The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Monitor/Video Forum => Topic started by: Todd H on May 17, 2004, 08:58:25 pm
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Anybody here tried the Neotec NT-500DXB7 27" monitor? According to their website, it does 15.75, 24.8, 31.5 ~ 38 KHz. A possible alternative to the D9200?
http://www.neotecgraphic.com/trisync-27.htm (http://www.neotecgraphic.com/trisync-27.htm)
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Nice specs! Would indeed seem like a good alternative to the D9200. Anyone know of a EU-sources to buy this monitor? Or, dare I ask, Dutch dealerships for this brand?
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Cool.
Anyone have info about availability, pricing, etc.?
Any indication it can switch resolutions on-the-fly? I couldn't find anything about that on the site...
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The next inevitable question...
"Ok it looks good... Now where do I get one?"
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The next inevitable question...
"Ok it looks good... Now where do I get one?"
Oops, did I leave that one out? ;D
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http://www.neotecgraphic.com/customer_service.htm (http://www.neotecgraphic.com/customer_service.htm)
Looks like they have offices in Chicago and California.
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Do you suppose they sell factory-direct or what? I was looking for a retailer... All I found were the 19" monitors for sale.
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I've e-mailed them with our questions. As soon as I get a response I'll post it here.
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Happ Controls is a Neotec distributor. I suppose you could phone Neotec and ask for more details/specs on this monitor and the names of some dealers. Who knows---maybe Neotec will sell direct?
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Looks like Kevin at Retroblast is on the case as well. But who is this Tony Papa that is stealing my credit? ;D
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Ok...how did I steal your thunder? ;D
Anyway...looking forward to someone posting experience with this monitor...I did call their California office and they do sell direct...$440 for the 27" Trisync.
TP
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Here's the reply I got:
Dear Mr. Hendrix,
1. NT-500DXB7 is trisync monitor the frequency is automatically running from
15.75 to 38Khz, the only thing just switch the signal in-put cable when your
using VGA or S-VGA mode. CGA and EGA is 6 pin Molex connector, VGA and S-VGA
is 15 pin D-SUB connector.
2.We do sell directly to business, for public customer we have distributor
in Chicago. you can contact
Company name: PAL
234 W. Devon Ave.
Bensenville, IL 60106
Dick Gilreath
Tel:630-616-9499
Fax:630-616-9610
3. The unit price is 500.00 for each.
Best regards
Joseph Wu
The $500 price is different than the $440 quoted to Tony though.
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Well I guess I did not in fact identify myself as a "person" and not a "business" so I guess if I pursued the purchase that would eventually be exposed...I guess we now know that the mark up per unit is $60 when purchased through a distributor. Will AdvanceMame run the unit at 15kHz through the VGA 15 pin connector? I have medium res Neotec 27" unit in my San Francisco Rush and it seems to be a nice unit (although I need to keep adjusting the focus pot on the monitor board which is a pain)
TP
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Looking at the D9200 specs, I see that it also says the CGA/EGA connector is the 0.156 center header connector. How does it work on the D9200 with an ArcadeVGA? Do you use the VGA conncector or the 6-pin Molex connector?
The specs on these two monitors are eerily identical, except for the fact that the Neotec does 800x600 and goes up to 38 KHz. I'm eager to see what this bad boy will do. Hopefully it's more reliable than the D9200. :)
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Like the D9200 and Neotec, my Hantarex Polostar also has both a 15-pin VGA connector and a 6-pin Molex. The VGA connector accepts 15kHz and 25kHz just fine.
The 6-pin Molex is actually for connecting an arcade PCB since the voltage levels coming from an arcade board are different from VGA.
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Do they sell direct to individuals in the US and what is the price?
TP
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Hey! It looks like I should drop in more often.
The US Distributor ("PAL") for the NeoTec NT-500DXB7 monitor is actually Wico:
http://www.wicothesource.com/new2/pages/page73.htm (http://www.wicothesource.com/new2/pages/page73.htm)
Cost is $499.99 (+ whatever shipping)
I still haven't been able to find out mounting specs, but I'm guessing it's a "drop-in" replacement that should work fine in place of the D9200.
More details as I find them out.
Kevin
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I've got the money for either one of these or a 9200..
I'd love to get this one since it's 800x600 rated.
But who can tell me if it can handle switching refresh rates on the fly or if it can take 15k on the db15hd?
Later,
dabone
(And I'm probally not gonna be able to resist ordering much longer :) )
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Over in the SlikStik forums "infinitearcades" just mentioned he ordered one of the Neotec monitors:
http://forums.slikstik.com/index.php?showtopic=265 (http://forums.slikstik.com/index.php?showtopic=265)
He's promised to report back on his findings.
Kevin
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I need to keep adjusting the focus pot on the monitor board which is a pain)
TP
Ive seen this before when I used to work at an arcade. To keep the focus clear (or any of the other adjustments that stray)... adjust it, then use a hot glue gun and glue the pot in place by trailing it from the knob to the base. Do not need too much... as you may need to remove it again someday in the distant future.
It seems that sometimes the pots that are in these things are a bit 'loose' and vibrations will cause them to move.
You can see that some of these pots are already hot glued in place. Some use something like locktite as well, i think.
I excitedly await info on these new monitors ! ^_^
Kev, see if you can get one for video review...
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The most important question to ask them is, does it have on-screen display and a memory which remembers settings for each resolution (as do PC monitors and the D9200)
Some full-range monitors don't have this which means you have to adjust the controls every time you switch resolutions from 15 to 31 etc.
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I'm gonna find out soon what this monitor does..
I'm ordering mine in the morning.
At the worst I leave my arcade vga card in 15k only mode.
Later,
dabone
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Xiaou2, I'm working on getting a review unit, but don't hold your breath...
dabone, please be sure and let us all know how it goes if you do order one!
Kevin
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Any chance we'll get some kind of feedback before 5/31?...that's when the Happ Vision Pro 27" sale is over...regularly 499 on sale for 399.
TP
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I too thought about the Neotec trisync. Getting straight answers from them is tough though. The tech support guy I talked to said there is a dip switch that has to be changed when switching between 15k and 31k. Who knows if this is really the case if you constantly use the vga hookup, I wasn't really confident in the answers I get from them. Also the D9200 does 800x600 rather nicely although they do not advertise it. It will also do 1024x768 interlaced although at this res it doesn't look so hot (flickers). I ended up with the D9200 for the very reason that there is a lack of info for the neotec. Was also concerned about not being able to save the adjustments for the different resolutions.
hope this helps
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Ok, I called neotec today and spoke to a tech both in CA and in IL.
Both of them said that the monitor is the type you have to power down and change the jumper to select the sync rate.
(I still don't think they can grasp what we want to do with these monitors, but thats beside the point)
I chickened out and ordered my 9200. I then called and specified Truck shipping on a pallet. Hopefully this will prevent most of the damage most users have been reporting.
(I work for a computer dist, so we get trucks in every day, pallets are no problem here.. :) )
Sorry, but I just couldn't take the 500 gamble that it would autosync.
Later,
dabone
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Its not the shipping. It the poor design/ assembly ..ect.
the components arnt reliable.
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Ok, I called neotec today and spoke to a tech both in CA and in IL.
Both of them said that the monitor is the type you have to power down and change the jumper to select the sync rate.
(I still don't think they can grasp what we want to do with these monitors, but thats beside the point)
I chickened out and ordered my 9200. I then called and specified Truck shipping on a pallet. Hopefully this will prevent most of the damage most users have been reporting.
(I work for a computer dist, so we get trucks in every day, pallets are no problem here.. :) )
Sorry, but I just couldn't take the 500 gamble that it would autosync.
Later,
dabone
I spoke to them also about the 19" 500Dxi9 and the guy said that it auto switch between CGA and EGA but if you want to use VGA, you need to set that up manually. I called the one in Pomona CA. Until now I had the impression that they don't know thier monitors. So, I may have to call again next week and just ask again.
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I just found another arcade monitor option, one that looks better than the NeoTec:
27" Digital Multisync monitor:
Betson Imperial 44-4070-40
http://www.betson.com/betson%20parts%20catalog.pdf (http://www.betson.com/betson%20parts%20catalog.pdf) (page 84)
It's a multisync and supports 15Khz-40Khz
This may be what we've been looking for.
Kevin
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I'm not too impressed with the service from betson, I just sent in a 4050 chassis, they took 4 weeks to get back with me and tell me they can get any parts for it.
(Now if the manufacturer doesn't have parts, how am I susposed to find any!)
Later,
dabone
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Betson-Imperial and Imperial International monotors are in reality Kortek monitors. If you have trouble getting assistance from Imperial, call Kortek's USA office in Nevada at (775) 359-2205.
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Another tri-sync monitor worth investigating is the Weiya/Huai I Electronics/Eygo model M31 series. It is available in several picture tube sizes in both standard horizontal frame and universal style frame. You can even buy it as a 'retrofit' chassis. Check it out at www.weiya.com.tw/monitor/p8.htm
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Has anyone tried out any of the above alternatives???
Thanks.
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This thread was going so well....
its been a few months, this is a bump to see if anyone has went w/ the neotec or Eygo models mentioned in this thread and what their experience has been.
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I'd still like someone to find where to buy those replacement chassis.
I called Victor at 8liners and he didn't know what I was talking about.
Anybody have the part numbers for the chassis only for the 19" and 27" chassis?
I'll email him and see if he can get a few with the next cargo container.
Later,
dabone
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This is certainly a newbie monitor question, I know, but why can't the Multisync chassis listed right under the Betson Imperial 27" monitor in their catalog (page 84) be used with TV tubes like the 8liners chassis?
Ben
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This is certainly a newbie monitor question, I know, but why can't the Multisync chassis listed right under the Betson Imperial 27" monitor in their catalog (page 84) be used with TV tubes like the 8liners chassis?
Ben
This may be a simplistic answer, but Standard TV tubes are of the same resolution as Standard arcade monitors. But multisync monitors require a higher resolution tube (not just the electronics driving the tube).
But this does pose a more interesting question for me as I just replaced a 29" std/med monitor with a new Betson multisync. The original monitor tube is in perfect condition (no burn or problems, very bright)...but the PCB is whats pretty old and crappy. I wonder if I could buy the Betson multisync pcb and hook it to this tube. At least for resale purposes it may be worth it for me.
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This may be a simplistic answer, but Standard TV tubes are of the same resolution as Standard arcade monitors.
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I bet the difference will be in the yolk,
The tube doesn't need anything except enough dot pitch to handle the input.
Now the yolk needs to be able to work at all the frequencies.
Later,
dabone
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I bet the difference will be in the yolk,
The tube doesn't need anything except enough dot pitch to handle the input.
Now the yolk needs to be able to work at all the frequencies.
Yep, now that sounds correct. Thanks!
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Lets all contact Neotec and harass them into allowing Retroblast to review it! :D :D :D
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Did anyone find out if this will automatically switch between 15-31hz & if it does save its screen position like the d9200. If not any other suggestions. I need it be 19" though
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Lets all contact Neotec and harass them into allowing Retroblast to review it! :D :D :D
I've decided that my monitor reviewing days are behind me - even assembling the Quasicade cab (with 27" TV) left me in pain for days.
My back surgery has forced me to make some hard life choices, and even cab reviews are pushing my limits. Kinda sucks, but when I made the decision to have the operation, it was a choice between life-long lifting restrictions (25-30 lbs) or not being able to walk at all.
I think I made the right choice...now, any one have any nice, light joysticks they'd like reviewed? ;)
Kevin
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What if everyone chipped in and bought you a giant robot in the shape of a ninja?
It could help you with the heavy lifting and even fight off unwanted intruders with his flamethrower/Samauri Sword of Doom! ;D ;D ;D
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;D You gotta love giant ninja robot review assistants! ;D
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Did anyone find out if this will automatically switch between 15-31hz & if it does save its screen position like the d9200. If not any other suggestions. I need it be 19" though
I have yet to find one. I may just end up getting a u3100. It seems unless you are willing to move up in size you are outta luck. :(
I like the "oldies" so the 19" is what I want.
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pity I can only fit 19" in my cab. The u3100 looks the same as my hantarex polo 3. I need multisync
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pity I can only fit 19" in my cab. The u3100 looks the same as my hantarex polo 3. I need multisync
Bumping this thread in the hopes there are some new options in the 19" multisync realm. From what I can gather there isn't, but here's hoping.
~telengard