, not 50k & then every 150k.  So we're on an easier settings, and high scores are still in the millions!  =O

Hmm, I selected the settings from the TG website for the romset? Strange...

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They do have a Black Tiger, I played it last year when I was there. Now whether or not it's on the floor, I don't know. One area they use for games in the summer has golf simulators in starting in November, so a couple dozen games go in storage when they open up the golf simulators (the games are set up in front of them in the summer). Black Tiger was in that area last year.

Dang... sacrilege to box up a Black Tiger cabinet for golf simulators  :angry:

*If* its out I hope you play a loooong game on one token ;)
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 13, 2009, 08:33:38 pm
Wow Ummon, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel :laugh2: Also, toggling between censored and uncensored, the censoring on the last word of your first sentence is hilarious.

I dunno, I always 'free-ball' it. (Hahn.) Yeah, and girls like honesty, right? 'Least mai homies no tha deel.


Oh, BTW, the TG (and supposed default) settings are to get a free guy @ 100k, not 50k & then every 150k.  So we're on an easier settings, and high scores are still in the millions!  =O

http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=4660&vi=5009 (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=4660&vi=5009)

-Jason

It don't matter. It ends up being the same, cos if you can't beat the first boss on your first guy, let alone first three, you're a loser.

You know what? A really good idea would be an updated score table in the original post.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ryglore on November 13, 2009, 09:28:17 pm
ha, I'm out on this one... cant get over 125k to save my life... :dizzy:
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: ArcadeNerd on November 14, 2009, 05:44:31 pm
Wow, had to dust off the 'ol machine for this one.  This is my favorite game of all time and the first machine I ever purchased.  I was pretty rusty but it's just like falling off a bike.  Man this game can be aggrevating.  Never quite found the groove but pretty acceptable.  690960, 731470, and 732260.  I'll see if I can do any better after my arm stops spasming.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 15, 2009, 12:08:35 am
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Oh, BTW, the TG (and supposed default) settings are to get a free guy @ 100k, not 50k & then every 150k.  So we're on an easier settings, and high scores are still in the millions!  =O

Hmm, I selected the settings from the TG website for the romset? Strange...

The link jasonbar posted was for the arcade track. Apparently they don't have the arcade and MAME on the same settings.

Dang... sacrilege to box up a Black Tiger cabinet for golf simulators  :angry:

*If* its out I hope you play a loooong game on one token ;)

Yeah, if it's out, I'm definitely gonna try a game or two. I hope to be there sometime on Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: DrFrag on November 15, 2009, 02:39:00 am
320K on my first attempt.  I'll try again when my hands have recovered.  :dizzy:
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 15, 2009, 07:52:36 pm
I haven't had any hand issues. You have to be relaxed. I don't know as I'm game for any more on this, though. I'm getting a litte burned out on it, and lately am dying on the first boss. Blech.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 15, 2009, 10:05:01 pm
Yeah, I'm done on this game. You just can't die or you're ---smurfing--- hosed.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: ArcadeNerd on November 15, 2009, 10:44:24 pm
Yeah, I find it actually takes 2 crazy games to get a good score.  First you have to get as far as youo can on your first life.  Then.....you have to play like a maniac without being able to get much for firepower for the remainder.  That's why Twin Cobra is one of my favorite shmups, most others will let you get upgraded again fairly quickly in later levels and takes out that frantic attempt to stay alive on base shot.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Jack Burton on November 16, 2009, 12:19:37 am
So is the 1up in the second level random, or do you have to meet a requirement?
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 16, 2009, 02:50:57 am
I've been playing a bunch & have trouble getting through the 1st 2 bosses without dying.  The 3 darn medium-sized airplanes are what usually do me in--they're far too tough.

I've had only a few runs where I got through the 1st 2 bosses w/out dying--then I often choke & don't do too well after that...

I've found that the 1UP appears in the short sideways ship on my perfect runs but not on my imperfect runs, so there's some trigger in there somewhere that affects it...

Thanks,
-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 16, 2009, 09:40:33 am
Dang... sacrilege to box up a Black Tiger cabinet for golf simulators  :angry:

*If* its out I hope you play a loooong game on one token ;)

They Black Tiger is out with the regular games, but unfortunately the joystick was horrible (especially going up) so I didn't get very far. Gonna see if I can them to look at it. I did take a pic or two of the cab, but I'll probably have to wait until I get home to post a pic. I'm not sure what kind of cab its in though.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: ArcadeNerd on November 16, 2009, 10:47:24 am
I think the 1up is related to how many p's you collect since it is always at one of the p collecting spots.  I always find it in the same spot as jason.  There is also another one on one of the cranes in the 3rd level if you can last that long.  i alomost always die at 2 spots in level three.  One is where 2 small tanks come up from the bottom left and there is a heavy plane over there as well (tough to get to the tanks while getting shot at from behind).  And the second is where a slew of tanks come from both the left and right side of the screen toward the very end of the level at the last parked ship on the right.  Many colorful words said at those 2 wonderful spots.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 16, 2009, 01:47:57 pm
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They Black Tiger is out with the regular games, but unfortunately the joystick was horrible (especially going up) so I didn't get very far. Gonna see if I can them to look at it. I did take a pic or two of the cab, but I'll probably have to wait until I get home to post a pic. I'm not sure what kind of cab its in though.

Sucks about the joystick :(

Hopefully they fix that ASAP. As for the pics...can't wait.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: mrclean on November 16, 2009, 10:45:00 pm
Put that spinner top from GGG to use in the next contest.. it should be a spinner game! perhaps arkanoid / arkanoid tournament / gigas / free kick / goindol etc..
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 16, 2009, 11:30:06 pm
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The Black Tiger is out with the regular games, but unfortunately the joystick was horrible (especially going up) so I didn't get very far. Gonna see if I can them to look at it. I did take a pic or two of the cab, but I'll probably have to wait until I get home to post a pic. I'm not sure what kind of cab its in though.

Sucks about the joystick :(

Hopefully they fix that ASAP. As for the pics...can't wait.

Got them to look at it today, they replaced 2 of the microswitches. It's not perfect, but I was able to manage getting to level 7 with about 855K ;D I think it's set harder than default, as almost everything was in it that's in Black Dragon. I noticed a couple of the spinning discs were gone, and those guys that appear on level 4 that make the 4 fire columns come out if you don't shoot them only came out 1 at a time, and the prices were alot cheaper, but just about everything else was the same. I also figured out what cab it's in...a Paperboy!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 16, 2009, 11:39:47 pm
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Got them to look at it today, they replaced 2 of the microswitches. It's not perfect, but I was able to manage getting to level 7 with about 855K  I think it's set harder than default, as almost everything was in it that's in Black Dragon. I noticed a couple of the spinning discs were gone, and those guys that appear on level 4 that make the 4 fire columns come out if you don't shoot them only came out 1 at a time, and the prices were alot cheaper, but just about everything else was the same. I also figured out what cab it's in...a Paperboy!

Man, do you have any idea how envious I am of you right now?!  I haven't played an actual standalone BT since 1990 :(  and you rocked the lvl 7 nice!  :cheers:

Lol, i bet they mumbled under their breath when they were swapping the microswitches and set it to difficult hehe.





Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 18, 2009, 12:08:35 am
<blinks> Um, is this a Black Tiger thread?


Yeah, I find it actually takes 2 crazy games to get a good score.  First you have to get as far as youo can on your first life.  Then.....you have to play like a maniac without being able to get much for firepower for the remainder.  That's why Twin Cobra is one of my favorite shmups, most others will let you get upgraded again fairly quickly in later levels and takes out that frantic attempt to stay alive on base shot.

That's why it pisses me off. It becomes more work than play.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 18, 2009, 10:25:58 am
<blinks> Um, is this a Black Tiger thread?

Heh, no, but since he asked about it in this thread, I kept up the conversation here rather than having part of it here and part in the other thread (of course, if a mod wanted to move the Black Tiger stuff, that'd be ok too)
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 18, 2009, 10:47:37 am
Sorry about that guys...I got carried away with the Funspot getaway! ;)

Back to Twin Cobra...tough game if you die but I love the catchy opening tune.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: ArcadeNerd on November 19, 2009, 09:42:19 pm
Couple more grind sessions here.  These'll be my last before the end time due to stupid work.

893,904

and

909,250
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Ummon on November 20, 2009, 03:09:08 am
Well, I went for a run......was doing really good, till I got pinned down at the second boss. I tell ya, collision detection is weighted against the player. But they were a lot that way in the late 80s. Any decent golden age game, and I would've dodged the rounds. Didn't beat my high score, either, but got up there some.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: jasonbar on November 20, 2009, 11:16:08 am
I've had a few more decent runs, but I haven't been able to top my score.  I still maintain that I do better *without* knowing the patterns & what to expect... :dunno

I'm leaving town for the next couple of days.  Everybody make sure to not beat my 2nd place score in the meantime,  OK?   ;)  Thanks!

-Jason
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 22, 2009, 04:28:56 pm
Grats on 1st and the prize ArcadeNerd...I pm'd you for the shipping details, so let me know :)
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: opt2not on November 22, 2009, 07:55:26 pm
Crap! I'm stuck in DOS-setup-hell over here, didn't get a chance to have Twin Cobra running on my machine yet!  :angry:
Hoping to be in on the next one...

Congrats ArcadeNerd! Nice score!  :applaud:

Hopefully the next one will be another vertical game. I'm almost done!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: CrazyKongFan on November 22, 2009, 09:08:14 pm
One last Black Tiger post, since the rest of my Funspot trip/question about the Black Tiger cab they had was in this thread. Here's a pic of their Black Tiger cab, and the type of cab it was converted from, Paperboy (which they also have)
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: ArcadeNerd on November 22, 2009, 09:44:37 pm
Thanks for the congrats on the score.  I would have loved to pick another vertical shooter since they are my favorite but I thought 2 shmups in a row may be too many.  Tetris was always a favorite of mine so I picked that.  For some reason I had a hard time picking a game since Twin Cobra was my favorite and I usually just played beat 'em ups with my friends back in the day and I don't think they'd make for a good competition type game.
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: Epyx on November 22, 2009, 10:31:59 pm
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One last Black Tiger post, since the rest of my Funspot trip/question about the Black Tiger cab they had was in this thread. Here's a pic of their Black Tiger cab, and the type of cab it was converted from, Paperboy (which they also have)

Awesome CrazyKongFan, thanks much!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: opt2not on November 23, 2009, 12:58:04 am
Thanks for the congrats on the score.  I would have loved to pick another vertical shooter since they are my favorite but I thought 2 shmups in a row may be too many.  Tetris was always a favorite of mine so I picked that.  For some reason I had a hard time picking a game since Twin Cobra was my favorite and I usually just played beat 'em ups with my friends back in the day and I don't think they'd make for a good competition type game.

Yeah, good idea with mixing it up. We still want to keep people interested in participating, and variety is the spice of life!

Re: Tetris -- Funny coincidence, I've been having a hard time getting the cocktail version of tetris  (http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/)running my cabinet. Well, truthfully I can't seem to find the files in my romset. But man it would be pretty awesome to play against the wife, head-to-head on a tabletop, not to mention at parties tetris is very accessible to my drunkard friends. This might help push me to spend more time hunting it down!
Title: Re: Hi Score Comp #31: Twin Cobra *With GGG Premium Spinner Knob as prize*
Post by: mrclean on November 29, 2009, 07:07:52 pm
bumping this twin cobra thread incase any one was interested in owning the actual PCB along with NOS Side art set, marquee, bezel, I have decided to sell some Twin Cobra parts on eBay..

Item number: 290375141161