Post by: jennifer on October 31, 2020, 10:01:05 pm
[I removed the other 394 posts in this thread that Jennifer "smileyed out". It's a bit easier to scroll through without them. -- Scott]
Post by: lilshawn on November 02, 2020, 01:09:13 pm
;D
Post by: Vocalitus on November 03, 2020, 10:55:11 am
Post by: Vocalitus on November 03, 2020, 04:20:45 pm
Maybe the games would work better if you cleaned them up a bit more. Try checking the voltage of the PSU. If you can find it under all that crud. :lolYou aint kidding, one of them had mice in it, That is a cleaning that will go deep, They diddnt chew the wire, from what I can see, just made a nest, and stored some corn, I borrowed the random outside cat, for a few days just to make sure I diddnt bring them into the house...For general cleaning I use that cheap spray away foaming glass cleaner in the spray can, it is not harsh or liquid (mostly wet foam) It does a nice job for the initial clean, and cigarette tar, (Not from me, but from bars and such back in the day)...Defender did still work, that was fun.
Get some Irish Spring soap or whatever you have that is equivalent. Slice the bars into thin strips around and inside the cabs. They do not like the smell.
I put it in my car engine so the little guys do not chew on my internal wiring.
Edit: Cannot spell today. Uhh I just did.
Post by: bobbyb13 on November 03, 2020, 07:54:55 pm
Never heard of the Irish Spring trick. I'll have to give that a shot.
Post by: Ropi Jo on November 04, 2020, 05:14:30 pm
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Post by: lilshawn on November 06, 2020, 01:04:05 pm
oddly enough, lincolin used a variable voltage regulator (like a LM317T) to drive the feed motor and it was not outputting anything. threw a new one in there and Bob's your auntie. been good ever since. not bad for $100.25. i figured even if I did have to buy a new board for it for a hundo or something... it was still a pretty decent welder for a decent price since most of this brand where in the 500 to 800+ range new.
at least it's a big name so parts are available for it basically everywhere.
it's got gas input, but all i've ever used is flux cored... so it's kinda what i'm used to (as bad as it is.) one of these days i'll get an argon bottle or something and try it out with some solid core and see how my welds come out. i'm an electronics guy by trade, so this isn't my kind of rodeo...and "grinding and paint make me the welder I ain't" so boogers, flux spatter and mess has been fine for the little crap things I do like fixing the rusty mower deck or tacking on a new exhaust hanger. as long as she holds together right?
Post by: lilshawn on November 06, 2020, 02:09:45 pm
might end up have to weld your car mad max style... be handy to know.
Post by: pbj on November 07, 2020, 06:07:50 pm
Post by: pbj on November 07, 2020, 07:50:25 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Vocalitus on November 11, 2020, 12:22:01 pm
Well the point being, I was a tin girl at a very young age, paddling lead with the torch and growing up in a bodyshop, Working street rods, customs, and composites paid extremely well for the day, welding, and shooting candy actually came quite easy, I have made choices in life I do regret sure, but it also made me who I am.
Well in the old days you finished school at 14 and took on an apprentice role. At the end you had a trade. A trade is more valuable than a piece of paper worth $100,000.00 and I have three of them. But when Mad Max time comes around nobody is going to need computers. A welder is worth their weight in gold. Good for you Jen. :applaud:
Post by: bobbyb13 on November 11, 2020, 12:51:37 pm
I look up to (envy!) all who own good welding gear and can use it well.
Post by: yotsuya on November 11, 2020, 07:43:22 pm
I was given a nice oscilloscope for free recently- I’d love to learn how to use it.A pictorial view (or walking video!) of your workspace and tool collection would be pretty fun I think.I would be fun, and quite helpful to everyone involved I would think, Years ago Jenn downsized considerably and sold all my commercial tooling and plating tanks, and ever since I have had a serious space problem and pretty much set up to do a job anymore, thats not fun to watch, since it takes considerable time...However I do have some really curious things that have little to no support on the internet, (vectorscopes, and rejuvenators, oscilloscopes, and now this Fluke project come mind) that really should be shared from a how to standpoint...I will work on that
I look up to (envy!) all who own good welding gear and can use it well.
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Post by: yotsuya on November 12, 2020, 01:00:20 pm
I really learned how to use my probe this summer when I was fixing a Crazy Kong board I screwed up. It was the first time I used one where I felt like I actually knew what I was doing.Dave over on EEEV blog is your man, He will, tear them down and explain them inside out...You will love that thing, once you get going with it, basicly it is XY, time/volts...And the probes usually x100 to get it down to safe input to scope, (yes add to math, but it is not that hard)...I was deathly afraid of mine at first, diddnt want to blow it up, but come to find out they are cheap as dirt, since few actually understand them anymore.(The analog ones anyway, digital latch are a different story) And for checking random Nos electronics, and input signals (quality), and working on boards... INVALUABLE.I was given a nice oscilloscope for free recently- I’d love to learn how to use it.A pictorial view (or walking video!) of your workspace and tool collection would be pretty fun I think.I would be fun, and quite helpful to everyone involved I would think, Years ago Jenn downsized considerably and sold all my commercial tooling and plating tanks, and ever since I have had a serious space problem and pretty much set up to do a job anymore, thats not fun to watch, since it takes considerable time...However I do have some really curious things that have little to no support on the internet, (vectorscopes, and rejuvenators, oscilloscopes, and now this Fluke project come mind) that really should be shared from a how to standpoint...I will work on that
I look up to (envy!) all who own good welding gear and can use it well.
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Post by: lilshawn on November 13, 2020, 06:34:33 pm
Post by: Ropi Jo on November 14, 2020, 03:46:39 pm
and since it can run on batteries it actually has a floating ground which is kind of rare on scopes...
Yrs ago I was a TV repairman. Most TVs back then had a chassis that sat at half mains potential. If using a mains powered scope it was vital to either remove the earth in the scope's power plug or use an isolation TX. Either that, or let the magic smoke out when you stuck the ground lead onto the chassis!
Post by: Osirus23 on November 19, 2020, 12:41:12 pm
Post by: pbj on November 20, 2020, 09:07:12 pm
Post by: Osirus23 on November 21, 2020, 06:54:27 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on November 25, 2020, 02:52:52 am
:lol
Can't wait to see the mess I can make when I try to fire up the old HP oscilloscope I ran across last year
Post by: lilshawn on November 25, 2020, 11:38:03 pm
in fact, i can vouch for any of the 87 series. I have an 87, an 87III (my work pigs) and an 87V (home shop)
the only thing i don't like about the 5 is they switched the current measurement default from DC to AC so now you have to press the YELLOW button to switch to DC amps all the time, where the 87 and the 87III are DC by default and you have to press the BLUE button to switch to AC current measurement.
as someone who uses all these meters daily (and 99% of the time on DC), i sometimes forget to switch the current on the 87v when i use it at home and find myself puzzled at wiered current reading figuring something is wrong....oh nope it's just on AC. :angry:
Post by: lilshawn on November 30, 2020, 11:56:51 am
it's caught me a couple times.
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 01, 2020, 03:11:06 am
Not that I have progressed much at this point either really-
If I had a nickel for every time I scrolled through the range choices until I actually found what gave me a reading that made sense...
Post by: PL1 on December 01, 2020, 09:50:26 am
The Eagle -- "E" -- is electromotive force, measured in Volts.
The Indian -- "I" -- is current flow, measured in Amps.
The Rabbit -- "R" -- is resistance, measured in Ohms.
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Eagle
Indian Rabbit
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The Eagle looks down and sees the Indian and the Rabbit side-by-side. ==> E=I*R
The Indian looks up and sees the Eagle over the Rabbit. ==> I=E/R
The Rabbit looks up and sees the Eagle over the Indian. ==> R=E/I
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If you know two of the variables, you can easily solve for the third. :cheers:
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Bonus pic for visual learners:
(https://studiousguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ohms-law.jpg)
Scott
Post by: PL1 on December 01, 2020, 11:56:49 am
- Area of a circle = Pi x radius2.
that is some deep ugly, ugly, ugly math.Very true. :scared
Fortunately, with most of what we do around here you can get away with the not-so-ugly math if you include some wiggle room to be on the safe side. :lol
Scott
Post by: PL1 on December 01, 2020, 01:04:38 pm
- 2d circles stacked on the z-axis line give you a consistent quantity (cross-sectional area) over distance.
The current limit is based on the cylinder diameter and materials.
Picture a garden hose vs. a fire hose.
- The larger diameter of the fire hose will allow more water to flow (current) at the same water pressure (voltage) compared to a garden hose.
- The material in the garden hose can't handle as much current and water pressure as a fire hose.
- The longer the hose is, the more resistance it will offer.
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 01, 2020, 10:20:25 pm
It's a relief that getting to enjoy this hobby doesn't necessarily demand understanding the whole picture- because I still don't.
I have always loved that cartoon that Scott posted, proving that I am a visual learner I suppose!
Post by: lilshawn on December 02, 2020, 02:48:54 pm
more water = higher volts
faster flowing water = more current
large pipe = low resistance & small pipe= higher resistance
different components can be described as water devices too
switches = valve
transistors = electrically operated valve
capacitor = bucket
inductor = water hammer arrestor
battery = water pump
loads = sprinklers
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What makes my head hurt is impedance and aluminum conductor reactance
need more physics in your life...once you learn about particle spin and the magnetic fields associated with that, it'll fall right into place. you don't need to go full Schrodinger or anything.
Post by: PL1 on December 02, 2020, 05:16:24 pm
Diode = one-way spring-loaded valve
- Water won't flow in one direction (reverse biased) and will only flow the other direction when there is enough water pressure (voltage) in that direction to overcome the spring holding the valve closed. (forward biased)
Scott
Post by: PL1 on December 02, 2020, 10:26:11 pm
Why do I feel like you guys spent alot of time at Radio Shack?Just long enough to buy parts . . . and occasionally educate the clerks and/or customers on basic electronics, standard terminology, etc. :lol
Scott
Post by: lilshawn on December 03, 2020, 11:10:03 am
Why do I feel like you guys spent alot of time at Radio Shack?Just long enough to buy parts . . . and occasionally educate the clerks and/or customers on basic electronics, standard terminology, etc. :lol
Scott
Typical ratshack outing for me:
"Can I help you?"
Doubt it.
Huh?
... Probably not. *walks away*
Post by: lilshawn on December 03, 2020, 11:16:54 am
Why do I feel like you guys spent alot of time at Radio Shack?...LOL
...L/Shawn, it is curious you mention partical spin, since that was one of my secret studies back in the day, conventional belief is positive seeks negative, however thats not entirely true, a positive atom is larger than a electron so utilizing physics the electron actually seeks the proton...As not to confuse others reading this however, a "Hot" ground is very seldom used in design, and the generally universal concept of positive Hot is utilized.
I'm currently on the belief that a particle exists in one spin, that if the opposite spin is measured it is actually that particle traveling backwards through time relative to our own.
(mainly due to the fact you can essentially "see" a clockwise spinning particle as a counterclockwise spinning particle travelling backwards through time)
Therefore we can observe ourselves both traveling forwards and backwards through time... simultaneously.
I haven't decided if time is circular or not, I mean I'm pretty sure it is, I just haven't fleshed it out with reasoning in my mind yet, also, I haven't had any marijuana edibles in a while so I haven't binged particle physics in a minute.
Post by: lilshawn on December 03, 2020, 02:54:37 pm
the outermost valence shells of the outermost atoms of the outermost molecules in the outermost cells of your fingertips, start to repel the outermost electrons in the outermost valence shells of the outermost atoms of the outermost molecules in an object. can you even say we have TOUCHED anything?... the only thing holding us together is magnetic fields and the only thing stopping us from touching things is the same thing keeping us together. (thus keeping us apart)
mutual exclusion of electron waves.
inverse wave theory allowing us to pass though "objects" when?
is this ghosts? do they have inverse valence shell waves? are they also travelling backwards though time? it's only lunchtime and i'm already having existential crisis.
:blowup:
Post by: lilshawn on December 03, 2020, 04:46:23 pm
Post by: PL1 on December 05, 2020, 04:17:44 pm
74lsxxx series chips for example if you diddnt hoard them back in the day, good luck.Twisty Wrist has a pretty good selection. ;D
https://www.twistywristarcade.com/ (https://www.twistywristarcade.com/)
Scott
Post by: PL1 on December 05, 2020, 09:23:17 pm
They do make some generic counterfeits nowadays, but the TI, and Fairchild gone like the dinosaurs.Wikipedia lists a potential sub for the 74LS574.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_7400-series_integrated_circuits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_7400-series_integrated_circuits)
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74x574 1 octal D-type edge-triggered flip-flop three-state 20 SN74HC574
Datasheet - https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74hc574.pdf (https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74hc574.pdf)
Product page - https://www.ti.com/product/SN74HC574 (https://www.ti.com/product/SN74HC574)
Digikey carries the SN74HC574N (https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/texas-instruments/SN74HC574N/277244) in a DIP package . . .
. . . and Mouser carries both the SN74HC574N and the SN74HC574NE4 in DIP packages.
http://www.mouser.com/access/?pn=SN74HC574N&sn=TI (http://www.mouser.com/access/?pn=SN74HC574N&sn=TI)
Double check the datasheets to be sure, but at first glance these look like suitable subs for a 74LS574 made by TI. :cheers:
Scott
Post by: PL1 on December 05, 2020, 11:44:46 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7400-series_integrated_circuits#Families (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7400-series_integrated_circuits#Families)
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74LS – Low-power Schottky. Implemented using the same technology as 74S but with reduced power consumption and switching speed, due to larger resistors. Typical 10 ns gate delay, remarkable (for the time) 2 mW dissipation, 4.75–5.25 V.
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74HC – High-speed CMOS, similar performance to 74LS, input/output levels not compatible with TTL, 12 ns. 2.0–6.0 V.
Looks like the 74HCT family is what you're looking for.
http://www.elecdude.com/2014/07/differences-in-cmos-4000-series-74ls-74hc-74hct.html (http://www.elecdude.com/2014/07/differences-in-cmos-4000-series-74ls-74hc-74hct.html)
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The 74LS (Low-power Schottky) family (like the original) uses TTL(Transistor-Transistor Logic) circuitry which is fast but requires more power than later families. The 74 series is often still called the 'TTL series' even though the latest ICs do not use TTL!
The 74HC family has High-speed CMOS circuitry, combining the speed of TTL with the very low power consumption of the 4000 series. They are CMOS ICs with the same pin arrangements as the older 74LS family. Note that 74HC inputs cannot be reliably driven by 74LS outputs because the voltage ranges used for logic 0 are not quite compatible, use 74HCT instead.
The 74HCT family is a special version of 74HC with 74LS TTL-compatible inputs so 74HCT can be safely mixed with 74LS in the same system. In fact 74HCT can be used as low-power direct replacements for the older 74LS ICs in most circuits. The minor disadvantage of 74HCT is a lower immunity to noise, but this is unlikely to be a problem in most situations.
Product page - https://www.ti.com/product/CD74HCT574 (https://www.ti.com/product/CD74HCT574)
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=CD74HCT574E&v=296 (http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=CD74HCT574E&v=296)
http://www.mouser.com/access/?pn=CD74HCT574E&sn=TI (http://www.mouser.com/access/?pn=CD74HCT574E&sn=TI)
Scott
Post by: lilshawn on December 06, 2020, 04:37:53 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 08, 2020, 01:31:39 am
Maybe before I die I will catch up
Post by: lilshawn on December 08, 2020, 02:08:10 pm
Post by: pbj on December 19, 2020, 04:17:39 pm
Post by: pbj on December 19, 2020, 04:27:31 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 25, 2020, 03:03:00 am
Have a Merry Christmas guys, and perhaps think of Jenn sometimes at the mall with a big cherry slurpie.😜
And Mele Kalikimaka to you! et alia, of course...
But does that mean we should be at the mall enjoying a big cherry slurpee and thinking of you , or...
Enjoying a big cherry slurpee and thinking of you at the mall, or...
Sometimes we...
Oh geez-
Happy Holidays!
Post by: PL1 on December 27, 2020, 05:22:54 pm
https://web.archive.org/web/20020825114822/http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=SDIPROB&variation=&aitem=3&mitem=5 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020825114822/http://www.corpsys.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=SDIPROB&variation=&aitem=3&mitem=5)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20020821081433im_/http://www.corpsys.com/store/images/SDIPRO.JPG)
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Scott
Post by: PL1 on December 27, 2020, 05:52:35 pm
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 28, 2020, 03:12:47 am
And maybe it is only 20 years old?
Post by: Zebidee on December 28, 2020, 07:48:03 am
Post by: lilshawn on December 28, 2020, 01:25:01 pm
and would probably be more better served over at Klove or Pinsidethat's just mean to say
Post by: lilshawn on December 28, 2020, 01:26:35 pm
CHD's and usb adapters pretty much made this obsolete.
Post by: PL1 on December 28, 2020, 01:40:48 pm
Looks like they made HDDs, HDD controllers, HDD duplicators/testers, optical drives, optical disc duplicators, DAT drives, etc.
They also published 8 editions of the "Hard Drive Bible" between 1989(?) and 1996. (estimate based on the copyright date on page 2 of "Hard Drive Bible - Edition 7")
- Edition 8 in 1996. https://archive.org/details/CSC_Hard_Drive_Bible_Edition_8_1996 (https://archive.org/details/CSC_Hard_Drive_Bible_Edition_8_1996)
- Edition 7 in 1994. https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_cscCSCHardn1994_33982972 (https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_cscCSCHardn1994_33982972)
- Edition 3 in 1991(?). https://www.cbldatarecovery.com/blog/data-recovery/throwback-video-creating-first-hard-disk-drive-at-ibm (https://www.cbldatarecovery.com/blog/data-recovery/throwback-video-creating-first-hard-disk-drive-at-ibm)
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If you want to see some old school action, here's IBM developing RAMAC -- the first hard drive system.
- It could store a whopping 3.75MB. :o :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRBD2uN9PY
Scott
Post by: lilshawn on December 29, 2020, 02:48:01 pm
(all in) is a pile back then.
a duper is/was great if you keep known good copies of hard drives around. we used to have a big 4x6 steel cabinet just jammed full of drives and EEPROMS and other related whatnots... when we got a new game we'd clone the drive and throw the clone in the cabinet. pretty soon it becomes not feasible to do so anymore... we started needing drives...and eventually couldn't find any pata drives...so you dig through the cabinet to try and find a clone of some game you didn't need/have anymore to dump onto.
with how fast internet is and how great PATA to..."everything" adapters are, it got to the point where it was just easier to download the CHD and dump it onto a pata to sdcard adapter or pata to compact flash or pata to usb...or pata to sata... or pata to laptop pata... or pata to other patas or pata to reed cuneiform on a clay tablet...like they literally have a pata to everything adapter now. it's great.
harddrive space be so cheap these days that we keep a drive now with literal clone images of 500 and up gb drives on it.
our cabinet still keeps parts and drives, but we only keep physical clones of touchtunes drives for all our serieses so if one goes down we can immediately swap it out for a new one and be back running in minutes instead of waiting hours for a sector by sector clone to complete.
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 30, 2020, 03:05:31 am
5 million characters is a lot of characters for it's time. like, a real shitload. was "characters" stored in 8 bit coding back then? that would have been like 40 million individual bits... but yeah 5 megabytes
(all in) is a pile back then.
a duper is/was great if you keep known good copies of hard drives around. we used to have a big 4x6 steel cabinet just jammed full of drives and EEPROMS and other related whatnots... when we got a new game we'd clone the drive and throw the clone in the cabinet. pretty soon it becomes not feasible to do so anymore... we started needing drives...and eventually couldn't find any pata drives...so you dig through the cabinet to try and find a clone of some game you didn't need/have anymore to dump onto.
with how fast internet is and how great PATA to..."everything" adapters are, it got to the point where it was just easier to download the CHD and dump it onto a pata to sdcard adapter or pata to compact flash or pata to usb...or pata to sata... or pata to laptop pata... or pata to other patas or pata to reed cuneiform on a clay tablet...like they literally have a pata to everything adapter now. it's great.
harddrive space be so cheap these days that we keep a drive now with literal clone images of 500 and up gb drives on it.
our cabinet still keeps parts and drives, but we only keep physical clones of touchtunes drives for all our serieses so if one goes down we can immediately swap it out for a new one and be back running in minutes instead of waiting hours for a sector by sector clone to complete.
Geez lilshawn, how many machines to you typically have running at once/ are you responsible to keep alive at any given time?!
Post by: Vocalitus on December 30, 2020, 12:03:31 pm
Corporate Systems Center was founded in 1986. (see page 4 of "Hard Drive Bible - Edition 7")
Looks like they made HDDs, HDD controllers, HDD duplicators/testers, optical drives, optical disc duplicators, DAT drives, etc.
They also published 8 editions of the "Hard Drive Bible" between 1989(?) and 1996. (estimate based on the copyright date on page 2 of "Hard Drive Bible - Edition 7")
- Edition 8 in 1996. https://archive.org/details/CSC_Hard_Drive_Bible_Edition_8_1996 (https://archive.org/details/CSC_Hard_Drive_Bible_Edition_8_1996)
- Edition 7 in 1994. https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_cscCSCHardn1994_33982972 (https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_cscCSCHardn1994_33982972)
- Edition 3 in 1991(?). https://www.cbldatarecovery.com/blog/data-recovery/throwback-video-creating-first-hard-disk-drive-at-ibm (https://www.cbldatarecovery.com/blog/data-recovery/throwback-video-creating-first-hard-disk-drive-at-ibm)
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If you want to see some old school action, here's IBM developing RAMAC -- the first hard drive system.
- It could store a whopping 3.75MB. :o :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRBD2uN9PY
Scott
Reminded me of my ST 506 I used as a door stop. I sold it in a spare PCXT for $200 after keeping the office door open for 3 years. Still had the terminator attached. I had a RLL drive that was slightly faster.
I just have to look funny at a modern HDD and it stops working. ;)
Post by: lilshawn on December 30, 2020, 04:25:14 pm
Geez lilshawn, how many machines to you typically have running at once/ are you responsible to keep alive at any given time?!
few hundred or so. I'm a service technician for an amusement company. we have machines in schools, bars, lounges, etc. one of the university locations has had 8 pinball machines, 5 videogames, 2 pooltables, 2 bubble hockey games, and 2 fooseball tables in it. (and a change machine to boot.)
during non-covid times, the school locations can be a daily route trip around the city just to do repairs. not so much this year, since basically everything is shutdown.
Post by: lilshawn on December 30, 2020, 10:00:39 pm
(says the guy with 3 fluke 87's)
Post by: bobbyb13 on December 31, 2020, 01:45:55 am
to learn enough-
to get that deep into this hobby
:lol
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 01, 2021, 04:05:09 am
At some point maybe I will need to know how some of the more arcane details of all this really go.
Post by: PL1 on January 01, 2021, 02:27:47 pm
the Rom dumper is a taboo subject that probibally can't even be talked about around hereNo problem talking about ROM dumping/burning test equipment. :cheers:
- That equipment and the ROM dumps are necessary for documenting, testing, and repairing original arcade PCBs.
That said, please don't post copyrighted ROM dumps here unless you are the legal owner of the copyright.
i.e. You wrote/own the code, not just you bought a PCB containing a copy of the code.
Rule 5 (http://new.arcadecontrols.com/arcade_message_rules.html) excerpt:
Quote from: saint
Need a ROM to repair an arcade board you own? Fine to talk about. Need a ROM to complete your MAME collection? Don't bother to post here.
Being able to dump and compare individual ROMs allowed Ian's friend Brian to discover that the program ROMs on the Galaxian board mentioned here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,152281.msg1607949.html#msg1607949) are a 100% match to "Galaxian Part 4 (hack)" [galap4] -- causing the faster game play and shooting -- but the graphics ROM was from "Galaxian (Midway Set 1)" [galaxianm] -- which explains the "Midway" text on the attract screen.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=353921;image)
Scott
Post by: lilshawn on January 04, 2021, 01:36:01 am
i've never had an issue and...but i've always wrapped the wires... vertically, the long way around.
i have stock leads on my mark V, but premium TL71 leads on my mark III. the premiums are silicone wire and feel pretty nice and flex really good. I believe the stock leads (on the mark V anyway) are PVC. (but they flex and feel great and are quite broken in, as I've had the meter for 16 some odd years now.)
Post by: PL1 on January 04, 2021, 02:16:38 am
frying a probe tip on the other hand...So . . . I'm not the only one who forgot to pull the water heater breaker before trying to measure resistance on the thermostat? :o
That brilliant move arc-welded about 1/8" off one of the leads and killed my old Radio Shack analog meter. :scared
Scott
Post by: lilshawn on January 04, 2021, 04:29:49 pm
fluke does it own certified and traceable calibrations and i think an 87 series is $180us... but that includes literally anything and everything that may need to be repaired or replaced to ensure accuracy.
i like knowing that when i probe something and it says there is 11.84 volts.... it's actually 11.84 volts... where a ratshak blister pack meter might say 12.1 and you'd think it's probably okay when in fact you have a bridge diode issue.
i highly recommend the premium probe set. they are about 40 bucks, but damn they feel great. you can also get ultrasharp stainless probes that are good for stabbing through (i guess) insulation/soldermask/etc. but i've hardly found such a set useful in the electronics that I repair... and i don't typically stab through insulation to get at a reading...i feel it introduces a failure point.
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 08, 2021, 01:44:25 am
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on January 08, 2021, 06:51:37 am
...and you do all this while I am still struggling to just get my workshop sorted and keep enough projects afloat to keep from feeling like a total loser
:lol
Having a good workspace is really important. Even with great tools etc, it is very hard to operate if your workspace is full or junk, impossible to move around or find anything in.
Now that I've got another batch of GreenAntz transcoders out of the way I'm cleaning out the shed/shop. I want to put a component-modded TV into my next cab (an Aussie lowboy I made the body for before getting focused on things like swim teaching and GreenAntz), and I can't get into that while my shed is a dusty junky mess. Today I rediscovered the secret cathartic joy of burning 10 years old work research/policy/reports stuff, bank statements and insurance rubbish. Tomorrow I may relearn the joys of taking a truckload of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to the rubbish tip.
Jennifer, I am very impressed with the stuff you do and your skillset. I love reading your posts. I wish I could do half the stuff you do like welding. But is OK, is probably easier for me to take it to the local welding shop anyway. To me it is all about choices ("needs and circumstances", do it yourself or just get someone else to do it), and learning how to do at least some stuff yourself gives you choices.
Post by: Ropi Jo on January 08, 2021, 03:34:51 pm
I sometimes wonder if anyone ever reads my crazy thoughts,
"Crazy Thought Reader" here!
Your working level is generally way over my head but a thoroughly enjoyable read non-the-less!
Post by: Zebidee on January 08, 2021, 04:43:11 pm
Is not like metal shop workers typically get much pay anyway.
The actual build is easy, it is already built in my head, and can think about unicorns and things while I work...Lol.
Jenn I think your workbench might need some more unicorns? :lol
Post by: pbj on January 08, 2021, 09:14:25 pm
Post by: pbj on January 09, 2021, 09:05:50 am
Post by: pbj on January 10, 2021, 04:27:46 pm
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on January 11, 2021, 03:59:01 am
Post by: Zebidee on January 11, 2021, 07:10:41 pm
That gets a bit advanced I guess...Buying a cheap old Analog scope, and testing random things like leds, resistors, 555 timers will make you feel smarter than everyone in your town...😜
lol, I don't think I'm being egotistical when I say I'm already smarter than most people in town (except maybe my wife). But then, I live in a small town in rural Thailand where nothing more complicated than a rice harvest is likely to happen. There is a brain drain going on here: all the smarter people leave for jobs in the Big Smoke, except for the even smarter or luckier ones (like me) that come here to escape the Big Smoke (semi-retire).
When I talked about choices before... often I learn how to do things myself because there simply isn't anyone else around that can do it. So I have no choice except to learn and do it myself. Which is why I'm happy to outsource whatever I can (like simple metalworking), so I have more time to focus on other things.
My working theory of life is that anyone of average+ intelligence can do pretty much anything they want so long as they put their mind and heart towards making it happen. This is why I have such high respect for skills - it takes minds and hearts. However there isn't enough time to do *everything* yourself, no matter how big you mind and heart, thus choices and allowing yourself to ask for help.
For an oscilloscope I'm currently making do with a digital USB one (Owon), which I connect to my laptop. It is great and lets me "see the matrix" so to speak, but does inspire me to get a desktop scope in the future.
Post by: Zebidee on January 12, 2021, 09:39:25 am
Basically I'm happy to currently have body with both legs and both hands working at mostly full capacity.
I have enough parts in my shed to make at least a few arcade cabs from scratch already, and I have a decent collection of game PCBs to put in them too if I want to :D WHich is why I've been making an effort to clean it all up so I can get in there without choking on dust.
Where I haven't been busy with other things, last little while been busying myself with the GreenAntz RGB to component transcoder project, if only because it would secure a steady supply of CRT TVs to use as arcade monitors in a land where arcade monitors are as rare as hens teeth.
We get a lot of snakes, next to a big river. In the wet season about one per week or so. Mostly non-threatening, we just shoo them away. But then, I'm Australian and there they have the deadliest snakes in the world - these Thai ones are just for show.
Then there are the scorpions. And don't even get me started about the centipedes.
Hmm creme soda? Maybe, there are so many flavours here. MacDonalds? closest I know of is four hours hard drive away. I have no idea what a Tootsie roll is :dunno
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 13, 2021, 01:04:36 am
Of course there are nearly no classic arcade machines left either.
We have similar issues to yours here but I am sure you are even more remotely situated than I (and I will burn diesel for electricity for another few months and can't get an internet connection to maintain good standing on a hobby-appropriate torrent yet still either-) :banghead:
Also grateful for the health I still have...
And still I envy Jennifer her welding equipment!!
Not that I know how to use any of it well- still :lol
So her skill too
:)
Post by: Zebidee on January 13, 2021, 12:48:35 pm
Z/dee, I really hope your shed has power, because half the fun is middle of the night, crazy experimental, and falling asleep at the workbench waking up with drool all over the side of your head (Dont ask how I would know this)
lol, I prefer to work at night as less interruptions and too hot to work in middle of the day (most of the year). We are civilised of course and had power and internet here as soon as there was a bamboo hut to hook the optical fibre up to.
Yes I have also fallen asleep with my head inside an arcade cab (oh my darling what troubles thee, let me lay my head inside your front door, better to gaze upon your pretty wires from down here, oh looky here dear zzzzzzzzzz).
Now that's true intimacy.
Aparently Fraud protection shut my payment off
Yikes, been spending big lately?
Post by: Zebidee on January 14, 2021, 12:44:31 pm
Thor heard you were doing some metalwork and brought Mjolnir to help. Did someone say arc welding?
Do you even have a cat? 'Coz that would help with the skunks and coyotes.
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 14, 2021, 06:11:26 pm
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on January 14, 2021, 07:43:22 pm
Remove heat, Its not a new concept They have been doing that for years,
lol seems like 1/2 of physics is dealing with the byproducts of the monsters we create.
There's always liquid nitrogen... which you can also use to make ice cream! YUM YUM
Post by: Zebidee on January 17, 2021, 05:51:34 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 18, 2021, 10:17:11 pm
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on January 19, 2021, 04:49:02 am
This one is for testing logic gate function
Post by: Zebidee on January 19, 2021, 04:58:43 am
cheap chinese relay doesn't have mounting holes, so I had to improvise with scrap wood and zip ties.
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 19, 2021, 04:59:18 am
Then again I'm not sure most people have otherwise beautiful slabs of... merbau? at their disposal for project beds.
I'm happy that your soldering is far nicer than mine.
:applaud:
Post by: Zebidee on January 19, 2021, 05:51:13 am
We got lucky. Thailand used to have lots of wood but all the easily available stuff is now gone, and most of what is left is protected within National Parks.
Post by: Zebidee on January 20, 2021, 12:01:32 am
One switch (PC power on) to rule them all...
Put a PC-style power inlet at the back as well, so I can use PC power cords and remove them as necessary. No need to worry about stashing power cables!
Got Loewe TV to automatically turn on once power applied by putting a 100uF capacitor across a momentary switch built into the power button. I've spent ages trying to get it to turn on automatically via service menu etc, no luck. turns out a capacitor worth a few cents does the trick.
Other than the 5v relay that came by courier (~60 cents each), everything I used came from ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- already in my shed except for 1 thing - I had to get a 10A fuse from local shop for the power inlet, price ~20 cents.
Overall this project has cost me less than $1 if you exclude cost of stuff I had anyway, but even then total cost well under $10
Post by: Zebidee on January 20, 2021, 10:48:49 pm
Unfortunately my cleverness has undone me - I have a nice power button to use and drilled a hole, only to realise the shaft is a tiny bit too short for the locking ring to screw on. I could router out behind but there is a CRT in the way. So I have a hole to fill (fortunately at back so not very visible) and back to using a standard arcade button for power on/off which is not very satisfactory but will have to do for now.
Must be nice to have a new stove in the middle of winter. Does that exhaust fan go anywhere?
Post by: Zebidee on January 21, 2021, 12:50:16 am
After I went and lay down my head for 30 minutes and ate some breakfast, the solution to my button woes appeared in my mind.
Located a NOS degaussing button recovered from old arcade machine long ago. It is bright red, momentary, with a reasonably firm pressing action, ~1/2 inch or 13mm square at front and the shaft behind is only just over 10mm wide.
Then dug out an arcade button blank (that they use to fill unused holes with) and drilled a hole in the middle for the degauss button. Mounted button into the blank and viola! My arcade now has a decent on/off button.
Post by: Zebidee on January 21, 2021, 12:54:14 am
Post by: Zebidee on January 21, 2021, 02:33:49 am
Reminds me, better finish this project off and go find my carpenter. He's useless at making arcade cabs (or anything else to a plan) but is good at making chunky furniture out of undressed/poorly dressed timber.
Post by: Zebidee on January 21, 2021, 03:44:58 am
Please excuse how skanky the area around the switch looks - it is at the back, so not visible normally. I will clean up the whole area again soon, but first I need to bog up a couple of things. Then a repaint.
Post by: Zebidee on January 22, 2021, 06:22:12 pm
Hot air also works well for desoldering ICs esp SMD stuff where suction won't help much.
I also still use a hand/manual solder pump sometimes, even with the desoldering station. There is a trick, a timing to using it properly and yes they get clogged very easily, but great for removing solder blobs. The action can be a bit violent, so take care with sensitive parts. Is easy to burn the tip with your iron as you need them pretty close to manage the swap n suck motion, but my solder pump still has the same tip from over 10 years ago.
Not really fond of solder wick, though sometimes there is no other choice. Have ripped a few pads/traces off by accident with it.
Post by: Zebidee on January 23, 2021, 03:50:58 am
Post by: Zebidee on January 23, 2021, 04:24:52 am
Still use a cheap iron from local shop for general work outnabout.
Using a XXX 858D hot air gun - the XXX is because there are many ripoff copies out there I don't even know what the letters originally were. Mine says JCD 858D. Anyway, it was cheap and good value for the money. Dave of EEVblog fame does a review. I find it useful for SMD soldering as well as desoldering.
Dave from EEVblog also did a video of a bloke who had one of these things melt down on him. The lesson from that is to make sure you've reseated the gun in the cradle properly when you've finished with it, otherwise the magnetic trigger inside doesn't register that you've finished, and stop heating/blow more air to cool itself down.
Post by: Zebidee on January 23, 2021, 05:07:58 pm
Post by: Zebidee on January 24, 2021, 06:34:26 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 25, 2021, 07:11:54 pm
Which brings me to 2nd mod (besides giant color vector tube)...Stereo, That game is a bit generic with its sounds, But pinsound (Stereo) also has support for a shaker motor, and with triggers for flashing under dash lights, getting shot out the sky will be quite traumatic...This will be more difficult than it sounds, since that Atari board is aparently set up as silos of events, and will need pointers to be modified.
Not that I know enough presently anyway, but...
I REALLY wanna make me some big color vector CRT
Post by: Zebidee on January 25, 2021, 09:30:19 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 26, 2021, 12:05:12 am
Bobby, might be of interest to you: Vector monitor kit project https://www.facebook.com/groups/280646265896719
Now THAT is something I can get into mister!
And thank you also Jennifer, I'll be looking through the pile of screens I have to find the right one for the project.
The vector only machine will be the next big leap (already have a good control panel layout- but probably going to have to build the proper twin joysticks myself I think.)
Yeehaw!
Post by: Zebidee on January 26, 2021, 06:41:19 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 26, 2021, 11:23:18 pm
But I have a long list of critical stuff up at the ranch that needs to happen first!
Finish 10,000 gallon aquaponics system
Build out in the in-laws addition
Finish siding and composting toilet for workshop/loft
Build garage for lawn and garden crap (to clear out my workshop finally!)
Third goat shelter
Cage for in ground vegetable garden
PV system for the whole circus
etc etc etc
I'll be pushing up daisies (or here, bananas?) before this place is done
27" seems to be the largest comfortable for standard cabinet dimensions, except for maybe a sit down driver/cockpit of some sort.
25" horizontal should be big enough for a vector only machine I think (I don't want Tempest to look stupid mostly!)
I am guilty of having hoarded every CRT that I come across and not even firing up half of them to see if they work.
Not sure even what sizes or angle tubes they are really.
I do have a 36" Trinitron that needs to be plugged into my GreenAntz when I can get an hour to devote to it! I think I have 6 Sonys actually.
Oh, to have the time I really want in life...
Post by: Zebidee on January 27, 2021, 01:20:25 am
I do have a 36" Trinitron that needs to be plugged into my GreenAntz when I can get an hour to devote to it! I think I have 6 Sonys actually.
Oh, to have the time I really want in life...
I'm already grateful for your support of the GreenAntz project Bobby, and I'll be gushingly grateful if you can find the time to test out and report ... more testing, especially by people who are not me, always a good thing.
It should work interchangeably with your other RGB 15khz displays, just plug it in. In general, if you have a PC already setup for an RGB arcade monitor or TV, it should also work with GreenAntz to component TV (so long as you don't use composite sync from CRT_emulator. GreenAntz is deliberately designed for H+V sync - the default - and doesn't like composite sync input because GreenAntz has its own circuit to combine the sync).
I'm always here to help as much as I can too, just PM me or post.
Post by: Osirus23 on January 28, 2021, 04:12:34 pm
I am guilty of having hoarded every CRT that I come across and not even firing up half of them to see if they work.
Me too. Looking to get rid of some now actually. Mostly less desirable stuff like a non-moddable Sanyo.
Post by: Osirus23 on January 28, 2021, 05:05:52 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 29, 2021, 11:05:17 pm
I love the idea of utilitarian builds- and a vector is a great platform I would think.
And Princess Jennifer my dear, if you stumble on any Paperboy yoke parts in your digging around in the cold cellar I know someone who would buy some handlebar parts ;)
I've been trying to scrounge parts to build a controller for a while now.
I actually WAS a paperboy when that machine was released!
Never forget the first time I saw that at Milford Rec in CT.
Appropriately, I blew a lot of the paper route money on it. :lol
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 30, 2021, 02:22:49 am
The Evening Sentinel !
Talk about jobs that have disappeared since my childhood-
And the things I wish I had pictures of (like me on my Diamond Back with that dingy orange newspaper bag slung over my shoulder) so that the kids had even more things to laugh at me about.
The paper route proceeds that I didn't pump into machines went into that bike (and passes to the roller skating rink in Orange, CT now that I really think about it.)
Oh, and cassette tapes
Comic books too-
:laugh2:
Appreciate the thought on paperboy parts!
Post by: Zebidee on January 30, 2021, 04:02:45 am
Here's a Star Wars yoke (joke) for you.
My daughter approaches me with wide eyes and, with a deep serious voice, says "You are my father!"
My response: "NOOOOOOOooooooooo..... Oh hang on, yeah you're right!"
Dad jokes, gotta love 'em.
Post by: bobbyb13 on January 31, 2021, 12:47:50 am
Ahhh...I haven't heard about Diamondback bikes for seems a hundred years, My brother had one (he mowed lawns) and that thing was like 500.00 dollars back in the day, that would be like 1500.00 today I am thinking with inflation, He always had it tore apart, and hanging in the garage, talking about mag wheels he never seemed to afford, and wheeling and dealing parts...Me, well never really had a bike, but did buy a fancy skateboard (somebody stole it) but I would go down to the skatepark and peek through the fence wanting to try all that fun stuff, I never learned to ride...Until last summer, I built another board and went on a skate every state tour, I finally learned to ride (lost a tooth in the process, and had to get a inplant) but ride it I did, I went coast to coast skating random places and hit most states anyway.
The Evening Sentinel !
Talk about jobs that have disappeared since my childhood-
And the things I wish I had pictures of (like me on my Diamond Back with that dingy orange newspaper bag slung over my shoulder) so that the kids had even more things to laugh at me about.
The paper route proceeds that I didn't pump into machines went into that bike (and passes to the roller skating rink in Orange, CT now that I really think about it.)
Oh, and cassette tapes
Comic books too-
:laugh2:
Appreciate the thought on paperboy parts!
I caught that tour!
We have some good parks out here it appears, but I am too old and fragile (or wise?!) to think I should be playing in them.
I didn't start skating until after I was a snowboarder and then a surfer too- like about 23. I quit skating before I was 30 due to the regular injuries!
Was keeping me out of the water a little too often.
Wouldn't it be easier to just build a power supply for that monster you are planning?
Post by: Zebidee on January 31, 2021, 07:19:44 am
As it turned out, I'm really good at swimming and was even training with the Aussie Masters team (like Olympics for old people) at one point, but I never wanted to compete. Qualified as a swim teacher not long ago, just to add to my skillset and options. However, hacking arcade cabs and electronics are proving to be more than enough to keep me busy.
Next month the weather will be good enough to get into the pool regularly again, which will make my pooh-bear tummy a little tighter and me happier. Which makes now a great time to be finishing off that vertical cab and getting back to my Aussie lowboy. I have the raw shell done in 3/4 inch plywood, metal control panel blank cut and CRT mounted, but project has been idle about 2 years.
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 01, 2021, 02:56:16 am
Isn't re-winding any transformer, yoke or otherwise just being able to stay focused long enough to count properly all the way through?
;)
I imagine there is a pattern to how you fill an item up but that shouldn't be too hard to sort out I would think.
Maybe sourcing the right gauge wire (with the proper insulation on it?) is hard?
I'm looking forward to this whole technique since I want to build a vector monitor and would like to know how it all works.
Post by: Zebidee on February 01, 2021, 08:43:16 am
Post by: Zebidee on February 01, 2021, 10:20:45 am
For some reason big dudes always get into minis. They pack a lot of crap in a small space, always difficult to work on because there is always something else in the way.
Once I pulled apart the carburettor on my Datsun 120Y to clean it, must've been 100 little parts. Cleaned it, put it back together, had 2 parts left over. But the darn thing worked and worked better than ever. So I just shrugged and popped it back on. This was in the days before we all had digital cameras to take photos before taking stuff apart.
Post by: Zebidee on February 01, 2021, 06:05:58 pm
The pain was completely indescribable, there are no words, no world left except the world of pain. Their venom is a powerful neurotoxin. Local hospital completely useless, just get a big bag of ice and a few bottles of cheap whiskey and hang on for the wild ride as it takes about 24 hours of hell before the pain starts to lessen.
Post by: Zebidee on February 01, 2021, 06:47:47 pm
Z/Dee...my 74LS chips for that pod build are aparently coming from Thailand, It is a company I have never dealt with before From Australia, I believe, (Furturlec) but the chips are coming from just down your road...(* Secretly hoping there is not a snake or some spiders in that box 😳).
Futurlec... Aussie based but offices in Bangkok, NY, London. Thanks for mentioning them, as interested in finding a more local company that does PCB printing/assembly.
Post by: jennifer on February 02, 2021, 03:52:50 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 02, 2021, 05:07:56 pm
Well, I am saying anything good or bad about them, they just happened to have what I need, and decided to give them a try...The reviews are not favorable I will say...Hopefully all goes well, since I do like there site, as it is easy to navigate, and aparently they got contacts and offices all over the world.
Kinda like dealing with Suzo Happ then?!
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 02, 2021, 09:04:28 pm
Not only is it a mystery cost until they bill you, they won't ship USPS which means I am primed for getting cornholed because every other means of shipping stuff to me is prohibitively expensive.
I know they are not set up to deal with little crap like me/mine, but their customer service could probably use a little help.
Post by: Zebidee on February 02, 2021, 10:10:17 pm
Sent some parcels out before New Year and they all sat around in Bangkok for over a week. Stuff I sent to Australia 5 weeks ago arrived in country, but just sitting in a depot somewhere. Stuff I ordered from China 2 months ago still not arrived, boat probably got stuck on an artificial reef in the South China Sea.
Seems to be DHL giving all the grief, which is weird as they were the good ones until now. On the other hand, everything sent to the USA via USPS has been trouble-free.
Let's see how we go with Europe.... :P
Post by: Zebidee on February 03, 2021, 04:04:43 am
Dick Smith was like Radio Shack in Australia. Clever guy, he made his fortune and wisely sold out a few years before the red ink started leaking and it went bust.
Post by: PL1 on February 07, 2021, 02:18:59 pm
It will probably be years before anyone in this neighborhood works on or attempts to design a circuit with a negative capacitor.
This news release seems to do a good job of explaining how the theory works in just a few pages of text that doesn't read like an electrical engineering textbook. ;D
https://phys.org/news/2019-04-newly-static-negative-capacitor.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-04-newly-static-negative-capacitor.html)
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The researchers found that by pairing a negative capacitor in series with a positive capacitor, they could locally increase the voltage on the positive capacitor to a point higher than the total system voltage. In this way, they could distribute electricity to regions of a circuit requiring higher voltage while operating the entire circuit at lower voltage.
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 10, 2021, 12:20:54 am
I have been on a search to build the ultimate 4/8 way switchable with triggers for the vector only machine (which hopefully is next?!)
Post by: PL1 on February 10, 2021, 01:56:32 am
I have been on a search to build the ultimate 4/8 way switchable with triggers for the vector only machine (which hopefully is next?!)If you're wanting to do a good model of BZ/RB-style handles for the 3d printed handle thread here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,164442.0.html) someone will need to take a full set of accurate measurements off an original, including measuring the curved edges using a fillet gauge.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=370920;image)
If you don't have a gauge with the correct diameter curve, you can make custom octagonal fillet gauges with the OpenSCAD code here.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2924356 (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2924356)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=370921;image)
Scott
Post by: Zebidee on February 10, 2021, 08:13:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8QAbm687wU
Post by: PL1 on February 10, 2021, 10:51:19 am
I guess Jenn got a little lost on that.Sorry I wasn't more clear.
In the other thread, Bobby wanted to make a modified 3d printed version of the plastic handle sides used in both Battle Zone (P/Ns 035995-01 and 035995-02 on page 36 of the manual here (https://web.archive.org/web/20170922173354/http://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/B/Battlezone.pdf)) and Red Baron. (P/Ns 036995-01 and 036995-02 on page 38 of the manual here (https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Arcade//Manual/formated/Red_Baron_-_1980_-_Atari.pdf))
- The handle P/Ns are different, but they are interchangeable. Atari did this with some of their parts. :dunno
- Once a good 3d model of the handles is created, it can be modified to mount on any joystick base. For example, the 3d printable LS-30 (Ikari Warriors) handle model I designed here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158253.0.html) for the Happ mechanical rotary stick and then modified here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158266.0.html) for the Ultimarc 12-way rotary upgrade.
Other than the handle sides and the top-fire switch (P/N 62-043), the rest of the BZ and RB joysticks are completely different from each other.
I don't envy anyone having to chase down replacement parts for either stick.
Scott
Post by: PL1 on February 10, 2021, 02:20:35 pm
That seems to be an impressive project, This planet needs more of you guys in it, I wouldn't be of much help however as that's beyond the scope of Jenns bench,The way that collectors like you can help 3d modellers is either to provide accurate measurements of the handle sides or, better yet, find someone trustworthy and loan them a spare set of handle sides that they can use to make a great model.
- The only reason those LS-30 handle models are so accurate is because 8BitMonk generously loaned me an original long enough to take all of the measurements and figure out all of the mind-numbing 3d triginometry needed to build a parametric model in OpenSCAD. :notworthy: :cheers:
- I'd throw my hat in the ring for doing a BZ/RB handle model, but right now I've got several other models I'm working on that I really should finish first. (2 repros of loaned parts, an original remix of a rare controller type, and several other interesting/exciting projects) Too many projects, not enough time. :banghead:
It should be noted the Food Fight is also in that mix (as far as parts go) but there are differences between the three obviously...As for building a NOS 40 year old Atari gimbal stick, It probably isn't going to happen anymore in our lifetime, I most likely have the last one on my bench the world will ever see, Even had to call in a few favors to pull that off.Yeah, those Atari analog sticks are getting harder to find in any kind of good working condition.
Once they are gone, hopefully someone will have a 3d model of the handle that can be mounted on something like a Happ or Quimat (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158906.0.html) analog joystick.
- Obviously, a re-handled Quimat stick is not as good as the original Atari stick, but it maintains at least the form and function to keep the games alive and playable.
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 11, 2021, 02:41:04 am
But I need to get the amorphous white blob cabinet project done before I can (literally) get to my workbench again :lol
I'll get there, but I think it may be a month off at the rate things are going presently.
One of the things I would loved to have gotten into is 3d modelling and printing.
I feel Scott's pain on the projects vs. time graph.
Just trying to keep up with developing the infrastructure on the farm and building the surfboards I have promised to some people has been all consuming for the daylight hours of the last few months.
But I keep stumbling on good project bits on fleabay and can't help but buy them. >:D
If I stumble onto anything that is rare and/or needs to be repro'd/preserved you can be sure it will go to someone who could pull it off.
I DO have a pair of those Star Wars Trilogy/ Cyber Sled handles (complete with angles hollow shafts!) but I don't believe those are on the list of things to be copied yet-
Or are they?! :dunno
Post by: PL1 on February 11, 2021, 01:05:00 pm
I DO have a pair of those Star Wars Trilogy/ Cyber Sled handles (complete with angles hollow shafts!) but I don't believe those are on the list of things to be copied yet-Pretty sure the handles you're talking about are the left grip 95-1294-00 here (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/accessories/95-1294-00) and right grip 95-1293-00 here (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/accessories/95-1293-00) used on Happ joysticks 95-1431-00 here (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/joysticks/95-1431-00) and 95-0179-00 here (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/joysticks/95-0179-00).
Or are they?! :dunno
- Happ is still making them . . . for now. (Unlike the Happ 50-5618-00 (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/accessories/50-5618-00) mechanical rotary stick. :cry: )
Those SWT handles would probably be very difficult to repro in OpenSCAD. :scared
- Someone could do it much easier with CAD software.
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 11, 2021, 08:56:50 pm
I still need the thumb buttons and their complementary switches though.
I have a list of various bits to buy from the Happ crew but since I know I will get rattled on shipping anyway I'm waiting to get a full list of possible needs first.
That and I need a little more Franken- bench time to see what parts fit with what in the things I'm trying to create so I know I am actually getting what parts I can still buy (and see what I may need to fab after the dust settles.)
But for this weekend I think it will be making a lot of polyester resin dust that consumes my free time.
One would think that somebody would have made everything you can think of already in the frantic first 20 years of early arcade ludicrousness.
But I suppose not!
Post by: PL1 on February 11, 2021, 09:33:00 pm
I still need the thumb buttons and their complementary switches though.Before you order direct from Happ, you might want to ask Divemaster if arcadeemulator.net (http://www.arcadeemulator.net/) has or can special order those items for you.
I have a list of various bits to buy from the Happ crew but since I know I will get rattled on shipping anyway I'm waiting to get a full list of possible needs first.
That and I need a little more Franken- bench time to see what parts fit with what in the things I'm trying to create so I know I am actually getting what parts I can still buy (and see what I may need to fab after the dust settles.)
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 12, 2021, 04:16:52 am
Good advice.
For the switches I'm not sure what I need because I don't have originals to work from, but I may have ones from something else that do fit and could be helpful in a Mouser et al search. Good plan.
Scott, I will definitely look to Divemaster for some parts!
Post by: lilshawn on February 12, 2021, 07:56:34 pm
their website is sompthin else.
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 12, 2021, 11:43:29 pm
I need to finish that cabinet soon because I'm getting antsy about controllers and monitors now
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on February 13, 2021, 02:13:03 am
I need to finish that cabinet soon because I'm getting antsy about controllers and monitors now
:lol
Speaking of antsy... :D
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 14, 2021, 01:55:19 am
I need to finish that cabinet soon because I'm getting antsy about controllers and monitors now
:lol
Speaking of antsy... :D
Suppose I should've said pardon the pun...?
I finally got my Jrok multiWilliams board which was meant to be the first test for my GreenAntz, so I've run out of excuses to stall
Except for that I am working 7 days a week on other people's stuff still...
:cry:
Post by: Zebidee on February 14, 2021, 04:04:24 am
These ants lay eggs everywhere and get into every nook and cranny, you have to pull everything apart to clean. They love optical drives! hurrr
A few years ago I had to clean a colony out of my original xboxes. I let myself get too exposed to their formic acid brew and developed an allergic reaction. This time I kept to doing everything outside with the air compressor.
Post by: Zebidee on February 14, 2021, 06:25:16 am
Post by: Zebidee on February 15, 2021, 12:04:02 pm
Always good to have multiple projects running because when you get to that point of "Oh I need to wait for the XXX to arrive", you'll realise that something else has already been delivered for another project and you can push on.
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 15, 2021, 07:42:00 pm
:lol, I am looking at a box of RAM that was delivered before Christmas but I haven't opened the box yet... funny how your priorities when you order stuff are often not the same as when it is delivered.
Always good to have multiple projects running because when you get to that point of "Oh I need to wait for the XXX to arrive", you'll realise that something else has already been delivered for another project and you can push on.
This!
Not to mention that when I get stuck on something (since it is all planned ahead, and then re-engineered on the fly since it never goes as planned!) the whole multiple projects idea gives you something to work on while you wait for inspiration to fix the last mess you made!
Post by: lilshawn on February 15, 2021, 09:07:04 pm
package sits on bench for 2 weeks
Post by: Zebidee on February 15, 2021, 11:24:43 pm
Suddenly getting paranoid about whether any of them have batteries...
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 17, 2021, 03:37:21 am
Curiously I got boxes that have never been opened ever, for like decades, I know what's in them for the most part, but they are actually safer in the box, like backglass or playfields and things....Some of them no idea what's in them, on my birthday or Christmas or someting I grab one like a fun present to myself... Its usually something random like a switching power supply or something, but still a fun surprise.
You are all making me feel better about the CRT hoarding behavior I fell into a few years ago
>:D
Post by: Osirus23 on February 17, 2021, 01:43:51 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 18, 2021, 03:18:50 am
Collecting Crts is not a hobby for the faint of heart, Just saying...🙄
Although I'm sure I have at least 20 now, I'm not sure I have enough variety to refer to myself as a "collector" yet
:lol
But I do appreciate the idea!
Post by: Zebidee on February 18, 2021, 03:40:03 am
I say "new" because they use refurbished tubes. But not bad for a usable monitor at about US$65-70 each.
Post by: Osirus23 on February 18, 2021, 11:28:36 am
Post by: Zebidee on February 18, 2021, 12:33:09 pm
Need something to re-motivate me.
Yeah baby I'm feeling that too
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 19, 2021, 05:39:29 pm
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 07:55:06 pm
Motivation comes from anywhere and everywhere, Sitting in traffic staring at a traffic light, the swing of the arm at the bowling alley, the popping of the steel belts of a tire fire, virtually everywhere...Looking at the same thing too long, yes that does create a vacuum but as luck would have it, there are many aspects to a arcade machine to entice even you guys.😁
Funny talking about motivation, I've been letting my brain go into idle mode for a few days, vaguely thinking about various projects. Wife criticises me for playing games on my cab, I tell her I'm getting my brain back on track.
Then, like tumblers in a lock falling into place, I suddenly had an inspiration for making the GreenAntz YPbPr transcoders work properly with composite sync input direct from PC (rather than just normal H+V sync). The solution is remarkably simple too, not too difficult to retrofit. Feeling much more motivated.
When you focus intently on doing something, after a while you have to take a step back and do something else. Your mind continues thinking in the background about what you were doing, and often comes up with solutions you couldn't see when too focused.
Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 08:12:07 pm
Got my friendly local carpenter to do the shelves for me. Yes, the one I mentioned earlier that can't follow a plan. Well, he took measurements and made the shelves as one piece, to fit perfectly into my storage room (88cm wide), but forgot to account for the doorway space (66cm wide). Reckons he can turn the shelves inside after he pokes them through the door, but he can't because the diagonal width (corner to opposite corner) is wider than the room. He doesn't believe me, so we go through the motions of trying to put them in so he can see it just won't work. Impossible to get the shelves in. Just like I told him a week ago.
So now he has to go back and make them narrower so they'll fit, another 2 days or so work for him. Gosh.
Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 08:38:03 pm
Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 09:42:16 pm
Box #3 rockola... are those large cylinders paper caps?
Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 10:00:53 pm
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Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 10:49:44 pm
Post by: Zebidee on February 19, 2021, 10:50:28 pm
Post by: Zebidee on February 20, 2021, 03:39:44 pm
Post by: Zebidee on February 21, 2021, 07:55:55 pm
How is the Hakko sucker?
Post by: pbj on February 21, 2021, 09:37:35 pm
Post by: pbj on February 21, 2021, 10:54:51 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 22, 2021, 11:44:28 pm
I REALLY would like to make one of those one day
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 23, 2021, 08:42:09 pm
I even pulled the whole thing onto my laptop so I could have it for when I had time and space to make one.
And then the laptop died- with no backup of that drive.
No clue now where I had found it either.
:angry:
Post by: PL1 on February 23, 2021, 11:02:22 pm
A while back I had stumbled onto a thread where someone very thoroughly documented a near complete disassembly of an original Star Wars cockpit.Here are a few places to look.
I even pulled the whole thing onto my laptop so I could have it for when I had time and space to make one.
And then the laptop died- with no backup of that drive.
No clue now where I had found it either.
:angry:
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/Star_Wars_Cockpit (http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/Star_Wars_Cockpit)
- Has links to several related threads.
modessitt - FINALLY! Star Wars Cockpit Measurements
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,66626.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,66626.0.html)
- Pretty sure this is the main thread for measurements.
Level42 - Star Wars Cockpit......SHE LIVES !!!!!
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,68094.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,68094.0.html)
- On page 9 there are clarifications for several measurements, and there are back door measurements on pg 10.
- Looks like most of the pictures were hosted on another site, are no longer available from that site, and weren't captured by archive.org. :banghead:
- Hopefully Level42 still has copies of them.
Scott
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 23, 2021, 11:42:34 pm
So why wouldn't it be Scott who can pull that up almost immediately of course?!
:lol
Thank you kind sir. :cheers:
Now that I see it again, I had found the last one you note (from a fan of one of my favorite bands I imagine) and also found the lack of pics disheartening.
If I get to build all the machines I would like to at this point it will require an outbuilding to house them all !
Post by: Zebidee on February 24, 2021, 07:48:50 am
...So with that on mind, it is best to do the dangerous things like tablesaws, and routers early in the day before you get really tired...Safety first.Same here. I try to get my tablesaw and router work finished by 9am
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 24, 2021, 12:27:31 pm
...So with that on mind, it is best to do the dangerous things like tablesaws, and routers early in the day before you get really tired...Safety first.Same here. I try to get my tablesaw and router work finished by 9am
I have so much crap going on that needs to happen while the sun is up that I rarely get to begin working on arcade fun until after 8 pm!
:lol
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 24, 2021, 04:33:14 pm
At this point I only (only- haha!) have two Rush 2049 sit down cabs (one completely disassembled because it was thrashed and the other in one piece but plays blind currently) and 3 other scratch builds in various states of completeness.
That modest amount consumes all free time as it is!!
:o
Post by: Zebidee on February 24, 2021, 05:24:34 pm
Having said that, The Lab is a fkn mess and busy trying to clean and sort ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out again, now that earlier mentioned carpenter has finally re-made the shelves I actually asked him to make (smaller, shorter, simpler, no filling at back, fits in closet!).
Chippie tried to price-in the extra work he'd done (knew he would), but I said NO and just gave him fair price for what I ordered. I moan about this guy's inability to follow a plan, but appreciate his ability to eyeball something simple and pump it out. So I've got him making wooden toilet roll holders now (we have 10 bathrooms here).
And I DO appreciate the shelves. Stacking stuff in there now, claiming the floor of The Lab back.
Post by: Zebidee on February 24, 2021, 05:49:37 pm
IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE !!!!...lol...All that extra floor space, Little jelious.
"So, come up to The Lab... and see what's on the Slab. I see you quiver with antici..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0QB61Blcgg
Post by: Zebidee on February 24, 2021, 07:08:53 pm
EDIT: just as I was thinking that my eyes randomly sat on a random plastic bag on another shelf. The coil!
The new coil isn't original, so see how that goes. Original part is rare as hen's teeth, just buy a new brushcutter. Now, I've played with motors a lot and I could try to fit it myself, can't be that hard... or I could take it into town and the guy there will do it for me for <$10. I'm thinking to let the guy do it for me because he'll have experience as well.
So when it comes to choices I'm not so sure. In Australia I'd do it myself, costs too much to take it to the shop. Shop guy too expensive, I would gain some experience. But in Thailand where the labour cost is low is not so clear, choice is more like 50/50.
Post by: Zebidee on February 24, 2021, 08:06:56 pm
You are quite right that experience does not necessarily equate to quality. I see bodgy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- all the time. Take this brushcutter for example, one time I took it to that shop for some work, used it for 45 minutes and had to stop because the housing was falling off. They hadn't done the screws up properly, they came loose and dropped off behind me. As you can imagine, finding three missing screws in several hundred square meters of freshly-cut formerly 60cm+ grass was a challenge. We found two.
Post by: bobbyb13 on February 25, 2021, 12:22:50 am
The labour quote <$10 isn't cheap, fair priced. Local economy. They do this kind of stuff all day. If I was paying more I'd be getting ripped off.
You are quite right that experience does not necessarily equate to quality. I see bodgy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- all the time. Take this brushcutter for example, one time I took it to that shop for some work, used it for 45 minutes and had to stop because the housing was falling off. They hadn't done the screws up properly, they came loose and dropped off behind me. As you can imagine, finding three missing screws in several hundred square meters of freshly-cut formerly 60cm+ grass was a challenge. We found two.
I hesitate to let ANYone touch most of my stuff at this point.
And it's not that I believe I am the best at anything or that I am super cheap or a control freak either.
It used to be that I was too broke to be able to afford most repair and maintenance work.
Hence the jack of many trades, master of none thing.
Now it is more that Hawai'i is rife with incompetence I suppose, and that I value what stuff I have presently.
Post by: Mike A on March 04, 2021, 12:58:39 pm
What is the purpose of posting the fact that you are not going to post?
Post by: pbj on March 04, 2021, 01:38:25 pm
Post by: yotsuya on March 04, 2021, 01:43:59 pm
I’ll donate $10 to charity if she actually posts pics of this project. You choose the one, Jennifer.I’ll do the same.
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Post by: opt2not on March 04, 2021, 01:46:38 pm
Because that makes much more sense than just posting some pics to shut up anyone who doubts you.
What is the purpose of posting the fact that you are not going to post?
It’s because he/she craves the attention.
Post by: Mike A on March 04, 2021, 02:07:04 pm
How long do we have to put up with this?
Post by: pbj on March 04, 2021, 02:08:55 pm
:cheers:
Post by: opt2not on March 04, 2021, 02:09:42 pm
Post by: Zebidee on March 04, 2021, 04:48:38 pm
It has been brought to my attention in recent days, some around here think Jennifer is ridiculous and doesn't even have any games at all or whatever, (Yes I don't get it either) However that creates a problem...The Templates for the Star Wars cockpit showed up today, hot off the press, And I was getting really excited to do a build thread on this, however...It is not going to be documented here at the BYOAC, in fact the 27" color vector part of it either, That has already been moved to a private build group. Sorry guys, I am just as disappointed...This one is just for the girls.
Nevermind the under bridge-dwellers. Planning to commercialize?
Post by: opt2not on March 04, 2021, 04:55:04 pm
Pop another oxycontin, Jenny.
Post by: yotsuya on March 04, 2021, 05:24:43 pm
No, it is because some around here were interested in it, Just wanted to give the update now that the Templates arrived.So document your build here. Why do you care what people think? If anything, documenting your build will answer their questions.
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Post by: yotsuya on March 04, 2021, 09:25:02 pm
That's quite true, and in the case PBJ, he even was helpful in my last build.We’re ALL helpful. Rebuilding a Star Wars cockpit would be awesome. We’d all like to see it.
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Post by: pbj on March 05, 2021, 12:14:33 am
:cheers:
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 05, 2021, 01:16:35 am
Post by: Zebidee on March 05, 2021, 04:05:35 am
Post by: Mike A on March 05, 2021, 10:04:54 am
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66626.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66626.0)
This guy did it. The pics might be helpful.
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/reproduction-starwars-cockpit-cabinets-in-plywood.480340/ (https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/reproduction-starwars-cockpit-cabinets-in-plywood.480340/)
This is a deconversion, but there are a lot of pics that would be helpful.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=84838.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=84838.0)
Post by: Arroyo on March 05, 2021, 11:22:35 am
https://www.classicarcadecabinets.com/star-wars-cockpit.html
Post by: lilshawn on March 05, 2021, 04:01:47 pm
I am not a rich girl
hey, is this you?
But ya, lot of stuff, not cheap.
Oh and on a unrelated note...A new stove
this workbench upgrade alone is coming up on 16k this year
The Fluke project was at around 8k, Lotta money all at once for this chick, But sold off some extra stuff and got it down to 3.5k
After some thought, This one seems a good value vs options and should be good enough for what Jenn does.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=163889.0;attach=385867;image)
Post by: Mike A on March 05, 2021, 04:43:29 pm
Post by: Mike A on March 05, 2021, 04:54:22 pm
Post by: Mike A on March 05, 2021, 05:05:50 pm
Post by: yotsuya on March 05, 2021, 05:23:10 pm
Not all of them I guess but a few...Heh, I used to have a sit down Maximum Speed.
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Post by: bobbyb13 on March 05, 2021, 08:41:05 pm
This one we couldn't agree on so I still, have it...
I SOOOoooo want a real pinball machine someday...
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 06, 2021, 01:48:40 am
I imagine it was a 60s era machine, all analog, space theme and just really fun to play.
Remember it being fun to open the coin door and flick the wire for credits to play it.
I will have one here at some point- but they are really hard to find out here
Post by: Zebidee on March 06, 2021, 10:24:01 am
I too share Bobby's pinball envy. But I also understand the principle of you can't just buy one - and I'd need a new shed to put them in!
When I was a kid we were on a farm and pinballs were all far away. So we made our own! We would use marbles, a bit of wood offcut, some nails and rubber bands for bumpers, and a couple more little bits of wood for flippers. Lots of fun but keeping score was difficult!
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 07, 2021, 01:05:29 pm
It's always funny to me in how many instances there are discussions around here that may as well be written in chinese
:laugh2:
Post by: Zebidee on March 07, 2021, 06:48:33 pm
I have been experimenting on running a 27" tube off a Mallory ignition coil and relay...I AM NOT DEAD, but damn the bites hard, not recommended so far.. Seriously considering the Opt2Not theory that I am just a ridiculous clown...
Huh!? Nihaw (Chinese for hello)? I think I need a translator! Anyone got a babel fish handy?
Are you experimenting with new ways to make zaps and explosions?
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 08, 2021, 04:34:57 am
Using hotrod parts to fire up a TV tube?!
I imagine that I don't need to tell you that your standard ignition coil for an old muscle car can blast potentially fatal shots of juice there missy
:blowup:
Post by: Mike A on March 08, 2021, 09:32:15 am
10 dollars cash in hand.
Post by: opt2not on March 08, 2021, 04:56:28 pm
I have been experimenting on running a 27" tube off a Mallory ignition coil and relay...I AM NOT DEAD, but damn the bites hard, not recommended so far.. Seriously considering the Opt2Not theory that I am just a ridiculous clown...
Huh!? Nihaw (Chinese for hello)? I think I need a translator! Anyone got a babel fish handy?
Are you experimenting with new ways to make zaps and explosions?
Oh Jennifer is mentioning me. good to know. I've put her on my ignore list, so I don't get any of these messages. That statement seems about right though.
Post by: Ond on March 08, 2021, 05:14:04 pm
Post by: Zebidee on March 08, 2021, 05:35:02 pm
What the hell is going on in this thread Jenn....it's a confused mess? Sorry I haven't read this all properly. Did you zap a bunch of pics?
I think this thread is just a place for Jenn to download her daily log of thoughts as she is running out of storage space. That's why she needs the HDD cloning machine.
EDIT: I may need one soon too!
Post by: Ond on March 08, 2021, 05:58:23 pm
How about you OND, What's on your mind?...What you been working on?
I still love technology (to quote Kip from Napoleon Dynamite). I'm still working on projects both arcade related and other. I'll make a deal with ya ok? here it is:
You post a pic of something you are working on now and then I'll do the same in this here thread. Lets go!
Post by: Ond on March 08, 2021, 06:31:25 pm
Aahh sneaky my good man. Currently I'm just doing boring math on a butchered star wars art file, but true to my word I will start a build thread on it when it's ready (with pics)...but since you're here, I do want to say that your work with leds has motivated me for years. Not so much as the projects, but the inspiration and thought behind them.
Hmm ok, I'll hold you to that. well here's some pics of my media server build, nearly done!:
Post by: Ond on March 08, 2021, 06:43:06 pm
Just for the record I wasn't asking for pics., just your word is gold...but HOLY COW that is nice work and does not disappoint!
Thanks, it just so happens that you have skills/knowledge I could benefit from. You have knowledge of screen printing hard surfaces which I've seen. I'd like to do the same with that project. :cheers:
Post by: Zebidee on March 08, 2021, 08:27:13 pm
I love your work, that really is art.
Q: Why are you using a HDD as your (assumed) main drive for this media server!
On other matters: I love seeing you an Jenn get together and share ideas. It stimulates my creativity :D
Post by: Ond on March 08, 2021, 09:03:26 pm
Thanks mate :D Ha ha, yes, if that was the main drive it should be questioned. The main drive is in fact a 256GB M.2 PCIe SSD mounted under the MB. That mechanical drive is storage only, 8TB of it. I'd love to use an 8TB SSD in its place, please send me the money for one if you'd like me to upgrade! ;D
I suspect Jenn's main issue with posting pics is a general lack of confidence with image processing and posting. We all have our Achilles heels, but as PBJ would say...pics or it didn't happen. Forums (and the internutz) are after all all about visuals. Text is fine until you string too much of it together, wall of post style. Damit I miss Steve :blah: :blah: :lol
@Jenn - Thanks for the tips on screen printing, all good things to consider.
Post by: Zebidee on March 09, 2021, 01:04:33 pm
That strip, (sides and back) and that sun yellow and orange right?
I'd call it more orange and red. But you've got to find shades close enough.
If you can take a decent sample of the colours down to a paint shop they should be able to zap it with a spectrum analyser thingy and help you mix the right colours.
Post by: Zebidee on March 09, 2021, 03:21:12 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 09, 2021, 04:16:30 pm
That stuff looks insane.
Surprising that it is utilizing AC!
Post by: lilshawn on March 09, 2021, 09:29:20 pm
timex indiglo watches?... EL
gameboy pocket light...EL
backlight on lots of things with LCD displays in the early 90's was EL it was cheap to implement and didn't use a ton of power. only difference here was the availability of conductive paint to create the anode and cathodes, EL material just gets sprayed in between.
Post by: Mike A on March 09, 2021, 10:09:53 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 10, 2021, 05:19:06 am
I'll try to fast track that a little, since I need to do a Marque anyway and go into a little more detail...in the meantime I don't know if you've read this whole thread but Bobby is a "Glass man ", he may be of some help building a plug for that metropolis (just saying)
I greatly appreciate your enthusiasm Jennifer but from what I have seen in various threads here I'm not sure that Ond needs my help with anything!
:lol
Post by: Zebidee on March 10, 2021, 05:48:56 am
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 06:11:06 am
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 10:36:51 am
Everything I claim is documented. People on this forum have been to my house. They have played the games that I built or fixed or bought.
You could easily prove me wrong. Just post some pics.
You said you have sold several of them. There have to be pics.
You make wild claims and have zero evidence to back any of it up.
People have been asking for some kind of proof for years.
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 11:21:55 am
Your act has been exposed.
Post by: yotsuya on March 10, 2021, 11:33:58 am
Says the guy that can't even weld...I can’t weld either, yet I’ve won awards for my cabs, both here and in real life. So I fail to see what that has to do with anything.
I don’t think Mike is asking for anything unreasonable. One picture of one restored cab that you’ve done. I believe you, Jen, and I know that you’re talented, but I think you should back up your claims with at least one piece of proof. Can’t you see that by being elusive, you’re sowing seeds of doubt?
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Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 12:08:04 pm
Post by: yotsuya on March 10, 2021, 12:13:20 pm
Well secretly Yots you don't need to weld to build a nice cab, but this is the 21 century. Metal offers quite a bit in weight/strength...as for Mike, let him eat cake.Oh, trust me, I’d love to weld. It’s kind of next on my skills to pick up list.
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Post by: Gilrock on March 10, 2021, 12:48:49 pm
http://www.threebuttes.com/Observatory.htm (http://www.threebuttes.com/Observatory.htm)
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 12:56:24 pm
We can build a gokart. You can help me weld up the frame.
I am not a hunter but we can go to the range and shoot with my SOCOM16.
Oh and video games and beer.
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 01:02:28 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 10, 2021, 01:05:43 pm
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap020318.html (https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap020318.html)
http://www.threebuttes.com/Ikeya_Zhang_3_11_02.htm (http://www.threebuttes.com/Ikeya_Zhang_3_11_02.htm)
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 01:17:32 pm
You are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Post by: yotsuya on March 10, 2021, 01:47:31 pm
At least I do stuff, not make her friends do it for her...Want to play with Jennifer? You just might want to up your game some.Mike doesn’t make his friends do anything. Mike’s friends want to do things with him. There’s a big difference.
C’mon Jenn, don’t revert back to this version of you.
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Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 01:49:53 pm
Then have a million excuses why there are no pics.
I have posted tons of stuff that I have done.
It is sad that you think having friends and working with them is a bad thing.
If upping my game means lying on the internet then I will pass.
Post by: Gilrock on March 10, 2021, 02:43:00 pm
Post by: Ond on March 10, 2021, 03:36:32 pm
Post by: yotsuya on March 10, 2021, 03:58:28 pm
Fee fi fo fum...hey Mike, come ride Jennifer's pirate ship...you can drink rum till you vomit, and pee in your pants(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0HlFDXZ6YnpLAZ6E/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 04:02:47 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 10, 2021, 04:04:48 pm
Post by: yotsuya on March 10, 2021, 04:06:43 pm
If Mike does come over can you take a few pics? :)(https://media0.giphy.com/media/FooBosYpWLGGA/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Zebidee on March 10, 2021, 04:13:56 pm
Fee fi fo fum...hey Mike, come ride Jennifer's pirate ship...you can drink rum till you vomit, and pee in your pants(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0HlFDXZ6YnpLAZ6E/giphy.gif)
I thought she was just being creative and funny, but this gif makes if weird
Post by: Zebidee on March 10, 2021, 04:23:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGC-lvCWsrM
Post by: yotsuya on March 10, 2021, 04:34:55 pm
Oh, it was weird a long time before I posted that gif. :)Fee fi fo fum...hey Mike, come ride Jennifer's pirate ship...you can drink rum till you vomit, and pee in your pants(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0HlFDXZ6YnpLAZ6E/giphy.gif)
I thought she was just being creative and funny, but this gif makes if weird
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Post by: Zebidee on March 10, 2021, 04:55:53 pm
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2021, 11:23:17 pm
Post by: Zebidee on March 10, 2021, 11:50:47 pm
Post by: Mike A on March 11, 2021, 04:46:31 am
22k? You keep saying you are not rich.
Regular people don't have that kind of money to throw at an arcade cab.
Show us some pics or shut up.
Post by: Mike A on March 11, 2021, 05:59:45 am
Post by: Mike A on March 11, 2021, 09:20:14 am
This is beyond ridiculous now.
You are a clown.
Post by: Mike A on March 11, 2021, 10:49:14 am
Post by: bperkins01 on March 11, 2021, 11:05:56 am
This project has been in the works for years, not months...It has only recently been talked about, When you spay paint that is 100.00/Oz, It needs to be done once, and with foresight...But you wouldn't know that, If you ever have built anything, you probably just stole the idea from Tully...😘
$100 an oz?
Gold paint?
You understand why many are skeptical... don't you?
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 12:46:02 pm
You have had literally nothing to contribute to the conception of this build, You actually even sound offended to even have to hear about the fact I am going to build it, This months mail pile is dedicated primarily to this build ..You want pics, You trained chimp?...Pound sand Pal, Build your own.
Which build? This thread has been a rambling of like 8 different projects. lol
You already showed us the pile of mail in post #327 and with the address on that mail I gotta call you Jackie now... :)
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 01:19:18 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 01:34:34 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 01:47:32 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 01:52:48 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 02:00:04 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 02:01:22 pm
https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/06/03/cinematronics-sundance/ (https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/06/03/cinematronics-sundance/)
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 06:16:16 pm
Post by: Gilrock on March 11, 2021, 06:28:18 pm
Post by: Mike A on March 11, 2021, 07:59:26 pm
No pics.
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 12, 2021, 01:15:28 am
Here's the story if nobody gets that joke:
https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/06/03/cinematronics-sundance/ (https://arcadeblogger.com/2016/06/03/cinematronics-sundance/)
I had heard about this cabinet!
Never knew the whole story though, so thanks for that link Gilrock.
But other than that, and I truly am sorry Jennifer, this thread has become exhausting.
And I have been told on numerous occassions that I am fairly patient.
Post by: Zebidee on March 12, 2021, 02:44:09 am
But other than that, and I truly am sorry Jennifer, this thread has become exhausting.
And I have been told on numerous occassions that I am fairly patient.
"Exhausting", yes a good word. Another good word is "toxic".
Post by: Mike A on March 12, 2021, 11:08:48 pm
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 13, 2021, 03:07:34 am
Nobody believes you.After some thought...I dont think that's true, I think that's just you
Maybe saying NOBODY isn't accurate-
And bear in mind, I have no dog in this fight to begin with, still consider myself a noob, and have no interest in ruffling feathers anywhere, but...
Aren't pictures of projects posted here of benefit to the community as a whole and therefore a desirable thing? Maybe even a necessary thing to consider oneself a real contributor to this community?
Stream of consciousness ideas are great seeds of course, but Kafka never built an arcade cabinet.
Jennifer, I don't doubt that you have numerous skills here, and one could think that maybe you don't post details of builds in process (including pictures) because you enjoy the resulting banter- but it too often becomes vitriol.
More sadly, and I don't know the entire history of it, but you may not recognize that you are the only one I ever see resorts to actually personally attacking anyone- with name calling and insults to other people's skills (or masculinity even.)
Any history or other details aside, it is still not behaviour befitting a princess.
I would prefer to see work I would be inspired by rather than an exhausting thread I would at this point prefer to see off my new replies list.
Post by: Zebidee on March 13, 2021, 03:15:52 am
Post by: Mike A on March 13, 2021, 09:49:18 am
Show us the preliminary drawings for this new twenty thousand dollar cab you are working on. Show us a pic on the one hundred cabs you own. Show us one pic of the two hundred cabs you used to own. It would be so easy to shut me up if you are telling the truth.
You obviously have skills and some of the stuff you say implies knowledge.
The problem is you make wild baseless claims.
Calling me names and saying dumb stuff about me that I easily counter with photographic and eye witness evidence does not help your case.
Just be honest about what you are really doing. Your are a negative to this community when you could easily be a positive with the stuff you know. Just stop the ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.
Post by: Mike A on March 13, 2021, 10:22:01 am
I have done work for forum members.
It is mostly documented here.
Post by: Mike A on March 13, 2021, 10:22:31 am
You have some serious issues you need to work through.
Post by: Mike A on March 13, 2021, 10:27:23 am
I pics of it all over the forum. People play it every week.
There are forum members who played it.
I am still waiting for my custom artwork. The artist has been very busy. So I have a temporary control panel on it so people can use it while I am waiting for the art package to come.
Post by: Mike A on March 13, 2021, 10:29:45 am
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Post by: yotsuya on March 13, 2021, 12:31:38 pm
I think Jennifer needs a timeout from the mods until she stops lying about me. Unless she can show me where I built a Tully. Or prove her crazy theory that I don't post pics of my work. This has gone on long enough.When newer members like Bobby can tactfully point out that she attacks people personally all the time, and she responds by attacking him, and in another thread a mod jumped into a conversation and actively defended her, yeah, I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Mike, I’d suggest just leaving this thread. Obviously she’s not going to post any photos, as easy as it would it would be, so this back-and-forth is just becoming tiresome and a waste of everyone’s time. You got better things to do with your time, I want to see that Star Trek captains chair in it’s full glory. Plus, don’t you need to learn how to go weld?
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Post by: Mike A on March 13, 2021, 12:36:29 pm
She wrecks the credibility of this place with her wild claims.
She should not be allowed to slander or libel, whichever applies, another forum member repeatedly. If her criticisms were truthful I would not care.
Post by: bobbyb13 on March 13, 2021, 12:56:03 pm
I think Jennifer needs a timeout from the mods until she stops lying about me. Unless she can show me where I built a Tully. Or prove her crazy theory that I don't post pics of my work. This has gone on long enough.When newer members like Bobby can tactfully point out that she attacks people personally all the time, and she responds by attacking him, and in another thread a mod jumped into a conversation and actively defended her, yeah, I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Mike, I’d suggest just leaving this thread. Obviously she’s not going to post any photos, as easy as it would it would be, so this back-and-forth is just becoming tiresome and a waste of everyone’s time. You got better things to do with your time, I want to see that Star Trek captains chair in it’s full glory. Plus, don’t you need to learn how to go weld?
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Um, yeah.
Appreciate that yotsuya.
I'm checking out of Jennifer's threads.
Look forward to seeing everybody else elsewhere though!
Post by: Gilrock on March 18, 2021, 01:20:52 pm
It's just too pricey for me to use on an arcade machine. It would be fun to put on a car and control it with my Christmas light show. I have a EE degree so I understand the concept. And it is interesting enough I looked it up here:
https://support.lumilor.com/en/article/busbar-application (https://support.lumilor.com/en/article/busbar-application)
Post by: yotsuya on March 19, 2021, 06:21:56 pm
While standing at the welder supply, buying stuff Mike has probably never even seen...I have come to the conclusion a build thread of this nature would serve little purpose at the BYOAC, and Jenn won't be doing it here...Sorry to those who tried to help.That’s silly, I know I was inspired to tackle painting and restoration by some of the posts that people before me made whose skill sets were way greater than mine at the time. I personally learned a lot from Spyridon’s threads in particular.
If you’re showing us stuff we’ve never done, don’t you think that would pique curiosity and maybe, just maybe, get other people interested in learning the skill set? I wouldn’t be able to paint, woodwork, burn ROMs, etc if people before me didn’t document it and show how doable it really was. Hell, when I came to this site I was totally prepared to buy an X-Arcade Tankstick because I thought I could not do control panel wiring. It’s second nature now.
I mean, if you don’t wanna document it, just say so. If you don’t want to share it, then don’t. Stop teasing it.
And stop bringing up Mike. Otherwise you do have issues.
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Post by: Zebidee on March 25, 2021, 03:44:14 am
Well finally I got it down to the 10k mark, which wasn't easy since this is a three piece cab...Although that diddnt come without sacrifice, The Star Wars had a 25" monitor, so rather than the 27" I will just keep it simple...But great news on that front, Jenn has secured a color XY kit, and the experimental factor is out the window since that will drive a smaller tube just fine, (quite exciting), all I have to do basically is spin a new yoke...The templates/prints are in at 1.1k, not happy about that but it is what it is, And the wing struts may be eliminated, still thinking on that...Epoxy ordered, Probibally start in a couple weeks or so.
Start a new thread when you do :pics Will follow closely :D
Post by: yotsuya on March 27, 2021, 02:04:13 pm
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Post by: Zebidee on March 28, 2021, 02:46:59 am
...Just ordered materials for the resin infusion (red Kevlar, ...
Are you making it non-stick
Post by: Zebidee on March 28, 2021, 03:01:20 am
Red Kevlar is a special order very specific color with a 500ft min order, but I got really lucky and got 5 yards.
In my best Texas Ranger accent "Looks like the end of the roll for you, Lady!"
Post by: Zebidee on April 04, 2021, 11:41:58 pm
Size does matter, so I'm making a minicab for my wife who is only 140cm tall. Unsure whether to base the art on Puzzle Bobble, Tetris or Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon. Hmmm.
Post by: lilshawn on April 08, 2021, 03:46:40 pm
I have some damaged aluminum car wheels that had some minor cosmetic damage. Factory, they come painted... overtop of what seems to be a fairly thick plastic coating to help smooth things out. (It definitely plastic cause if you burn the material that comes off it, it smells like ABS plastic)
Anywho, I sanded up one of the wheels and smoothed it out as a tester, sprayed it with a rattlecan primer and while it was setting up I read the directions to see how long to wait and whatnot and found out I chose an oil based primer. My final color will be a acrilic based paint.
So, my question is... Oil based should stick okay to this weird plastic stuff (I didn't have any fisheye happen in area where I sanded through the paint to the plastic... so I'm guessing it sticks okay to the weird plastic) but I'm worked about it peeling off later.
And also, my color coat is an "acrylic enamel" paint. How is this going to stick to the primer? Most of the stuff I can find online are sketch.
I assume since it's a plastic based paint, and the primer seems to stick to the weird plastic okay, I assume it should take.
Just don't want to get elbow deep in a horse to find out I'm supposed to be elbow deep in a cow.
Post by: Zebidee on April 08, 2021, 10:16:19 pm
I once cleaned bathroom in a rental flat and the paint came straight off (sponge and soapy water!). When I moved out not long after, landlord tried to sting my bond for the paint in the bathroom. I just said to him "You painted acrylic over oil - NO NO. Gimme my money back".
Post by: lilshawn on April 09, 2021, 11:21:48 am
I'll pick up a different primer to use. the company that makes the color paint says their color paint can be applied over lacquer just fine....so I dunno.
I'll see if I can find one of those adhesion promoter primers. That should be able to cover all the bases and still have paint compatibility.
I'll shoot some pics and turd up the thread for old times sake/bad reminders of doing wheel work once I get these tires dismounted.
It's no 1970 TA but I still like my car to look good and not looking like all those tards driving around with half flaked off matte black wheels.
I wanged a monster pothole a long while back and taco'd the edge of a wheel (completely unrepairable, but still held air.) Dodge wanted over 1000 canuckstani kopeks for a replacement special order wheel so I said let'er buck, it'll either kill me or be okay.
I recently had been given 2 wheels of the same type with some minor cosmetic scrapes after a friend with the same car boned a barricade in the wintertime and insurance bought him 4 new ones, (they discontinued the car in 2017 and that style is now NLA) so I'll clean these up since they only have minor curb rash and give them a shot of paint and I'll be good as new.
Thanks for the info folks
Post by: lilshawn on April 09, 2021, 05:44:42 pm
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Post by: yotsuya on April 14, 2021, 09:16:11 pm
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Post by: lilshawn on April 15, 2021, 07:33:13 pm
*tinfoil hat*
Post by: Malenko on April 15, 2021, 08:01:37 pm
Why did you go back and zero out your posts?
PBJ and or Chance are her heroes?
Post by: pbj on April 15, 2021, 08:21:59 pm
Post by: Malenko on April 16, 2021, 10:39:20 am
What, no Tully? Cmon, man.
Tully was awesome, so wouldn't be any fun to lump you in with him.
Post by: yotsuya on April 16, 2021, 05:39:35 pm
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Post by: pbj on April 16, 2021, 06:06:56 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Mike A on April 16, 2021, 08:05:15 pm
What the ---fudgesicle--- is wrong with you?
Post by: Ond on April 16, 2021, 08:43:42 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 16, 2021, 08:49:51 pm
That is not okay.
And she has been mocking me for months. I left the forum for 2 months and she continued to mock me.
So I like you Ond, but she dishes it out constantly. Maybe you should have a talk with her.
Post by: Ond on April 16, 2021, 09:11:17 pm
Sorry Ond. She is hacking up a rare classic cabinet.
That is not okay.
And she has been mocking me for months. I left the forum for 2 months and she continued to mock me.
So I like you Ond, but she dishes it out constantly. Maybe you should have a talk with her.
I know Mike, if you've read my posts you know I don't like hacking cabs either especially not rarer ones, I know she continues to take pot shots at you. I'm going to ask you again Jenn, please just post your work and maybe leave out the mocking? You can ignore me and continue on in the same way but what is the point? I get it, you're a free spirit and no ones going to tell you what to do. I wouldn't even bother posting if I wasn't genuinely interested in your projects.
Post by: yotsuya on April 16, 2021, 09:29:43 pm
I wish that was only 20 bucks worth of steel, Try two hundred, Guessing you don't buy steel or weld either there Jim (Go buy a welderI thought the whole point was to share your projects because you want to teach others? I’ve been following your posts because I’m interested in what you’re building. But you’re just zeroing out your posts for no reason, with no apparent trigger.), The aluminum sub frame hopefully will set off the weight/strength numbers...Chopping up that new (working) Red Baron for parts is going to break my heart however, Such a little cutie, and makes me really sad to know her fate...As for zeroing out my posts, well don't worry about it I guess I just won't bother posting updates at all then...Problem solved.
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Post by: pbj on April 16, 2021, 09:40:39 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Ond on April 16, 2021, 09:48:29 pm
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Post by: yotsuya on April 16, 2021, 10:02:33 pm
No apparent trigger ^She’s been deleting those posts for the last few days. Look at the time stamps. PBJ had nothing to do with it. He’s reacting to what she did, not the other way around.
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Post by: Ond on April 16, 2021, 10:35:18 pm
Don't defend obvious provocation, it insults my intelligence. Jenn deleting her own ramblings with almost no visual context is not much to "follow". I guess expecting something a bit higher of BYOAC is just me being ignorant.
Well, go to it then.
Post by: pbj on April 16, 2021, 10:39:32 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Mike A on April 16, 2021, 10:46:48 pm
She shits on other people all of the time.
She brags about hugely expensive projects and refuses to share any details or pictures.
You can't come back in here act all righteous after all of that.
We are sick of the lies.
Maybe your intelligence should be insulted by that.
I like you Ond, but there is a reason people are on her. We are tired of her crazy ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.
Post by: yotsuya on April 16, 2021, 10:57:56 pm
Time stamps? *sigh* So, I asked if perhaps folks could lay off Jenn. I then asked if perhaps Jenn could be mindful of provocation as well. And then PBJ posts provocation. Was he posting a comment about post deletion? No. Just the same old ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. But that's OK cos PBJ gotta PBJ right?With all due respect, you’re off base. She started deleting posts on the 13th for no apparent reason.
Don't defend obvious provocation, it insults my intelligence. Jenn deleting her own ramblings with almost no visual context is not much to "follow". I guess expecting something a bit higher of BYOAC is just me being ignorant.
Well, go to it then.
No one did or said anything to cause her to behave like that. I’m just trying to figure out why she’s acting that way. Her deleting posts two days ago and Jim saying something today have nothing to do with each other. And quite frankly I find her deleting posts like that to be just as obnoxious behavior.
I too have higher expectations for the way people are here at BYOAC. Jennifer is a grown woman. She knows what she’s doing.
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Post by: yotsuya on April 16, 2021, 11:23:02 pm
The reason for the nuke is Mike the troll (not Pbj)...Wild claims?, big ideas? 100 machines where? What post was that?..I could prove them wrong with the click of the camera, but I won't, I will not be bullied into it...I share because it is fun and I owe them NOTHING!But Mike said nothing on the 13th. You even erased the helpful advice you gave Lilshawn the other day. You just started deleting posts for no reason. Mike had nothing to do with that. He’s just a convenient excuse.
I had been following this thread with interest, because I like learning new things and I was interested in seeing what you were going to make. But I think I’ll bow out as well, because quite frankly I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish here with the thread.
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Post by: Ond on April 16, 2021, 11:33:17 pm
The reason for the nuke is Mike the troll (not Pbj)...Wild claims?, big ideas? 100 machines where? What post was that?..I could prove them wrong with the click of the camera, but I won't, I will not be bullied into it...I share because it is fun and I owe them NOTHING!
I'm not bullying you. I'm asking you. You are sabotaging your posts because of a feud with Mike. let it go. In fact, so long as you persist in childishness, I will continue to respectfully ask you to contribute to the forum in a normal fashion.
Post by: Mike A on April 17, 2021, 07:52:46 am
Post by: Mike A on April 17, 2021, 11:56:16 am
She can't help herself.
Post by: jennifer on April 17, 2021, 12:18:40 pm
There it is again.There it is what?...I won't be bullied into giving you pics as some kind if ego trip.
She can't help herself.
Post by: Mike A on April 17, 2021, 12:56:57 pm
You went on another rant insisting that I never do any arcade work. And then you deleted it.
I didn't ask for pics this time.
Post by: jennifer on April 17, 2021, 01:12:55 pm
Post by: yotsuya on April 17, 2021, 07:13:52 pm
True, you diddnt, and I will stop nuking posts, Enough damage has been done as project "Scorched Earth"...Nice job on that C/p Mike, Gotta love new steelI miss having a plasma CNC do the square holes for me!, Those square holes are drilled with a rotary broach nowadays, little spendy at around 350.00 for the holder, and 60.00 bits...But money well spent if you plan to do alot of it... (Imo)
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Post by: jennifer on April 17, 2021, 10:24:14 pm
Post by: yotsuya on April 17, 2021, 10:41:37 pm
I have never even seen a CNC plasma much less ever used one, we used a punch press back in the day, Square holes are not as easy to make nice as some may think...Well today, I ran into my first miscalculation, about 1/8" off from Square, (wing strut) I can fix this, but it would have been better not to, Obviously...It is easier to finish shaping all the parts before final assembly.Are those solid pieces or hollow?
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Post by: Vigo on April 17, 2021, 10:44:42 pm
True, you diddnt, and I will stop nuking posts, Enough damage has been done as project "Scorched Earth"...Nice job on that C/p Mike, Gotta love new steelI miss having a plasma CNC do the square holes for me!
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Get that MPCNC going ;D ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siJPmzG_pRU&t=11s
(By the way kids, never film plasma cutting or welding without an ND filter on the camera. Photo sensors can burn out just like your retinas.)
Post by: yotsuya on April 17, 2021, 10:45:16 pm
Oh HELL YEAH!!!!!!True, you diddnt, and I will stop nuking posts, Enough damage has been done as project "Scorched Earth"...Nice job on that C/p Mike, Gotta love new steelI miss having a plasma CNC do the square holes for me!
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Get that MPCNC going ;D ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siJPmzG_pRU&t=11s
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Post by: Zebidee on April 18, 2021, 02:28:37 am
Post by: Vigo on April 18, 2021, 02:21:31 pm
Post by: Ropi Jo on April 18, 2021, 04:07:57 pm
I ditched the arc welder and now have a flux cored. I'm getting better having watched many youtube vids for tips.
I need to get good enough for a project waiting to start... a narrow hoist (like an engine hoist) that will go though a normal doorway and will lift around a ton to 4 feet height.
I'm definitely not nearly good enough yet. I need Jenn to fly over to the UK and 'metal-glue' it together for me!
Post by: Zebidee on April 19, 2021, 12:06:32 am
I sometimes want to do a bit of welding here or there, but not much. Joining a piano hinge onto the bottom of a metal control panel is top of my list (so you can unhook from inside/below then swing control panel out for servicing). Weld would be on the inside so out-of-sight. Guess arc because it is cheapest/easiest, even if it isn't the prettiest. I won't be welding any visible joints for a while anyway.
Post by: jennifer on April 19, 2021, 12:49:19 am
Post by: Zebidee on April 19, 2021, 03:44:30 am
Local tradies mostly can't follow a plan and that limits what they can do. For example local carpenters. I've been burned by them many times before. I still use them, but I keep it to basic stuff I know they are capable of, and keep a close eye. They usually better at following pictures. We still have a shitload of nice hardwood to use up before the termites and rot set in, would rather it be stools, tables and toilet roll holders something.
Post by: jennifer on April 21, 2021, 01:59:18 am
Post by: lilshawn on April 21, 2021, 08:45:49 pm
This being laid off for a year thing has changed me.
Post by: jennifer on April 22, 2021, 01:27:03 am
Post by: Zebidee on April 22, 2021, 01:54:31 am
I find that incredibly bizarre, "Can't follow a plan?" Where I come from it is be good at what you do or don't eat.
Our home internet has been down for 3 days.
I am constantly disappointed when I apply Australian expectations of tradies in rural Thailand. Summarise it as I have to become an expert at almost everything, so that I can either properly supervise them doing it, or even teach them how to do it.
Post by: yotsuya on April 22, 2021, 05:11:59 pm
I guess everyone did put Jennifer on ignore...That seems most unfortunate.Just keep posting, don’t worry about comments - doesn’t mean you’re being ignored, just means we got nothing to add!
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Post by: Mike A on April 22, 2021, 07:29:31 pm
Calling it the China virus has led to a lot of violence.
Please be less ignorant.
Post by: SirPeale on April 22, 2021, 07:44:03 pm
It came from a lab in China...What do you call it?
Covid-19. Please edit your post. Or...I will.
Post by: Zebidee on April 22, 2021, 07:47:10 pm
Oh I so am not buying that, Everyone has something to add in thier own way, Even something seemingly trivial may trigger a brilliant idea in somebody else...I have noticed recently however, few people have been upgrading there work areas and seem to be shopping more at Harbor Freight, for disposable tooling...The economy could be to blame, one might think, But a more disturbing thought would be building cabs may be phasing out as a hobby all together, And the longer this goes on the smaller the skills pool gets...Totally Jurassic park sideshows are we.😒
I only post if I feel I can add something useful. There, I thought that comment was useful.
Skills atrophy at a society level is inevitable because as we become more specialised in what we do, we lose essential practical everyday skills. The smaller number of people that still do those practical skills become more valuable and even more specialised as they upskill (which explains why, in advanced economies, tradies cost so much these days).
You can probably tell that I trained at college as an economist and not as a carpenter :P
Building cabs will inevitably wane as a hobby because the new generation of retrogamers grew up more with consoles and handheld games rather than arcade cabinets. For it to thrive you need relatively young, enthusiastic people with money in their pockets and time in their schedules. The number of such people in this hobby is in decline. The arcade golden age has long gone, replaced with a long sunset. The people that remember it well are mostly in their 50's or higher now.
Building cabs will always be a thing, just not as big a thing as it used to be.
Post by: Mike A on April 22, 2021, 07:49:12 pm
There are numerous accounts of violence on people of Asian descent because of talk like this.
She is openly defiant about it.
Post by: Zebidee on April 22, 2021, 07:51:12 pm
It came from a lab in China, What am I sposed to call it?
Nobody is really sure exactly where it came from. You are just stoking hate
Post by: opt2not on April 22, 2021, 08:00:05 pm
It came from a lab in China...What do you call it?
Covid-19. Please edit your post. Or...I will.
Honestly, how many chances can you guys give a person to clean up their acts?
Ban please. Enough is enough.
Post by: saint on April 22, 2021, 08:31:20 pm
Thanks.
/itchy-ban-finger
Post by: jennifer on April 22, 2021, 08:39:43 pm
Post by: SirPeale on April 22, 2021, 08:59:03 pm
Crickets, you know you done bad when you get ME to tag in. Sheesh.
Post by: yotsuya on April 22, 2021, 09:33:46 pm
Well, that escalated quickly. Jennifer has earned themselves a permanent vacation.I know, hope you’ve been well! Long time no see!
Crickets, you know you done bad when you get ME to tag in. Sheesh.
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Post by: opt2not on April 22, 2021, 10:36:12 pm
It's been a while since I've read one of your posts that wasn't from old threads I'm obsessed with!
:cheers:
Post by: pbj on April 22, 2021, 11:10:57 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Vigo on April 23, 2021, 02:44:06 am
Thanks for letting me speak my peace. Carry on. :cheers:
Post by: Zebidee on April 23, 2021, 02:46:42 am
Well, that escalated quickly. Jennifer has earned themselves a permanent vacation.
Crickets, you know you done bad when you get ME to tag in. Sheesh.
Thanks for that. I wanted to be on Jenn's side, I really did. But I've never cared for sides, and they don't really matter when it comes to this.
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2021, 05:05:19 am
She is what she is.
Letting it go just allows her to keep spewing hate.
There are some things in life that are worth fighting against.
This is one of them. She said what she said and then she was willing to torpedo her membership here to defend those statements. She was given the chance to retract those statements and she just spewed more hate.
She is definitely a racist.
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2021, 05:43:25 am
She wasn't telling a joke or busting balls.
The statements she was making are contributing to violence against people who are of Asian descent.
Why should we allow that to perpetuate here?
Post by: saint on April 23, 2021, 09:10:59 am
...
I don't have a deeper point to make.
Post by: Vigo on April 23, 2021, 10:29:27 am
Sorry Vigo. I respectfully disagree with you on this.
She is what she is.
Letting it go just allows her to keep spewing hate.
There are some things in life that are worth fighting against.
This is one of them. She said what she said and then she was willing to torpedo her membership here to defend those statements. She was given the chance to retract those statements and she just spewed more hate.
She is definitely a racist.
2019 Vigo would completely agree with you, Mike. 2021 Vigo just desperately wants to get the ---fudgesicle--- off this roller coaster.
I am going to admit I do not know the full context since he decided to nuke her posts, and agree that things that can offend people should be removed and honestly shouldn't have been posted to begin with. It was more than fair to ban her for not taking it down and that final comment would have sealed the deal with me, if I were the decision maker.
From what is left up, I am trying to be fair, I don't see a deliberate attempt at racism. Not saying you can't see it that way, but being matter-of-fact, China is a country, not a race. Jenn's comments, as I saw them, could have easily come from a place of geopolitical opinion, and not racial. I am a bit sensitive to that as well. My wife is Chinese, and immigrated the to US in her 20's. Even though we have got family and friends in China, you should see the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about China that comes out of my wife's mouth. They are a government that engages in a lot of terrible human rights practices. :dunno
But none of that is here or there. My whole point is calling someone racist, even if it might seem obvious from your perspective that you are defending against hate, hate isn't necessarily the motive for a comment from the other person. The minute you throw that charge out there in the open, there is no going back from it. The only reaction you are going to get in response is anger and it is going to fuel a narrative that only divides that person against the rest of us. I don't think that is a position we should be putting each other in, and something the mods can ultimately handle.
I've been doing a lot of thinking about these things in the last year (I end up needing to do that living in Minneapolis). The sister of a co-worker friend of mine had her Ethopean restaurant burnt down in the chaos. I am a bit introspective about the collateral damage issue. After a lot of thinking, I personally feel a big reason why we are where we are is as a society, is we allowed the charge of racism to be thrown around callously. Every politician accuses the other side of racism, the news is filled with stories accusing people of being racist, or throwing a racial angle on every subject. Places like Twitter are nothing but people calling each other racist, like that meme with two spidermen pointing at each other. This is pure poison, and things are not going well at all. Things are literally burning down around us.
Anyway, I have zero ill will here friend, and am not trying to single you or anyone out or anything. I know your intent is nothing but admirable and I appreciate that, really do. I am just speaking my peace in a broad sense at the state of affairs today. Everyone needs to take a step back.
It occurs to me that no one else sees the number of complaints about people for various reasons that I don't take action on, only the stuff I do finally do something about.
...
I don't have a deeper point to make.
Thanks, Saint. I appreciate this a lot. It is actually pretty comforting being at a place where the owner sees us for all our faults as human beings and gives us more chances than we likely deserve. I probably would have been out the door a long time ago myself if things were more strict. :cheers:
Post by: nitrogen_widget on April 24, 2021, 11:47:47 am
Thanks for acting. I was a bit of a boundary pusher myself in a former life but this had gone way out of hand.
:cheers:
but your shenanigans are cheeky and fun.
Post by: Malenko on April 24, 2021, 12:21:53 pm
but your shenanigans are cheeky and fun.
her shenanigans are cruel and tragic ?
Post by: lilshawn on April 24, 2021, 03:23:09 pm
this will probably be deleted and should probably be posted in pnr... but since we are airing this here....i'm in the boat that racisim is only racisim when it's meant to be racist. the whole jumping on racisim thing is getting out of hand. I feel when people jump on the "that's racist" bandwagon, they tell the people that they purport to defend that they are incapable of defending themselves in the matter. Kowtowing over it only make it worse. I suppose my use of the word "kowtowing" is being used derogatorily now??
certainly "china virus", while somewhat inaccurate, is certainly easier to remember and type than SARSCoV-2 or VUI-202012/01 or whatever the hell cryptic numbers and names scientists give things these days. but when the post was made, nobody said hey..can we just not call it china virus? (at least till whiteknights showed up then everyone bandwagon'd saying how wrong it was, including some people who never, ever posted in the thread at all) and i belive it was just said in passing and not directed at anyone in particular. while i don't think it should become a norm, something like "china virus" said in passing and not being used to direct hate towards anyone in particular is not necessarily a hate driven statement. not said in a way to direct hate towards people i mean... would someone have preferred "wuhan virus" simply because it's more accurate??
"Sucks you lost your job from the china virus, you able to get unemployment?"
is a far cry from
"your china virus made me lose my job"
we need to stop thinking everyone needs saving.
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 03:30:57 pm
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 03:36:21 pm
i dunno.
this will probably be deleted and should probably be posted in pnr... but since we are airing this here....i'm in the boat that racisim is only racisim when it's meant to be racist. the whole jumping on racisim thing is getting out of hand. I feel when people jump on the "that's racist" bandwagon, they tell the people that they purport to defend that they are incapable of defending themselves in the matter. Kowtowing over it only make it worse. I suppose my use of the word "kowtowing" is being used derogatorily now??
certainly "china virus", while somewhat inaccurate, is certainly easier to remember and type than SARSCoV-2 or VUI-202012/01 or whatever the hell cryptic numbers and names scientists give things these days. but when the post was made, nobody said hey..can we just not call it china virus? (at least till whiteknights showed up then everyone bandwagon'd saying how wrong it was, including some people who never, ever posted in the thread at all) and i belive it was just said in passing and not directed at anyone in particular. while i don't think it should become a norm, something like "china virus" said in passing and not being used to direct hate towards anyone in particular is not necessarily a hate driven statement. not said in a way to direct hate towards people i mean... would someone have preferred "wuhan virus" simply because it's more accurate??
"Sucks you lost your job from the china virus, you able to get unemployment?"
is a far cry from
"your china virus made me lose my job"
we need to stop thinking everyone needs saving.
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2021, 03:36:50 pm
i dunno.Responding with “oops, my bad” would have been the response I think 95% of us would’ve given. But doubling down with false information and then telling people to ---fudgesicle--- off I think tells you where her particular mindset was.
this will probably be deleted and should probably be posted in pnr... but since we are airing this here....i'm in the boat that racisim is only racisim when it's meant to be racist. the whole jumping on racisim thing is getting out of hand. I feel when people jump on the "that's racist" bandwagon, they tell the people that they purport to defend that they are incapable of defending themselves in the matter. Kowtowing over it only make it worse. I suppose my use of the word "kowtowing" is being used derogatorily now??
certainly "china virus", while somewhat inaccurate, is certainly easier to remember and type than SARSCoV-2 or VUI-202012/01 or whatever the hell cryptic numbers and names scientists give things these days. but when the post was made, nobody said hey..can we just not call it china virus? (at least till whiteknights showed up then everyone bandwagon'd saying how wrong it was, including some people who never, ever posted in the thread at all) and i belive it was just said in passing and not directed at anyone in particular. while i don't think it should become a norm, something like "china virus" said in passing and not being used to direct hate towards anyone in particular is not necessarily a hate driven statement. not said in a way to direct hate towards people i mean... would someone have preferred "wuhan virus" simply because it's more accurate??
"Sucks you lost your job from the china virus, you able to get unemployment?"
is a far cry from
"your china virus made me lose my job"
we need to stop thinking everyone needs saving.
Let’s face it, this was a long time coming. She wasn’t banned for being a racist, she was banned for being an ---uvula---.
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Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 03:48:40 pm
Post by: pbj on April 24, 2021, 03:57:06 pm
:applaud:
Post by: lilshawn on April 24, 2021, 04:09:36 pm
And yeah, I get that this is saints domain (figuratively not literally) and what he says goes. I can respect that. Like it or not, If he has a problem with it, then that's it. Edit your post and move on.
I don't know the exact series of events the led to where we are now, as I only got the begining and the end, so I'm not able to pick sides (nor is it appropriate to) but from what I gathered is a passing statement got blown out of proportion and attacks where made. Which is not right. Send a pm, start a thread, Report a comment. Sorry, but we don't need information threads shittered up with people attacking people for something they posted.
For want of a nail a shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe a horse was lost.
For want of a horse a rider was lost.
For want of a rider a message was lost.
For want of a message a battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
All for the want of a horseshoe nail.
Now we have an empty thread with zero information cause now it's all gone. All for the want of an edited post.
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2021, 04:13:34 pm
Well, it is what it is. The world has changed in so many different ways. Something okay one day is not the next, then later on is...then not again. I think the effort of people being so hardcore being against racism has caused the issue to become worse instead of better. It can be hard to keep track of what's going on.... I stopped almost all forms of media cause I just can't handle it anymore. Absolute s-show of misinformation everywhere you can't even sort fact from fiction anymore.so much misinformation and hyperfocus it's making everything worse that it actually is.With all due respect, I think you’re letting Jennifer off the hook. Nobody deleted her posts, she did that on her own, and she had been doing that for days. She’s just playing games here.
And yeah, I get that this is saints domain (figuratively not literally) and what he says goes. I can respect that. Like it or not, If he has a problem with it, then that's it. Edit your post and move on.
I don't know the exact series of events the led to where we are now, as I only got the begining and the end, so I'm not able to pick sides (nor is it appropriate to) but from what I gathered is a passing statement got blown out of proportion and attacks where made. Which is not right. Send a pm, start a thread, Report a comment. Sorry, but we don't need information threads shittered up with people attacking people for something they posted.
For want of a nail a shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe a horse was lost.
For want of a horse a rider was lost.
For want of a rider a message was lost.
For want of a message a battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
All for the want of a horseshoe nail.
Now we have an empty thread with zero information cause now it's all gone. All for the want of an edited post.
For whatever reason, she decided to go back and retroactively delete her posts. I tried asking her why many times, but she never gave a specific reason other than to nebulously blame Mike.
At no point did a mod step in and delete anything she said. She was given every opportunity to “edit your post and move on”, instead she doubled down.
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Post by: lilshawn on April 24, 2021, 04:18:05 pm
Maybe there isn't enough "regular" mods, I don't know.
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2021, 04:21:06 pm
We have had countless people nuke their posts....and it's a damn shame. This forum is ment to be an information repository where we can share and later search. Every time a thread gets nuked like this information is gone. Forever.I totally agree. That’s why I asked her why she was deleting her posts. For example, she gave you good advice on painting, but for some reason she felt compelled to pull it down. Unprovoked, at that time as well.
I don’t understand how her being mad at Mike and pulling down a totally unrelated post is helpful in any way.
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Post by: leapinlew on April 24, 2021, 04:30:37 pm
My whole point is calling someone racist, even if it might seem obvious from your perspective that you are defending against hate, hate isn't necessarily the motive for a comment from the other person.
we need to stop thinking everyone needs saving.
100% agree. I would vote for both of you for president! I think we jump to hate too quickly.
Don't get me wrong, Jen has problems, but when Jen was throwing shade at the Arcade1up's and being very personal about it, I didn't see any of us try to be the arbitrators of justice. It was an ugly, pile-on event by all sides. What's my point here? I don't know. I love and hate all you!
Post by: Zebidee on April 24, 2021, 04:41:09 pm
One other guy I know of who's stupid enough to call it the China virus is Tronald Dump. Except he isn't stupid, he deliberately did it, he knows that stirring up racism gets his supporters excited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl78PQGJpiI
I'd better stop there because I'm getting into politics.
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2021, 04:45:18 pm
We love and hate you too!My whole point is calling someone racist, even if it might seem obvious from your perspective that you are defending against hate, hate isn't necessarily the motive for a comment from the other person.we need to stop thinking everyone needs saving.
100% agree. I would vote for both of you for president! I think we jump to hate too quickly.
Don't get me wrong, Jen has problems, but when Jen was throwing shade at the Arcade1up's and being very personal about it, I didn't see any of us try to be the arbitrators of justice. It was an ugly, pile-on event by all sides. What's my point here? I don't know. I love and hate all you!
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Post by: bobbyb13 on April 24, 2021, 04:52:04 pm
Don't know why, and after so many people make so many efforts to gloss over it or even try to help her out and still get nastiness in return...?
... followed up with I'm taking my toys and going home behavior?
I'm sad for Jenn that she obviously has serious issues to sort through, but Saint isn't her therapist and he has a lot to think about as regards things around here already.
Apart from random commentary lacking enough detail to REALLY be helpful to anyone I can't see what she was contributing to the community here anyway.
It is a shadow of what many here are willing to share, in a manner that is useful and unoffensive.
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2021, 04:56:21 pm
No excuse for vitriol here, and sadly Jenn has lots to dole out.This guy gets it.
Don't know why, and after so many people make so many efforts to gloss over it or even try to help her out and still get nastiness in return...?
... followed up with I'm taking my toys and going home behavior?
I'm sad for Jenn that she obviously has serious issues to sort through, but Saint isn't her therapist and he has a lot to think about as regards things around here already.
Apart from random commentary lacking enough detail to REALLY be helpful to anyone I can't see what she was contributing to the community here anyway.
It is a shadow of what many here are willing to share, in a manner that is useful and unoffensive.
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Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 07:24:09 pm
Jenn was troubled and behaving in a way that is not acceptable I’m not going to argue against that. Agreed 100%.
I’m just going to say this and you can make of it what you will. Bullying, parading as moral indignation is still bullying. Jenn could be a giant pain in the ass, but she had skills which we could have learned from, despite what some of you may say, it was clear that she did. Continually accusing her of lying because of her reluctance to post pictures amounted to bullying in my opinion. To what end and why? Did you really care, did you go to bed at night seething that, “that ---smurfette--- is lying. I must reveal it!”? Even if she was, who gives a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---?
There is a lack of mod control here. Give her a holiday, some long time out. But ban her and hang it on racisim? ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.
There’s no need to reply with, she did this and she did that. Boo Hoo. I know, I have eyes and brain. I was there too.
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 07:41:42 pm
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 07:48:03 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 07:49:22 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 07:50:39 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 07:51:55 pm
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 07:52:38 pm
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 07:54:07 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 08:00:37 pm
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 08:01:53 pm
And Ond’s perspective on Jennifer’s contributions is why I didn’t reign in her in with banning despite numerous complaints, and Mike’s perspective on harassment by her is why I tried to reign her in privately to not much success unfortunately.
So here you had two contributors to the forum at odds and in frequent conflict. (Mike, I’m not picking on you, I’m beyond happy to see you chose to give BYOAC another go, we’re better for having you here).
This kind of thing comes up repeatedly, and I don’t know how to moderate these situations without the inevitable loss of one or more parties.
Opinions?
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 08:03:07 pm
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 08:04:55 pm
Going scorched earth and deleting material - that makes it a tougher thing for me to consider.
I don’t ever really say never though except for serious ---uvulas---, and I don’t think this qualifies.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 08:06:23 pm
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 08:09:57 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 08:17:10 pm
Post by: Mike A on April 24, 2021, 08:22:42 pm
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 08:24:41 pm
Your view of her as a contributor is biased by your dislike of her which is understandable.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 08:27:29 pm
I am not going to change your mind so I will stop trying. Rehashing this stuff over and over is not productive. I need to just let it go.
You do. You may think I have something against you Mike, other than this business with Jenn, I have nothing against you and have good memories.
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 08:28:43 pm
Another mod might have handled it different;y, I might have or might have ended up in the same place, I don’t know, but the mods who were there and paying attention at the time made the call and I won’t second guess someone who is doing their best to interpret the rules I’ve set in place in absence of support from me at the time.
PL1 is basically soloing the forum 90% of the time right now (approving posts from new members, deleting trash posts and banning would-be-spammers of which there are a *ton* hitting the forum regularly, etc.) and I’m grateful to him and the other board and global mods who give what they are able to to the forum.
I’m open to adding more mods if it would be useful. Has to be people with thick skin and slow trigger fingers. Really though it would be helpful to have more report-to-moderators happening when things start going south. It won’t made moderation decisions any easier, but at least we’d be more aware of a situation before it got too out of hand.
I’ve had to explain numerous times to angry forum denizens that no, I wasn’t letting <insert-issue-here> happen on purpose, I just wasn’t aware of it because I don’t read every post on the forum every day. I appreciate their belief in my omniscience, but it’s ain’t so.
This is kind of rambling so I’ll stop, but I’m open to any suggestions. You all are the heart and soul of how and why BYOAC exists. I’m just the guy running the server, poorly. :)
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 08:33:22 pm
If she was a recent member behaving like this, the ban action would be entirely appropriate. I watched Jenn on the forum for years. She became unglued over the last year or so with increasingly poor behavior. A temporary ban is more fitting for a long standing member who has previously been a contributor IMO.
Your view of her as a contributor is biased by your dislike of her which is understandable.
Post by: Vigo on April 24, 2021, 08:37:39 pm
And while I can’t promise that I can consistently help on a dime, I can try to make a point to help with some moderation if you would like me. (And no offense will be taken if you don’t.) I can assure you I am a little less jumpy these days, and well, I always had the thick skin part down.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 08:39:25 pm
For clarity, perm-ban only means it doesn’t auto-expire. If Jennifer wants to rejoin us and would agree to decorum guidelines, and convinced me she won’t go scorched earth on anymore posts (or even I damaged some?) I’d be happy to welcome her back. She has my email. She probably thinks I hate her but I appreciate her quirks and contributions, which even though I agree with Mike’s criticisms of her coyness and unsubstantiated claims, I still believe she has made positive contributions to the forum.If she was a recent member behaving like this, the ban action would be entirely appropriate. I watched Jenn on the forum for years. She became unglued over the last year or so with increasingly poor behavior. A temporary ban is more fitting for a long standing member who has previously been a contributor IMO.
Your view of her as a contributor is biased by your dislike of her which is understandable.
Thanks, I regard her in exactly the same way. I'm done ranting now. I rarely speak up on these things, but, well, it bugged me.
Post by: Malenko on April 24, 2021, 08:40:39 pm
PL1 is basically soloing the forum 90% of the time right now
I don't think any moderator would have made a difference ,this situation would have played out the same way no matter who was in charge. Jennifer has been on a steady decline, the last few things she did would have had any moderator worth their salt giving her a permaban.
If Jennifer wants to rejoin us and would agree to decorum guidelines, and convinced me she won’t go scorched earth on anymore posts (or even I damaged some?) I’d be happy to welcome her back.
I think that sets a bad precedence.
"Go ahead an be a total ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- if you've been here a while cause then you get 1 free pass".
If you do what she did and wanna burn the bridge you have to accept the consequences of your actions.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 09:20:51 pm
Is it possible to start locking old threads not touched for xx number of days? I think that should help mitigate the loss for post nuking at least. The edit button is valuable, especially I love when OPs update their first post to their projects. I understand some threads will need to be left alone, and there will be many cases for unlocking threads is necessary. I am happy to put some shovel time in locking threads if you need me to / are willing to have me get some time in pushing that through.
And while I can’t promise that I can consistently help on a dime, I can try to make a point to help with some moderation if you would like me. (And no offense will be taken if you don’t.) I can assure you I am a little less jumpy these days, and well, I always had the thick skin part down.
I think you would make an excellent moderator Vigo, you are one of the coolest heads around here. Working on "Vote for Vigo" badges now. ;D
Post by: Zebidee on April 24, 2021, 09:26:56 pm
Look at the steel she was welding for "wing struts" on a Star Wars cab. I was asking for some kind of plan or drawing because honestly it looked like she was welding a roof truss for a house. It was completely overengineered for an arcade cabinet cosmetic piece. It would also have been damn heavy. She was busy talking about exotic materials that we never saw. If you're going to buy all that stuff, why not use a little for the wing struts? For example, why not just use aluminium instead?
When I first saw the metal pieces in the back of the pickup and the words "wing struts" I thought she was going to put a rocket on the back of the truck and make it fly. That would've been fun!
I was asking for a rough plan of some sort because I was smelling ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---. Oh, no rough plan she just does the math in her head. I know some people do that, sure, but they at least write the numbers down on some paper somehow. All I was asking for was a kids drawing kind of plan, but no.
Post by: wp34 on April 24, 2021, 09:27:33 pm
Is it possible to start locking old threads not touched for xx number of days? I think that should help mitigate the loss for post nuking at least.
This is a great idea.
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 09:28:28 pm
There was not one post of his/hers that I thought was helpful or new information. I’m fine with Jenn deleting posts. It’s like he/she was never here, and I’m totally fine with that. It shows how much these people are truly about supporting the arcade hobby and preservation, and who are just posuers looking for some kind of ego boost. Chance was the same.
Jenn was on a downward spiral for a while, the fact she got away with so much baffles me. Once the racist comment then refusal to see what that comment really meant came out, it was a no-brainer Jenn needed to go.
I don’t agree with anyone who thinks jenn’s comment is benign. Anyone defending it is obviously not Asian let alone Chinese. I’m half. My mother is Chinese. I fear she will get attacked when going out. My in-laws are Asian. I fear things will happen to them when they are out.
If you can’t realize the way society is right now, then you’re either feigning ignorant or you live in a bubble.
These things are real. And words and comments like what Jenn put out there and defended are hurting people.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 09:37:25 pm
Vote 1 for Vigo.
Post by: wp34 on April 24, 2021, 09:37:32 pm
She/He didn’t add value to the forum
She/He? What the heck?
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 09:44:15 pm
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. That's why there's debate.If your opinion stems from defending racist comments or behaviors, or even a lack of awareness of those comments being racist...then it’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of you can get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. I have zero tolerance to racists, or white knights defending people who are.
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 09:44:37 pm
She/He didn’t add value to the forum
She/He? What the heck?
The jury is still out on that.
Post by: wp34 on April 24, 2021, 09:47:12 pm
She/He didn’t add value to the forum
She/He? What the heck?
The jury is still out on that.
How is this comment better than her racist comments?
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 09:52:26 pm
Huh? Being unclear what pronoun to use for Jenn is not the same or worst than racism. There’s a few of us who believe Jenn is X2’s alt account. There were inconsistencies with Jenn’s posts that lead us to believe her whole shtick was an act.She/He didn’t add value to the forum
She/He? What the heck?
The jury is still out on that.
How is this comment better than her racist comments?
How exactly is that confusing to you?
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 09:59:43 pm
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. That's why there's debate.If your opinion stems from defending racist comments or behaviors, or even a lack of awareness of those comments being racist...then it’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of you can get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. I have zero tolerance to racists, or white knights defending people who are.
I'm not defending racist behavior for a second. I've already said her behavior merited a ban. It's OTHER things I'm questioning. Nice personal attack there.
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 10:03:20 pm
You didn’t specify what our difference of opinions were.You're entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. That's why there's debate.If your opinion stems from defending racist comments or behaviors, or even a lack of awareness of those comments being racist...then it’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a matter of you can get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. I have zero tolerance to racists, or white knights defending people who are.
I'm not defending racist behavior for a second. I've already said her behavior merited a ban. It's OTHER things I'm questioning. Nice personal attack there.
Besides, you took a long break from the forum and didn’t see all the exchanges we all had with Jenn through that time.
Post by: Hoopz on April 24, 2021, 10:21:39 pm
There’s a few of us who believe Jenn is X2’s alt account. There were inconsistencies with Jenn’s posts that lead us to believe her whole shtick was an act.I've not been around much the last few years but they were both active here for years while I was very active. I never would have thought that Steve/X2 had a burner account to use.
Care to share any reasons?
Post by: leapinlew on April 24, 2021, 10:26:25 pm
I don't know the whole story and trying hard to avoid having to learn all the details, so I'm not qualified to have an opinion on whatever Jenn did. I do have an opinion that saying "Chinese Flu" isn't racist. It's insensitive at this point, now that we know what we should call it. I dunno man, we are just too quick to throw around the term racist.
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 10:33:10 pm
I've not been around much the last few years but they were both active here for years while I was very active. I never would have thought that Steve/X2 had a burner account to use.
Care to share any reasons?
Sorry I should have wrote : X2 or another bygone troll who has an alt account. I don’t have specific instances I can search for right now, but the inconsistency was in Jenn’s writing. Jenn would go from that 3rd person cutesy simp act to a fully different way of writing. Almost like split personality, or just someone forgetting to keep their act up. Letting it slip, you know?
Post by: Hoopz on April 24, 2021, 10:39:29 pm
I'd bet against X though. His belligerence stood out especially when he would threaten someone in RL.
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 10:39:49 pm
What are we calling racist behavior exactly? We talking about saying "Chinese flu"? If so, branding someone a racist is pretty extreme in my view.
I don't know the whole story and trying hard to avoid having to learn all the details, so I'm not qualified to have an opinion on whatever Jenn did. I do have an opinion that saying "Chinese Flu" isn't racist. It's insensitive at this point, now that we know what we should call it. I dunno man, we are just too quick to throw around the term racist.
It would have been just racial insensitivity if Jenn backed down after we mentioned that it was a racist term that is causing actual harm to Asian people. But Jenn dug in, doubled down. Saying things like “what else should I call it?”...how about covid, the rona, the pandemic...any alternatives that would have been more accurate.
The fact that Jenn defended her term was enough to be called racist.
Post by: Arroyo on April 24, 2021, 10:46:01 pm
Post by: Vigo on April 24, 2021, 10:50:41 pm
What are we calling racist behavior exactly? We talking about saying "Chinese flu"? If so, branding someone a racist is pretty extreme in my view.
I don't know the whole story and trying hard to avoid having to learn all the details, so I'm not qualified to have an opinion on whatever Jenn did. I do have an opinion that saying "Chinese Flu" isn't racist. It's insensitive at this point, now that we know what we should call it. I dunno man, we are just too quick to throw around the term racist.
It would have been just racial insensitivity if Jenn backed down after we mentioned that it was a racist term that is causing actual harm to Asian people. But Jenn dug in, doubled down. Saying things like “what else should I call it?”...how about covid, the rona, the pandemic...any alternatives that would have been more accurate.
The fact that Jenn defended her term was enough to be called racist.
I remember in middle school I was into Final Fantasy. At school during study period, I was drawing pictures of Locke or Cloud or somebody from the game riding a Chocobo. Pretty normal stuff for a video game kid to be doing, right? Well, anyway, my teacher looked over my shoulder and started freaking out at me for my drawing. He saw the innocent picture I drew of a guy on a giant bird, and interpreted it as an adult man giving it up the butt to an ostrich. Made a big deal about it in front of the whole class about how I was drawing bestiality pictures which became known as the bird F-er picture. In fairness, yes, the picture did look like a guy giving backdoor loving to a giant bird, but being called out in such a dramatic way like that only made me mad, only made me want to draw that picture more, and only hurt my reputation among my peers.
My point is she was called out in a very harsh way. I think it is somewhat normal reaction to be angry. Thankfully, as adults, most of us can put aside emotions, but I don't think her being angry means anything other than she was upset for being called something she felt she wasn't.
Post by: Vigo on April 24, 2021, 11:00:09 pm
100% agree. I would vote for both of you for president! I think we jump to hate too quickly.
Vote 1 for Vigo.
Two nominations in one day. Thanks guys! :) :cheers:
Post by: saint on April 24, 2021, 11:01:43 pm
Thank you everyone.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 11:06:37 pm
Just because I haven't signed into the forum doesn't mean I haven't been reading it.
I'm sure Jenn is dancing a demented dance at all the fuss. So to be very clear opt2not, I don't take kindly to be told to get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---, especially not on a hasty hot headed completely incorrect assumption. Different opinions are what make the forum an interesting place. Racism in ANY form is abhorrent and unacceptable to me. Again to be explicitly clear, the repugnant reaction I had in regards to one of Jenn's posts in her Skateboarding thread WAS about her apparent prejudice. Before you tell me to get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---, maybe just ask?
Reactionary insulting posts are what they are.
Have I been clear enough?
Post by: Hoopz on April 24, 2021, 11:11:06 pm
If Vigo is made a Mod, I will burn this place to the ground. Not another Packers fan. :banghead:
100% agree. I would vote for both of you for president! I think we jump to hate too quickly.
Vote 1 for Vigo.
Two nominations in one day. Thanks guys! :) :cheers:
Post by: Vigo on April 24, 2021, 11:14:10 pm
I promise to leave robot-assface's thread unlocked so you can continue to call him out every year. Does that make a difference?
Post by: Hoopz on April 24, 2021, 11:15:51 pm
;DVigo for Mod! Let's do this thing. :cheers:
I promise to leave robot-assface's thread unlocked so you can continue to call him out every year. Does that make a difference?
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 11:16:03 pm
Yeah, maybe Fox News.
Look, I’m going to be more blunt here. If you haven’t experienced racism directed towards your heritage/ethnicity you don’t really know what you’re talking about. I’ve had the brunt of two fronts, my white side of the family making fun of me for being the little Chinese mutt, slant eyed kid. And my Chinese side that has called me White Boy or Ghost Child. Not being accepted by either side. No wonder I’m estranged from them all.
Perhaps you might think these terms are benign, but to reciprocate even the slightest most subtle prejudicious remark against your heritage or ethnicity, even if you are a child or adult...it feels fairly awful. We should be better than this by now. It’s 20-fricken-21.
Post by: wp34 on April 24, 2021, 11:33:08 pm
Huh? Being unclear what pronoun to use for Jenn is not the same or worst than racism. There’s a few of us who believe Jenn is X2’s alt account. There were inconsistencies with Jenn’s posts that lead us to believe her whole shtick was an act.She/He didn’t add value to the forum
She/He? What the heck?
The jury is still out on that.
How is this comment better than her racist comments?
How exactly is that confusing to you?
I took your comments to be a purposeful mis-gendering of Jennifer. It just struck me as hypocritical from someone accusing another person of racism. If that wasn't your intent then I misunderstood you.
Post by: opt2not on April 24, 2021, 11:36:36 pm
Have I been clear enough?Have I been clear enough, is the real question. I said if you’re defending racism or racist people you can get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.
Since you’ve said you are fully against racism, then surely you were not defending Jenn for it.
So don’t get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. Ok?
You know what, it doesn’t even matter. I’ve decided to put you on ignore anyway. I’m not looking to continue a “debate” on who is, or how to not be a ---smurfy--- human. Your attitude around this whole issue doesn’t agree with me and has tainted my view of you. It’s a shame, we’ve drank beers together IRL, I thought you were cooler than this. But I just don’t want to engage anymore. If you didn’t think a ban was just, that’s fine. I thought it Jenn had it coming for a long time. It is what it is. I’m done.
Post by: Vigo on April 24, 2021, 11:41:49 pm
Look, I’m going to be more blunt here. If you haven’t experienced racism directed towards your heritage/ethnicity you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
I'm not going to discount your point of view or what you have gone through. I am sure you had your share and I know if is not always that easy, but I don't know what I am talking about? Bryan, we are friends on Facebook. You can pop on my page and see I have 3 kids in the same situation as you. I assure you, I know what I am talking about.
Post by: Ond on April 24, 2021, 11:49:55 pm
Have I been clear enough?Have I been clear enough, is the real question. I said if you’re defending racism or racist people you can get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.
Since you’ve said you are fully against racism, then surely you were not defending Jenn for it.
So don’t get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. Ok?
You know what, it doesn’t even matter. I’ve decided to put you on ignore anyway. I’m not looking to continue a “debate” on who is, or how to not be a ---smurfy--- human. Your attitude around this whole issue doesn’t agree with me and has tainted my view of you. It’s a shame, we’ve drank beers together IRL, I thought you were cooler than this. But I just don’t want to engage anymore. If you didn’t think a ban was just, that’s fine. I thought it Jenn had it coming for a long time. It is what it is. I’m done.
Sounds like a good solution. I'll put you on ignore as well and we can get on with enjoying the forum again.
Post by: leapinlew on April 25, 2021, 12:08:36 am
Have I been clear enough?Have I been clear enough, is the real question. I said if you’re defending racism or racist people you can get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.
Since you’ve said you are fully against racism, then surely you were not defending Jenn for it.
So don’t get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. Ok?
You know what, it doesn’t even matter. I’ve decided to put you on ignore anyway. I’m not looking to continue a “debate” on who is, or how to not be a ---smurfy--- human. Your attitude around this whole issue doesn’t agree with me and has tainted my view of you. It’s a shame, we’ve drank beers together IRL, I thought you were cooler than this. But I just don’t want to engage anymore. If you didn’t think a ban was just, that’s fine. I thought it Jenn had it coming for a long time. It is what it is. I’m done.
Sounds like a good solution. I'll put you on ignore as well and we can get on with enjoying the forum again.
I get you Opt2not - but this is not the way. You're allowing yourself to be over-sensitive because of how close this subject hits home for you. You shouldn't refuse other peoples opinions simply because they don't have the same level of experience as you. No one, even others who share the same genetic makeup, will not have the same experience as you.
But more importantly, you two have no business being at odds to the point you are willing to walk away from each other. You're cool dudes. Maybe avoid the discussion till it's ready to be discussed with cooler heads? Maybe focus on the other things you have in common? Maybe sleep on it and think about it again tomorrow.
Post by: Zebidee on April 25, 2021, 12:27:57 am
You both have valid arguments, reasons for seeing things the ways that you do. But stop pouring your emotional selves into it. Let it be.
In the end Jenn got banned not because of the racist comment, but because of being stubborn and telling everyone to get ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. Don't be like her.
Post by: pbj on April 25, 2021, 12:37:34 am
:cheers:
Post by: Ond on April 25, 2021, 12:48:50 am