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Title: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on December 15, 2009, 08:42:30 am
Hi All,

well after my royal video conversion i was twisting to start on something i bought 2 real pinball and played them for a few month got bored and sold them i wanted more expensive ones but the prices where not normal around here so i decided to make a pinball cab:

Here is the work so far:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4179&d=1260221958)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4185&d=1260279820)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4189&d=1260279851)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4194&d=1260286672)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4256&d=1260544285)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4259&d=1260544315)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4270&d=1260660013)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4271&d=1260660028)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4273&d=1260660041)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4274&d=1260660052)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4276&d=1260660069)

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 15, 2009, 08:44:17 am
Some Info:

Info:

Base:

CPU: E7400 C2D
Mem: 2 GB DDR2 Geil 800
Vid: Nvidia 9800GTX
HD: 160GB Refurbished SATA
PSU: 430 W

Screens:

18,5 Inch LCD Philips
23,5 Inch LCD Philips

Software:

Windows XP SP3 NL
Visual Pinball 9.03
Pinmame 2.01
HyperPIN FE frontend

Cabinet Construction:

18mm MDF
Pushbuttons HAPP
Custom made lockdown bar
Custom side art need to contact mamemarquees.com
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 15, 2009, 08:46:02 am
More Pics:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4278&d=1260722666)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4279&d=1260722673)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4280&d=1260722680)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4281&d=1260722688)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4282&d=1260722695)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4283&d=1260722705)

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: HaRuMaN on December 15, 2009, 08:52:30 am
Wow, very nice.  I'm liking these pin builds...   :cheers:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 15, 2009, 08:55:43 am
Thanks, im realling digging the mini cabinet also i have no money for a bigger one and after the ipac and sideart have been done i have kept this around 750 euros so really cheap :)

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: mwong168 on December 15, 2009, 11:17:45 am
Very nice work!  GTX a bit overkill or required for pinball emulators?  What are you running, VP or Future Pinball?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 16, 2009, 02:56:18 am
Hi,

well i got the card really cheap from a friend so yes its overkill but i dont want to take any chancen
i am only running visual pinball but dont forget the playfield is in full hd resolution

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 17, 2009, 02:52:55 pm
the cabinet in a movie :) new uvp backglass software installed 

Mini Pin X Cabinet Done ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfcNnSJec-A#)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: TEKNYNE on December 19, 2009, 01:04:26 am
I have never really been a fan of pinball but this is cool. :applaud:   But I might just have to build something like this (the wife loves pinball) one day.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 19, 2009, 03:10:07 am
I have never really been a fan of pinball but this is cool. :applaud:   But I might just have to build something like this (the wife loves pinball) one day.

shout if you need any help then !
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 21, 2009, 04:38:45 pm
ok i added the ipac2 and configured it now all buttons work so i dont need my keyboard anymore

im still bondering about what to use as a backbox bezel and also how to cover up my playfield monitor bezel i was thinking some foam strips black or grey any ideas anyone on this?

thanks for the help will post pics and vids tommorow
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 29, 2009, 05:10:44 pm
I did some painting :) first primer then black paint

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4421&d=1262015491)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4423&d=1262015509)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4424&d=1262015517)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4425&d=1262015524)

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: Yvan256 on December 30, 2009, 10:57:59 am
Isn't there any options in those virtual pinball programs so that you could pre-render a lot of stuff? What are the absolute minimum requirements if you turn everything down/off and with a table resolution of 800x480? Any chance of running that on a dual-core Atom with GMA950, or at the most, 9400M?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on December 31, 2009, 05:26:35 am
Hi Yvan,

well the first problem i see already is the resolution the newer tables wont look as good with that low resolution i already tryed on my mame cab before building the mini pin cab
i dont recomend internal vga cards like the ones you described minimum for running every will ly in the 7600 geforce range better the 9800 even
visual pinball does not run well with ati cards

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: Yvan256 on December 31, 2009, 09:06:57 am
Hi Yvan,

well the first problem i see already is the resolution the newer tables wont look as good with that low resolution i already tryed on my mame cab before building the mini pin cab
i dont recomend internal vga cards like the ones you described minimum for running every will ly in the 7600 geforce range better the 9800 even
visual pinball does not run well with ati cards

The thing is, I'm planning on doing a micro pinball table, with the playing field at around 7-8" widescreen, probably 800x480. At that size, I can only use a mini-ITX motherboard and can't use any external graphic card. The best video option available AFAIK in integrated graphics is the nVidia 9400M.

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: drventure on December 31, 2009, 09:24:44 am
Ivan, I'd be curious to see what kind of performance you get out of that integrated graphics chipset.

I have an Asus m3n78-vm mobo running a phenom x2 black and it just flat won't run Future pinball worth a damn.

Mame works just fine, but I know FP relies on the 3d functions of the graphics card. I was QUITE upset by that. Fortunately, I can always stick a card with more horsepower in, but I thought surely that'd be enough to handle FP, but not so, at least as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: Yvan256 on December 31, 2009, 09:46:14 am
Yvan, I'd be curious to see what kind of performance you get out of that integrated graphics chipset.

I have an Asus m3n78-vm mobo running a phenom x2 black and it just flat won't run Future pinball worth a damn.

Mame works just fine, but I know FP relies on the 3d functions of the graphics card. I was QUITE upset by that. Fortunately, I can always stick a card with more horsepower in, but I thought surely that'd be enough to handle FP, but not so, at least as far as I can tell.

I'm guessing/hoping that it depends a lot on the resolution of your play field. If you're trying to run FP at 1920x1080, it probably requires 5.4 times as much GPU power as 800x480. The 9400M could probably be more than enough with all settings and options turned either way down or completely off.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: drventure on December 31, 2009, 09:50:22 am
Yeah, good point. I was wanting to run it with full effects at 1920x1200 24"dell.

But I'll complain anyway  ;)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: GeeF on January 01, 2010, 06:49:10 am
Isn't there any options in those virtual pinball programs so that you could pre-render a lot of stuff? What are the absolute minimum requirements if you turn everything down/off and with a table resolution of 800x480? Any chance of running that on a dual-core Atom with GMA950, or at the most, 9400M?

Hi,
I have a dual core Atom mobo with GMA950(d45gclf2).Visual pinball 8.1 works fairly well with it.Older tables runs flawlessly, but new tables can be a problem.When there is only one ball on the playfield, there is no problem, but at multiball it starts to lag. Visual pinball 9.04 will NOT run on this board only in sw mode (no hw rendering).
I suggest you to get one of those ion boards (with integrated 9400M).I'm not sure how it will handle hw rendering tough.Only VP9 uses hw rendering, the older VP8 uses sw rendering, so cpu power is a must to run every table.
I now have a geforce 9500 card with intel 6300 Dualcore on Asus P5QPL-AM(micro atx mobo) in my cab, and VP9 works perfectly with all tables, it can be a 4 ball multiball - no problem.
Future pinball didn't run on the d45gclf2 at all - needs hw rendering.With my new config FP runs perfectly.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: Yvan256 on January 01, 2010, 10:36:36 am
Isn't there any options in those virtual pinball programs so that you could pre-render a lot of stuff? What are the absolute minimum requirements if you turn everything down/off and with a table resolution of 800x480? Any chance of running that on a dual-core Atom with GMA950, or at the most, 9400M?

Hi,
I have a dual core Atom mobo with GMA950(d45gclf2).Visual pinball 8.1 works fairly well with it.Older tables runs flawlessly, but new tables can be a problem.When there is only one ball on the playfield, there is no problem, but at multiball it starts to lag. Visual pinball 9.04 will NOT run on this board only in sw mode (no hw rendering).
I suggest you to get one of those ion boards (with integrated 9400M).I'm not sure how it will handle hw rendering tough.Only VP9 uses hw rendering, the older VP8 uses sw rendering, so cpu power is a must to run every table.
I now have a geforce 9500 card with intel 6300 Dualcore on Asus P5QPL-AM(micro atx mobo) in my cab, and VP9 works perfectly with all tables, it can be a 4 ball multiball - no problem.
Future pinball didn't run on the d45gclf2 at all - needs hw rendering.With my new config FP runs perfectly.

If it's not any trouble, would it be possible to test your D45GCLF2 again with a resolution of 800x480, with VP8?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: GeeF on January 01, 2010, 11:47:48 am
Sure, just tell me which tables. I have a small 7" wide tft to test the setup.I can test it at 800x600...maybe smaller res is also possible with custom res settings.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: Yvan256 on January 01, 2010, 11:56:24 am
Sure, just tell me which tables. I have a small 7" wide tft to test the setup.I can test it at 800x600...maybe smaller res is also possible with custom res settings.

Reply sent via private message to stop further hijacking of the thread.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: spystyle on January 01, 2010, 08:26:03 pm
This is so awesome :)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 02, 2010, 04:31:04 am
Nice i like the help people are giving :)

ow yeah if anyone nows a graphic artist that needs some work?
i need the medieval madness pinball sideart en bacbox sideart custome made
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 02, 2010, 08:42:51 am
some more progress pics



(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4437&d=1262439536)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4438&d=1262439545)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4439&d=1262439552)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4440&d=1262439559)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: danny_galaga on January 03, 2010, 03:43:22 am

Cute  :)

Two things. I don't know much about pinball emulators. Do they have a 'tilt' function? And if so, have you incorporated that? Also, how are you going to finish off that gap at the front?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 03, 2010, 03:52:21 am
yes you can add a nudge function to some buttons but with the uhid-g from ultimarc you can slam the cabinet and the chip will respond as a nudge in the software very cool

also the gap in the front is being worked on by a friend it will house in the near future a custom made lockdown bar :)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 07, 2010, 03:14:51 am
Update:

Lord Hiryu is finishing up my artwork and i got a good price from mamemarquees.com for the printing !  :cheers:

(http://www.fluxgames.com/arcade/ArtPreview.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 28, 2010, 03:12:55 am
the sideart is almost applied, sorry for the crappy pictures will send beter ones today :)



(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4568&d=1264627511)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4569&d=1264627526)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4570&d=1264627537)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4571&d=1264627545)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4573&d=1264627562)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 28, 2010, 06:25:33 am
Like said more and better pictures:


(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4586&d=1264677474)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4587&d=1264677488)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4588&d=1264677501)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4589&d=1264677514)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4590&d=1264677527)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4591&d=1264677541)



Mini Visual Pinball Cab ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=761u5wXEvRk#ws)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: HaRuMaN on January 28, 2010, 08:11:49 am
Mo' betta!  Mo betta!  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 28, 2010, 09:23:03 am
LOL i don't know what i means but thanks :)  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: HaRuMaN on January 28, 2010, 09:32:28 am
You said More and Better pics....  so I shortened it to Mo' Betta...  lol

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on January 28, 2010, 04:54:37 pm
the pics are there lol :P above you
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: HaRuMaN on January 29, 2010, 06:43:20 am
the pics are there lol :P above you

I know... I saw them, hence the  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on March 10, 2010, 10:55:02 am
It's Finished :)

the latest addition was a Sharkoon Spin USB hub that i screwed to the underside of the cabinet for easy usb access for my sticks or mouse/keyboard.

Vid:

Hyperpin Cabinet Completed 2010 ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_feIY65y8#)


(the vid is still being processed by youtube so sorry for the grainy picture please wait until youtube finishes converting it)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: patrickl on March 11, 2010, 07:53:10 am
These VP cabs just look too cool.

ps also good to see another dutchie her on the forum :)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on March 11, 2010, 10:14:27 am
Thanks,

more dutchies indeed
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: JZSlenker on March 12, 2010, 10:09:42 am
AWESOME  I like the idea of this Mini Pin!  Very nice work.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: phines on March 12, 2010, 05:36:10 pm
This is an impressive build.  It inspires me to build one and gives me pictures for my powerpoint presentation I'll need to sell it to my wife!

Question though, what took longer, the build or the software setup?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on March 13, 2010, 03:47:21 am
Well if you not count waiting on art and waiting on th custom lockdown bar i say software is more work , but you can sit down and have some coffee at the same time :P
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on May 12, 2010, 08:23:22 am
really small update:

gonna add mercury switches for left and right nudge thanks to chris for the tip in his topic  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on May 22, 2010, 07:45:54 am
Ok so i got the nudging to work with the mercury switches.
it's really hard to get it going , adjusting is not easy with those things

i now have them mounted the same way facing but one higher adjusted
it works but if anyone has more tips for me please go ahead.

also some vp tables seem to react faster and tilt out fast any way to adjust or where to look into the script?

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5530&d=1274528654)

Nudging with Mercury Switches on my Pincab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMtfn_CaM4g#)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: MazzMn on May 22, 2010, 11:01:45 am
Great work, thanks for sharing the images and vid!
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on May 24, 2010, 02:52:04 am
no problem , i am still working on getting the tilting working like i want it works but i give me a double nudge sometimes
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on November 02, 2010, 09:32:11 am
Well more cute things will be added:

I got my Led-Wiz and two clear topper lights for the cabinet in the house. !

Thanks to chrizz99 and manowar we are soon getting kick ass light control software to use with our pin-cabs.

Kudos to them , but i wanted to update my own build thread here this week with installation pictures etc.

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X
Post by: njay on November 02, 2010, 01:10:28 pm
Here are some pics :

You see the place the top flashers will be installed, also the leds are working and the sttng table by jpsalas

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6867&d=1288717636)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6868&d=1288717644)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6869&d=1288717652)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: notroubleclubber on November 02, 2010, 06:40:39 pm
Hi. Im thinking of building one of these and hope to make as "life like" as possible. With real pinball machines there is a sort of proper resistance (a heaviness if you will) when you press the flipper buttons. Is this something that can be replicated as im guessing on most builds just standard "arcade" happ buttons are used which in my opinion wouldnt feel right?

I love the look and really contemplating making one of these if i can make it as "real life" as possible!
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 03, 2010, 03:47:15 am
Well if you look into chrizz99's topic of his pinball , he installed siemens relais which simulate flipper force feedback.
He also has a youtube video up.

Check it out ! you will be building one very soon
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: RonnieC312 on November 04, 2010, 02:25:02 pm
this is sooooooooooooo cool... i want to build one.

How much is the VP cost?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: shilmover on November 04, 2010, 04:00:27 pm
this is sooooooooooooo cool... i want to build one.

How much is the VP cost?

The entire pin or the VP software?  VP Software is free.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: RonnieC312 on November 04, 2010, 04:35:02 pm
this is sooooooooooooo cool... i want to build one.

How much is the VP cost?

The entire pin or the VP software?  VP Software is free.

Both...


I have build 2 MAME machines and i TOTALY want to build a pin machine.

thanks for the help
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: shilmover on November 04, 2010, 04:59:44 pm
this is sooooooooooooo cool... i want to build one.

How much is the VP cost?

The entire pin or the VP software?  VP Software is free.

Both...


I have build 2 MAME machines and i TOTALY want to build a pin machine.

thanks for the help

Mine cost me about $1400 (3 screens), but i got the 45" playfied for $30, so mine does not count.

i would say it would be in the $2500-3500 range depending on what you do.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 04, 2010, 06:06:02 pm
My costs including the led-wiz and upcoming led's is around 900 euros...
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 05, 2010, 06:22:28 am
Little update:
I ordered 2x rgb led drives for the top flashers, they will not be as bright as the cree lights because they where designed for push button illum. but they will do because i am really close up them.

Also ordered 2x electric ice buttons with rgb drives and leaf switches for my cabinet.

thanks to chris77 for all his patience with my 100 questions
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: RonnieC312 on November 05, 2010, 05:19:19 pm
where do I get the VP program?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: jly on November 05, 2010, 05:59:48 pm
 its here http://pinmame.retrogames.com/ (http://pinmame.retrogames.com/)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 06, 2010, 04:04:07 am
Go to the vpforums.org, register there.
Read all you can...

 :applaud:

if you have any offtopic questions pm me
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 18, 2010, 02:57:12 am
Hi,

So i installed one top flasher with an RGB drive from GGG.
It's not as bright as those high power leds that chris77 uses, but for my mini pin they will do.

RGB Top Flasher for my Visual Pincab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flLaybmnjnE#ws)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: jipp on November 18, 2010, 02:31:15 pm
fantastic.  im getting closer to finishing my first mame cabinet from the ground up.  def have a pin machine on my list of things to try to build. thanks for the detail photos/info as I do not have room for a full size pinball machine and a full size cab.. so full size cab and a smaller pin will do  >:D  so much to learn.  wish i would of found this forum sooner, like before is started my cab..   o well. better late than never. heh.

chris.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 18, 2010, 04:19:34 pm
fantastic.  im getting closer to finishing my first mame cabinet from the ground up.  def have a pin machine on my list of things to try to build. thanks for the detail photos/info as I do not have room for a full size pinball machine and a full size cab.. so full size cab and a smaller pin will do  >:D  so much to learn.  wish i would of found this forum sooner, like before is started my cab..   o well. better late than never. heh.

chris.

I got plans if you need them...

Finished with the leds:

RGB Flashers for my Virtual Pincab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxau-yWuuzM#ws)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 18, 2010, 04:49:06 pm
Here is a simple reaaaly simple wiring diag for one rgb led and the ledwiz:

the rbg drive from ggg comes equiped with a 4wire cable attached to the driver itself:

split the wires carefully

run the 3 grey wires to 3 different ports on the wiz
run the grey/red wire to the 5v output

for more led 5v power use a terminal strip and piggy bank the connections

(http://www.fluxgames.com/flipper/wiring.jpg)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: jipp on November 18, 2010, 08:51:07 pm
hey thanks for the offer. ill take you up on the offer for the plans when i get ready ( Im a year away from a pin project..  once i finish my cab, i have to build my sister a cab.. i also want a bar top for taking to my parents for holidays etc so many projects.  also hate to say it im already considering a different cab for my own place and giving this box away. laughs not even done and i have just added lots of irons in the fire.  all i have left to do with my current project is monitor/control panel and configure software and i can start a new project..  i started 3 and half months ago.. thank goodness the mamerooms plans are good or i would of been lost with out any help on building a cab. ).  thanks again man. rock on.
chris.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 19, 2010, 02:58:03 am
No problem,

Good luck with all your projects and maybe in the future we can help each other out.

Give me a msg when you need them !

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: Rick on November 19, 2010, 10:18:26 am
I love the mini-pin idea, especially since my Wife has a 19" 4:3 LCD monitor that's gathering dust, and I can pick up a nice 24" LCD for under $200.  I think my skills with MDF should be adequate to build a couple of boxes (hopefully) and I'll definitely be referencing your build when I do mine!

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: skinz on November 19, 2010, 10:43:47 am
rediculously awesome - Very jealous!!!   :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 20, 2010, 02:56:47 am
I love the mini-pin idea, especially since my Wife has a 19" 4:3 LCD monitor that's gathering dust, and I can pick up a nice 24" LCD for under $200.  I think my skills with MDF should be adequate to build a couple of boxes (hopefully) and I'll definitely be referencing your build when I do mine!

 :cheers:

wow thanks rick.. i am following your build with every step your cab is going to kick ass !
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 21, 2010, 02:42:35 pm
Installed Leaf switches for the flipper button left one works perfect , the right one sometime fails to respond.

How can i adjust these easily?

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7010&d=1290368427)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: jukingeo on November 26, 2010, 05:56:02 pm
Being a big fan of VP and Pinmame I have a couple questions for you:

1) How did you get the split screens to work
2) What are you using to get the menu to select the tables you want to play?

Thanx,
Geo
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: AlienInferno on November 26, 2010, 10:49:03 pm
OK.  So after several edits I think I understand that last question.   :-[  (It's just been one of those days).  When I was playing with hyperpin the left and right flippers scrolled through the tables and the plunger selected them.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: LeedsFan on November 27, 2010, 04:06:43 am
I love these mini pin builds!  Gratz man.... that looks great!   :cheers:

I didn't even know you could get anything like mercury switches. So does the nudge feature work OK now? I would think that maybe when you nudge left or right won't both of the mercury switches activate? Are they just wired into standard button positions on the Ipac? I think you can have a nudge front/up button too yes?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 27, 2010, 04:08:03 am
Being a big fan of VP and Pinmame I have a couple questions for you:

1) How did you get the split screens to work
2) What are you using to get the menu to select the tables you want to play?

Thanx,
Geo

Read this build thread from mwong, it explains the setup of FS tables.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102628.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102628.0)

Yes the menu switching works with the flipper buttons you can configure it through the settings file

For the split screen: those are FS tables meaning the table will be on your main monitor and the backbox wil be loaded with UVP if you choose it,  on the second screen.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 27, 2010, 04:09:43 am
The mercury switches are wired to the IPAC so it's just a button press.
But to be honest it's really hard to get them to work right... you get double nudges all the time.

So when i finish the led project i am going to look into the UHID-G from ultimarc should be better i hope.

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: drventure on November 27, 2010, 10:38:33 am
That's what I'm seeing from using the mercury switches, too.

With a minipin, I'd imagine it being even worse because of the pin's smaller size...

I'm kinda wishing I just gone with the UHID-G in the first place<sigh>
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 27, 2010, 05:55:11 pm
Yeah i will probably remove them and order the UHID  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: jukingeo on November 27, 2010, 07:58:39 pm

Read this build thread from mwong, it explains the setup of FS tables.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102628.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102628.0)

Yes the menu switching works with the flipper buttons you can configure it through the settings file

For the split screen: those are FS tables meaning the table will be on your main monitor and the backbox wil be loaded with UVP if you choose it,  on the second screen.

Wow!  Thanx for the info.  This is really cool!  I never knew you could split Visual Pinball across several monitors like that.

So the big question I have for you now is this:

How does it compare to playing a real pinball machine?

Nevertheless, the concept is great especially for those short on space...here you can play several machines in one cabinet much like with Mame and video games.

Thanx,

Geo
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: shilmover on November 27, 2010, 09:37:56 pm
The mercury switches are wired to the IPAC so it's just a button press.
But to be honest it's really hard to get them to work right... you get double nudges all the time.

So when i finish the led project i am going to look into the UHID-G from ultimarc should be better i hope.



When you do, let me know as I have a couple of extra ones I need to sell.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 28, 2010, 03:25:41 am

Read this build thread from mwong, it explains the setup of FS tables.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102628.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102628.0)

Yes the menu switching works with the flipper buttons you can configure it through the settings file

For the split screen: those are FS tables meaning the table will be on your main monitor and the backbox wil be loaded with UVP if you choose it,  on the second screen.




Wow!  Thanx for the info.  This is really cool!  I never knew you could split Visual Pinball across several monitors like that.

So the big question I have for you now is this:

How does it compare to playing a real pinball machine?

Nevertheless, the concept is great especially for those short on space...here you can play several machines in one cabinet much like with Mame and video games.

Thanx,

Geo

It's not the same as a real machine, but with the upcoming led-wiz project we are one step closer. but i play it everyday, and it's a lot cheaper then buying a real machine if you are into mame you will like this also :)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 28, 2010, 03:27:20 am
The mercury switches are wired to the IPAC so it's just a button press.
But to be honest it's really hard to get them to work right... you get double nudges all the time.

So when i finish the led project i am going to look into the UHID-G from ultimarc should be better i hope.



When you do, let me know as I have a couple of extra ones I need to sell.

So you need the two i am pulling out of my cab? sure thing man it's free if you only pay shipping i am cool with it ! PM me
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: shilmover on November 29, 2010, 06:42:53 pm
The mercury switches are wired to the IPAC so it's just a button press.
But to be honest it's really hard to get them to work right... you get double nudges all the time.

So when i finish the led project i am going to look into the UHID-G from ultimarc should be better i hope.



When you do, let me know as I have a couple of extra ones I need to sell.

So you need the two i am pulling out of my cab? sure thing man it's free if you only pay shipping i am cool with it ! PM me


which?  the mercury switches?  Nah, I got some.

LMK when you want to pick up a UHID-G.  I have 2 I need to sell.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on November 30, 2010, 03:55:54 am
Give me a price with shipping to the netherlands  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: shilmover on November 30, 2010, 10:29:04 am
Give me a price with shipping to the netherlands  :applaud:

Will do...
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: Malenko on December 01, 2010, 03:04:28 pm
and me a price shipped to 19713 (delaware USA)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: FritoFredrik on December 04, 2010, 06:47:05 am
One thing that would make a pinball emulator machine like this more fun is to have a way to use 3D glasses of som kind :D

Also a really nice build keep it up.  ;D
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on December 05, 2010, 04:30:02 am
Thanks, but i don't think 3d will work that well at all.

Your are looking on the screen from the top... if you wear 3d glasses you must wear them straight before your eyes... no room left..
Otherwise the 3d effect would be gone and you could not see the ball anymore.. garbled screen.

If you wear sunglasses you always have some space between the glass and your eyes.. and since your not looking straight forward it will cause issues
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: FritoFredrik on December 05, 2010, 07:48:56 pm
head tracking then like with IR sensors using a wii remote, its just an idea in my head ;D

like this : Head Tracking for Desktop VR Displays using the WiiRemote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw#)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on December 06, 2010, 03:50:27 am
Yeah it would be really cool , but still pinball viewing angle is complety different  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on December 27, 2010, 11:16:31 am
Software is out !!!

Thanks to all involved in making and testing the software

here is vid:

Rom controlled LEDS in my Visual Pinball Cabinet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx6mRb9s_ME#ws)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: Alpha-tron on March 19, 2011, 04:35:41 pm
Amazing project,  Thank you very much for sharing it.  I am talking to friends about this and it looks we are looking to build a few for ourselves. I am building one for myself why not build 4 at the same time.

 
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on March 21, 2011, 05:57:43 am
Sorry for the late reaction.

Cool idea... please make a topic here when you do so for support and help :)

Also i added a led stroboscoop will add a video soon
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on May 25, 2011, 11:43:10 am
Got around installing the replay knocker finally:

Replay knocker test for my Hyperpin Cabinet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3baYtOi_k#ws)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: elkameleon on May 25, 2011, 12:18:14 pm
This may be a bit off topic, but I need to know, where did you pick up that motherboard tray?! I need one like that for my project, but I just can't find anything.
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on May 25, 2011, 01:01:07 pm
got it from a friend...

maybe you can use this?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3387 (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3387)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: elkameleon on May 25, 2011, 02:51:28 pm
Quote
got it from a friend...

Dang, it'd be nice to know where he got it... but it looks like your video card doesn't quite screw down properly, maybe i'm wrong? The one you linked could possibly work. I actually drilled holes for an atx layout into the side of my cab and screwed motherboard standoffs into the holes, but it was regrettably unforgiving... and I have no place to secure my video card, so it just hangs out there (hope it doesn't fall out!).
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: BobA on May 25, 2011, 03:40:20 pm
Nice knockers  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on May 25, 2011, 04:53:47 pm
Quote
got it from a friend...

Dang, it'd be nice to know where he got it... but it looks like your video card doesn't quite screw down properly, maybe i'm wrong? The one you linked could possibly work. I actually drilled holes for an atx layout into the side of my cab and screwed motherboard standoffs into the holes, but it was regrettably unforgiving... and I have no place to secure my video card, so it just hangs out there (hope it doesn't fall out!).

A video card just won't fall out suddenly the slot grabs it nicely and you are not hanging any weight on it
But as they say you can never be to sure about mounting things vertical :)

And yes my video card is not screwed down and i have no issues with being the otherside my motherboard is mounted horizontly
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 08, 2011, 02:13:04 am
So i finally have some upcoming vacation and it's time to finish here :)

Ordered:

2x Clear flasher dome
4x RGB Leds

Project:
Re-Wire complete cabinet --> I will use UTP Network cable to cable all the flashers etc to have one wire per two flashers going to the ledwiz

Add 2 more flashers on top of the cabinet backbox to complete a 5 flasher setup

Add 2 RGB Flipper buttons :)

This should keep me going for a while , will post pics when i get all the stuff inhouse
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 08, 2011, 08:09:33 am
Alright here a few pics showing the mess i made of the inside :

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8752&d=1312804745)


I removed the LCD from the backbox because at first i did not attach the speakers to anything so when moving the cabinet one speaker fell down early when i first build it.

So this time i had some sticky foam i used to secure the speakers to the sides:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8753&d=1312804777)

Et viola:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8754&d=1312804822)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 10, 2011, 09:24:34 am
What do you guys think about the new strobo placement?

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8776&d=1312982484)

Ah Yes a lot neater:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8778&d=1312982521)

New strobo controller placement:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8775&d=1312982462)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 10, 2011, 12:47:22 pm
Here are some shots of the backbox and cable ties !

My Goal is to have an easier to deteach backbox:
I now only have to screw lose the cables that run trought the terminal strip to the flashers and strobes, before i had the wires run all the way inside the cabinet.

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8780&d=1312994691)

Cable ties:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8779&d=1312994677)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 11, 2011, 08:27:48 am
More Wiring today :

It may not look pretty but you will never see the backside of it and the functionality is good, i can now easely disconnect the backbox from the main cabinet and the inerts of the cabinet is cleaner.

PS. the black wires for the speakers and monitor are normally inside the cabinet !

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8784&d=1313065389)

Terminal strip with piggy banking:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8785&d=1313065404)

And more:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8786&d=1313065418)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8787&d=1313065431)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8788&d=1313065443)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 11, 2011, 10:39:03 am
New Blue LED Fans:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8790&d=1313073458)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8791&d=1313073478)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 11, 2011, 05:04:17 pm
I think it's still a lot cleaner then before but damn i have so little space :)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8792&d=1313096550)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: ark_ader on August 14, 2011, 06:29:03 am
Great looking project!  :applaud:

I want one!
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 14, 2011, 07:48:39 am
Added some metal strapping to secure the HD to the cabinet:

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8813&d=1313322165)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: Martijn on August 14, 2011, 02:59:34 pm
Looking good, but i would still encourage you to make the back cleaner with all those wires, its such a sweet little project to rush finish it.

Like we say.

Een goed begin is het halve werk
of
De kroon op het werk zetten

 :angel:





Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 15, 2011, 02:30:28 am
Thanks for your kind words martijn , since your kinda of a legend here lol   :applaud:

Yes but i know the wires are ugly to see but then again the unit stand against the wall and i decided that for this mini pin moveablity would be the main reason to run the wires on the back like that.

It was also a design mistake from the beginning of the project to desing the backbox like that.

But you are right for the future when i start buillding a bigger one no more wires on the back !
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: Martijn on August 15, 2011, 03:24:51 am
Lol thanks , your pin rocks anyway  :)

And we share 1 thing.. space  ;D

I went ultra slim to be able to have a cab and not giving up so much space.

p.s. consider a 2.1 setup, it will be worth it if you can afford and have the space in it  :cheers:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 15, 2011, 09:17:28 am
Yeah a 2.1 setup would be awesome but i don't now where to mount the sub woofer.
I can screw it on the underside but that would make the cabinet look like something with a lumb :)

Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: Malenko on August 15, 2011, 12:35:23 pm
might be a pain, but could you rewire those into ethernet ports on the back? then connect with a cat5 wire? Its still a mega awesome machine, Im uber jealous  :afro:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on August 16, 2011, 02:39:32 am
Might be a good idea :)

but as explained it's a mega design flaw of the backbox that the cables must be run over the back

at this point moveabilty is more important for me then neatness, the backbox will be against a wall so you will never see the cable mess

for my next project i will do it a lot more clearer

but thanks for your tip
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Project LED 2-11-2010
Post by: njay on September 01, 2011, 10:00:07 am
Ok i added 2 more clear domes on top of the cabinet and she is finally done !

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8950&d=1314885523)

(http://www.hyperspin-fe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8951&d=1314885530)

I also made a cool movie with after effects and movie maker combined:

HyperPin Project X 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoJ-OezaGpU#)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Finished
Post by: njay on August 21, 2012, 03:20:21 am
So to continue this story i have ordered the pindmd board to run a real dmd display
and someone is making me a custom underbox to fit under the backbox to house the new 12v vishay dmd display i am getting

Also my cab is soon to be showed on web tv :)  :applaud:
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Finished
Post by: njay on August 16, 2014, 04:11:55 am
Upgrade in process:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DGCK0Z5Jyb4/U-8Nl-Ect_I/AAAAAAAAAF8/iaigsQQMNIE/w1143-h857-no/cab.JPG)

New pinmame also runs newer sterns:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2KS9GNk1m0/U-82XegmEDI/AAAAAAAAAIg/pP90HuTmlmc/w643-h857-no/cab3.JPG)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on August 17, 2014, 08:31:59 am
Upgraded to pinball X and new sam version of vpinmame


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SaZ_RGynZ0Q/U_CgLYv2CgI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/Bw0PDCWPf2k/w643-h857-no/cab4.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/ipA8YRXv8ueKB1yjr5ZrqVtOfT04X0CPTwCdg5l8XZw=w643-h857-no)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: Martijn on August 17, 2014, 09:20:16 am
Can you link me to where those are? pinmame and avengers doenst come up with anything?

Also, did you change the sideart backbox yet I made?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on August 17, 2014, 09:25:09 am
hey,

you can download a custom vpinmame version @ vpuniverse.com
there are also instructions there

the backbox side art is on my list will do that
after my vacation

hows your pin doing ?
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on August 18, 2014, 02:49:01 pm
Added a video on youtube :)

next up a nice gopro movie of the whole machine plus some gameplay

http://youtu.be/GzjGDj-hSnw (http://youtu.be/GzjGDj-hSnw)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on August 23, 2014, 07:14:09 am
Testing my gopro angle before going scuba diving

http://youtu.be/_u4GpAFztVQ (http://youtu.be/_u4GpAFztVQ)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on April 10, 2015, 02:05:40 am
So let's continue ...

i started the cab late 2009 when there was no ledwiz software there.
Afterwards when all software was released i started building all my toys.

this concluded in running lots of wires on the backside of the cab to the top... now it's time for a change

behold:  zeb's lightbar and resistor card.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MuHBhvpng6Y/VSYikDulelI/AAAAAAAAAKY/E6tsfKP0Uio/w769-h577-no/image004.jpg)

zeb is a cool guy to work with , answered lot's of my questions and even refunded money when the shipping was cheaper then he expected cool guy , you don't see this very often anymore.

you can view his products here: http://www.zebsboards.com/ (http://www.zebsboards.com/)

When all has arrived i will update with more pics
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on April 25, 2015, 12:42:09 pm
teaser video:

zebs lightbar rocks !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjf2w55FscY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjf2w55FscY)
Title: Re: Project Mini Pin - X - Upgrade started
Post by: njay on April 28, 2015, 03:02:49 pm
New movie uploaded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJvq4z-hYOo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJvq4z-hYOo#ws)