The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Monitor/Video Forum => Topic started by: c0rderr0y on October 12, 2009, 07:28:14 pm
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Hi is there a list of online Arcade monitor sellers? I checked the sticked posts but did not find anything and thought it would be helpful to keep an updated list of places that carried arcade monitors.
http://www.wgec.com/ (http://www.wgec.com/)
http://www.xgaming.com/htm/wells-gardner-mame-arcade-cabinet-machine-monitor.shtml (http://www.xgaming.com/htm/wells-gardner-mame-arcade-cabinet-machine-monitor.shtml)
http://www.zax.com.au/ (http://www.zax.com.au/)
http://www.arcade-game-sales.com/ (http://www.arcade-game-sales.com/)
http://www.betson.com/ (http://www.betson.com/)
http://www.niemandisplays.com/ (http://www.niemandisplays.com/)
http://www.billabs.com/ (http://www.billabs.com/)
http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/monitors.htm (http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/monitors.htm)
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http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/monitors.htm (http://www.happcontrols.com/monitors/monitors.htm) Elk Grove, IL(HQ); Las Vegas, NV; Henderson, NV; Bloomington, MN; Menomonee Falls, WI
Lets keep this thread updated and maybe it will become a sticky!
I like to know where the dealers are so we might be able to save on shipping by doing a pickup.
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If you mean CRT arcade monitors, you should delete Happ. They only have LCD ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- now.
And add www.arcadeshop.com (http://www.arcadeshop.com) as they carry brand new Vision Pro 19" CRT monitors !
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If you are looking for CRT Arcade monitors ... act fast. We are down to less than a thousand. Depending on what size and resolution we may or may not have them in stock.
Rick@niemandisplays.com
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The void is coming.
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Yes and what really sucks is that any shooting games that use an optical gun will be trash.
Optical guns do not work with an LCD,
Rick
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This list may need to be updated. I'm having a heck of a time finding new or used 25" CGA monitors. I'm getting the impression that they're gone.
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25 inch were replaced by 24.8 inch a few years ago.
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Thankfully i dont throw or give much away when it comes to electronics. I still have all of our old crt tvs when we replaced them with flat screens. If people havent figured out by now, those old tvs (and old computer monitors too) are becoming priceless for using with old consoles.
Ive got 1 25 inch tv left for possibly slipping into an arcade monitor chassis later on.
A great source for crt arcade monitors is the seller, Quarterarcade, on ebay. Ive bought a couple makvision hybrids off of him and they both arrived perfect, and the c/s was great.
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oh yeah, i havent seen a lower price on those monitors either.
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If you mean CRT arcade monitors, you should delete Happ. They only have LCD ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- now.
And add www.arcadeshop.com (http://www.arcadeshop.com) as they carry brand new Vision Pro 19" CRT monitors !
Happs still sells some CRT monitors The 29/27 High-res Makvision is my favorite, but they also have them in 24-25 inch as well. There's no more WG 19 inch, but if you want a 19-inch just use a PC monitor. The 19" WG (31khz) was almost as clear as a PC monitor anyway.
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What do you do when you want a multi-sync? That Mak is switchable only, correct?
B.
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What do you do when you want a multi-sync? That Mak is switchable only, correct?
B.
If it syncs to more than one scanrate, it is a multisync. The Makvision monitor will not sync to 15khz.
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Yes. I have confirmed the Mak is a multisync. (A nice email exchange with Andre Mak.)
According to the Happ website:
http://www.happ.com/monitors/49271500.htm (http://www.happ.com/monitors/49271500.htm)
it will do 15kHz.
Brian
PS I have sent an email to Niemen to see if they are still producing CRTs as this is the only other company I have seen besides the Makvision.
PSS I am told that Betson Distributing is another source for the Makvision Monitors.
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Yes. I have confirmed the Mak is a multisync. (A nice email exchange with Andre Mak.)
According to the Happ website:
http://www.happ.com/monitors/49271500.htm (http://www.happ.com/monitors/49271500.htm)
it will do 15kHz.
Brian
NoBullMAME said the hi-res Makvision. That one will not sync to 15khz.
The tri-sync you found is most likely analog. That means it doesn't remember picture settings between resolutions.
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Yes. I have confirmed the Mak is a multisync. (A nice email exchange with Andre Mak.)
According to the Happ website:
http://www.happ.com/monitors/49271500.htm (http://www.happ.com/monitors/49271500.htm)
it will do 15kHz.
Brian
NoBullMAME said the hi-res Makvision. That one will not sync to 15khz.
The tri-sync you found is most likely analog. That means it doesn't remember picture settings between resolutions.
Yes, you are right. Those are the only options it seems--a tri-sync that doesn't have memory and requires readjustment for each rate or digital monitor that is simply VGA/SVGA.
If I choose to get the digital how does it look on the lower resolution older games? It seems that everyone recommends running native for the best look.
What would you say is best as a compromise?
Brian
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If you are looking for CRT Arcade monitors ... act fast. We are down to less than a thousand. Depending on what size and resolution we may or may not have them in stock.
Rick@niemandisplays.com
I bought one of Rick's 25" displays two years ago. Since I live in Texas, he referred me to one of his distributors in Arizona. It's still working great, and received great service from Rick and his distributor, Larry Rosenthal.
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PS I have sent an email to Niemen to see if they are still producing CRTs as this is the only other company I have seen besides the Makvision.
No, they are not.
PSS I am told that Betson Distributing is another source for the Makvision Monitors.
They sell either MakVision or Wei Ya. I don't recall which, but both good brands.
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See this post for similar topic with more detail: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=110025.msg1165071#msg1165071 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=110025.msg1165071#msg1165071)
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Somewhat expensive, and I've seen cheaper on ebay recently, but this may be a good source.
http://www.twobits.com/Monitors/ (http://www.twobits.com/Monitors/)
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I'm after a tri-sync 27" crt. I live in Finland (EU) so shipping from US is unfortunately practically insane (shipping cost, customs, taxes etc etc). Any retailers for decent crt monitors in EU?
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Somewhat expensive, and I've seen cheaper on ebay recently, but this may be a good source.
http://www.twobits.com/Monitors/ (http://www.twobits.com/Monitors/)
Any idea of the specs of these? I actually need just a 19".
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Yeah wheres the love for EU and UK users??
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I have 8 24.8in trimode Nieman monitors left. $426 plus shipping from Glendale, AZ
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I have 8 24.8in trimode Nieman monitors left. $426 plus shipping from Glendale, AZ
Where in Glendale? Local pickup an option?
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I have 8 24.8in trimode Nieman monitors left. $426 plus shipping from Glendale, AZ
I'm interested in one of these as well, will they remember settings between frequencies? If not anyone have a suggestion for the best suited tri sync monitor for a name can running hyperspin that does 15hz and some higher res?
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I just bought a brand new 25" curved CGA monitor for my killer instinct 1 machine. I was told by a few people KI1 was CGA. It will be here on Tuesday. I only paid 375.64 and I can let you guys know how it turns out if you like.
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Where did you purchase your brand new 25" curved CGA monitor for killer instinct?
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I bought it from Billabs. They didn't even realize they had a 25" curved until I called and asked about them. When I get it I'll take some pictures or do a video and write what I think about it.
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I called Billabs today and they do have the 25 inch curved CTRs in stock. Could you let me know if a direct replacement? They have no pics of the CTRs online. I'm trying to replace the monitor in a Dynamo HS5 that has Street Fighter II.
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Sure will. I'll do a follow up.
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Below are the specs of the monitor sold by Bellabs. Does anyone foresee any issues with such a monitor to replace the one in a Dynamo HS5 used for Street Fighter II?
[CRTM] 25" CRT Monitor, 31Hz, Curved, CGA, MONOsync™
CGA Mono-Resolution V-Freq. 31 Hz
Adjustment Controls: Brightness, Contrast, H-Size, H Position, V-Size, V-Pos.
Sync: 6-pin CGA (R, G, B, GND, H+V, V) connector
100~240 VAC, 50/60 Hz no isolation transformer needed
Available in Universal mounting frames
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Here is the follow up video. Killer Instinct arcade machine restore (Part 3of3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoTSuTmLzk#ws) (Not good at making videos)
The packaging was great. They had cardboard on every side of the inside box as well as the foam you see. On the top where they have the chassis they had the huge bubble wrap and cardboard on top of that.
Make sure to clean up the monitor after you put it in the cabinet. Very minimal dirt is there but a tiny bit of glue was left behind from the protective plastic. It's a perfect fit with my bezel. Couldn't be happier! I've included a few pics.
The picture of the monitor AFTER I fixed the ground issue on my PS. Get them while they got 'em! ;D :applaud:
(http://www.shotpix.com/images/06295052351036563207.jpg)
(http://www.shotpix.com/images/99922097101212178321.jpg)
(http://www.shotpix.com/images/45713545931665099044.jpg)
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Thanks for the info and video :applaud:
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No problem at all!
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Awesome! Monitor looks great. Nice job.
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Thanks a lot man! I love it.
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I purchased a 25 inch curved from Billabs two weeks ago and would not recommend it. Purchase from a seller with better customer service even if not a curved true 25 inch. Below was Billab's response to a scratch that was on the monitor that was received:
Dear Customer,
Scratches on the tube do not affect the normal working order of the monitor.
While we apologize for the imperfect nature of the tube, we cannot be responsible
for anything outside of the functionality of the tube. Afterall, we're lucky to even
have tubes to work with in the 21st century!
Thanks for your understanding in this matter.
Best Regards,
Surfnote/Billabs
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While they're lucky to have new tubes (this *IS* a *NEW* tube, right?) at this point, there's no excuse for shipping a monitor with a scratch in the tube face, in my opinon.
Of course, if this is a "refurbished" monitor, such as using a tube ripped from an old TV, all bets are off. They are probably sold as-is.
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I purchased a 25 inch curved from Billabs two weeks ago and would not recommend it. Purchase from a reputable seller even if not a curved true 25 inch.
How bad is the scratch and is it even noticeable while playing? Post some pictures up if you don't mind. The warranty is for the functionality of the CRT and the chassis from what I know of. I think I'm pretty lucky to get a 25" curved CRT especially if they aren't made anymore. If you paid with paypal you can file a dispute for a product that is damaged. Sorry for the bad experience.
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Haven't connected the monitor to see if the scratch will show. Their website was not accepting paypal at the time, which makes one wonder why. They won't own up to the scratched tupe and want to charge a 20% restocking fee if returned. Keep in mind one would have to pay the shipping to return it also.
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You should probably check it out because I have a lot of tube tv's that you can see and feel some pretty deep scratches off but when it's on you can't tell at all. I didn't use their website at all. All the communication and order was placed over the phone. They sent me a invoice with the total and gave me their paypal. They set my monitor up and they shipped it. No matter where you buy there will always be a restock fee and the buyer always pays for shipping. They don't want to waste their time for nothing.
I feel you pain. I really do but at least give it a shot. You will be impressed.
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I am down to 3 24.8" Nieman monitors. When they're gone, that's it. Happ cannot order anymore Makvisions. There are no more to buy.
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I am down to 3 24.8" Nieman monitors. When they're gone, that's it. Happ cannot order anymore Makvisions. There are no more to buy.
End of days......
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So I take it that no more North American sellers carry the tubes that sync to 15Khz in stock? Sad times indeed.
Any suppliers selling chassis that you can hook up to a TV tube? Anyone gone this route?
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I am down to 3 24.8" Nieman monitors. When they're gone, that's it. Happ cannot order anymore Makvisions. There are no more to buy.
Are these digital? Either way, I want one. Please PM me here or e-mail me info at joystick.net.
Thanks!
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I am down to 3 24.8" Nieman monitors. When they're gone, that's it. Happ cannot order anymore Makvisions. There are no more to buy.
Are these digital? Either way, I want one. Please PM me here or e-mail me info at joystick.net.
Thanks!
They're analog tri-syncs. You need to PM him, yo.
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I have a good working chassis for a Niemann tri-mode 24.8" I want to get rid of. $75 shipped to continental US. PM me if you want it.
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Hi guys
I am desperately looking for a 25 inch CRT monitor for my mame machine! The one reviewed here is exactly what I am looking for but are those monitors still available? It's more and more difficult to get hands on one of those things nowadays!
I got a fresh new Makvison 25" crt 2 month ago but it failed badly and returned it back to Suzo Happ Europe. It was not possible to repair it and Makvision is no longersupplying CRT monitors anymore!!!!
Please help!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Just trying to find some more up to date info. I'm looking to replace at least 1 of the 2 monitors in my linked 25" Crusin' World cabinets.
I'm hoping to find something that will more or less just "bolt" in without too much modification or trouble. I know the WG 26" is an option but wanted to know what else, if anything was available. I know it's not going to be cheap but what are my cheaper options Vs. my more original looking / better picture quality options.
I also found these on Ebay, are they worth it? Are they compatible?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-25inch-CGA-EGA-arcade-monitor-319-00-/200858669743?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec41c12af (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-25inch-CGA-EGA-arcade-monitor-319-00-/200858669743?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec41c12af)
Thanks for all the great info on here and the help I've already received.
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Just from looking at this guys feedback it seems to be a mixed bag with his 25" and 27" monitors. Some are saying that the tube actually isn't new or it simply doesn't work. If it were me I probably wouldn't order from this guy unless he was local. Have you checked Billabs? After shopping around they were the only company left I found to have brand new 25" curved CRT's.
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I saw his feedback too and know there's always a chance with any electronics on Ebay. However Ebay is almost always in favor of the buyer when there is an issue with the purchase. I would only be out the shipping if there was something wrong with it. Don't really want to roll the dice but was looking at options.
I did check Billabs, and like almost everyone else they only have LCD listed. The 26" LCD might be my best option but I think it is overpriced for what it is.
Thanks
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Guy on Ebay wants $220 for shipping which to me is way more than it should be. With that said it would be $860 for 2 25" CGA monitors or $1050 for 2 26" WG LCD Monitors. Neither option is as cheap as I would like but in your opinions is it worth the extra money for the LCD's or stick with the older CGA even though they are pretty much obsolete / not supported anymore?
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I really wished I stocked up on monitors sooner. It's a damn shame how they all pretty much vanished. Hopefully, I can get away with cannibalizing a regular TV set for my DK project cabinet.
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I really wished I stocked up on monitors sooner. It's a damn shame how they all pretty much vanished. Hopefully, I can get away with cannibalizing a regular TV set for my DK project cabinet.
the "If I stockpile, I'll profit" idea is the problem.
I will never buy a CRT monitor used or new again. I will not support the d-bags that have done this. It will perhaps reduce the quality of my home machines, but when I think of what I enable when I buy CRTs, I really don't care.
I will not support extortionists, even if they fit within the purview of legal commerce.
In my experience, it is easier to make an LCD emulate an arcade CRT look & feel than it is a television, but I am by no means an expert on the matter.
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I really wished I stocked up on monitors sooner. It's a damn shame how they all pretty much vanished. Hopefully, I can get away with cannibalizing a regular TV set for my DK project cabinet.
http://www.8liners.com/datatech/monitor.html (http://www.8liners.com/datatech/monitor.html)
I will never buy a CRT monitor used or new again. I will not support the d-bags that have done this. It will perhaps reduce the quality of my home machines, but when I think of what I enable when I buy CRTs, I really don't care.
I will not support extortionists, even if they fit within the purview of legal commerce.
In my experience, it is easier to make an LCD emulate an arcade CRT look & feel than it is a television, but I am by no means an expert on the matter.
Dude - WHAT?
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I mean I'm not going to buy any arcade monitors anymore. It's impossible to know for sure that I'm buying from someone that didn't hoard them intending to make an insane profit margin.
I mean, good for them, I hope they get rich and whatever else they want out of life, but I'm not going to encourage, enable, or pay for that behavior, myself.
In my opinion, if I buy an arcade monitor it's either going to be a verifiable new monitor for a fair price (less than $200 for a 19") or I'm not going to buy it. I feel that if I buy an arcade monitor from someone with a stash of them, I'm just giving implicit approval to them and their "FU, I'm taking them all for profit" mentality, and I won't do it. I don't agree with it.
I'm sorry you don't agree with me. We're all different.
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I mean I'm not going to buy any arcade monitors anymore. It's impossible to know for sure that I'm buying from someone that didn't hoard them intending to make an insane profit margin.
I mean, good for them, I hope they get rich and whatever else they want out of life, but I'm not going to encourage, enable, or pay for that behavior, myself.
In my opinion, if I buy an arcade monitor it's either going to be a verifiable new monitor for a fair price (less than $200 for a 19") or I'm not going to buy it. I feel that if I buy an arcade monitor from someone with a stash of them, I'm just giving implicit approval to them and their "FU, I'm taking them all for profit" mentality, and I won't do it. I don't agree with it.
I'm sorry you don't agree with me. We're all different.
Well, it seemed like an out of place rant. Also, a knowledgable buyer is a protected one. FOREWARNED IS FORARMED.... get it?
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I have 2 24.8" Nieman trimodes left. After that no more, ever.
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Larry,
Are the monitors you are selling auto syncing? Will they fit into a Atari Gauntlet Dark Legacy Cabinet? If so, please PM me as I would like to buy one.
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Hi Larry,
New forum member, not sure if I am allowed to PM yet. I would be interested in talking to you about 1 on the Neiman monitors you have. I sent you a more detailed PM. Not sure if you got it or not. Feel free to PM or respond here thanks
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If you are looking for CRT Arcade monitors ... act fast. We are down to less than a thousand. Depending on what size and resolution we may or may not have them in stock.
Rick@niemandisplays.com
Refurbished....or new?
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Refurbished....or new?
Used.
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Refurbished....or new?
Used.
I've got 2 neiman trimodes on my junk pile. I hate those monitors(mainly because of the crappy video connectors).
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Hey guys completely new to this, but I just bought an old time crisis machine (atomiswave) that has been converted to a Jamma Mame machine. Problem is my CRT monitor is rolling and no picture is showing up. Any help would be great, I am also based in the UK.
The monitor has the number 9A2988-1 Sanyo Mex 0405. I also have the numbers A63AFW36X if that helps
Cheers
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I am in need of an original monitor for a Centipede arcade upright cabinet. Anybody have one for sale or know where I can get one? Thanks.
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I am in need of an original monitor for a Centipede arcade upright cabinet. Anybody have one for sale or know where I can get one? Thanks.
It would help to know where you live and what exactly you are looking for. Centipede's I've seen have Electrohome G07's in them. Do you need an entire monitor, chassis, frame and tube? Or do you have a G07 in it now and it is non-functional?
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Pretty cool. Havent seen a lower price on those monitors either. :applaud:
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Pretty cool. Havent seen a lower price on those monitors either. :applaud:
Thread hasn't been posted in , in 2 years. If you exclude the last 2, its been almost 4 years.
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2 years is a blink of an eye, astronomically speaking.
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2 years is a blink of an eye, astronomically speaking.
first post had to be approved by a mod, retardedly speaking.
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Awww, I miss Sandheaver
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None of those are arcade monitors.
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Well, in 2021, if this thread was meaning CRT monitors (which it should be, as thats the only real monitors worth a damn in arcade cabs) - then I'd say this thread is a wrap. haha.
Sucks - but the sad truth.
You know what would be awesome ? And possible since this retro gaming trend is getting bigger and bigger... Is if a company like Analogue but for arcades dedicated to start making CRT's again. There is always ways around the BS environmentalist aspect. As proper warning signs on them and the fact it would be small runs sold only in a boutique market. It'd be possible and as long as the company kept it small, low overhead, it'd be worth it.
This would also cause a slight bit more jobs in a trickle effect, because this company would want to buy some things, etc.. But mostly all things would be made in house. That'd be AWESOME !
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Sadly...
Never
Gonna
Happen
The world has moved on from us dinosaur types in regard to screens.
BUT...
You will be surprised what you can build by combining chassis still floating around and curb find TVs.
Start hoarding old tubes and get a good multimeter.
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I agree, but, never say never. I thought exactly as you said about the old Nintendo NES, Sega Genesis, etc.. consoles. Old dinosaurs. Next thing you know, some company (Analogue Co) started remaking new and improved versions of them in extremely small batches. Made way better than the originals actually. Plays all the original cartridges too and a verbatim remake, no emulations.
If you think about it, if that market was good enough to remake, then the CRT market is exactly double that. Because all old console gamers like CRT's + All old arcade gamers like CRT's - So I'm pointing out it would be a bigger market than something already in repro. So this is possible.
But I do agree, highly unlikely. It takes a passionate type of millionaire that wants to just do it to do it and test the waters to see if a slight profit can be made. For sure no actual big company would do it, cause as you pointed out, the numbers just aint there for the bean counters.
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The problem with crt production wouls appear to be the tubes really.
As mentioned by another byoac-er preciously, nobody who knows glass well enough to make them will ever do it again, mostly because I can't imagine what the cost would be to remake the tooling just for the ridiculous dimension light bulb required.
Flat screens and LED light fixtures have relegated the whole industry to the technology dustbin.
If you can stand the 60s era cheezy RCA cheerleading in this you kinda get the picture (get it...? picture...?!) :lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7IrSLPVkxCo (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7IrSLPVkxCo)
Second clip is how they were made nearer the sunset of production and the whole process was more advanced and streamlined.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NwMPcYH71g (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NwMPcYH71g)
Seems to me that producing chassis and yokes is trivial compared to precision building a 19" light bulb with a wire screen and phosphor emulsion and x-ray producing electron gun inside it!
But if you have any billionaire friends who would like to commit some spare cash to a business that might be able to break even after 10 years by producing monitors that would probably still cost $1000+ then have them get in touch with me and I'll write up a business plan.
:)
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Good points bobby, and I agree. But only if they indeed carried it out exactly as they used to.
My concept (but I could be wrong), is they actually slightly improve the CRT concept, while making it easier to make using technology we didn't used to have. So remember towards the end of the CRT production life they start getting into flat screen CRT's. I could be wrong, but I think now a days that'd be easier and cheaper to recreate than the old curved convex way (the wrong way at that) tubes of old. Honestly as much as I love CRT's, the fact they curve so much and at that convex always bothered me. Flat is a million times better, but now we have learned concave is even better.
Now admittedly concave curved CRT is prob impossible, (and too expensive too) - but a modern flat CRT just might be more possible and cheaper to recreate.
You bring up a good point, that is a sad point. Several good workers, good work ethic, *smart* workers are just not around anymore. This to me is just terrifying. As I see it everywhere. Intelligence has switched to other fields, (code, smartasses, etc..) but smart good *CRAFTSMEN* in any craftsmen field is just a dead art. Some are good, sure, better than me, but not like them old school ones. Not at all.
So I see your point, lol some sound modern idiot making a tube to the same quality standards of old is most likely impossible. But before the old school me's die off, it'd be nice if they taught a few younger people the secret skill. Then maybe it would be possible ?
Anyway - I dream, I dream
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Flat CRTs make classic games look like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
There are more than enough CRTs to feed this hobby until the people who really care are all dead.
There is no need for new CRTs.
I routinely buy working 19 inch arcade monitors for 100 to 150 bucks. 25 inch CRTS for 125-250 dollars.
If you can't find them where you live then drive out to Chicago with a van and fill it up with arcade monitors.
One trip and you never have to worry about CRTs again.
If you don't live in the continental US this could be a very different conversation.
Bobbyb13, you need to rent a canoe or something. Sorry buddy.
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I would pick these up right now if my basement shelving wasn't already full.
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Flat CRTs make classic games look like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
Dang really ? Why is that ? I admit I never seen them on one. Maybe thats why ! lol But just from logic alone, it seems like it would be better. I mean, the tube is curved the wrong way for crying out loud.
Ohh, wait, unless the circuitry of the games/roms to the monitor boards are taking all that into consideration and compensating. Therefore that compensation makes it look like crap on a flat screen CRT ? But wait, no that can't be cause it doesn't look off skew on LCD flat screens, LCD flat screen don't look as good cause its a entirely different technology. So yea, what makes it look so bad on a flat screen CRT ? Its the same tech, same everything, just a proper screen. Seems like it would be the best of both worlds.
For me, I am trying to collect tube with 0 and I mean literally 0 burn. They are out there, just hard to find. The 25" are more common to have no burn I've noticed. And the good thing about CRT/classic games is you can upsize the screen from a 19" to a 25" and there is no loss of quality unlike "pixel resolution based" tv size changes... so for me this is a win. I don't mind. That said, I just was given a 19" tube with 0 burn ! So thats cool. 19" is cool for vertical. Horizontal, I kinda like 25" if doing a Jamma switcher cab. But hell, no sin in doing 25" vertical too ! lol
Anyway, the moral to bore you with all that is.. my quest indeed is a bit harder. Hence my desire to make CRT's again. But before that happens, it might just be more likely they invent a new tech that finally does look and operate (optionally) as good as CRT but in some new thing. I mean OLED is old already and it undeniably looked way better than LCD. It just has a lag prob. The next gen stuff I heard is going to be bananas and they are getting lag time pretty minimal. So yea, you are right. Just collect what I can, and by the time I am out of CRT's, I bet looking forward instead of backward is the best bet then.
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Don't take this too harshly...you are new.
People looking for zero burn tubes are the problem.
Even moderate burn is many times not noticeable at all during gameplay.
Jerks are tossing tubes with moderate burn because they are not perfect.
Hopefully you have not tossed any tubes yet.
If you live anywhere near the Chicagoland area, come on out and I will show you what I mean.
I have an arcade room with a variety of CRTs in various states of burn.
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Oh. You are on KLOV too.
I see you live on the west coast.
Oh well. The offer still stands if you ever find yourself out here.
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Don't take this too harshly...you are new.
People looking for zero burn tubes are the problem.
Even moderate burn is many times not noticeable at all during gameplay.
Jerks are tossing tubes with moderate burn because they are not perfect.
Hopefully you have not tossed any tubes yet.
If you live anywhere near the Chicagoland area, come on out and I will show you what I mean.
I have an arcade room with a variety of CRTs in various states of burn.
Haha, no I definitely never take anything wrong man. No worries, My skin is too thick for that. Also I understand how it is when you don't understand someone and you have your own ideals, you kinda can misjudge, then think you know something about that person, etc... So its all good, I didn't take it wrong. Let me explain myself, and maybe you can identify my type more accurately as I am sure you got some friends like me that you tease and make fun of.. haha I am used to it. No worries.
So for me its like this. NO I am not one of those guys that throws *anything* away, especially something vintage. I will give it away to someone who is less picky than I or I will sell it to someone less picky than I. People who don't like no burn are not the problem obviously, cause it gives people like you, the less picky, more tubes !! And I can be a hub for such things even ! (not tubes yet though as I haven't collected enough)
I'm one of those guys that people LOVE to buy stuff from, my friends (after they tease me for being so picky) line up to take over my old toss outs, cause they are always in excellent condition and I pass on my excellent condition item for a mint condition replacement once I find it. I am like that with everything and have been since I was kid, its not a problem, I just end up getting what I want, and having particularly nice things. I do the same with cars, collectables, music gear (my profession), and especially girls !! LOL. I have no remorse or feeling in things that are not exactly how I want them (why should I ?). There are way too many options, way too many fish out there to settle on anything less, and them lucky finds always come around, have faith. So I wait, I am patient, and its never failed me.
About tubes though in particular. Let me start here so you understand a touch more. So you are talking to a seriously shallow (lol) graphics hound. ALWAYS been that way. I am a gamer, not a builder, not a collector, not a restorer (though I will do all those things, yes, I am a serious gamer first). In gaming for me its all about visuals though. When I first was a kid and I seen perfect tubes while playing games, I didn't know at the time, but I loved that. Later, as a older kid/young man is when I first started seeing burn in for the first time (about 12-14 years old), and I despised it. Yes even back then ! I wouldn't play the game and I'd move on. Why ? - Think about it - It ruined the immersive feeling for me. Its how I am, what I am. It effects my *ENJOYMENT*. Not gameplay, no, but visuals is the way I trick myself into thinking this is not a game, rather life and I am that character in there. *ANY visual artifact totally shatters that immersiveness for me*. If you were a hardcore gamer first and also a graphics hound, you would understand. But you might be a builder/collector/restoration guy first, gamer second. Which then would make sense. Or maybe you are just not the "immersive" type of gamer.
I will admit this though, burn in on a screen that is the same burn from the game you are playing is not as bad as when you see burn in from a game that is different than the one its currently displaying (know what I mean). Just my opinion. Also, that being said, as long as I can not detect visually any burn, then I am cool with it. But if I see it while playing, thats when I kinda lose the good vibe I was on. So really, all I ask is that I can not see it. Some can be there, sure. But again, why settle ? Makes no sense to me.
BTW, yes I am totally new to this - I have a total of 2 tubes so far. They were given to me. I have yet to buy anything as I still haven't found that "right" sale on anything I've found. Out of these tubes 1 is a complete monitor, (will be testing it soon as I get my HV Probe) it has burn, but sine it is my first ever monitor, I will be keeping it a "learn" things on as I collect the tools needed and experiment, watch Randy Fromm videos, etc.. The other one is just a tube, I got the other day. It has no burn. I am looking to decode what monitor chassis/boards/etc.. I need to get it up and running and will try that too. These honestly are just Toal experiments introducing me into the world.
I want to reiterate, I just like to get things so it at *least* plays a illusion on me that's its perfect and brand new. It doesn't have to be really. As long as its outta sight, outta mind. Thats ok. Other than that, yes I am picky, I like things the way I like them or I'd rather just do without until "that" one comes along. Its my nature. I understand there are many like you, that don't mind settling. And I respect that, and thats cool. But understand, not every is like that or needs to be like that nor is it a problem if they are. Thats kinda odd to say.
*Side Note, deeper concept*
The only "problem" is ridiculous laws and the masses gravitation towards convenience over quality (MP3's).. As them 2 things put together is what is causing all the greatest well built things that last a lifetime to no longer be made. BTW - You find that more than a coincidence ? The government just magically finds out that all well built long lasting things are made with materials that are harmful to us or the globe.. MEANWHILE conveniently the modern replacement made with all safe things (supposedly) just happens to magically not last, so you have to buy a new one every 5 years.. ???? No one finds this as smelling horribly wrong ?
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Flat CRTs make classic games look like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
There are more than enough CRTs to feed this hobby until the people who really care are all dead.
There is no need for new CRTs.
I routinely buy working 19 inch arcade monitors for 100 to 150 bucks. 25 inch CRTS for 125-250 dollars.
If you can't find them where you live then drive out to Chicago with a van and fill it up with arcade monitors.
One trip and you never have to worry about CRTs again.
If you don't live in the continental US this could be a very different conversation.
Bobbyb13, you need to rent a canoe or something. Sorry buddy.
Oh... tube envy-
Sadly (and comically) you are once again correct Mike A.
People out here had too much $$ during the CRT era apparently (and there are a lot of traditionalist people of Japanese descent here in the islands also) so most of the tubes I get ahold of are actually very nice Trinitrons.
Most totally usseless if not for Zebidee's work and some with only s-video, composite, or rf input anyway.
I need to learn how to rgb mod-
And the tubes that aren't Sonys are often Dynaflats.
Far better than LCDs obviously, but geometry is abit weird for some games of course.
Ahhhh.... the irony-
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Hey you know what's interesting (to me, cause I am new here) but when I "quoted" Mike A, the quote wrote the word sh&t out like its spelled while I was creating the post. Which I thought weird, cause I swore he wrote the --steaming pile of meadow muffin-- joke/analogy. Low and behold, when I clicked "Post" - it zapped back to the meadow muffin thing.
Pretty cool, I figure its a auto thing ? When you swear it replaces your curse word(s) with some funny related banter ?
Oh and @Mike A, sorry I missed that part, yes I am on the Arcade Museum place too.
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When you swear it replaces your curse word(s) with some funny related banter ?
Yeah, that's Saint's sense of humor for you.
Try posting the next entry in this sequence: B2, B3, __. :duckhunt
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Yeah, that's Saint's sense of humor for you.
Try posting the next entry in this sequence: B2, B3, __. :duckhunt
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Modify Profile -- Look and Layout menu.
Select "Leave words uncensored", the 6th item down, then Click on "Change Profile". (lower right)
Scott
Who is Saint ?
You know I have from day 1 had that option checked, and just now double checked and yes I have that option enabled to leave words uncensored. Yet, it is still censoring them I guess ? Weird.
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Who is Saint ?
Saint (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=profile;u=167) a.k.a. John St.Clair is our gracious host who has been running this site since late 1997 and is the author of "Project Arcade".
(http://www.projectarcade2.com/images/cover_menu.jpg)
He also does a great Pac-Man cosplay -- related thread here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,155265.msg1628663.html#msg1628663).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YjIkHtF4A
You know I have from day 1 had that option checked, and just now double checked and yes I have that option enabled to leave words uncensored. Yet, it is still censoring them I guess ? Weird.
The filter is a one-way street.
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Scott
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Saint (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=profile;u=167) a.k.a. John St.Clair is our gracious host who has been running this site since late 1997 and is the author of "Project Arcade".
Ahhh, got'chu. Ok thanks for the info. And he IS a Saint, cause he got this great wealth of informational site to help us all and its still up and running. My first computer was in 1998. I swore I was the first person with internet. It was definitely not popular back then. I had no clue there was internet a year earlier. I mean, I knew about military style internet and for us is was so rudimentary that you couldn't;t really call it the internet yet. So if he really started this site in 1997, then the cost must have been massive ! Cause all that stuff came down in expenses and is much easier now. WOW I am impressed. 1997.
The filter is a one-way street.
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Ok, so that must be what's going on with my censorship thing. Its piggybacking off someone else. lol I like no censorship. Its just more real to me. Even if someone says something I do not like or to put me down, I feel thats their right to say that. Doesn't bother me none. I actually like it.
Anyway thanks for clearing that up. And again also - THANKS to Saint for hosting this place for so long to help folks out.
Well we side tracked this thread enough - haha Back to monitors ! And hail CRT's over LCD's !
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I'm one of those people that wish they'd start producing CRTs again due to the surging popularity of retro games.. but I know it's not going to happen. However, one thing that COULD happen is reproduction of the CHASSIS or even a completely new design based on modern tech. That sort of thing is already happening with vector monitors. I've seen complete reproductions of old Amplifone chassis, Wells Gardner 6100s and even new designs based on the old ones. I wish somebody would make a nice universal chassis that could turn all these old TVs into RGB monitors. Someone smarter than me could make a chassis that could work regardless of yoke impedance with a few different neck boards for different sockets. It could have a built in component video transcoder, SCART connector, molex for arcade RGB.. etc. Think about all the undesirable RF only Televisions that have nice tubes. If there was a small chassis that could fit inside the case and add an RGB input.. That would be AWESOME :)
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I'm one of those people that wish they'd start producing CRTs again due to the surging popularity of retro games.. but I know it's not going to happen. However, one thing that COULD happen is reproduction of the CHASSIS or even a completely new design based on modern tech. That sort of thing is already happening with vector monitors. I've seen complete reproductions of old Amplifone chassis, Wells Gardner 6100s and even new designs based on the old ones. I wish somebody would make a nice universal chassis that could turn all these old TVs into RGB monitors. Someone smarter than me could make a chassis that could work regardless of yoke impedance with a few different neck boards for different sockets. It could have a built in component video transcoder, SCART connector, molex for arcade RGB.. etc. Think about all the undesirable RF only Televisions that have nice tubes. If there was a small chassis that could fit inside the case and add an RGB input.. That would be AWESOME :)
You can already buy new, cheap Chinese clones of Wei-ya and other classic monitor chassis brands for around $20. Quality is variable and good luck matching to the tubes you have.
Neckboards are relatively easy as often all you need to do is to replace the socket to match. Adjusting to accommodate different yoke impedances is trickier. Usually easier to swap the original yoke from a suitable-but-dead tube onto a replacement.
Given how easy it still is to access the stocks already sitting in peoples sheds and on roadsides, making new CRTs at this point would be folly for any business that actually wants to make a profit. The industry is dust and tumbleweeds now. It is true that some quality old CRT TVs and monitors can get good prices these days, but you still couldn't be price competitive with a re-started new product. By the time that dynamic changes (if it ever does), restarting manufacturing will likely be even harder. We might love our retrogaming, but who would pay $1000 for a new generic 19" CRT arcade monitor? $500 maybe, but even then it would be a hard sell.
Then there is the shipping, which costs a ton for CRTs. This effectively breaks the global market up into a bunch of smaller markets, kinda kills the already fragile economics of a single factory supplying the world's CRT lovers.
But I agree, it would be great to better understand how to tweak standardised new chassis to work with a range of different tubes. I know some chassis like the Smart Image generic ones can be modded to suit a range of tube variants, but you need specialist technical knowledge (of which I know but a fraction).
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I'm one of those people that wish they'd start producing CRTs again due to the surging popularity of retro games.. but I know it's not going to happen. However, one thing that COULD happen is reproduction of the CHASSIS or even a completely new design based on modern tech. That sort of thing is already happening with vector monitors. I've seen complete reproductions of old Amplifone chassis, Wells Gardner 6100s and even new designs based on the old ones. I wish somebody would make a nice universal chassis that could turn all these old TVs into RGB monitors. Someone smarter than me could make a chassis that could work regardless of yoke impedance with a few different neck boards for different sockets. It could have a built in component video transcoder, SCART connector, molex for arcade RGB.. etc. Think about all the undesirable RF only Televisions that have nice tubes. If there was a small chassis that could fit inside the case and add an RGB input.. That would be AWESOME :)
You can turn most old TVs to RGB monitors by hacking the "jungle chip". See tutorial below:
https://youtu.be/DLz6pgvsZ_I?t=174
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Ok, a couple of questions.
1. what is the largest 4:3 LCD arcade monitor available for a reasonable number?
b. I've got a 27" 800x600 arcade CRT in excellent condition with no burn in whatsoever. What's it worth?
3. Is it really cheaper to do 16:9 and have to deal with the bezels instead of buying a 4:3 monitor?
Please keep the flames to a minimum, I don't get out much...
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Do you realise that you listed your questions as 1, b, 3?
Better questions might be: what are you trying/thinking to do, and why?
If you're thinking to replace an arcade monitor in "excellent condition" with an LCD, is probably not a good idea.