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Title: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: bent98 on August 19, 2011, 02:52:21 pm
What is the fastest 3d preforming PCI-E video card with best compatability for Groovy Mame?
Title: Re: Best video card
Post by: kalars123 on August 21, 2011, 12:36:01 am
I Run a 4890 and it works perfectly though calamity had to modify the drivers to get them to work with it, I'm not sure if he has made that change permanent with the drivers he is distributing now, hopefully he can answer.
Title: Re: Best video card
Post by: iori01 on August 25, 2011, 08:21:19 am
Hi Kalars123,

I also have a 4890 but I didn't succesfully install calamity driver.
Can you tell me how did you do it ?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Best video card
Post by: kalars123 on August 26, 2011, 12:57:07 am
here is a link to the modified drives to make the 4890 work. These files were modified by Calamity and not I, I can not provide any support outside of telling you to install them just like his normal driver package.  No warranty is expressed or implied use at your own risk, if you computer becomes self aware and decides to destroy all human's well it's been nice knowing you.

http://www.filesonic.com/file/1763526824 (http://www.filesonic.com/file/1763526824)

this is hosted on a on filesonic without an account so I would snag them while you can they probably won't last long

Bent98 you may want to change the topic header to say "updated drivers for ATI 4890"
Title: Re: Best video card
Post by: newmanfamilyvlogs on August 26, 2011, 08:27:21 am
Here's a mirror without the waiting:
http://cotmm.org/groovy/crt_emudriver_9.3_1.2_x64.7z (http://cotmm.org/groovy/crt_emudriver_9.3_1.2_x64.7z) (17.9mb)

Also made it available as a .zip also, though it's quite a bit bigger:
http://cotmm.org/groovy/crt_emudriver_9.3_1.2_x64.zip (http://cotmm.org/groovy/crt_emudriver_9.3_1.2_x64.zip) (25.4mb)

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on August 29, 2011, 01:46:07 pm
I've updated the drivers so both versions (32/64 bits) support the HD 4890 card, the most powerful video card that has been succesfully tested for GroovyMAME + CRT_Emudriver in Windows.

http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/ (http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/)

The files are:

crt_emudriver_9.3_1.2a_xp32_multisync.rar
crt_emudriver_9.3_1.2a_x64_multisync.rar
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on August 29, 2011, 02:42:28 pm
What, specifically was different about the Radeon HD 4890 that required a driver modification?

Does it affect all the models in the whole Radeon R700 family?...

Radeon HD 4890
Radeon HD 4870
Radeon HD 4860
Radeon HD 4850
Radeon HD 4830
Radeon HD 4770
Radeon HD 4750
Radeon HD 4730
Radeon HD 4670
Radeon HD 4650
Radeon HD 4550
Radeon HD 4350

I have a low-end Radeon HD 4550 based card that is both low-wattage and fanless, which makes it a decent choice for an arcade cabinet, where ventilation is somewhat limited...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102819 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102819)
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on August 29, 2011, 02:46:49 pm
What, specifically was different about the Radeon HD 4890 that required a driver modification?

Probably the HD 4890 model was not available yet when Catalyst 9.3 was released. However, I just needed to add its hardware PCI ID to the driver's installation files to get it supported.

So the driver's binaries are exactly the same (it won't affect previous models at all).
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on August 29, 2011, 03:02:30 pm
I managed to find some fanless Radeon HD 4650 cards on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=T0Y1D (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=T0Y1D)

Apparently, it was a Dell part.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: dmarcum99 on August 29, 2011, 11:06:01 pm
Are there any issues using the cards newer than the 4350 in regards of low dot clocks?  I seem to recall from my days using soft-15khz that the 4350 was the last card produced to achieve low dot clocks...??
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on August 30, 2011, 01:21:35 am
Are there any issues using the cards newer than the 4350 in regards of low dot clocks?

Good question.  The way I understood it, the dot clock limit is based on the actual design of the card and the components used, not the specific chip, though could be wrong.

I wonder if there's any way to test the dot clock and start some sort of list of cards (by exact model number) with low dot clocks.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: lostinarcade on August 31, 2011, 11:09:14 pm
what card would u guys say is best to use for arcade out of these 2.. if u talking about a fanless one...

MSI R5450
http://www.villman.com/Product-Detail/MSI_R5450_MD1GH (http://www.villman.com/Product-Detail/MSI_R5450_MD1GH)
or
ATI Radeon 4350
https://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=69990&cpc=NEWARR (https://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=69990&cpc=NEWARR)

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on August 31, 2011, 11:24:28 pm

MSI R5450
http://www.villman.com/Product-Detail/MSI_R5450_MD1GH (http://www.villman.com/Product-Detail/MSI_R5450_MD1GH)


I don't think the Radeon HD5450 is supported by CRT_EmuDriver...
http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/ (http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/)
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on September 01, 2011, 04:34:56 am
I don't think the Radeon HD5450 is supported by CRT_EmuDriver...
http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/ (http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/)

As krick says the HD5000 family not supported by CRT_EmuDriver (Windows). However, it should work fine under Linux with the GroovyArcade distribution.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: lostinarcade on September 01, 2011, 06:21:49 pm
happy i atleast asked... now i know to stay away from the 5000s... thanks
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on September 02, 2011, 12:25:44 pm
Are there any issues using the cards newer than the 4350 in regards of low dot clocks?  I seem to recall from my days using soft-15khz that the 4350 was the last card produced to achieve low dot clocks...??

Good question.  The way I understood it, the dot clock limit is based on the actual design of the card and the components used, not the specific chip, though could be wrong.

I wonder if there's any way to test the dot clock and start some sort of list of cards (by exact model number) with low dot clocks.

According to the experience with Linux (and the patches done by bitbytebit), the dotclock lower limit seems to be software related. There's probably no physical limitation of the hardware that prevents it from getting lower dotclocks. But drivers limit achievable dotclocks between some upper and lower limits they get from the videocard's rom (not always).

A dotclock is a frequency value. When you request a given dotclock to the driver, it needs to program the PLL dividers, in order to convert the videocard's master clock frequency (i.e. 400 MHz) into the frequency (dotclock) we are requesting. It's an arithmetic problem. Drivers contain specific algorithms to achieve that, which depend on the chipset. So some chipsets may work better with some values than others. The problem here is that not all achievable dotclocks are stable, so picking the right algorithm is critical as this is a common source of troubles for driver developers it seems.

Now, for older ATI cards I've tested (R 9250, R X300), even if they're BIOS sets a limit for their lower dotclocks (which required a specific patch in GroovyArcade), that value seems to be happily ignored by Windows drivers, which admit nearly any imaginable dotclock for these cards.

The problems started with later models of the X family, and for the whole HD 2000 and HD 3000 families. For those cards, Windows drivers seem to use a dotclock's lower limit of around 7 MHz. That makes them not the best choice for emulation, as they will refuse to work with resolutions lower than 384x or 400x, unless you set huge porches to artificially increase the dotclocks required. Fortunately we can still use these cards by creating modes with double width, so Mame will scale the frame and the result will be perfect. But anyway, it's better to pick one card that can natively do really low resolutions, as there are more emulators other than MAME that may not be so smart.

Fortunately, HD 4000 family can, again, do any low dotclock, as it was the case of older cards. We don't have patched drivers for anything above HD 4000, and probably won't, so one card of this family is the best choice if you wan't to have a full working 15 KHz card while still have a relatively modern (or not so ancient at least) card.

Probably that 7 MHz limit of the other cards could be unlocked by patching the Catalyst video drivers, but that could (or could not) be a collosal task, and after all you can get a more modern card from the HD 4000 for a few dollars.

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: strontium on October 20, 2011, 01:47:20 pm
Just so you know, I recently brought a HD 4350 after reading this post as I wanted a little more grunt on my PC. Unfortunately I could not get the card to work  :banghead:, the drivers installed the card was detected but I could not get a sync through my J-Pac. So in my opinion the 4350 does not work. I put my ATI 1300 pro back in my cabinet and it just worked no problems.

Really a shame as now I have to send the card back etc.... It would be really nice to have a definative list of cards that work with calamity drivers (because when they work they really are the best option over others aka soft15khz and arcadevga.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: gabe on October 20, 2011, 02:06:28 pm
Just so you know, I recently brought a HD 4350 after reading this post as I wanted a little more grunt on my PC. Unfortunately I could not get the card to work  :banghead:, the drivers installed the card was detected but I could not get a sync through my J-Pac. So in my opinion the 4350 does not work. I put my ATI 1300 pro back in my cabinet and it just worked no problems.

Really a shame as now I have to send the card back etc.... It would be really nice to have a definative list of cards that work with calamity drivers (because when they work they really are the best option over others aka soft15khz and arcadevga.
Specifically, what 4350 did you get?

There is at least one "4350" made by MSI that was not a true 4350. It used the ATI mobility chipset, and if I recall, it was actually based on an HD5xxx design. This was noted by another member here, and is also noted in the comments at NewEgg, where it was recently on sale:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127544 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127544)

MSI made another TRUE 4350, which does indeed work, as it is actually built to ATI's specs. This model is currently available at TigerDirect:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5083793&SRCCODE=WEBLET03SHIP&cm_mmc=Email-_-WebletMain-_-WEBLET03SHIP-_-03ship (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5083793&SRCCODE=WEBLET03SHIP&cm_mmc=Email-_-WebletMain-_-WEBLET03SHIP-_-03ship)

EDIT: Here is the post in which DaBone outlines the differences:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=111052.msg1179680#msg1179680 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=111052.msg1179680#msg1179680)
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on October 20, 2011, 02:07:08 pm
Just so you know, I recently brought a HD 4350 after reading this post as I wanted a little more grunt on my PC. Unfortunately I could not get the card to work  :banghead:, the drivers installed the card was detected but I could not get a sync through my J-Pac. So in my opinion the 4350 does not work. I put my ATI 1300 pro back in my cabinet and it just worked no problems.

Really a shame as now I have to send the card back etc.... It would be really nice to have a definative list of cards that work with calamity drivers (because when they work they really are the best option over others aka soft15khz and arcadevga.

Hi strontium,

The HD 4350 DOES work, that's sure. It's not so great in performance for 3D games (SF IV won't run at 60Hz with vsync), but the card works and it's the one I used for testing patched drivers indeed.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on October 20, 2011, 02:20:31 pm
The HD 4350 should work.  It's in the list of supported cards on the driver page...

http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/ (http://mario.groovy.org/GroovyMame/WindowsATIDrivers/)

If it wasn't working, then something else might be wrong.

You might want to try running the ATI Catalyst Uninstaller utility before installing the new drivers...

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1275 (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1275)

There might also be a problem with which port on the card you were using.  Did you try both ports?

What desktop resolution were you running?

Was the image on your monitor rolling?  Maybe you just need to fiddle with the vertical hold settings on the monitor.

I'm sure Calamity might have some more ideas.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: strontium on October 20, 2011, 07:11:45 pm
ok guys thanks for the quick responses, I may as well say this straight away you were all right and I was lets say a bit quick out the blocks in saying it did not work. It was not easy to get going I had to use the ATI uninstaller and it did not help having my BIOS set to boot to the onboard first (done for a reason to hide the boot screens) Any way long story short after reading what you guys said and some trial and error I have in deed got the card working. Basically sorry and thanks ha ha  :-[

Any ways off point a little, here is a question for the community. I have replaced my 1300 pro with this 4350 in the hope of it really speeding things up but I have to say my initial thoughts are that it has not made a huge difference. I know that MAME does not use 3D acceleration but I was kinda hoping to see huge improvements in Gradius V on the PS2 emulator and dreamcast games.

Maybe it's early days and I'm just a bit fried from trying to get this working tonight so will assess again tomorrow with a clear head, but would you guys think that the 4350 is a major step up in power over the 1300 pro.

Thanks again

Strontium
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on October 23, 2011, 05:33:23 am
Hi strontium,

You may find this interesting:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php (http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php)

Actually, X1300 PRO and HD4350 have very similar benchmarks it seems.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: lettuce on November 27, 2011, 09:11:21 am
But for MAME (if your only using MAME) do you really need a 4 series HD ATI card??, MAME is all about CPU power not GPU isnt it?? Calamity if you had to say one ATI to get just for MAME use and the best compatabiltiy for GroovyMAME would would you select??

Ive been looking at the ATI x600 256MB......

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2169/x600.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/x600.jpg/)

its dead small which is ideal for the project im thinking of, micro mobo, integrated CPU so really small out lay to plug into a CRT TV is scored on ebay for 5 all connected up via SCART lead
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on November 27, 2011, 10:02:28 am
Yes the X600 should work fine, it does with Soft-15Khz:

http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?7925-Getestete-Grafikkarten&p=81413&viewfull=1#post81413 (http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?7925-Getestete-Grafikkarten&p=81413&viewfull=1#post81413)

You don't need a fancy card for MAME unless you're going to use HLSL (not the case), R 9250 and R X300 are perfect and use the VGA as their primary output, opposite to HD 4000 family, and support Catalyst 6.5 (200 video modes with hacked drivers).
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: lettuce on November 27, 2011, 11:02:36 am
Cheers Calamity, any ideas on the HD3000 cards?, im looking at a mini itx motherbord that has a HD3000 integrated into it?

EDIT looking at the HD3200 integrated card on this mobo........http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?7925-Getestete-Grafikkarten&p=89760&viewfull=1#post89760 (http://community.arcadeinfo.de/showthread.php?7925-Getestete-Grafikkarten&p=89760&viewfull=1#post89760)

Looks like the minimum Pixel-Clock is 7.12MHz and need a custom modeline...what sort of effect would this have in regards to GroovyMAME?
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on November 27, 2011, 11:10:15 am
Cheers Calamity, any ideas on the HD3000 cards?, im looking at a mini itx motherbord that has a HD3000 integrated into it?

Keep away of HD2000 and HD3000 families, they work but can't do low pixel clocks (you wouldn't need to scale 320x resolutions)
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: lettuce on November 27, 2011, 11:14:33 am
Ok, ill still with either X300 or X600 then

So any cards after the HD 2000 series have some resolutions that wont work like under 320x240 for example? So in that instance what is the best performance card to try and get that have all resoultions available to it
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: strith on November 27, 2011, 11:52:41 am
Just bought a XFX Radeon 4550 HD yesterday, but the video on my CGA monitor is scrambled. Do I need a EDID?
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on November 27, 2011, 12:28:00 pm
Ok, ill still with either X300 or X600 then

So any cards after the HD 2000 series have some resolutions that wont work like under 320x240 for example? So in that instance what is the best performance card to try and get that have all resoultions available to it

R 7xxx, 9xxx, X300, X600 work fine

HD 2000, HD 3000, X1xxx low pixel clock problems.

HD 4000 work fine, HD 4890 most powerful supported card so far
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: malted on December 01, 2011, 12:55:16 am
Sounds like HD 4250 (880G) motherboards might be good.  Anyone try one out?
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: cmarion1024 on December 08, 2011, 08:06:58 pm
I have the Gigabyte AMD 790GPT motherboard with ATI Radeon HD 3300 Graphics and 128MB DDR3 SidePort memory.  I just tried it for you and I can confirm it will load Hyperspin, intro video, wheel art, etc.  It will not play any games in MAME, Atari, Sega, NES or SNES.   Just as a reference point.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on December 08, 2011, 11:24:58 pm

You don't need a fancy card for MAME unless you're going to use HLSL (not the case), R 9250 and R X300 are perfect and use the VGA as their primary output, opposite to HD 4000 family, and support Catalyst 6.5 (200 video modes with hacked drivers).


According to Wikipedia, the "Radeon X600 XT" is in the same family as the X300 but has more memory and is quite a bit faster...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units#PCI-E_.28X3xx.2C_X5xx.2C_X6xx.2C_X1xxx_series.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units#PCI-E_.28X3xx.2C_X5xx.2C_X6xx.2C_X1xxx_series.29)

(http://mame.3feetunder.com/byoac/radeon-x300.gif)

You can get them on Ebay starting at $10.  Not sure if the Dell versions will work with standard ATI drivers though.  Dell used to be kind of bad about that sort of thing back in the day.  Not sure about now.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on December 09, 2011, 04:21:08 am
Sorry Krick, I was trying to quote your post and edited it by mistake, deleting the first part, could you please rewrite it?

I've tested some X300 cards shipped with Dell machines and they work fine with standard ATI drivers. I was surprised as had read some issues on that regard.

X600 (and probably others from the X family) should work fine. We tested the X1950 Pro and it can't do low dotclocks, so at some point in the middle they changed something.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: bent98 on December 21, 2011, 08:00:18 am
I managed to find some fanless Radeon HD 4650 cards on ebay...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=T0Y1D (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=T0Y1D)

Apparently, it was a Dell part.

Has anyone tested this card? It's a dell and I want to make sure it will work with the hacked drivers
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on December 22, 2011, 01:50:55 pm
Has anyone tested this card? It's a dell and I want to make sure it will work with the hacked drivers

Sorry, I haven't tried that one, though I'd bet it should work, even if adding its PCI ID was required.

However, I just wanted to take the opportunity and advise against the HD4000 AGP models. We recently found in the italian forum that these cards are not officialy supported by AMD and trying to install the drivers is totally worthless.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: dmarcum99 on January 09, 2012, 07:52:47 am
Shameless bump...but I have listed an ATI 4850 512mb DDR3 (HIS factory overclocked) in the buy/sale section.  This is a great card for the windows/groovymame+Hyperspin crowd.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: ahofle on January 09, 2012, 01:26:26 pm
Shameless bump...but I have listed an ATI 4850 512mb DDR3 (HIS factory overclocked) in the buy/sale section.  This is a great card for the windows/groovymame+Hyperspin crowd.

Dammit I wish you had posted this yesterday...I just bought a crappy 4650 last night for $40 shipped on ebay just for groovymame because my onboard 6000 series won't work.  :angry:
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: dmarcum99 on January 10, 2012, 01:42:02 am
Shameless bump...but I have listed an ATI 4850 512mb DDR3 (HIS factory overclocked) in the buy/sale section.  This is a great card for the windows/groovymame+Hyperspin crowd.

Dammit I wish you had posted this yesterday...I just bought a crappy 4650 last night for $40 shipped on ebay just for groovymame because my onboard 6000 series won't work.  :angry:

Sorry....the card I was waiting on finally showed up on ebay & I bought a fanless 4670 because I don't need that strong of video card for linux groovymame.  I won't tell how much I paid....but you'd say dammit again.   :banghead:
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: milhouse on March 27, 2012, 01:16:50 pm
Is the ATI Radeon HD 4890 still the "fastest" card for Groovymame?  I am currently using an ATI 4650 which is fine for mame, but I'd like to start getting better performance with demul, nulldc etc.  And I am wondering because no one seems to have any ATI Radeon HD 4890's in stock (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006519&isNodeId=1&Description=Radeon+HD+4890&x=13&y=21) and it looks like its been discontinued. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on March 28, 2012, 05:07:22 pm
Yes, the HD 4890 is the fastest card for GroovyMAME I'm afraid. I'd never use such a monster inside a cabinet anyway. By now, and until someone figures out a way to 'unlock' modern cards in a usable way, we're stuck to the HD 4xxx family.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: pyrojoe on April 26, 2012, 10:59:26 pm
Hey guys,

Thinking of buying this for a new cab setup.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127613 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127613)

Any thoughts/concerns?

Also, any real difference between getting a "9.1" card vs. a "6.5" card? Is it just the number of modes that I can create?

Thanks for the feedback!
-Joe
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on April 27, 2012, 04:48:25 am
Hi pyrojoe,

I'm assuming you've read this: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=113885.msg1223378#msg1223378 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=113885.msg1223378#msg1223378)

Well, the purpose of getting a "9.3" card is this driver version supports more modern cards with more powerful GPUs, that's all.

So that depends if you're intending to run stuff like SF IV or any 3D demanding emulator. Anyway, if that's the case, then my advice is to go at least for the HD 4650, because the HD 4350 has very basic specs on this regard (it can't hardly get 60 fps for SF IV with vsync on).

If you're only using MAME and 2D console emulators then you'd probably better stick to R 9250 or X300 and use the 6.5 drivers.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: c0dehunter on May 28, 2012, 03:18:30 am
Hello all,
I have a MSI R4350-MD1GD3H/LP, and I wanted to know if it is a real 4350 or not:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127613 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127613)

Here is a snapshot of its specifics, displayed by GPU-Z:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7271888086/#in/photostream/lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7271888086/#in/photostream/lightbox/)

This is the 1GB DDR3 version, and I can attest that it works, since I am playing KOF 98 on my 1084S-D1 monitor and it looks gorgeous! Your 9.3 drivers installed on WinXP Pro x86 and I also installed Soft 15KHz on top of it (to get additional modelines, such as 384x240)

Nevertheless, to be on t he safe side, judging by the snapshot of my GPU, do you think it is a real 4350 or not?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7271888086/#in/photostream/lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48901682@N02/7271888086/#in/photostream/lightbox/)



Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: iori01 on May 31, 2012, 07:27:10 am
From what I know, RV710 is real 4350  ;)
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: c0dehunter on June 08, 2012, 08:39:35 pm
Thanks!
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Sparki82 on July 16, 2012, 05:41:32 am
Hi all,

Complete noob here, I've been reading this thread and believe that the ATI HD 4890 is still the highest GPU card that will work with groovymame. Is this correct? I found this card online and was wondering if this would work?

http://www.digitan.com.au/product.php?productid=63569&cat=1902&page=10 (http://www.digitan.com.au/product.php?productid=63569&cat=1902&page=10)

And where do I find the latest Emu_drivers for this card? Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated

Thanks


Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: krick on July 16, 2012, 10:52:50 am
I've been reading this thread and believe that the ATI HD 4890 is still the highest GPU card that will work with groovymame. Is this correct?

If you're using CRT_EmuDriver, the fastest ATI card supported is still the 4890 as far as I know.  I think that there are faster cards (possibly from Nvidia as well as ATI) that will work with GroovyMAME if you're using Soft15KHz instead of CRT_EmuDriver, but I'm not really that familiar with the latest and greatest in the Soft15KHz world.

Here's some relevant Soft15KHz threads you should probably read:

Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66402.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66402.0)

What's the difference between Sailorsat's soft15kHz and CRT_Emudriver
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119768.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=119768.0)


And where do I find the latest Emu_drivers for this card? Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated

You can find a CRT_EmuDriver download mirror link in my signature, and there's download locations in the first post of one of the GroovyMAME sticky threads in this forum.


Note that recent testing indicates that you must use D3D mode in GroovyMAME to use the VMMaker "magic resolutions" feature with a 4xxx series ATI card and CRT_EmuDriver, though this doesn't appear to really be a drawback in practical use except in rare edge cases.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Sparki82 on July 17, 2012, 12:53:56 am
Thanks Krick, appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Pixelhugger on October 19, 2012, 12:57:05 pm
I'm building a new computer after my existing repurposed workstation turned out incompatible with AVGA.

I understand that the 4890 is the fastest card currently compatible with CRT Emu driver, but that most testing has been done with a 4350.

Is there any difference in compatibility between the 4890 and 4350. Does the patch raise any possible conflicts?

I'd like to get the faster card to support some of my son's favorite Lego games with higher recommended specs but after the incompatibility problems with AVGA, it has me nervous.

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on October 21, 2012, 07:47:13 am
While I haven't tested the HD 4890 myself, some folks here did and it worked fine for them. From the custom video mode support point of view, all HD 4xxx cards seem to be the same thing. For a cab, I wouldn't use the higher end ones unless you actually need to run non-MAME 3D games, because of the fan and their size.
Title: Garion
Post by: Garion on April 01, 2013, 06:37:21 pm
What, specifically was different about the Radeon HD 4890 that required a driver modification?

Probably the HD 4890 model was not available yet when Catalyst 9.3 was released. However, I just needed to add its hardware PCI ID to the driver's installation files to get it supported.

So the driver's binaries are exactly the same (it won't affect previous models at all).

Is it possible do this with HD4770? Not able to install with 9.3 XP32 due to id.

Edit: Looking inet its PCI ID 1002:94b3

Thanks,

Francisco

P.S.: gracias por tu trabajo y soporte a groovymame.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on April 02, 2013, 05:54:06 pm
Yes, it is possible. It's not difficult actually, just editing some files.

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Garion on April 02, 2013, 06:10:51 pm
Yes, it is possible. It's not difficult actually, just editing some files.

Thanks Calamity.

I tried do that myself editing an inf and an ini, first download official driver, copy the 4770 lines and paste in your driver but..... it didnt work  :dunno

Second I try, as a had a X700SE working with GM and your 9.3, was install the 4770 as a 4890 va control panel. It works perfect. Then I create modelines with vmmaker and reboot. No way.... I get some kind of 15khz because CRT screen detect signal but no picture at all.


Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on April 02, 2013, 06:18:31 pm
Have you tried the DVI output with a DVI-VGA adapter?
Title: Garion
Post by: Garion on April 02, 2013, 07:09:03 pm
Have you tried the DVI output with a DVI-VGA adapter?

Yes, two VGA adapters tested. 4770 only dvi both outputs. If I try adapter via vga to lcd then unsupported frequencies, same via CRT detected signal but black screen. Tomorrow I'll try again. Maybe its due not proper uninstall of 9.3 x700 driver or wrong install due not right 4770 inf (but all later hd47x and 48x use R7x install...)

Tests done without any lcd attached to avoid screen detection on start.

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on April 03, 2013, 04:34:51 pm
Hi Garion,

Post your modified files here (use the attachments), so I can have a look.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Garion on April 03, 2013, 07:12:49 pm
I mod CX_76825.INI and CX_76825.INF but I forgot INSTALL.INI  :banghead:

changes I did:


INSTALL.INI

Calamity install.ini -> None

Reference Ati 9.5 (first I found HD4770)-> twice 94B3

Quote
R6_6=DriverPath_R6_6,0x94B3:0x29001682,0x94C1:0x21741458,0x9405,0x95C5:0x3033148C,0x9613,0x954F,0x95C0:0x3000148C,0x94C3:0x04021028,0x9490,0x94C3:0x11051462,0x9616,0x94C1:0x0D021002,0x94C3:0xE400174B,0x9501:0x25421002,0x95C5:0x01041A93
DriverPath_R6_6=\XP_INF,CX_80257.INF

Quote
R6_9=DriverPath_R6_9,0x94C3:0x01011A93,0x9440:0x24451682,0x9440:0x24441682,0x9440:0x24411682,0x9440:0x24401682,0x94C7,0x9598:0x3000148C,0x94C3:0x22471787,0x9598:0x4580174B,0x94C1,0x94B3,0x94C3:0x11041462,0x9588,0x94C3:0x203817AF
DriverPath_R6_9=\XP_INF,CX_80257.INF


CX_???.INI

Calamity CX_76825.ini -> I add only in bold:

Quote
R6_6=DriverPath_R6_6,0x94B3:0x29001682,0x5B60:0x1B601002,0x4170:0x000C18D4,0x9505:0x3000148C,0x556A,0x9598:0x3001148C,0x5B73:0x30011787,0x7187:0x30001569,0x4150:0x47721002,0x566F:0x148D148C,0x791F,0x94C3:0x03421002,0x4B49:0x00021002,0x7140:0x30001787
DriverPath_R6_6=\XP_INF,CX_76825.INF

and

Quote
R6_9=DriverPath_R6_9,0x7162:0x2162148C,0x3E70:0x0000147B,0x71A7:0x30011545,0x95C5:0x301017AF,0x5D6F:0x2161148C,0x4175,0x5E6D,0x554B:0x125018BC,0x7146:0x03221002,0x94B3,0x5B60:0x060018BC,0x5549:0x153218BC,0x7166:0x300117AF,0x554F:0x21361458
DriverPath_R6_9=\XP_INF,CX_76825.INF

Taken from reference 9.5 driver CX_80257.INI

CX_???.INF

Calamity CX_76825.INF -> I add between HD4670 and 4800 two sentences:

Quote
"ATI Radeon HD 4770" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3&SUBSYS_1170174B
"ATI Radeon HD 4770" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3

but in Reference 9.5 CX_80257.INF the SUBSYS is different from my SUBSYS I saw in hardware info (control panel xp). I think I test both subsys but lot of things done and I can remember 100%.  In official ATI Driver 2 sentences but:

Quote
"ATI Radeon HD 4770" = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3&SUBSYS_29001682
"ATI Radeon HD 4770 " = ati2mtag_R7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_94B3

As you see really I try do this myself but if you can help it would be appreciated.

I attach my mod files.

regards

Garion
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Garion on April 05, 2013, 05:30:18 pm

finally I mod the install  ;D

works perfect with HD4770
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on April 05, 2013, 05:35:06 pm
Great! So what did you do?
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Garion on April 05, 2013, 07:04:13 pm
Great! So what did you do?

what I wrote a couple days ago + mod the install.ini I forgot + and as I didnt know what SUBSYS was right I include both (my HD4470 subsys and standard HD4770 in 9.5 driver)

Im posting now from 640x480 Trinitron Pal (testing some mame.ini ranges from old "scart thread" and trinitron crts). Lets see.

Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: Calamity on April 06, 2013, 11:36:46 am
Ah ok. Sorry for the late response. It's good that you already figured it out. It's better not specifying the subsystem at all, so all subsystems are accepted.
Title: Re: Best video card (Radeon HD 4890)
Post by: CzechMate on August 23, 2020, 11:48:07 am
Hello people!I'm new in the forum and I'm trying to download the calamity's MODIFIED DRIVERS for my ATI HD4890 but the files which were uploaded by you (drivers for WINx86 & WINx64) are not available anymore. Please, could anyone upload them again? Thanks in advance