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Arcade Collecting => Pinball => Topic started by: Ken Layton on November 27, 2016, 08:00:42 pm
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I've created a one page listing of all the parts number for modern Williams flipper assemblies. I have noted which parts are particular to System 11 style and which are particular to WPC style.
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I thought about doing the Fliptronic style upgrade for my Pinbot. This brings it to the front again.
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Pinball Life has 95% of the parts needed (and in stock) for most rebuilds and at very reasonable prices.
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Been thinking of picking up this kit: http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=172 (http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=172)
Pinbot would need the SFL 19/400 - 30/750 coil, A-12111 Coil Stop and the SW-1A-194 Normally Open EOS.
I'm a little hesitant because I've never rebuilt a flipper before and getting this seems almost too easy.
So far, I've been pulling apart minor assemblies for cleaning and rebuilding(sleeves, springs) and this would be a big step up.
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Correction. I need the 03-7811 switch. I think..
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Barring a broken part - Cleaning the sleeve, smoothing the plunger with sand paper, and filing the coil stop flat accomplishes like 95% of what a rebuild does and costs nothing.
Changing the flippers on Pin Bot is cheating.
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You want this assembly:
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717 (http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717)
Select coil stop A-10821 and coil # FL23/600-30/2600-50VDC
Pinbot uses 50 volt flipper coils.
When you order the above complete flipper assembly and selected the items I mentioned, it will arrive with everything installed and wired, including the correct EOS switch and the spark suppressing capacitor.
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Barring a broken part - Cleaning the sleeve, smoothing the plunger with sand paper, and filing the coil stop flat accomplishes like 95% of what a rebuild does and costs nothing.
Yes you could do that, but that won't eliminate any "slop" in the assembly. Slop robs the flipper of power and response.
Pinbot is from 1986 and if it hasn't had a flipper rebuild, it's waaaaaayyyy past due. You'll probably find the coil stop is worn down and the plunger excessively worn too. Not to mention the slop in the plastic link or the bolt going through the link. Don't forget the end of stroke switch has had 31 years of sparking to wear it down too. In those days they never put any capacitors on the end of stroke switches. The complete flipper assemblies I linked too have all the updates/upgrades already. The modern units also make it easy to replace an end of stroke switch because the mounting bracket is bolted on not welded.
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You want this assembly:
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717 (http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717)
Select coil stop A-10821 and coil # FL23/600-30/2600-50VDC
Pinbot uses 50 volt flipper coils.
When you order the above complete flipper assembly and selected the items I mentioned, it will arrive with everything installed and wired, including the correct EOS switch and the spark suppressing capacitor.
So you think I should rebuild with that kit instead of the fliptronic style?
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You want this assembly:
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717 (http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717)
Select coil stop A-10821 and coil # FL23/600-30/2600-50VDC
Pinbot uses 50 volt flipper coils.
When you order the above complete flipper assembly and selected the items I mentioned, it will arrive with everything installed and wired, including the correct EOS switch and the spark suppressing capacitor.
So you think I should rebuild with that kit instead of the fliptronic style?
Yes, I think you'll be very happy!
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Slop is caused by a worn out link. Certainly worth inspecting but I've rarely had to replace. If the flippers feel nice and you can make the shots, there's no need to replace any of this. Even if it's 31 years old. I think a lot of owners don't bother with a cleaning attempt and give too much credit to their new parts.
:cheers:
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Slop is caused by a worn out link. Certainly worth inspecting but I've rarely had to replace. If the flippers feel nice and you can make the shots, there's no need to replace any of this. Even if it's 31 years old. I think a lot of owners don't bother with a cleaning attempt and give too much credit to their new parts.
:cheers:
I'm actually pulling it apart assembly by assembly and rebuilding. Cleaning everything and replacing rusted springs and coil sleeves. ;)
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You want this assembly:
http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717 (http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=717)
Select coil stop A-10821 and coil # FL23/600-30/2600-50VDC
Pinbot uses 50 volt flipper coils.
When you order the above complete flipper assembly and selected the items I mentioned, it will arrive with everything installed and wired, including the correct EOS switch and the spark suppressing capacitor.
My flippers do not have the capacitor.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161128/f6bcafcdd2d4763a9749ae7f46f9a49d.jpg)
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Oh God! Your flippers are 100% all original! Looks like they've never been rebuilt. All old style parts. I see tons of wear on the plungers plus you've got the original black plastic links. Needs to have capacitors installed, but with those old style EOS switch brackets, there's no place to mount them.
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the cap is there to surpress the arc across the eos switch
from gotileb system 3 up every mfg used it
or sent out a service bulliten to tell us to add it
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Standard procedure for me now is any solid state machine coming in for service now gets a capacitor on the EOS switch as well as a .1 uf @ 500 volts ceramic disc capacitor across the flipper button (cabinet) switches to keep them from sparking.
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yup
they even ditched there failure of opto switchs (flipper button) and went back to good ol leaf (with cap)
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Oh God! Your flippers are 100% all original! Looks like they've never been rebuilt. All old style parts. I see tons of wear on the plungers plus you've got the original black plastic links. Needs to have capacitors installed, but with those old style EOS switch brackets, there's no place to mount them.
Alright. So I guess I really need to grab those kits you linked. :)
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I checked today and the coil you mentioned is not an option.
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You call them or email them and tell them the coil you want.
Or else just select FL11630 coil. It's the same thing except it for having parallel coil windings and wiring it up is shown here:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-upgradingrebuilding-flippers/page/2#post-453690