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Title: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: vwalbridge on July 14, 2016, 10:39:13 am
(https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/9d3a439cd28db0ecee672488c65a879c/204078770/download+%281%29.jpg)

Nintendo is releasing a miniature NES with 30 built-in games (http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/14/12187296/nintendo-nes-classic-edition-announced-price-games)

- comes with 30 games built in
- You can connect it to your TV via a HDMI cable
- includes a controller designed to work just like the original NES gamepad (The new controller will also connect to a Wii Remote)
- multiple suspend points
- available on November 11th for $59.99

One can only hope for an i/o port on this thing for *cough* future expansion.  ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on July 14, 2016, 10:47:50 am
Was just about to make a new thread after seeing this on PC World article - ( http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095790/hardware/nintendos-releasing-a-miniature-nes-console-packed-with-30-classic-games.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3095790/hardware/nintendos-releasing-a-miniature-nes-console-packed-with-30-classic-games.html) )

Interesting little device and for $60 seems to be a good deal - though it should include the 2nd controller rather than them hitting you up for an extra $10 for that.

And the game list is pretty good also and since it's an actual Nintendo release the games should play pretty much like the originals and through HDMI as well  - Wonder how long after release it will take for someone to make a MAME/RPi project out of it ! :dunno


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 14, 2016, 10:56:51 am
Be a lot cooler if it had a cartridge slot.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on July 14, 2016, 12:44:00 pm
Be a lot cooler if it had a cartridge slot.
Agreed  :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 14, 2016, 12:51:08 pm
It seems to miss the point on a lot of stuff. 

The gamepad has the wii/wii u connector on the end, meaning that your old gamepads won't work.  There's no cart slot, ect ect...

My suggestion is to wait for it to come out and see if it's running actual NES hardware and/or if a cart slot can be hacked in.  Even with extensive soldering, this would be a good alternative to the costly nes rgb mods IF a cart slot can be added.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 14, 2016, 12:52:51 pm
Probably dusty, unsold WiiU motherboards shoved in this thing running Virtual Console.

I highly doubt this will support additional games in any form.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 14, 2016, 12:55:33 pm
More likely it would be dusty, unsold wii mini motherboards.  That thing bombed so hard they are still filling in the crater.  Yeah I can get a Wii with NGC and online support, or get the mini without that for the same price.... lol I hope they fired whoever came up with that one. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 01:09:34 pm
No cart slot/expansion slot? GTFO.

Although I read an article that said you COULD use original controllers.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Nephasth on July 14, 2016, 01:14:00 pm
Looking forward more to the AVS...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 14, 2016, 01:36:50 pm
LOL!  I just noticed, even this thing doesn't support Castlevania 3

#HarassPBJ

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on July 14, 2016, 01:42:52 pm
Although I read an article that said you COULD use original controllers.

Don't think so -- I think you read this section wrong :

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If you already have a Classic Controller or Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, you can use that controller instead of buying another one.

SO it can use the Wii classic controller which plugs into the wiimote not the original NES controllers.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 01:43:33 pm
Although I read an article that said you COULD use original controllers.

Don't think so -- I think you read this section wrong :

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If you already have a Classic Controller or Classic Controller Pro for the Wii, you can use that controller instead of buying another one.

SO it can use the Wii classic controller which plugs into the wiimote not the original NES controllers.
You may be right.  Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 14, 2016, 01:47:52 pm
Only 30 games though? No battletoads no deal.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 02:32:46 pm
Yeah, only 14  of the games interest me.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on July 14, 2016, 03:06:31 pm
You may be right.  Thanks for the clarification.

I read it the same way as you the first time but then looking at the pic of the system noticed it used the wii type connection and not the old NES style and didn't figure they'd include some type of adapter that would cost them a bit to include and also lose the extra $10 sale they can get for the second controller !  :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Vigo on July 14, 2016, 03:30:25 pm
Will be hard to justify when I own all but 5 games on the list. Maybe it will be hackable.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 14, 2016, 03:36:35 pm
Will be hard to justify when I own all but 5 games on the list. Maybe it will be hackable.
I'd be interested if it gets hacked.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 14, 2016, 03:37:47 pm
100% guaranteed this won't be hackable.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 03:44:25 pm
100% guaranteed this won't be hackable.
I'm in agreement with this statement.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 14, 2016, 04:00:49 pm
Eh I dunno..... I mean the wii and wii u were hacked fairly easily.  It basically depends upon if it's possible to get at the OS or not. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 14, 2016, 04:04:34 pm
I see this as more of a gimmick "toy" aimed at hipsters. I don't feel like they are going to put a whole lot of effort into protection for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on July 14, 2016, 05:11:27 pm
Anything (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/after-20-years-a-new-hack-gets-around-the-sega-saturns-copy-protection/) can be hacked. It might take a while... but nerds are always looking for the next challenge.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 05:19:07 pm
Enh.... if I want to play NES games that badly, I'll get an NES. I have a CRT, so I'm golden.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 14, 2016, 05:19:31 pm
Eh, I think this is going to be more along the lines of one of those TV joysticks.  Small PCB with a big epoxy solder blob on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 05:25:13 pm
I got pretty excited when I heard the Atari Flashback 2 was hackable.... until I looked into it and saw a using an original Atari and a Harmony Cart was easier.

I get the "I love the challenge!!!1!!" mentality. I'm the same way. But I'm also at the point in my life/in this hobby where I'm not going to needlessly complicate things,  either. I'll live vicariously through you dudes.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Vigo on July 14, 2016, 05:55:29 pm
Eh, I think this is going to be more along the lines of one of those TV joysticks.  Small PCB with a big epoxy solder blob on it.

It's HDMI, so I am guessing there will be a little more going on under the hood. I get what you are saying though. Even though demand on these things would skyrocket the minute they are known to be hackable, I doubt Nintendo would listen to that music.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 14, 2016, 06:32:55 pm
Strangely enough, one of the easiest ways (aside from the pi or a pc of course) to play nes games with rgb is to mod a n64.  They have a pretty good nes emulator for it that works with all the flash carts. 

I was actually serious when I said that the console probably has wii mini guts.  A nes gamepad can be manufactured for around a dollar or less at this point.... so to use the needlessly complicated serial chip found in the wii/wii u doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless the console's pcb is already setup for it. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 09:27:41 pm
Funny, I had never seen a Wii Mini before you guys mentioned them.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 14, 2016, 11:19:14 pm
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 14, 2016, 11:28:20 pm
I bet I get one of these NESes for Christmas.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 15, 2016, 12:05:21 am
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine.
I'm already seeing them at goodwill and other thrift stores for 30 bucks
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Yenome on July 15, 2016, 12:13:08 am
I already have a launch wii softmodded so got all the nes i need. tho not through hdmi but CRT or go home on classics
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 15, 2016, 12:29:17 am
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine.
I'm already seeing them at goodwill and other thrift stores for 30 bucks

I think it must be a regional thing... the only video game related thing I've ever got at ours is a plug n' play game, and a bad one at that.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 15, 2016, 11:27:59 am
I might end up picking a mini up after they are at bargain basement prices.  Despite the obvious drawbacks they are a sharp looking machine.
I'm already seeing them at goodwill and other thrift stores for 30 bucks

I think it must be a regional thing... the only video game related thing I've ever got at ours is a plug n' play game, and a bad one at that.
Man that sucks. They have a ps2, original xbox, gamecube, or a wii every time I go. I live in GA BTW.  They always charge 30 for a console and 20 for hand held.  ( most of the time it's just a wii or a Nds)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 15, 2016, 11:33:00 am
Did the hackers ever get the menu system cleaned up on the Wii? 

Drove me nuts that you had to navigate that thing by waving the remote.

It'd be nice if they could get it customized to the level of XBMC and CoinOps.....

My wife wants one of these mini-NES things.  Doesn't matter we've got 50 devices that can emulate the ROMs laying around the house.  Don't underestimate the appeal of plug and play.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on July 15, 2016, 12:18:36 pm
Don't underestimate the appeal of plug and play.

+1 The average Joe is going to eat this thing up simply for this reason alone.

And $60 is a a deal. I know its not necessarily a fair comparison, but if you tried to collect all 30 of these games on eBay, you are going to be in it for well over $60.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 15, 2016, 12:22:01 pm
Or get the multicart that's readily available at major internet retailers.... :D

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 15, 2016, 12:33:56 pm
Or add all the roms to your hacked Wii for $0 and go to town!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 15, 2016, 02:04:15 pm
Yeah I made tools a million years ago to properly inject roms, screenshot and all, into the official virtual console emulator.  It just becomes impractical if you want to put a whole set on there. 

pbj:  not sure what you mean man... you can navigate the wii menu via the classic controller or a sideways wiimote as well as via the pointer.  I think via the analog stick of a nunchuck as well.  It's always been that way afaik. 

I honestly don't think it's a bad value, for the record.  It's 60 dollars, so that's two bucks a game and that doesn't even include the cost of the unit or the gamepad.  They also managed, unlike most plug n play systems, to actually have a solid gamelist.  Sure I prefer some of those titles over others, but there isn't a single stinker on the list. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 15, 2016, 02:35:15 pm
It's entirely possible they corrected that.  My Wii is running some very old system menu because I didn't want to lose MP3 playback functionality... and I haven't turned it on in probably 5 years.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: bigster on July 16, 2016, 09:21:30 am
Maybe a little off topic but what is best option to play nes games through HDMI port?  PC emu or wii u?

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 16, 2016, 01:05:17 pm
By "best" to you mean cheapest, easiest, or an objectively better experience?

If you already have a pc lying around you just need some 5 dollar usb gamepads and/or nes to usb adaptors and you are good to go, aside from having to download an emulator and a front end. 

The Wii U is easier, but NES games are 5 bucks a pop and they haven't even released as many Wii U virtual console games as they did on the original Wii. 

It should be noted that they sell Wii multi out to hdmi adaptors for as little as 3 dollars on eBay/Aliexpress, so the Wii might be the better option depending upon your situation. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 16, 2016, 03:08:39 pm
By "best" to you mean cheapest, easiest, or an objectively better experience?

If you already have a pc lying around you just need some 5 dollar usb gamepads and/or nes to usb adaptors and you are good to go, aside from having to download an emulator and a front end. 

The Wii U is easier, but NES games are 5 bucks a pop and they haven't even released as many Wii U virtual console games as they did on the original Wii. 

It should be noted that they sell Wii multi out to hdmi adaptors for as little as 3 dollars on eBay/Aliexpress, so the Wii might be the better option depending upon your situation.
Don't forget you can softmod the wii channel the same way as the original  wii. And now put homebrew channel on the wii u menu as well. Haven't tried emulation on them so I can't speak for how good it is.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 16, 2016, 06:29:59 pm
The emulator used on the wii is a damn fine one.  The problem is these nuts that equate sharp, blocky pixels to being "better" don't like it.  Nintendo decided to put just a hint of blur on the filter to make it look a bit softer.... like it would have back in the day, and some people hate that.  Also, the nes "flicker" caused by having too many sprites on the screen at once is in tact.  Again, this is 100% accurate, but some people don't care for it.  There are homebrew emulators available for both consoles of course that would alleviate these issues. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 16, 2016, 07:56:57 pm
Back on topic, I decided to get myself one of these little guys.  It's at that price where it's totally acceptable to get it just for the sake of getting it.  It's kind of like my pirate carts... they are just fun to have. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 16, 2016, 08:19:03 pm
Back on topic, I decided to get myself one of these little guys.  It's at that price where it's totally acceptable to get it just for the sake of getting it.  It's kind of like my pirate carts... they are just fun to have.
Take that bad boy apart when you get it. Let's see what's under the hood.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on July 16, 2016, 08:24:45 pm
Back on topic, I decided to get myself one of these little guys.  It's at that price where it's totally acceptable to get it just for the sake of getting it.  It's kind of like my pirate carts... they are just fun to have.
Where'd you order it?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 16, 2016, 10:40:51 pm
I haven't ordered it yet... afaik it isn't available for pre order yet.  I'll probably get it at gamestop or Walmart ahead of time when it becomes available. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 16, 2016, 11:31:59 pm
PlZ go back to reddit with that "little guy" stuff, but thank you for being the sacrificial wallet.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: bootsector on July 18, 2016, 06:26:31 am
Can't wait to plug a KADE miniConsole+ on this thing and being able to not only using original NES pads with it plus original SNES pads too!  ::)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 18, 2016, 09:42:17 am
Conversely, it'd also be nice if we could cut the plug off them and use them on real hardware, or convert to USB.  I've yet to use an NES repro controller I thought was worth a damn.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on July 18, 2016, 10:27:11 am
I've yet to use an NES repro controller I thought was worth a damn.

You're welcome. (http://www.nes30.com/)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 18, 2016, 11:51:10 am
For the record, that's not a nes repro gamepad.  That's a bastardization hybrid between a nes and snes gamepad.  Two buttons or GTFO!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 18, 2016, 12:05:27 pm
The price of that exceeds my interest in the endeavor.  With some scrubbing and a light sand papering of the contacts, I got my dog bone back to acceptable performance. 



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on July 18, 2016, 12:11:11 pm
That's a bastardization hybrid between a nes and snes gamepad.

You say that like it's a bad thing?  ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on July 18, 2016, 12:12:59 pm
dog bone

Worst NES pad ever made. Never understood the appeal of it. Button angle is so wrong.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 18, 2016, 03:51:45 pm
That's a bastardization hybrid between a nes and snes gamepad.

You say that like it's a bad thing?  ;)

That's because it is.  It has the horrible ergonomics of the nes pad, only now with more buttons at odd angles.  If you are going to add that many buttons, it just makes more sense to go with a snes design, which I believe they also sell. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 18, 2016, 03:53:57 pm
The price of that exceeds my interest in the endeavor.  With some scrubbing and a light sand papering of the contacts, I got my dog bone back to acceptable performance.

I saw a tip on this one guy's site that cleans/repairs old consoles to resell.  If you take the rubber contacts and rub them on typing paper until they stop leaving marks it does a remarkable job.  Unlike sanding, you don't have the risk of wearing down the contacts. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 18, 2016, 04:02:17 pm
I'm sure that works but you're effectively sanding the contacts.....

Anyway, I like the dog bone.  Hurts my hands less.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 18, 2016, 04:48:58 pm
I used my wife's nail file once to clean contacts on a game
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 18, 2016, 09:50:10 pm
I'm sure that works but you're effectively sanding the contacts.....

Anyway, I like the dog bone.  Hurts my hands less.

Yes an extremely fine "sandpaper."  Finer than what you are going to be able to buy and therefore it's a better solution as it's less damaging to the pads.  I've used the technique on all of my old gamepads and it works great. 

I have no issues with the dog bone, but I've never had the nes pad hurt my hands either.  I think some of you guys must hold your gamepad in a death grip or something. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on July 21, 2016, 01:55:09 pm
Nintendo just released this video promoting the NES Classic Edition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=qAGVilt3Rls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=qAGVilt3Rls)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 21, 2016, 03:15:12 pm
Awesome!  Too bad they ruined all the retro goodness with the modern music in the vid.  Also -10 for not getting the scary transformers narrator to do the tag line, but since I'm pretty sure he's dead I'll reduce that to a -5  (I could have done it. ;) )

I wished they would have shown a bit more in terms of the interface though... I'm not sure if that one bit was how the menu is going to look or what.  I've just got a feeling that it's going to be fairly trivial to solder something on and add games to this.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Slippyblade on July 21, 2016, 03:18:00 pm
I've just got a feeling that it's going to be fairly trivial to solder something on and add games to this.

Here's hoping
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Le Chuck on July 21, 2016, 03:22:58 pm
Tangential but not off topic - anybody ever try/have one of those AtGames Sega boxes that played 80 something different games, had wireless controllers, and played carts?  They're going for $60 but I read the sound was garbage.   
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 21, 2016, 03:54:59 pm
Yeah I've got one.  They aren't all that great, but at the same time they aren't nearly as terrible as sega purists make them out to be.  The sound is different, but not horrible.  The model with the wireless gamepads is garbage as they are using IR to transmit the data (like your tv remote) so they don't work unless you are pointing the gamepad right at the unit.  Also flash carts and oddball "special" carts won't run on it.  That being said, you get 40 decent games (not 80... 40 of them are homebrew junk) for 30 bucks which isn't a bad deal. 

The thing is... no rgb out, so it isn't going to look that great on a modern tv.  Heck you don't even get stereo sound.  These things retail for around 30 bucks and a real genesis can be had for the same price.  So get a genesis, spend an extra 40 or so and get a flash cart for it. 

It's exactly the same deal with the atgames Atari and other similar units.  They are ok, but generally not up to the standards that us gaming nuts expect. 

The reason people are flipping over the NES mini is the hdmi out.  Since it takes costly, extreme, modifications to get rgb out of a nes this is a big deal. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: bootsector on July 21, 2016, 04:37:03 pm
I didn't see any scanlines!!! WTF??

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Slippyblade on July 21, 2016, 07:04:01 pm
So get a genesis, spend an extra 40 or so and get a flash cart for it. 

Where are you shopping?  I'm seeing $80 and up for these things.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on July 21, 2016, 08:41:56 pm
So get a genesis, spend an extra 40 or so and get a flash cart for it. 

Where are you shopping?  I'm seeing $80 and up for these things.
China
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 21, 2016, 09:21:11 pm
Yeah I've lived with my everdrive clone for a few months now... works great and I paid I think 42 bucks on amazon.com for it.  I liked it so much that I ordered another from the same seller for the n64.  It was a tad bit pricier but still not horrible.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on July 22, 2016, 10:28:00 am
Any type of menu on those things or is it just lists of ROM titles....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 22, 2016, 12:04:37 pm
It's just a list of files unfortunately.  I wanted to try and write/hack something a little better, but Krizz put some sort of bootleg check on the menu so I don't think I can update the OS safely. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: mike boss on September 09, 2016, 08:30:44 pm
I think for the novelty I'd pick this up for sure!
In Canada I think it will retail for $80 + 13% sales tax.

As said on here I probably have a dozen or so ways (systems, pc's, etc) that can emulate the NES.... but I still want it !
I just think it's neat.

However (also as mentioned here) I really like these SD Card Cart's. Such a cool way to use the original hardware.
I wanted to get one for my Genesis, but since it was the @Games version I did not.

The N64 one is the one I really want.

EDIT - I wonder if this would be available @ Bed Bath And Beyond. That is where I got the @Games stuff in the past.
It's good because they always have 20% off coupons.

Is it just me, or when word of this Mini NES was released was it not said to have 40 games ?
I could have sworn that is what I was told (or read). I thought I even saw a gameslist as such.

EDIT 2 - Do you guys think a SNES or N64 version would ever follow ?

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 10, 2016, 12:58:17 am
I think Nintendo is doing some very un Nintendo moves presently because the holiday season is coming up, the new Zelda isn't ready yet, and the NX won't be out until spring.  This little do-dad prints money for them so if we get another soley depends upon if they feel they need the added cash.  I could maybe see a snes, but a n64 is unlikely.  Just a gut feeling.

It's possible at one point the system was supposed to have more games.  Konami seems to have really offered up some strange choices, so my guess is those negotiations were tough. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on September 10, 2016, 07:16:31 pm
A snes one would be cool. Not really interested in the Nes one, but I will probably eventually own one. I just hope the controls are better than the original nes. Let's face it, they weren't that great. And I'm talking about the actual button pressing not the shape.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on September 12, 2016, 01:08:42 pm
A snes one would be cool. Not really interested in the Nes one, but I will probably eventually own one. I just hope the controls are better than the original nes. Let's face it, they weren't that great. And I'm talking about the actual button pressing not the shape.
I take that back about the Nes controller. I just cleaned up the board with some fine sandpaper this morning and it works great now. I guess I was just use to worn controllers.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 12, 2016, 01:13:12 pm
I was going to say... it's the granddaddy of all modern controllers.  Mine was beat to death and it still worked pretty great.  Of course anytime I say anything positive about Nintendo somebody accuses me of being a fanboy. 

I just ordered a playstation.  That's got to count for something right?

On that note there are some very interesting methods to play backups on the original psx, so once it comes in Maybe I can try some of them out and add it to the sd card thread.  I'm not buying a psio though. ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on September 12, 2016, 03:00:29 pm
I was going to say... it's the granddaddy of all modern controllers.  Mine was beat to death and it still worked pretty great.  Of course anytime I say anything positive about Nintendo somebody accuses me of being a fanboy. 

I just ordered a playstation.  That's got to count for something right?

On that note there are some very interesting methods to play backups on the original psx, so once it comes in Maybe I can try some of them out and add it to the sd card thread.  I'm not buying a psio though. ;)
You could try this out:http://www.shopncsx.com/goldfinger.aspx

I found one for 10 bucks a while back but can't remember what website it was.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on September 12, 2016, 03:19:53 pm
Sandpaper fixed my NES controllers right up.  Have had a hell of a time with my $12 multicart.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 13, 2016, 12:44:18 pm
I was going to say... it's the granddaddy of all modern controllers.  Mine was beat to death and it still worked pretty great.  Of course anytime I say anything positive about Nintendo somebody accuses me of being a fanboy. 

I just ordered a playstation.  That's got to count for something right?

On that note there are some very interesting methods to play backups on the original psx, so once it comes in Maybe I can try some of them out and add it to the sd card thread.  I'm not buying a psio though. ;)
You could try this out:http://www.shopncsx.com/goldfinger.aspx

I found one for 10 bucks a while back but can't remember what website it was.

Yeah there is a technique now where you take a cheat device and re-flash the firmware with a version called unirom.  Once flashed you no longer have to swap discs as the gameshark no longer requires a boot disc. 

There are some other methods as well and they become increasingly exotic.  It amazes me the lengths people go to on this.

I might try to make my own flash cart if I ever get the time and energy.  Some of these cheat devices were billed as dev kits.  If that is indeed true then there must have been a way to play games via streaming on the parallel port.  Replace the pc with an avr and you are already half there. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: ChadTower on September 21, 2016, 02:57:32 pm



The Vectrex32 does that sort of thing.  Turns the Vectrex itself into basically an IO device and runs the Vectrex code on the cartridge.  Greatly expands the CPU and memory of the system and comes with a full IDE.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: SlammedNiss on September 30, 2016, 08:19:35 am
Japan is getting their own version.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/29/nintendo-famicom-mini-japan/ (https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/29/nintendo-famicom-mini-japan/)

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=3GQ02nXQQiM#)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on September 30, 2016, 09:52:01 am
Maybe it's just me, but I'm kinda hoping that someone with a Raspberry Pi plays one of these things, likes what they see, and comes up with a way to make something similar on our neglected Pis....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on September 30, 2016, 10:15:08 am
Maybe it's just me, but I'm kinda hoping that someone with a Raspberry Pi plays one of these things, likes what they see, and comes up with a way to make something similar on our neglected Pis....
Have you seen this? It's pretty awesome.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,151786.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,151786.0.html)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on September 30, 2016, 10:25:23 am
Yes, that takes care of the look but the front end experience on Pi is terrible.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on September 30, 2016, 11:00:31 am
If you watch the Japanese version video, they are actually giving quite a few hints about this thing:

1. They show the dashboard and how you will select a game.
2. They show how save-states work
3. They show what might be screen filters like "smooth" or "blocky"
4. Does anyone know Japanese? They briefly mention the USB port on the back...what's that for? ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on September 30, 2016, 11:21:42 am
USB port is for the power supply.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on September 30, 2016, 11:23:45 am
If you watch the Japanese version video, they are actually giving quite a few hints about this thing:

1. They show the dashboard and how you will select a game.
2. They show how save-states work
3. They show what might be screen filters like "smooth" or "blocky"
4. Does anyone know Japanese? They briefly mention the USB port on the back...what's that for? ;)

USB mini port is probably the Power supply connection (didn't see any other power input)

EDIT : Looks like PBJ got it posted before me and came to the same conclusion !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on September 30, 2016, 11:24:49 am
USB port is for the power supply.

(http://i.imgur.com/aZEkjPL.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on September 30, 2016, 01:43:42 pm
So Kotaku just posted some additional information (http://kotaku.com/some-good-news-and-bad-news-about-the-mini-nes-1787278446) about the NES Classic.

The GOOD news:

- It will hold up to 4 different suspend points per game
- You’ll also be able to see the original NES manuals by scanning QR codes that appear on your screen. (This is a little strange)
- Each game will be playable in three display modes: CRT filter (scan-line effect), 4:3 (maintains the original aspect ratio), and Pixel Perfect (turns every pixel into a perfect square)

The BAD news:

- The controllers are wired, and the wires are very short (around 3ft  :dizzy:)
- In order to use save states or switch games, you have to hit the Reset button on the console. There’s no “home” button functionality on the controller.
- It's strictly an offline-only console. (We all pretty much knew this was coming tho)

And here is what the US interface will look like:

(http://cdn.gamer-network.net/2016/usgamer/NESMiniNewsSPOT3.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 07, 2016, 10:39:53 am
Doc says I can read and write normally now, so I'll chime in on this. 

Judging by the interface, save states and the crt filter, I was probably spot on in thinking that this is some recycled wii tech.  A famicom classic is also being released.... it's shaped like a mini famicom.  It's library and gui is slightly different, which makes me think that there must be some way to access the firmware on these boards as I seriously doubt they made a different motherboard for each unit.  If we are lucky they used the usb power port, which is often used to update firmware on devices like the xbox one gamepads.  IF that is true and IF the emulator is similar to those used on wii/wii u vc games, then it will be quite simple to swap out roms and only slightly more complicated to swap out textures.  I mean, I figured it out last time if that tells you how easy it was. 

Wouldn't you know that they start rolling out the pre-orders right after my surgery when I'm not allowed to read, so I missed that boat.  Hopefully I can get one at launch. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on November 04, 2016, 12:10:26 pm
Looks like the NES Classic will be difficult to hack (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/nes-classic-edition-will-be-difficult-to-hack-teardown-reveals/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwSeUciVIAAeNdH.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 04, 2016, 05:33:01 pm
He doesn't show the other side though.  It's about what I expected.... an onboard flash chip similar to the Wii, but I was hoping some easy to solder test points were on the thing.  Someone will eventually hack it though, it's just a matter of if it'll be too difficult for the average joe to do. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 11, 2016, 10:04:30 am
Well this is going to be another nightmare to get like the wii.  Tried online last night... no dice.  I could have tried Walmart, but I think I'm officially too old to wait in line at midnight for a do-dad.  Eh.... we'll try this again next spring most likely. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on November 11, 2016, 10:28:10 am
If you really want one, have your Amazon account and quick mouse finger ready to go.

Amazon is making them available at 2pm PT. A whole bunch of nerds will be hitting F5.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on November 11, 2016, 11:04:44 am
Couple of my friends have been going to store after store trying to get one.... sold out everywhere instantly.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 11, 2016, 11:47:29 am
It dumbfounds me that Nintendo still can't figure out how many of an item to make.  Somebody in marketing needs fired.  I also can't fathom why they aren't selling things directly from their website.  I mean they have warehouses so it wouldn't cost them anything and they could keep whatever cut they normally give to the retailers. 

I know about the amazon sale (5pm est), but I've tried getting things from them before.... not optimistic. 

This isn't a must-have for me, so I can be patient.  3rd party controllers and accessories are already rolling out, so it might be best to wait for nyko to make a version with a longer cord and a home button....thus eliminating the two flaws of the unit.  There are some out already, but the buttons are arranged weird. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on November 11, 2016, 12:08:39 pm
Well, the included games are a pile of crap, so I fully anticipate picking up one of these things barely used in January.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on November 11, 2016, 12:09:56 pm
Well, the included games are a pile of crap

What lineup would PBJ have preferred?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 11, 2016, 01:04:11 pm
Yeah I mean it's some of the best games on the system, so I have no clue how someone could consider it a pile of crap unless they have really poor taste. 

Yeah super Mario bros, Metroid, Pacman, Contra and Castlevania.  What horrible games.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 11, 2016, 05:12:29 pm
Heh.  Started refreshing on amazon at 10 till 5.  At 5 on the dot the buy button came up.  I immediately clicked on it, and "your cart is empty" was the result.  They sold out THAT fast. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on November 11, 2016, 05:26:30 pm
Heh.  Started refreshing on amazon at 10 till 5.  At 5 on the dot the buy button came up.  I immediately clicked on it, and "your cart is empty" was the result.  They sold out THAT fast.

Yep - can't understand why Nintendo would limit the supply so much - They knew it was going to sell quickly but they couldn't ship more units - will be interesting to see if the restock them before the christmas season or completely blow the chance to make some profit for the company.

I can see them doing this if it was just to build interest for the christmas sales ( figure if they are hard to get for a short time it might mean more interest for xmas) but if they fail to get enough out there by xmas I think they'll lose a lot of the sales they could have made on it as everyone will move to the next thing by then if they can't get these.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on November 11, 2016, 05:44:50 pm
Heh, they've had 6 weeks to get the Pokemon Go Plus production up to snuff and can't manage that, either.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 11, 2016, 06:48:10 pm
Heh.  Started refreshing on amazon at 10 till 5.  At 5 on the dot the buy button came up.  I immediately clicked on it, and "your cart is empty" was the result.  They sold out THAT fast.

Yep - can't understand why Nintendo would limit the supply so much - They knew it was going to sell quickly but they couldn't ship more units - will be interesting to see if the restock them before the christmas season or completely blow the chance to make some profit for the company.

I can see them doing this if it was just to build interest for the christmas sales ( figure if they are hard to get for a short time it might mean more interest for xmas) but if they fail to get enough out there by xmas I think they'll lose a lot of the sales they could have made on it as everyone will move to the next thing by then if they can't get these.

They don't limit supply, that is a myth.  Lost sales aren't good for business even if it hypes up the product.  You want your supply to always meet demand.  Somebody is dropping the ball though because their marketing team should have alerted them months ago that there was a lot of interest and they should have been churning them out non-stop for the last few months.  After all, this is just a stop-gap do-dad to keep the company in sales until the switch comes out.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: MaseMan on November 12, 2016, 02:30:28 pm
I kind of want one, but I don't exactly need one.

Let's face it, this is really geared toward casual nostalgia gamers.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: yotsuya on November 12, 2016, 03:42:10 pm
Yeah, I bet unfortunately a majority of the purchasers this weekend are ---uvulas--- looking to flip them for a profit. ---fudgesicle--- that noise.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on November 12, 2016, 04:15:15 pm
Yeah, I bet unfortunately a majority of the purchasers this weekend are ---uvulas--- looking to flip them for a profit. ---fudgesicle--- that noise.

According to Business insider Nintendo has already said they will be restocking soon and will have a supply of them being delivered to stores through out the holiday season and into next year ! (just hope they do it soon enough that those flippers get stuck with them.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: knave on November 12, 2016, 09:39:08 pm
I think that this is a cool device...and I kinda want one...but only kinda.

I mean...we can all play these games and more on our TV's anyway...With a little effort we can even use a NES controller. So Is it worth $60 for us, who have the ability anyway? I'm torn with the idea and probably won't buy one until they are $20.

On the flip side of the argument. I bought a Jakks pack-man with 5 games for $15 and like it for its portability and ease of use. Perhaps I will come around.

I do still have a working NES so perhaps that has something to do with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: pbj on November 13, 2016, 12:31:42 am
No Home button on the controllers.  WTF were they thinking?

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on November 13, 2016, 09:00:03 am
No Home button on the controllers.  WTF were they thinking?

They were probably trying to keep it with the retro experience the device was designed to emulate -- figure with the original games you had to go to the console and swap cartridges - so they figured going to the console to switch games would fit right in - besides the controller wire is only 3 ft. long so how far away is the console going to be anyway  :dunno  Any extensions used will probably be for the HDMI hookup to the TV and the console will sit on a table or similar right next to the players.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: thomas_surles on November 13, 2016, 09:11:26 am
Today's tvs are huge and couches are further away. 3ft cord isn't cutting it. Unless like JDfan said, with the console close by. We are fat and old now and can't be bothered with walking up to the console to switch games. If just can't find my remote to my TV, I'm watching whatever it's on.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: MaseMan on November 13, 2016, 09:31:03 am
It really is ridiculous how short the cord is. Really dumb move by Nintendo. Can you even find the extension cables in stores right now?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 13, 2016, 04:13:13 pm
You can get extension cables, but they are 10 bucks, so it doubles the cost of the gamepad.  My guess is they had a bunch of nunchuck cables left over.  Ditto for the gamepad... they still had the NES molds in a warehouse somewhere and adding a button would require modifying the molds.  I saw a pic of the inside of the new gamepad and there are unused pins on the chip.  My guess is with a quick comparison to how a classic controller is wired, one could add a home button. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: vwalbridge on November 14, 2016, 11:50:26 am
I wouldn't be surprised if 8Bitdo (http://www.8bitdo.com/) is already working on a wireless adapter for the NES Classic.

It's a perfect opportunity for them.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — only a little smaller
Post by: JDFan on November 14, 2016, 12:06:10 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if 8Bitdo (http://www.8bitdo.com/) is already working on a wireless adapter for the NES Classic.

It's a perfect opportunity for them.

Nyko already released them @ $19.99 but currently out of stock also  :cheers:

(http://nyko.com/products/miniboss-for-nes-classic-edition (http://nyko.com/products/miniboss-for-nes-classic-edition))

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0762/1493/products/MiniBoss_and_dongle_set_1024x1024.png?v=1477518126)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: vwalbridge on November 14, 2016, 12:08:02 pm
....and that is exactly what I would expect from Nyko.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 14, 2016, 01:50:32 pm
Yeah that's got to be one of the worst designs in a gamepad I've ever seen.  Note how the edges of the gamepad are raised and even though it's a rectangle, they put the buttons on a diagonal.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on November 14, 2016, 02:11:45 pm
Yeah that's got to be one of the worst designs in a gamepad I've ever seen.  Note how the edges of the gamepad are raised and even though it's a rectangle, they put the buttons on a diagonal.
I'm surprised they didn't angle the D-Pad. You know, to make it more comfortable for people's fat thumbs.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 14, 2016, 11:06:42 pm
What's it been?  A week?

http://hackaday.com/2016/11/13/linux-on-your-nes-classic-edition/ (http://hackaday.com/2016/11/13/linux-on-your-nes-classic-edition/)

Yeah it's got serial pads, so as soon as someone figures out the file system I'll write tools like I did with the Wii.  At the very least the inferior Punch-out!! can be replaced with Mike Tyson's Punch-out!!  My guess would be it's difficult to add new games, but swapping out games could be possible. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2016, 09:55:17 am
Well, ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Now I want one.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 15, 2016, 12:20:02 pm
It's going to be a while before anything practical is possible.  Right now you have to solder on a serial cable to do anything useful.  You CAN gain access to the OS via the usb port, but what you can do atm is limited due to lack of info.  Most likely someone will have to gain full access via the serial port, figure out the commands for the usb connection, and then we can use the usb port for full access.  In the past at least, Nintendo has used nes roms pretty much as we find them on the internet.  Sometimes they are in this odd LZ compressed archive, but I have notes to all of that.  Images are a bit trickier, and I haven't kept up on that tbh.  That being said, they used a highly compact image format on the wii due to it's small ram size.  It might be that they have moved on to regular dds images or pngs at this point.

I would guestimate that it'll be late winter or early spring before it's cracked wide open and they should be back in stock by then.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2016, 12:26:09 pm
It's all of three wires, I think we can manage that.  :lol

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 15, 2016, 02:04:07 pm
Sure but then you've got a stupid serial wire hanging out the back of the case and you have to mutilate it ect....
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: vwalbridge on November 17, 2016, 03:12:39 pm
You read it here first:

I predict Nintendo does the GameBoy Classic next.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on November 17, 2016, 03:21:00 pm
SNES with the same exact motherboard inside it is my guess.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 17, 2016, 08:45:34 pm
Yeah crt filters aside (that eats up processing power) that thing could probably do up to n64 level emulation without the least bit of strain.  It isn't the most powerful Linux all-in-one by any means, but it's a nice form factor, it runs silent and it's already geared towards gaming. 

It's going to be a neat little toy.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on November 18, 2016, 12:03:55 pm



It does beg the question "how many ways do we need to play the same games from 1988?"  Every time some device comes out, even when it is intended to play the old games, everybody salivates over hacking it so it can play the old games.  Is this really any better than any other similar device hacked to play on an HDTV?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 18, 2016, 12:51:26 pm
In short yes. 

1.  It's by Nintendo, so the build quality will be high.
2.  It looks like a NES, which is awesome.
3.  It's already designed with gameplay in mind.
4.  It's only 60 bucks, without having to buy bunches of add-ons to get it ready to play games (see # 3).


Ask a stupid question.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 22, 2016, 10:34:25 pm
Hey I found something for when they get them back in stock:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic)

Instead of buying extension cables just buy this and use real NES gamepads.... problem solved!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on November 22, 2016, 10:48:57 pm
Hey I found something for when they get them back in stock:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-Classic-Adapter-NES-Controller/dp/B01N3LNI3Q/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479871893&sr=8-10&keywords=nes+classic)

Instead of buying extension cables just buy this and use real NES gamepads.... problem solved!

Saw those the other day and almost ordered it - Figure I have one of the Nes Advantage controllers that works well still and it has a nice long cable on it !

Also was thinking could just buy several feet of 18Ga 7 conductor wire (think it only has 6 connections but Lowes only has either 5 or 7 conductor alarm cable in bulk) for $0.60 a foot at Lowes and just splice - solder - shrink wrap the one that comes with it.

Ebay also has these Mayflash adapters that can be used for both Nes and Snes controllers for around $15

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nQsAAMXQfvlSimYc/s-l400.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 22, 2016, 11:02:22 pm
Unless the serial port is the only way to hack it, I'm going to try not to mangle mine. 

That particular one you linked to is actually a famicom/super famicom adapter.  Sometimes it comes with the famicom2nes dongle and sometimes it doesn't. 

Has anyone saw news on the retrobit generations?  It's a cheap-knockoff of the nes classic, only with a bunch of games from different systems just thrown on the thing.  I mean there are Gameboy and cps2 arcade games on there... it's that odd. The gamepads look pretty crap as well BUT, they are usb gamepads and the system has a sd card slot.  So I'm curious if it'll be hacked because there is more potential there in terms of what you can run with the native interface.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on November 22, 2016, 11:22:22 pm
Unless the serial port is the only way to hack it, I'm going to try not to mangle mine. 

That particular one you linked to is actually a famicom/super famicom adapter.  Sometimes it comes with the famicom2nes dongle and sometimes it doesn't. 

Has anyone saw news on the retrobit generations?  It's a cheap-knockoff of the nes classic, only with a bunch of games from different systems just thrown on the thing.  I mean there are Gameboy and cps2 arcade games on there... it's that odd. The gamepads look pretty crap as well BUT, they are usb gamepads and the system has a sd card slot.  So I'm curious if it'll be hacked because there is more potential there in terms of what you can run with the native interface.

Your right -- that one does include the 9 pin to 7 pin adapter also
Quote
Package Includes:
1 x NES/SNES Adapter
1 x 9-pin to 7-pin Convert Cable

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on November 23, 2016, 12:21:54 am
Retrobit Generations YouTube videos are an emotional roller coast.

 :embarassed:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: MaseMan on December 30, 2016, 01:01:10 pm
Retrobit Generations YouTube videos are an emotional roller coast.

 :embarassed:

It looks like a product that was horribly rushed. Terrible emulation, input lag, and one vertical game that displays strictly in horizontal (no setting to fix it). Sounds like they cannot even release a patch for this thing. Waste of money.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 06, 2017, 06:37:21 pm
http://youtu.be/Q2c5JLHl56g (http://youtu.be/Q2c5JLHl56g)

Yeah so as I predicted it was fairly simple to get extra games on the console.  This isn't the guy that did it, but the reddit discussion is mostly in Russian and translating it doesn't end well.  I have no clue if only 30 games were added due to a size limitation, or the modder just got tired of adding roms. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 06, 2017, 06:40:34 pm
*Update*

Man the internet is fast.  Here are the instructions in English, and it's just a soft-mod, so no hardware hacking required. 

http://pastebin.com/af2RxZ6z (http://pastebin.com/af2RxZ6z)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 07, 2017, 12:24:46 am
Thanks for the update.  Maybe some day Nintendo will make more of these.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 07, 2017, 02:10:23 am
They're starting to trickle in.  Gamestop had some in a few days ago... of course I was afk when it happened.  :(
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: elvis on January 07, 2017, 03:18:09 am
It does beg the question "how many ways do we need to play the same games from 1988?"  Every time some device comes out, even when it is intended to play the old games, everybody salivates over hacking it so it can play the old games.  Is this really any better than any other similar device hacked to play on an HDTV?
In short yes. 

1.  It's by Nintendo, so the build quality will be high.
2.  It looks like a NES, which is awesome.
3.  It's already designed with gameplay in mind.
4.  It's only 60 bucks, without having to buy bunches of add-ons to get it ready to play games (see # 3).


Ask a stupid question.

(a) What Howard Casto said

(b) This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLWY7fCXUwE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLWY7fCXUwE)

Manufacturers *need* to start commercially capitalizing on emulation, for a whole bunch of reasons.  Consider that the film industry is still selling millions of re-prints of old films for a few bucks each.  That's a good thing for everyone.  Gaming needs to follow the same path.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on January 07, 2017, 10:37:00 am
 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddd  hacked.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/hackers-unlock-nes-classic-upload-new-games-via-usb-cable/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/hackers-unlock-nes-classic-upload-new-games-via-usb-cable/)

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: vwalbridge on January 07, 2017, 10:49:00 am
Now if Nintendo would only start making more of them. I really thought shelves would be overflowing with them by now.

Makes me wonder if Nintendo realized how easy it was going to be to hack so they have halted production to correct the exploit on v1.1
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on January 07, 2017, 11:46:58 am
Wait so can you add more than 30 games or not?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 07, 2017, 12:49:15 pm
Wait so can you add more than 30 games or not?

Looks like YES -- How many extras has not been said but there is a couple of examples that show them with about 2x the games and the nice part is they get added to the default menu system as well !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 07, 2017, 02:00:27 pm
*bah*  my browser ate the page... disregard what I just said.  lilshawn's post about it being hacked a full day after I already posted that kind of threw me off as well.

I'm sure there is a physical limitation in regards to how many games can be added... only so much storage after all.  Then again it might just be a list limitation.  What I found interesting is that the exploit is using a game save yet you don't have to load said game save.  It makes me wonder how the unit handles saves. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 07, 2017, 02:19:47 pm
According to reddit... the total size of the storage is 512mb and no one has ran into any kind of limitation yet.  So depending upon how much space is used by the jpgs, saves, meta data and emulator that potentially means a lot of games could be added. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Rockstead on January 07, 2017, 03:05:10 pm
Here's the Reddit article regarding it

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/hackers-unlock-nes-classic-upload-new-games-via-usb-cable/
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on January 07, 2017, 03:50:15 pm
I wonder if they can get rid of the images and all that to make a simple text based list to save room for more roms.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 07, 2017, 04:20:21 pm
I wonder if they can get rid of the images and all that to make a simple text based list to save room for more roms.

THe images are really pretty small - one 140x204 image and 1 28x40

For example the files for 1943 are 220KB on disk (actual 208KB filesize) - ( desktop file 557Bytes, .nes file 128KB,large pic 76.1KB, small pic 3.31KB )

So deleting the pics wouldn't make for that many extra games available. Haven't been able to find any info on the number of games that can be added but seems to have room for at least around 100 games including the original 30 - which should be plenty (figure the added games can also be deleted if needing room for new ones if you do run out )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on January 07, 2017, 04:24:45 pm
100 games isn't bad though. Can't be more than 100 that are any good.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 07, 2017, 04:30:29 pm
100 games isn't bad though. Can't be more than 100 that are any good.

though according to wikipedia there are a total of 713 known licensed game titles so narrowing it to 100 might be a challenge !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 07, 2017, 04:41:30 pm
151 cartridge pretty much nails it.  Delete the crap version of Punch Out from this, cull the 151 list, good to go.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 07, 2017, 09:48:50 pm
Yeah it's a surprisingly good cart.  If they had only taken the time to use the NTSC English versions of the games. 

Nintendo's 30 is already a good list... imho to fill it out perfectly:

As mentioned fix punch out
Add all the Mega Mans, TMNT games, Contras, Double Dragons and Castlevanias
Tetris
Rad Racer
All the remaining Capcom and Konami games
All the Dragon Warriors
The remaining black box and silver box games. 
Replace Donkey Kong with that 3 in 1 rom with all the DK's on it to save space
Maybe some hidden gems like Little Sampson?
Super Dodge Ball (The rest of the RCR games aren't really that great)
Honestly I doubt that's even 100. 

*edit*

Like mentioned you could always rotate the games out once you get sick of them.  My *nix skills are virtually non-existent, but assuming I ever get my hands on one of these little buggers I would be more than willing to write an app that creates scripting to where you just drag n drop the roms.  We could make a little pack with all the images and cfg.desktop info pretty quickly with existing archives.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on January 08, 2017, 07:48:18 am
Yeah it's a surprisingly good cart.  If they had only taken the time to use the NTSC English versions of the games. 

Nintendo's 30 is already a good list... imho to fill it out perfectly:

As mentioned fix punch out
Add all the Mega Mans, TMNT games, Contras, Double Dragons and Castlevanias
Tetris
Rad Racer
All the remaining Capcom and Konami games
All the Dragon Warriors
The remaining black box and silver box games. 
Replace Donkey Kong with that 3 in 1 rom with all the DK's on it to save space
Maybe some hidden gems like Little Sampson?
Super Dodge Ball (The rest of the RCR games aren't really that great)
Honestly I doubt that's even 100. 

*edit*

Like mentioned you could always rotate the games out once you get sick of them.  My *nix skills are virtually non-existent, but assuming I ever get my hands on one of these little buggers I would be more than willing to write an app that creates scripting to where you just drag n drop the roms.  We could make a little pack with all the images and cfg.desktop info pretty quickly with existing archives.

Gotta add battle toads and if you are looking for a gem, check out Conquest of the Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Le Chuck on January 08, 2017, 08:48:33 am
I really enjoyed the puzzle games. Solomons key, fire and ice, and the wizards and warriors games. Still don't know if I'd get one of these tho, I can play those Roms on so many other platforms. The nintendy form factor is nice but I don't have a classic console in the house period. Xbox on coinops was the closest I've come in years and that lasted less than a month before it was just taking up space and less than a year before I sold it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 08, 2017, 12:53:43 pm
looks like there is a correlation between the number of games installed and the number of saves you can have before getting an error -- every 2 saves takes up the space of 1 game added so if you get above 60 or so games you have to limit your saves to one or 2 slots per game rather than 4 and once you get to 90 or so you only have a couple saves for the entire system before you start getting errors as it runs out of space. So probably best to stay around 60+/- games and swap them out for others as wanted rather than adding 100 or so games !!

Breakdown shown on reddit here : ( https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5mrmgw/total_gamesave_countspace_issue_what_you_should/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5mrmgw/total_gamesave_countspace_issue_what_you_should/) )

which makes sense as to why they included 30 games with 4 save slots with the hardware specs of the unit ! ( as the break point for 4 saves per game would be 32 games ) - so once you put 65 games you are at the point of having 1 save slot per game - and for 2 slots per game you need to stay around 48 games.

So I'll probably narrow it down to 50 games in order to have a couple save slots for most games - ( figure a few games will not need saves leaving a few more than 2 slots for others) so should be a good number for safety and also enough variety in the games. Then can always sub out games every few months. )

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 08, 2017, 01:37:05 pm
Eh, I figured as such, but for many games this really isn't an issue.  For every game like Metroid or Castlevania, which you need saves in this day and age there are dozens that don't, like Super Mario Bros., TMNTII, ect. 

So long as you aren't giving it as a gift to a non techie, I think most people really only need 4 saves total for the entire library.  After all, you only play one of the longer games at a time.... or at least I do. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 08, 2017, 02:02:57 pm
Looks like the mad modding community is really on top of this one.  They've already wrote an app and streamlined the process.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5PnvEXUBu4#)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 08, 2017, 03:39:20 pm
Alright, now I want to see the thing running rom hacks.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 08, 2017, 04:12:46 pm
I'm curious what would happen if you tried games that don't use traditional controllers like 4p games and zapper games.  Obviously they wouldn't be playable, but I'm wondering just how complete the emulator is.  The classic controllers work on it and have way more buttons, so would 4p games use the extra button slots for the other players?  Would zapper games have the trigger and light sensor switches hooked up to buttons?

I'm just thinking it would be kind of cool to hack a pad to make a multi-tap, ect...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 09, 2017, 10:43:29 am
I'm curious what would happen if you tried games that don't use traditional controllers like 4p games and zapper games.  Obviously they wouldn't be playable, but I'm wondering just how complete the emulator is.  The classic controllers work on it and have way more buttons, so would 4p games use the extra button slots for the other players?  Would zapper games have the trigger and light sensor switches hooked up to buttons?

I'm just thinking it would be kind of cool to hack a pad to make a multi-tap, ect...

Along the same lines - it would be interesting to see if the emulator and front end on the mini could be copied off of the unit and installed on the rpi or similar device. Or since the USB  is hooked up for data transfer in Fel mode if it could be activated in regular mode to use as extra storage space using a thumbdrive to store the entire nes library.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 09, 2017, 10:59:45 am
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for personally.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Le Chuck on January 09, 2017, 11:42:25 am
Have they tried Castlevania 3 yet?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 8BitMonk on January 09, 2017, 11:52:37 am
Looks like some progress on hacking this thing.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/9/14211402/nes-classic-edition-hack (http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/9/14211402/nes-classic-edition-hack)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on January 09, 2017, 12:25:21 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170109/343fd6bbc988650cf59dbbdeea81ff5f.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 09, 2017, 12:37:13 pm
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9877413/Capture.PNG)

FTFY
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on January 09, 2017, 12:39:52 pm
Missing Pic

FTFY

Dude, I was in the middle of tweaking it when you posted that. Patience.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on January 09, 2017, 12:41:25 pm
Getting back to my original image, this is what you guys sound like to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 09, 2017, 02:21:01 pm
Go yell at clouds somewhere else, old man.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 09, 2017, 03:02:06 pm
Getting back to my original image, this is what you guys sound like to me.

To be fair Linux was developed by a Finnish guy, so it's commands sound like nonsense to nearly everyone.  Then again Unix is similar, so maybe that isn't a good excuse. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 09, 2017, 04:58:54 pm
Alright, now I want to see the thing running rom hacks.
I thought you only play games off x-in-1 carts?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 09, 2017, 05:07:25 pm
Oh look, it's Mr. I Only Run Official Carts on my $400 Upscaler.  Begone.


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 09, 2017, 06:54:27 pm
FYI it's a $300 upscaler, and I run games off a Powerpak.

But green isn't a good colour on you, James.  ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on January 09, 2017, 07:28:38 pm
FYI it's a $300 upscaler, and I run games off a Powerpak.

But green isn't a good colour on you, James.  ;)
Conversely, some dudes would be happy if they could get MAME running on their toaster...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 09, 2017, 07:45:39 pm
And some dudes want to put an NES Mini (JPN ver) in a classic Gameboy:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3tYZUblBmM#)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on January 09, 2017, 09:47:44 pm
That video of the famicom mini in the gameboy was wild.  I like the idea of hacking the software, adding all games, possibly adding support for 4 original controllers and putting it in a linux box with all the games. 

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 11, 2017, 03:28:47 pm
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Malenko on January 11, 2017, 03:36:20 pm
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.

Try Mighty Final Fight! love that game. Im jelly you got one, I'll prolly snag one in like 2 years when no one wants it anymore.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 11, 2017, 04:26:48 pm
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.

Try Mighty Final Fight! love that game. Im jelly you got one, I'll prolly snag one in like 2 years when no one wants it anymore.

Just downloaded to test for you and it works fine !! Hopefully they'll restock before they stop production - at $60 it's a nice little unit to play with (currently testing it with a 7" 5V display and 5v lion battery and it works well as a portable unit as well.)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 11, 2017, 08:14:39 pm
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.
Can you add a famicom game with expansion audio and see if the extra music channels are present?
Actually I wonder what mappers this thing supports...VRC6??
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 11, 2017, 09:06:30 pm
Decided to give the hack tools a try using hakchi2 - it makes it a simple process to add new games and works perfectly - added  1942, 1943, Arch Rivals, BurgerTime, DigDug, DK3, Elavator Action, Galaxian, Gauntlet, Joust, Lode Runner, and Metal Gear. And they all show up and play fine on the emulator.
Can you add a famicom game with expansion audio and see if the extra music channels are present?
Actually I wonder what mappers this thing supports...VRC6??

From cluster a few days ago in his release thread(maker of the hakchi2 tool) :
Quote
Just added FDS support, version 2.05.
FDS BIOS not required, it's already present in NES Mini :)

Not real familiar with the famicom disk system - but from reading the thread on the hack it does have support for the FDS now - downloaded the super mario bros 2 fds japan rom and installed it and it runs fine - how can you tell if the extended audio channels are present - hooked it up to my TV and it sounds pretty good and is definitely different than the smb 2 that came installed on the unit but not sure how to verify what audio channels it is using. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2017, 12:59:21 am
I usually use Castlevania III as a good comparison:
http://youtu.be/Rh-vkpjyMTw (http://youtu.be/Rh-vkpjyMTw)

You can hear Akumaju Densetsu's music is more full and has a couple more instruments layered into the music.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 12, 2017, 01:06:45 am
You can hear Akumaju Densetsu's music is more full and has a couple more instruments layered into the music.

I'll give them both a test tomorrow during the day and let you know.

Any others that could be tested - Just tried  Akumaju Densetsu and got an unsupported mapper error so don't think the nes mini emulator will work with it !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2017, 04:19:36 am
Any others that could be tested - Just tried  Akumaju Densetsu and got an unsupported mapper error so don't think the nes mini emulator will work with it !
Hmm if VRC6 isn't supported (Akumaju Dracula, Esper Dream 2, Madara), VRC7 is out of the question (Lagrange Point has a unique and awesome soundtrack using FM Synth).

Could you try a Namco 163 mapper game (King of Kings), and Sunsoft 5B (Gimmick!)?

I doubt any of these are supported though, but doesn't hurt to try. Gimmick! Is a seriously hard platformer that has some neat-o sound too.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 12, 2017, 09:45:31 am
Good lord, THAT'S the emulation difference you people are always blathering about.... they sound 99% the same.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 12, 2017, 10:17:35 am
Any others that could be tested - Just tried  Akumaju Densetsu and got an unsupported mapper error so don't think the nes mini emulator will work with it !
Hmm if VRC6 isn't supported (Akumaju Dracula, Esper Dream 2, Madara), VRC7 is out of the question (Lagrange Point has a unique and awesome soundtrack using FM Synth).

Could you try a Namco 163 mapper game (King of Kings), and Sunsoft 5B (Gimmick!)?

I doubt any of these are supported though, but doesn't hurt to try. Gimmick! Is a seriously hard platformer that has some neat-o sound too.

Looks like it doesn't support those (wonder if the Japanese version would (doubt it as they are probably both using the same emulator core) - seems they only included support for the mappers the units were going to have used or that might have been used. guess they figured adding support for third party mappers wasn't worth the effort if they were not going to be used - perhaps support for those could be added as time goes on but for now seems they do not have support )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on January 12, 2017, 10:39:59 am
there is apparently talks of some modified firmware to add some more mappers and patch some things. perhaps in the near future these games may work. People are going ham on hacking this system.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 12, 2017, 10:53:12 am
Granted, your little hacker program is the one telling you it's incompatible.  Maybe worth shoving one onto the system anyway and seeing what happens?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2017, 10:56:43 am
Yeah figured as much. Thanks for checking those out for us, JDFan.

Good lord, THAT'S the emulation difference you people are always blathering about.... they sound 99% the same.
Filthy composite casuals need not apply.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 12, 2017, 10:58:57 am
Meh, it's a beloved family heirloom versus some rich boy toy you threw money at.  Congrats.  :)

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2017, 11:06:46 am
Enjoy your those Chinese knockoff carts on your "family heirloom", your highness.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 12, 2017, 11:08:11 am
I do, thanks. 

:cheers:

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2017, 11:15:23 am
Anyways, back to the big-boy discussions, JDFan could you try one more game? Just Breed, it's an MMC5 mapper that Nintendo released. It's the mother of all mappers that supports 3 extra sound channels, and supports the largest rom sizes on the NES. A bunch of hackers are now converting games to MMC5 to expand the Roms for larger and more radical game changes/mods, but Nintendo originally used them for larger strategy games.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 12, 2017, 01:26:21 pm
Anyways, back to the big-boy discussions, JDFan could you try one more game? Just Breed, it's an MMC5 mapper that Nintendo released. It's the mother of all mappers that supports 3 extra sound channels, and supports the largest rom sizes on the NES. A bunch of hackers are now converting games to MMC5 to expand the Roms for larger and more radical game changes/mods, but Nintendo originally used them for larger strategy games and of course an arcade port of Just Breed.

Using Just Breed (J) [T+Eng1.00_Stealth].nes rom it seems to work fine ! (guess they included it since it is a nintendo mapper and they may release something that uses it at some point so included it in the emulator. )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 12, 2017, 04:14:20 pm
Anyways, back to the big-boy discussions...

I just about spit my drink out with that line. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2017, 04:57:08 pm
Using Just Breed (J) [T+Eng1.00_Stealth].nes rom it seems to work fine ! (guess they included it since it is a nintendo mapper and they may release something that uses it at some point so included it in the emulator. )
Nice! That's great. There is a lot of room for hackers these days to create some really interesting mods to games using MMC5 due to the larger rom sizes.
Glad to see that Just Breed works! Thanks.
Hopefully other mappers will be added by the hacking community, expansion audio is such a hidden gem for some games. I can't even play the US Castlevania III now, it just sounds so hollow.  Those extra layers of sound really fill out the music and epic tone of the game.




Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 12, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
Granted, your little hacker program is the one telling you it's incompatible.  Maybe worth shoving one onto the system anyway and seeing what happens?

^This^

They probably tried one game with that mapper, it didn't work, and so they assumed they all don't work.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 12, 2017, 11:23:34 pm
Finished putting together my Nintendo Emulator Cartridge with a pi zero today - just need to get the roms loaded - was ordering a pi3 to play with and they had the zero in stock for $5 so added it to the order.

Figure the whole thing cost about $30 - with the parts ordered from China ( was much cheaper to wait on the pieces - other than the pi zero from adafruit and the micro sd from Best Buy (way too many fakes out there to trust china on that !! )

Price breakdown :

Quote
Repro cartridge - 6 pack for $14 ( $2.33 @ )                           $2.33
Micro USB to USB adapter 5 pack for $1.69 ( $0.34 @)            $0.34
4 Port USB hub                                                                     $0.99
Micro USB M/F extension                                                       $0.96
Mini HDMI M to HDMI F adapter                                             $1.63
Pi Zero (adafruit)                                                                  $5.00
2x SNES Game Controllers                                                     $5.51
32GB Microsd card                                                                $9.95

Total                                                                                  $26.71

Would have been $8.50 more for the adafruit shipping if not ordered with the rpi3 in same order which cost the same for shipping.

Had ordered the pieces before being able to get the mini from Walmart and then figured it could be used for the games the mini was missing but now that the hack is working  :dunno


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: knave on January 13, 2017, 11:11:35 am
That looks pretty sweet JDFan! How is the UI on the pi0? Can it boot directly into a frontend of some sort?

How does the NES classic compare to something like this? Or just an android tv box?

I mean we all have the capability to emulate and play the NES games if we want...yet there is lots of interest. What makes the Classic worth getting. Is it just convenience...plug and play?



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 13, 2017, 12:09:09 pm
That looks pretty sweet JDFan! How is the UI on the pi0? Can it boot directly into a frontend of some sort?

How does the NES classic compare to something like this? Or just an android tv box?

I mean we all have the capability to emulate and play the NES games if we want...yet there is lots of interest. What makes the Classic worth getting. Is it just convenience...plug and play?
Haven't finished setting it up yet but the pi's are very easy to set up with retropie and emulation station ( you just place the image on a sd disk on the PC - put it in the pi and turn it on and it expands the system and sets up the entire thing and boots directly into Emulation Station - then you just need to copy the roms to the proper emulator folder ( It will automatically load the emulators that have roms in their folders as you add roms so first boot just the retropie main screen shows with the various files to configure it.)

To add the roms you can either use your PC and connect to the pi ( once you set up the WiFi or internet connection) or use a thumbdrive ( on the pc just make a retropie folder - disconnect the thumbdrive and take it and plug into the pi - and once the Pi recognizes the device being plugged in it will auto setup a folder structure etc. - once that finishes you just remove the thumbdrive from the pi take it back to your PC and place the roms in the emulator folders - remove and take back to the Pi and it will auto copy the roms onto the pi. So pretty much an automated process at this point.

Main thing about the classic is it is an actual Nintendo product so is plug and play with a very simple front end and is pretty much bullet proof so kids and relatives can't mess the thing up ( so no after install phone calls for help ! ) Plus it looks just like the old system so brings back some memories for those that had them growing up. - Definitely needs an extension cable for the controller ( I got 2 6ft extensions from China for about $2 apiece )

The pi zero does pretty well also but takes a bit more setup and maintenance - and can also run older MAME games as well so they both have uses and do have some overlap depending on the use. ANd either one can be set up for around $40 - $60 so don't break the bank.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 13, 2017, 02:11:06 pm
Yeah I think that one should be obvious.  People want the classic because it's an official Nintendo plug-n-play system.  That's a huge deal.  Companies that are still actively making hardware do NOT release pnp systems.  Also since it's hardware released by Nintendo, you know the quality is there.  It isn't an atgames piece of junk.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 26, 2017, 03:30:59 pm
Just an FYI for those thinking about getting one of these eventually -- looks like the hacker that has been working on this has made it possible to load pretty much the entire NES library (minus a few unsupported mappers) onto the system - He set it up to use a folder system in order to get passed some of the system limits on the number of games it could handle. So far it seems to handle over 600 games with the save states and art etc.  :cheers:

According to the hacks latest release notes :

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2.11

@ClusterM ClusterM released this 22 hours ago · 3 commits to master since this release

    Folders/pages support! No more games limit. hakchi2 will automatically create folders and sort games alphabetically. Tested with 600+ ROMs. Everything working fine including savestates. You can select maximum games per page/folder but it's recommended to limit it to 30-35.

    Multistep uploading. NES Mini can't handle huge kernel with hundreds of ROMs. So hakchi2 will split it up and upload in sequence. Just follow onscreen instructions.

    Mass cover downloading. You can download covers for all games at once using first image on Google. You can find this feature in "File" menu.

    IPS patcher can enlarge ROMs now ("index out of bounds" bug fixed).

    New patches for problem games.

    New confirmed mapper - 86. Also games with mappers 88, 95 and 206 will be patched automatically.

    Global command line arguments. You can add some argument(s) for all games at once, including original ones. For example: add "--ppu-palette=2" to make all games black and white.

    Support for ZIP, 7z and RAR archives. You don't need unpack every ROM now.

    Support for some bad ROMs with invalid size.

    Full Famicom Mini support: Japanese font and customizable original games list (thanks to xsnake!)

    Autofire! Enable it via menu, hold Select+A/B for a second to enable autofire on A/B. Also X/Y buttons on classic controller will act as autofire A/B.

    Start button simulation for second controller. Hold Up+A+B to press Start. It's workaround for some USA games on Famicom Mini. Don't forget to enable it via menu.

    Option to disable menu music.

    Minor design fixes.

    Other minor improvements.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 26, 2017, 03:37:41 pm
Wow.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 26, 2017, 03:51:38 pm
still want one, still cant find one.

Call your local Toysrus - People have been saying they all got a shipment last night so most stores have them. Also I picked up a second one at walmart last week at 11am. was shopping and happened to check the electronics dept and they had the one they had received with that nights delivery in the case (the employee said she told a few people they didn't have one after I pointed it out to her in the case !! ) Figured it was almost cheaper to buy the second system than pay for a second OEM controller (which you still can't find since release) for playing 2 player.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 26, 2017, 04:23:03 pm
Hm... Astrodome Gamestop had all the accessories but no systems when I checked 3 weeks ago... employee told me they were hiding them in the back because they were getting stolen.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 26, 2017, 07:18:50 pm
They've been on sale online a few times this week as well... large enough quantities to where they stay in stock for a half hour or so.. always when I've been afk *grumble*  I guess I'll have to do like a millennial and strap my phone to my person 24/7. 

The new fixes are mighty impressive.  Somebody needs to add wiimote support for lightgun games.  The i2c connection that wiimotes use is bi-directional, so a cable plugged from the extension port to the console could potentially read the data off the wiimote in leu of a Bluetooth connection. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 26, 2017, 09:32:30 pm
What site are you using to monitor stock?  I'm glued to a PC 10 hours a day.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 26, 2017, 09:52:51 pm
What site are you using to monitor stock?  I'm glued to a PC 10 hours a day.

Brickseek tracks fairly reliably for Target and Walmart

http://brickseek.com/target-inventory-checker/?sku=207-29-0180 (http://brickseek.com/target-inventory-checker/?sku=207-29-0180)
http://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker/?sku=54043501 (http://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker/?sku=54043501)

For target they usually update after closing time (after 10 or 11pm) and do not sell them until after opening the next AM.

And the reddit minines thread usually gets a post or 2 when some store gets stock for online sale within a minute or 2 of it opening - https://www.reddit.com/r/minines/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/minines/)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 26, 2017, 11:01:42 pm
^This^

Also if you just use google to search for "nes classic" and used advanced search to only show articles within the last 24hours there is usually an article of upcoming shipments and/or a shipment you missed. 

The most recent big one was gamestop.  They got some in stock online bundled with a wireless controller for ~70 bucks. 

My toys r us might still have some, but they are such a-holes that they won't tell you if they have any in stock... you pretty much have to show up.  I'm about 40 min away, so forget those guys.
Title: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: mafiafan123 on January 26, 2017, 11:13:13 pm
I used the now in stock site also the fact it's been hacked now you can add at least 30 games or more but the more that have game covers the less it will hold


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 26, 2017, 11:45:49 pm
I used the now in stock site also the fact it's been hacked now you can add at least 30 games or more but the more that have game covers the less it will hold


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Actually the latest release fixes that it can now hold 600+ games with 4 saves per game and artwork for all of them -- the problem before was the way the data lists were allocated - he has now changed it a bit so that the games are kept in folders so for example you can have 20 folders with 30 games in each and they can all be stored on the system and all have the original 4 save slots - So no more limit on the number of games other than the 300MB+/- of RAM the system has available and the roms for NES games are tiny so 300MB is almost the entire romset !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: DesiredOutcome on January 27, 2017, 12:38:53 am
Got a headache reading this.

But i like the idea of having the classic playing all the classics. Is it easy for an idiot like me to set up?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: B2K24 on January 27, 2017, 01:59:57 am
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 27, 2017, 02:31:39 am
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

Seriously??

This is 60 bucks, you plug it into the tv and you are done. 

If you don't already have a NES it's going to be about 60 to get one, you might need to get new gamepads, the 100 dollar N8, and you'll still end up with a setup with a primitive menu system and av out at best that requires you to locate your own roms. 

Also all that stuff I mentioned above, your mom or your non-gamer friend probably can't do all of that.  They can buy a do-dad and plug it into their tv though.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 27, 2017, 10:28:59 am
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

AS Howard points out to do this is going to cost you much more than the $60 - plus with the classic even if you add the extra games to it - it remains a stable product that is just plug and play so your non tech savy friends and family can use it without the chance to muck things up.

I do wish they had included an audio jack on this thing though (so it could be used with a monitor that doesn't have built in speakers or HDMI port and still have audio )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 27, 2017, 01:46:55 pm
Well I do as well.  I think even with the popularity of this thing Nintendo releasing a retro console like this is always going to be a rarity.  No other hardware manufacturer is willing to do throwbacks like this.  Most of the stuff Nintendo makes is rock solid and this is a really cool collectable.  Put your mini nes next to your mini rob amiibo and you've got a sweet looking nick-nack.  The fact that it'll easily let me play virtually the entire library is a nice bonus.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on January 27, 2017, 01:47:13 pm
Yes, yes, we all want one.  We've covered that.  Thanks.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on January 27, 2017, 01:52:00 pm
Why is demand so crazy for this when you can still buy the original console and an EverDrive-N8?

And why would you want to spend $200 on an original console and EverDrive when you could just build an emulator using a $10 rpi zero or free hand me down PC system ??

Figure there are all kinds of alternatives available and the more that are out there the better for everyone and a $60 system that allows anyone to just plug in a couple wires and play fills that spot for a lot of people so of course there is a lot of demand for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: RetroGreg on January 27, 2017, 02:55:43 pm
I got one at toys r us yesterday at about 11:30 am. They had one left. I'd say it's getting easier to find them if you know what day stores get stock in. I wasn't going to wait in line for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 27, 2017, 03:30:24 pm
I think once we get well into Feb. these are going to be a lot easier to get.  They'll want to unload as many as possible so they can ramp up production for the switch. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: jmike on January 29, 2017, 10:38:40 am
Missed out on the launch day but was lucky enough to pick up 2 NES Classics with extension cables from ToysRus last week. Also had a friend of mine help me put together a pi zero inside a Friday the 13th NES cartridge. Will try and add some games next week, unless Nintendo has updated these newly shipped consoles to stop the hack.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: jmike on January 29, 2017, 10:41:29 am
There's nothing like playing on an official Nintendo NES controller, feels like the originals.
Oh and here's a quick pic of my Mini SNES Pi3 case next to the NES Classic.

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: knave on February 09, 2017, 11:59:06 am
I had one in my cart at Best buy...$68 after tax. Had second thoughts and downloaded the top 100 NES roms to play on my other devices.

I can spend zero $$ and play using a wireless controller from my couch.  :dunno

Don't get me wrong, I still want one but since I won't play the games after the first 5 minutes anyway. This way I can get my retro fix and if I still am into it I can suggest it as a good gift idea for me to non techy family members.

I wonder if you could cram an ITX motherboard or other PC solution? (Something more powerful than an R-Pi that would run windows)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on February 09, 2017, 12:47:34 pm
So, my innermost hopes on this thing are that they either yank the OS and get it running on another device, or that it inspires someone to make a Pi environment that operates similarly. 

Yes, yes, we were emulating NES 20 years ago on our 386s, but those didn't boot in 5 seconds.

Emulation Station has got to go.  That 'good enough' pile of crap has held back 'the scene' a good 2-3 years.


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Paul Olson on February 09, 2017, 02:05:15 pm
I pretty much forgot about these after not being able to find one, and buying an original with an everdrive. I have since modded the Wii U, bought a PS4 and PSVR, and preordered the Switch, so I think this one is off of my radar now. If they release a SNES version, I will get it for my wife. She doesn't want to use the SNES and Everdrive in the garage, so the mini would work out well.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on February 09, 2017, 02:48:32 pm
Done anything particularly fun with the WiiU? 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 09, 2017, 05:20:45 pm
So, my innermost hopes on this thing are that they either yank the OS and get it running on another device, or that it inspires someone to make a Pi environment that operates similarly. 

Yes, yes, we were emulating NES 20 years ago on our 386s, but those didn't boot in 5 seconds.

Emulation Station has got to go.  That 'good enough' pile of crap has held back 'the scene' a good 2-3 years.

Well the OS is a modified version of Linux.  The frontend we see afaik is just an app.  As per the Linux license agreement, all the non-Nintendo stuff is open source and posted, which is how it was hacked so easily... they had to post the "exploit" themselves.  I don't think it would be terribly hard to make a version of the app or add other emulators.  I can't do it though.... my Linux skillz are virtually non-existent. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Paul Olson on February 10, 2017, 04:19:12 pm
Done anything particularly fun with the WiiU?

I had fun modding the Wii U. There is a certain amount of enjoyment to be had downloading the games from Nintendo's own servers. I still can't believe that is a thing. lol
I haven't done much with it since getting it all set up though. I played a few games, but I was pretty quickly put off by all of the overly kid focused music and sound effects. It was driving me crazy after about 2 weeks. I bought a PS4 Pro to get some more adult content. I haven't turned on the Wii U since then.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 10, 2017, 09:26:52 pm
I'm not sure what was meant about that comment.  Apparently happy is now childish.  Myself I can use all the happy I can get. 

Anyway.......Yeah so this happened:

http://mashable.com/2017/02/10/nes-console-hack/#1IzNvrFxHqq3 (http://mashable.com/2017/02/10/nes-console-hack/#1IzNvrFxHqq3)

retro arch can be loaded as a game in the interface now.  Seems to handle 8 and 16 bit games fine. 

Now if people can wise up and realize that nobody wants to use retro-arch's interface and create direct shortcuts to game we are golden. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: wp34 on February 10, 2017, 10:15:45 pm
Now if people can wise up and realize that nobody wants to use retro-arch's interface and create direct shortcuts to game we are golden.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on February 11, 2017, 12:18:25 am
Definitely coming along.  They are gonna have to figure out a storage solution soon.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 11, 2017, 07:47:56 am
Storage should be easy.  The thing has usb and it runs on Linux... a usb y-cable to supply power with one fork and hook up a usb stick with the other would work.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: deadmoney5 on March 14, 2017, 10:19:44 am
Bought one off Craigslist last night.  Has over 700 games on it.  Pretty cool.  But also pretty overwhelming with so many games.  Even after reading about, I didn't realize how small it was!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on March 14, 2017, 10:39:12 am
So the hobbyists did the same ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- they always do.  The first few releases expand the functionality and maintain the feel.  Then comes the diarrhea torrent of making everything in the world work on the system, user experience be damned.  I'm reading about workarounds to get Genesis games working on an NES controller... are these people even serious?

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 14, 2017, 02:19:57 pm
Here's how to get it to work... plug in a classic controller and stop being stupid. 

Yeah just because you can put everything on it doesn't mean you should.  Myself I want only the good NES games on there and I think some select master system and tg16 games would be nice, seeing as how they actually have a compatible control scheme.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: deadmoney5 on March 15, 2017, 09:59:12 am
Here's how to get it to work... plug in a classic controller and stop being stupid. 

Yeah just because you can put everything on it doesn't mean you should.  Myself I want only the good NES games on there and I think some select master system and tg16 games would be nice, seeing as how they actually have a compatible control scheme.

you need an adaptor to use the original NES controller, right?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on March 15, 2017, 11:06:32 am
you need an adaptor to use the original NES controller, right?

Yes - you need a NES to Wii adapter if you want to use an original NES controller.
Hyperkin has on for about $12 ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hyperkin-NES-Controller-to-NES-Classic-Mini-WiiU-or-Wii-Adapter-/152470253510?hash=item237fef6fc6:g:gTIAAOSwopRYkctM (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hyperkin-NES-Controller-to-NES-Classic-Mini-WiiU-or-Wii-Adapter-/152470253510?hash=item237fef6fc6:g:gTIAAOSwopRYkctM) )

He was talking about th Wii classic controller !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 15, 2017, 01:05:52 pm
You shouldn't have to explain that man.  How would replacing a controller with an identical controller, both of which only have two buttons instead of the needed three be a solution?  I even said classic controller, which is the name of the gamepad.  Common sense people.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: deadmoney5 on March 15, 2017, 04:48:38 pm
You shouldn't have to explain that man.  How would replacing a controller with an identical controller, both of which only have two buttons instead of the needed three be a solution?  I even said classic controller, which is the name of the gamepad.  Common sense people.

no need to be a ---meecrob---.  I know NOTHING about the the terrible Wii U.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on March 15, 2017, 06:59:05 pm
It's hacked in 10 minutes and Zelda and Super Mario Maker are legit.

 :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on March 15, 2017, 07:11:04 pm
Dont forget paper mario and super mario 3d world. A shortage of titles yes, but a solid console.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on March 15, 2017, 07:19:10 pm
in --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- hacked to run SNES games.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: deadmoney5 on March 16, 2017, 10:24:21 am
It's hacked in 10 minutes and Zelda and Super Mario Maker are legit.

 :dunno

I would just get a Switch now though...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on March 20, 2017, 10:48:23 am
So I keep reading that Nintendo ceased production of these and that Wal-Mart clearanced them out.   :-[
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on March 20, 2017, 11:58:40 am
So I keep reading that Nintendo ceased production of these and that Wal-Mart clearanced them out.   :-[
Source?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on March 20, 2017, 12:05:29 pm
The price on the unit and all accessories has been dropping on walmart.com.  It was $37 for 5 minutes this morning.

The "ceased production" crap is just people speculating on reddit, but I've asked at a few stores in Houston and NONE of them have gotten any stock besides the first handful in November.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 20, 2017, 05:28:47 pm
Nintendo says they are still making them and it's still advertised on their site.  I believe the same company that makes them is also making the switch, so it could just be that they have shifted production to those extra Switches they need (they are already exceeding their monthly goal). 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 24, 2017, 12:11:29 am
So wtf?  This damn thing came out in Nov.  I've been checking the sites pretty regularly and with the exception of a few random shipments to best buy's online site I haven't seen any stock. 

Do you think they are hoarding them for Easter?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on March 24, 2017, 12:26:31 am
So wtf?  This damn thing came out in Nov.  I've been checking the sites pretty regularly and with the exception of a few random shipments to best buy's online site I haven't seen any stock. 

Do you think they are hoarding them for Easter?

Think they just didn't think the demand would be there and figured it was a filler for a few quick bucks during the holiday season since the Switch wasn't ready - then when it launched it was too late to catch up ( figure they had already planned one restock after the initial shipment which is what we've seen as the one restock since) and then they had already moved focus to the switch. Whether they'll have a second restock wave or just move on to a new item (ie. a SNES mini for next holiday) is still to be seen.

Then the scalpers tying up the limited stock didn't help either with the thousands of units they held up in the sales channel and made online inventory sell out in minutes so that retail inventory never even made it onto th shelves since employees bought them (or stole them) to resell at inflated prices also. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on March 24, 2017, 03:09:08 pm
Only explination I can think of is that Switch is a bigger money maker and nintendo wants to focus on that for now.    The discontinued thing is what retailers say when they dont show a new stock coming in soon.  I was at total wine recently looking for a hard to find beer.  The computer did not show any more stock being delivered so guy checking for me told me it must be discontinued.  In fact it was not discontinued and i got another pack just down the street.

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on March 24, 2017, 03:11:36 pm
Eh, well, when all your major online vendors don't even have a product page for it....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 24, 2017, 04:11:58 pm
It was my understanding that they took down the product pages because the sites were getting hammered too hard by people constantly checking. 

You go to Nintendo's page and they still have all the vendors listed, but they've removed the links.  So I don't know what is going on. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on March 24, 2017, 07:19:59 pm
It was my understanding that they took down the product pages because the sites were getting hammered too hard by people constantly checking. 

You go to Nintendo's page and they still have all the vendors listed, but they've removed the links.  So I don't know what is going on.

It's surprising that they haven't said one way or the other what is going on with them - you'd think Nintendo would at least release an update whether more are on the way or not.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 25, 2017, 07:05:19 pm
Maybe that's it.  Maybe they aren't sure if they are going to continue production or not.  I mean the switch is doing really well, so they don't need the money.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on March 29, 2017, 10:27:31 pm
Best buy got a shippment today.  So probably not done yet.

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on April 07, 2017, 11:03:06 pm
Looks like Walmart is getting a restock - 4 of the stores near me are showing 6 in stock tonight - anyone that is still looking might want to check brickseek and see if their local stores got any !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 07, 2017, 11:19:52 pm
Holy crap you are right!  March 7th.... what a completely random time to get them in. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 08, 2017, 12:25:43 pm
Finally got one.  I owe you one JDFan. 

I'll order one of those wireless gamepads I mentioned a while ago to see if they are any good. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on April 08, 2017, 12:42:14 pm
Finally got one.  I owe you one JDFan. 

I'll order one of those wireless gamepads I mentioned a while ago to see if they are any good.

 :cheers:

Glad to hear - the stores here all sold out a bit after the night crew finished - not sure if that was from the employees buying them after their shifts ended or if customers actually saw them this time ! ( noticed a couple stores went down a bit during the night but a couple others stayed at 6 until just about the time the shifts would be changing.)

Were they in the display case in the store you got yours at or did you have an employee find it for you ?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 08, 2017, 05:06:30 pm
They put them in the wrong display area.... they were with the Wii U stuff.  Mom inexplicably wanted one, so we got 2 out of the last three.  This store got 7 in and they held that amount until this morning.  Around 10 to 11 was when they sold them all.... I guess people didn't want to get up early on a Saturday.

Most of the stores here got one or two at least.  I believe they are all sold out now.  With a nationwide push like that it makes me think the shortages might finally be coming to an end.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 08, 2017, 05:58:29 pm
Awesome! 

Tons of cheap accessories on Ali Express.  I've pondered ordering them now so they're here when I finally get the NES.

Kinda surprised it hasn't been cloned yet.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on April 08, 2017, 08:42:42 pm
Most of the stores here got one or two at least.  I believe they are all sold out now.  With a nationwide push like that it makes me think the shortages might finally be coming to an end.

Just checked Brickseek again and the 2 local stores that did not get them yesterday are now showing 18 at 1 store and 12 at the other ( and the others are all sold out of the 6 they all got ) - so you might be right (or they might be out again after these sell for another 2 months  :dunno )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 08, 2017, 10:21:08 pm
Yeah Aliexpress is where I'll order some stuff. 

I've been battling with migraines this week but I played it for a few min this evening.  The interface is slick and well designed.  Emulation seems to be really good, but it isn't perfect.... I noticed the slightest bit of screen tearing with filters on and fast screen scrolling.  The gamepad is spot on excluding the short cable.  I had one of my childhood pads I held for comparison... aside from the fact that it isn't as worn out I couldn't really tell much difference.  Btw the crt filter is pretty decent.  No it isn't terribly accurate, but it is a good approximation if you don't like things all pixelated. 

But you know nit picks aside it boots in 5 seconds, it plays the games and it has hdmi out so they don't look like interlaced crap.  Close enough if you ask me.   
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 09, 2017, 01:00:22 am
Yeah, yeah, keep rubbing it in.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on April 09, 2017, 02:42:36 pm
Yeah, yeah, keep rubbing it in.
Get enough surveys in an you will might have enough amazon money to buy one when they are in full stock online.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 09, 2017, 03:09:49 pm
Son, I'm sitting on $250 in Amazon, I'm good to go.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 10, 2017, 10:32:40 pm
So I modded it this morning.  The process is fairly painless and it looks like there are retroarch modules from the 2600 all the way up to the playstation.  I've got to wonder what the point of psx and sega cd emulation is considering you only have 300 mb of space.  I haven't put on any extra games yet as I'm going through the 30 included just for the hell of it.  (Even though I've played and beaten most of them countless times.) 

When I do I'm going to put sensible titles on there.... strictly turbo grafx, Gameboy, 7800, ect.  You know, stuff that works with just a d-pad and two buttons. 

Also ben heck took apart a gamepad on his show recently and as I suspected, they use the classic controller chip and just don't connect the extra buttons.  So you could add a home button, but I'm not sure what the point would be with the new hacks. 

I hope my controller extensions come in soon.... it sucks to play with it on my belly.  It looks like I've given up on life or something. 

I've got to think that if they figure out external storage and the shortage ever ends this little guy could become the go to emulation box.  It has a great, skinnable, gui, it boots quickly and it is easy to add more emulators and games. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on April 10, 2017, 11:40:37 pm
I hope my controller extensions come in soon.... it sucks to play with it on my belly.  It looks like I've given up on life or something.

Yeah not sure what the designer was thinking when he came up with the controller cable length !

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 11, 2017, 12:01:25 am
Try out one of those SNES controllers meant for the Wii... If that'll work, it pretty much covers everything.

Surely Nintendo would release their own SNES version of this console...

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 11, 2017, 12:41:57 pm
Yeah all the wii/wii u style gamepads use the classic controller chip and the nes classic can read all of those buttons.  While the nes games don't really take advantage of them (except the home button) all the third party emulators do and some of the firmware hacks allow the x/y buttons to act as turbo a/b, ect. 

Those controllers use I2C as a protocol, so I don't think it would be terribly hard to spoof one with an Arduino or similar avr.  So an adapter box for the more unique gamepads like the genesis and Atari wouldn't be out of the question.  Hell someone could probably make a HID 2 I2C adapter. 

Myself, I don't really want to use it for consoles that I have alternatives for.  I've got everdrives for the genesis (which covers the master system as well), n64 and snes.  A lot of consoles just have controller layouts that don't work well with the gamepads currently available for the system and it is less hassle for me to just pull out the original console and use it instead.  Plus, until they get the storage issue sorted, most libraries won't fit on it.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on April 11, 2017, 04:12:52 pm
Thanks for the Walmart tip.  I went to one walmart today that said there was 7 and I asked a guy working in electronics who said he had not seen them in a while.  I went to another walmart and asked.  The guy said oh yeah we have them in the back.  Manager got me one, which he said was the last one. 

The guy at Walmart said they stopped displaying them so that they could display the switch. They just keep the nes classics in the back. This walmart also had 2-3 switch consoles on had.

Thanks for the tip here guys.  What is best place in us for extension cords for console?

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 11, 2017, 04:19:54 pm
If you want them cheap, aliexpress.  If you want them fast ebay.  I ordered two from ebay for around 6 bucks and I should expect them in by the end of next week.  With aliexpress, it's anyone's guess when they will come in as the vendor allows 2 months.  I would have only saved around 2 dollars so I went with ebay. 

Something of note is the cords on all the third party controllers are long, so you don't need any for them. 

I ordered a wireless one from aliexpress to see how well they work but it hasn't even showed up on the tracking number yet... so we'll see. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bootsector on April 12, 2017, 06:27:06 am
Yeah all the wii/wii u style gamepads use the classic controller chip and the nes classic can read all of those buttons.  While the nes games don't really take advantage of them (except the home button) all the third party emulators do and some of the firmware hacks allow the x/y buttons to act as turbo a/b, ect. 

Those controllers use I2C as a protocol, so I don't think it would be terribly hard to spoof one with an Arduino or similar avr.  So an adapter box for the more unique gamepads like the genesis and Atari wouldn't be out of the question.  Hell someone could probably make a HID 2 I2C adapter. 

Myself, I don't really want to use it for consoles that I have alternatives for.  I've got everdrives for the genesis (which covers the master system as well), n64 and snes.  A lot of consoles just have controller layouts that don't work well with the gamepads currently available for the system and it is less hassle for me to just pull out the original console and use it instead.  Plus, until they get the storage issue sorted, most libraries won't fit on it.
This open source and open hardware adapter works with the NES Classic: https://github.com/bootsector/wii-retropad-adapter
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on April 12, 2017, 10:01:22 am
Thanks.  I also checked raphnet.  He has snes, n64, gc 3-in-1 adaptor for about 35 us. 

http://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/adap_snes_n64_gc_to_wiimote/index.php

I ended up ordering 2 extension cords plus an knockoff nes controller for about 13 bucks shipped on ebay.    Will probably just enjoy nes for a while then look into retropi.  I have a shield tv w hyperspin but wow the emulation of nes on that think was bad.  Real bad. But perhaps it was the bulky shield controller.  Lag seemed noticable on the shield even i games like ducktales and megaman. Hopefully it is better on the classic.


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 13, 2017, 03:05:37 pm
Nintendo officially hates money.

www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/13/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-edition (http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/13/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-edition)

 :banghead:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 13, 2017, 03:21:43 pm
Well it's IGN... let's wait a day or two and make sure it isn't b.s. recycled rumors. 

That means I'm going to have to start spamming brickseek to get extra gamepads.  One of the gamepads arrived from ebay (some North Carolina company) and while it fully functions and looks nearly identical to the official gamepad, things are just a little off.  The d-pad is a bit too stiff as are the start and select buttons.  Also the a and b buttons are flat instead of concave... a cardinal sin if you ask me.  It might be fixable via a gamepad repair kit or something. 


If it is indeed cancelled, I say the hackers go ahead and port the OS and emulators to run on a similarly priced arm computer.  Every single component on the thing is off the shelf except for the controller ports so I've got to think that it wouldn't bee too difficult to get it running on something else. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 8BitMonk on April 13, 2017, 03:22:25 pm
Nintendo officially hates money.

www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/13/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-edition (http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/13/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-edition)

 :banghead:

Yeah I don't get it. Let's make just enough of these to pique interest, never meet demand and then discontinue, wtf.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: wp34 on April 13, 2017, 03:24:14 pm
Nintendo officially hates money.

www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/13/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-edition (http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/04/13/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-edition)

 :banghead:

Well said.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 13, 2017, 03:27:51 pm
Our favorite Chinese auction site currently has the NES Classic's all in one chip on sale for 4 bucks a pop

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ALLWINNER-CPU-R16-AXP223-R16-CHIP-R16-IC-R16-POWER-IC-AXP223-New-original-2PCS-LOT/32717446653.html?spm=2114.40010608.4.2.yGd5Z9 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ALLWINNER-CPU-R16-AXP223-R16-CHIP-R16-IC-R16-POWER-IC-AXP223-New-original-2PCS-LOT/32717446653.html?spm=2114.40010608.4.2.yGd5Z9)

Somebody design a board and make some money. 

Better yet, somebody figure out which tablets with hdmi out use this chip. 

*update*

This board isn't identical, but it is in the same family and has similar specs:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NanoPi-NEO-Allwinner-H3-Development-Board-Run-UbuntuCore/32783215679.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.5.dRY4pe&scm=1007.13338.79672.000000000000000&pvid=5e70572d-4d19-450b-a817-757ec082d4eb&tpp=1 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NanoPi-NEO-Allwinner-H3-Development-Board-Run-UbuntuCore/32783215679.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.5.dRY4pe&scm=1007.13338.79672.000000000000000&pvid=5e70572d-4d19-450b-a817-757ec082d4eb&tpp=1)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 13, 2017, 03:36:26 pm
When I lived in the Caribbean, one of the recurrent jokes about store owners down there was they'd tell you, "I quit selling it, I couldn't keep it in stock."

Good job, Nintendo.



(I mean, yes, yes, I get it.  Sometimes things are an enormous hassle and not worth the return, but it sure seems dumb.  And turns people like me into hoarders who buy everything on the shelf when they come across something rare that they want.)




Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 13, 2017, 03:50:50 pm
I'm not sure what their reasoning is.  Yes, the Switch is out and yes it is selling well, but if that Nintendo Direct is any indication they don't really have many new games coming to it this year, so things could slump and the Classic would be a good way to earn extra pocket change. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: wp34 on April 13, 2017, 04:10:21 pm
I assume they are gearing up for the Super Nintendo Classic.  While I much prefer the SNES to the NES I am most certainly in the minority.  Nintendo should milk the NES Classic market for all it is worth before moving on.  My non-gaming friends are more interested in the NES Classic than they are the Switch or the SNES Classic.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on April 13, 2017, 08:09:10 pm
I assume they are gearing up for the Super Nintendo Classic.  While I much prefer the SNES to the NES I am most certainly in the minority.  Nintendo should milk the NES Classic market for all it is worth before moving on.  My non-gaming friends are more interested in the NES Classic than they are the Switch or the SNES Classic.

SNES Classic would be nice. I would like an HDMI hookup. the output from the SNES just does not look great on a modern TV.

I have a SNES I have had since I was a kid and the plastic hasn't even Bominated itself to that lovely yellow color.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 14, 2017, 09:36:19 am
Camped outside my Target this morning (it's Good Friday, what the hell else am I supposed to do? work?).  They opened the other side first, and I was fourth in line for 3 NES Classics. 

Oh well.

 :'(
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: wp34 on April 14, 2017, 09:41:29 am
I assume they are gearing up for the Super Nintendo Classic.  While I much prefer the SNES to the NES I am most certainly in the minority.  Nintendo should milk the NES Classic market for all it is worth before moving on.  My non-gaming friends are more interested in the NES Classic than they are the Switch or the SNES Classic.

SNES Classic would be nice. I would like an HDMI hookup. the output from the SNES just does not look great on a modern TV.

I have a SNES I have had since I was a kid and the plastic hasn't even Bominated itself to that lovely yellow color.

I still have mine as well but would like the HDMI hookup as well.

If they would have made enough classics to meet demand I had hoped to pick one up on sale or off CL eventually.  Now they will be collectors items I guess.    :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 14, 2017, 03:55:03 pm
If you use the rgb out on the snes and then put it through a  conveter box to hdmi it looks really good. 

Thinking on it a bit more the reason they stopped making it might be piracy.  Nintendo prints money by selling you old games on the virtual console for a minimum of 5 bucks a pop.  Since it can be hacked so easily they might be worried that it'll eat into the profit when the VC comes to the switch. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: knave on April 14, 2017, 04:44:23 pm
The eager little boy collector in me kinda wants to go out and find one. However I had one in my card at best buy and left it in favor of just loading roms on an android TV box.

At the end of the day I would put it in a box like the 4 original xbox consoles I have.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 14, 2017, 05:27:24 pm
So yes for an Ouya and no for an actual games console.  We've got to get you better taste.  ;)

Saw a CNN news piece about the switch, it broke an all time sales record for Nintendo last month.  So they don't need the money I guess, but damn if I had a product that people were desperate to buy I would keep making it until they weren't at least. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: knave on April 14, 2017, 06:29:45 pm
So yes for an Ouya and no for an actual games console.  We've got to get you better taste.  ;)

Saw a CNN news piece about the switch, it broke an all time sales record for Nintendo last month.  So they don't need the money I guess, but damn if I had a product that people were desperate to buy I would keep making it until they weren't at least.

LOL, the NES Classic is essentially an OUYA with a custom OS and less features . . . and a really short cord.  >:D

I don't get the impression that Nintendo cares at all about the NES Classic as a product. It was a means to get Hype prior to the switch and now it can fall into obscurity.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 14, 2017, 09:23:51 pm
You keep telling yourself that man.  Maybe it'll ease the pain a bit longer. 

There's something more to it than just a stop gap.  Getting buttons and stuff like that molded within the tolerances they needed at and the quality level that the shell is would have taken a decent amount of R&D.  Ditto with the gamepad. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 15, 2017, 01:40:09 am
The flip the power button, load a game, and shut it off cleanly are the essential parts of the experience I've been hammering on for years.  Yes, if you're willing to wade through a river of filth, you can play NES games.  It's been like that since the mid-90s.  Well done.

And yes, I made my mother go to the Walmart in her Podunk retirement town today, and despite what brickseek said, they haven't seen them in months.

 :'(
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 15, 2017, 03:05:19 pm
Well some are saying now that the statement actually said there aren't any more plans to continue production *this year* and the famicom mini in Japan is still in production. 

Hopefully we'll start seeing clone systems pretty soon regardless.  Like I mentioned earlier, there isn't anything particularly special about the hardware inside the thing.  There was board darn near identical that are available right now for less than 30 dollars.  The key is getting that front end ported or getting someone to make a clone of it from scratch. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ark_ader on April 18, 2017, 02:45:48 am
Why cannot somebody 3d scan a mini nintendo case, call it something else and make inserts for a pi zero and powered usb hub and print them out?

It's naughty, but you know the chinese knock off outfits probably have them in the works.  I don't know about the controllers, but I saw a couple of usb replicas going cheap at gamestop.  BYOAC right?

Too late: https://all3dp.com/raspberry-pi-nintendo-nes-case/
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: EssexMame on April 18, 2017, 05:43:20 am
So glad I got one now. My wife paid over the odds for it on Fleabay for Christmas and I did wonder if it was worth it but I KNOW I'd be cross now if I couldn't get one!

Strange decision but that's already been said many times. I wonder if they will make and stockpile them while they aren't available and re-launch for Christmas? It's not like a new gen console where if you miss 6 months you're too late as people have moved on or bought your rivals consoles. Retro remains retro and the demand will stay more or less the same.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 18, 2017, 11:09:56 am
Too late: https://all3dp.com/raspberry-pi-nintendo-nes-case/

What we want is the operating system and GUI.  The cases are covered.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 18, 2017, 11:15:49 am
Here come the clones..... no HDMI though...


http://list.qoo10.sg/item/Qoo10--DAY-ONLY-MINI-ENTERTAINMENTQoo10/524699027?jaehuid=Q100025156 (http://list.qoo10.sg/item/Qoo10--DAY-ONLY-MINI-ENTERTAINMENTQoo10/524699027?jaehuid=Q100025156)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 18, 2017, 02:20:39 pm
Looks like they just took the 500 in 1 famiclones that have been for sale for years and crammed it inside a poorly made mini nes shell. 

Even though you'd have to deal with a cruddy version of Linux, a retro pie would probably be a better option than that. 

Btw... did you guys see the new orange pi wireless version?  It's basically a pi zero w in terms of footprint and layout but sports much better specs and sells for less than 10 bucks.  I believe that it uses a chip from the same family as the nes classic, so it could potentially be a good platform to port the nes classic's os.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 18, 2017, 05:30:44 pm
These also exist....

http://list.qoo10.sg/item/FAMILY-COMPUTER-HDMI-CONSOLE-SYSTEM-2-WIRELESS-CONTROLLER-BONUS/522056768 (http://list.qoo10.sg/item/FAMILY-COMPUTER-HDMI-CONSOLE-SYSTEM-2-WIRELESS-CONTROLLER-BONUS/522056768)

Now I sit here and decide if I want to dump $130 on a Famicom Classic from Japan.

 :banghead:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on April 18, 2017, 10:22:48 pm
These also exist....

http://list.qoo10.sg/item/FAMILY-COMPUTER-HDMI-CONSOLE-SYSTEM-2-WIRELESS-CONTROLLER-BONUS/522056768 (http://list.qoo10.sg/item/FAMILY-COMPUTER-HDMI-CONSOLE-SYSTEM-2-WIRELESS-CONTROLLER-BONUS/522056768)

Now I sit here and decide if I want to dump $130 on a Famicom Classic from Japan.

 :banghead:
Save your $$.  At 130 you are close to an avs but if you are going to spend money on an avs, might as well go for the multicore nt mini.  This type of logic is dangerous but it works.

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 19, 2017, 12:22:34 am
These also exist....

http://list.qoo10.sg/item/FAMILY-COMPUTER-HDMI-CONSOLE-SYSTEM-2-WIRELESS-CONTROLLER-BONUS/522056768 (http://list.qoo10.sg/item/FAMILY-COMPUTER-HDMI-CONSOLE-SYSTEM-2-WIRELESS-CONTROLLER-BONUS/522056768)

Now I sit here and decide if I want to dump $130 on a Famicom Classic from Japan.

 :banghead:

Hmm..... I think I would have to see it in action before tossing that much money in.  There is a decent chance it doesn't play NES carts and/or the video quality could be poor.  I mean those are IR-based gamepads, so they certainly aren't going for quality.  It's really odd that it has NES game ports on the front. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on April 19, 2017, 07:54:57 am
Interesting article on Eurogamer ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-04-19-sources-nintendo-to-launch-snes-mini-this-year (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-04-19-sources-nintendo-to-launch-snes-mini-this-year) )

Quote
Last week, Nintendo explained that it never intended NES mini to be a permanent product. From the company's perspective, the microconsole was planned as a cool novelty item perfect for Christmas 2016, and the numbers in which it was manufactured and shipped were expected to be enough to suit this goal.

But NES mini ended up breaking out to become more popular than anticipated and quickly sold out, leading to a bustling resale market on eBay. NES mini shipments continued into the early part of this year, but its production run could not be extended further - as SNES mini was slated for production instead.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 19, 2017, 10:59:44 am
AVS and Multicore NT Mini don't have save states. 

 :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 19, 2017, 11:51:14 am
Do you need save states?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 19, 2017, 11:54:46 am
If I'm paying $200, I need save states.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 19, 2017, 11:57:53 am
meh, I'll trade up save states for high score leaderboard uploading any day of the week.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 19, 2017, 12:12:07 pm
Why not both?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 19, 2017, 12:38:43 pm
Does that product currently exist?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 19, 2017, 01:39:55 pm
meh, I'll trade up save states for high score leaderboard uploading any day of the week.


Yes and you and the 12 other people that bought that overpriced pos... err alternative... can compete. ;)   Seriously man you paid and extra 100 bucks for the convenience of not trading scores on a message board.  You know the saying about people in glass houses and what not. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 19, 2017, 02:12:41 pm
meh, I'll trade up save states for high score leaderboard uploading any day of the week.


Yes and you and the 12 other people that bought that overpriced pos... err alternative... can compete. ;)   Seriously man you paid and extra 100 bucks for the convenience of not trading scores on a message board.  You know the saying about people in glass houses and what not. 

Well that's not the only reason.  But it was a compelling one.

Famicom game support plus expansion audio was another, as well as famicom controller support. I've enjoyed playing Arkaniod and Doh on this with my Vaus controller since I don't have a spinner set-up for my cabinets.

I love that it can run off a USB connection for power, minimizing cables or need of yet another power outlet.

And it's a hellava lot less input laggy than what the Classic Edition has. I played the a Classic Edition at a friend's place and it was really apparent that it's running some kind of emulation cause the lag felt like I was playing on a pi.  And he has a Benq Zowie which is one of the monitors fighting game tourneys use, so high response.

These points alone are worth the extra $100 to me, but what really tops it off with a cherry is how much you lose your mind every time the device is mentioned. That's worth the price tag alone! :lol
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 19, 2017, 08:36:52 pm
I was just messing with you man.  One of these days you'll figure out when but until that day I enjoy the reaction.  :)

I haven't noticed any significant input lag.  It might be your friend's monitor or some interaction between it and his switches/cables/ect.  I get that it's a tournament monitor or whatever, but all it boils down to is if the hdmi connections do well with each other.  I noticed that the nes classic doesn't activate my auto switching hdmi hub, so it could be using an old protocol.  I mean I fired up punch out and I managed to do ok. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on April 22, 2017, 03:51:47 pm
I've got to think that if they figure out external storage and the shortage ever ends this little guy could become the go to emulation box.  It has a great, skinnable, gui, it boots quickly and it is easy to add more emulators and games.

Hmm. That seems a bit of a stretch to me.

I can certainly understand the appeal of hacking it to run extra NES ROMS. But to hack it beyond that point would seriously undermine the plug and play simplicity that is the device’s main appeal.

If you want to emulate systems other than the NES then IMHO it makes more sense to buy a Raspberry Pi or equivalent.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 22, 2017, 04:06:10 pm
Looks at pbj's responses.  The pi isn't an answer because you don't just boot it and it works and it doesn't startup or shutdown quickly enough.  We've been able to get roms on the bigscreen for decades now.... the thing is getting them there effortlessly, quickly and cheaply. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 22, 2017, 05:16:33 pm
A small form PC is still the best solution for arcade projects. Period.

Xbox original (not 360, not One) is actually pretty great because of CoinOps, and you can connect to a component TV easily without doing any configuring. Unlike the Pi.

The Pi is cool for size, but setup sucks if you don't dig Linux and start-up/shutdown is slower than a tweaked windows machine, and is prone to corrupting the sd card.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on April 22, 2017, 06:40:07 pm
Looks at pbj's responses.  The pi isn't an answer because you don't just boot it and it works and it doesn't startup or shutdown quickly enough.  We've been able to get roms on the bigscreen for decades now.... the thing is getting them there effortlessly, quickly and cheaply.

Actually, you’re wrong. You can boot a Pi and have it just work, if that’s what you want. There are literally dozens of pre-built Retro Pie images all over the net. All you have to do is download one of them, install it to an SD card and you’re ready to go. That’s about as effortless, cheap, and quick as you’re going to get.

If you want to do the same thing with the NES mini, you’ll first have to work out how to increase the flash memory, and attach generic USB controllers as not all games will work well with the NES ones. So, as a minimum, you’ll probably need to hack in a USB hub, and a USB flash drive. That means getting out your soldering iron. Even if you manage to do that, you’ll still be left with a device that has only 1/4 of the RPi’s RAM, and no wired or wireless networking support. You could, I suppose, add a wireless dongle to get networking, but it’s now starting to get complicated and expensive. And once you’ve sorted out the hardware, you’ll still need to install the software.

Personally, I’d prefer to start with a device that was designed to be hacked in the first place, and which has five years of support behind it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on April 22, 2017, 06:50:25 pm
A small form PC is still the best solution for arcade projects. Period.

Xbox original (not 360, not One) is actually pretty great because of CoinOps, and you can connect to a component TV easily without doing any configuring. Unlike the Pi.

The Pi is cool for size, but setup sucks if you don't dig Linux and start-up/shutdown is slower than a tweaked windows machine, and is prone to corrupting the sd card.

The PI does take a while to start up but it shuts down very quickly.

With regards to SD card corruption, it's never happened to me, but I can see why it might theoretically be a problem. However, it's perfectly possible to set up a Pi so that it never writes to the SD card. There are tutorials all over the net that explain how to do this. It's not difficult but it does require you to use the Linux command line. Actually, now I think about it, I'm surprised it's not a standard feature built in to Retro Pie. Maybe someone should contact the developers to see whether they'd be willing to add it as an option.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ark_ader on April 23, 2017, 06:34:15 am
A small form PC is still the best solution for arcade projects. Period.

Xbox original (not 360, not One) is actually pretty great because of CoinOps, and you can connect to a component TV easily without doing any configuring. Unlike the Pi.

The Pi is cool for size, but setup sucks if you don't dig Linux and start-up/shutdown is slower than a tweaked windows machine, and is prone to corrupting the sd card.

The PI does take a while to start up but it shuts down very quickly.

With regards to SD card corruption, it's never happened to me, but I can see why it might theoretically be a problem. However, it's perfectly possible to set up a Pi so that it never writes to the SD card. There are tutorials all over the net that explain how to do this. It's not difficult but it does require you to use the Linux command line. Actually, now I think about it, I'm surprised it's not a standard feature built in to Retro Pie. Maybe someone should contact the developers to see whether they'd be willing to add it as an option.

Just make the SD card read only after putting all the roms in.  Just like in the days of old when Linux came on a DVD.  No corruption.  I only had one card corrupt on me when I pulled the power out of the Pi.  It was a crappy PNY.  You can create a swap with 16mb of RAM, then only one write is needed if any.  You can add the option yourself without asking for help (BYOAC Remember).   It is a hobby, so you learn as you go.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 23, 2017, 11:54:56 am
Just make the SD card read only after putting all the roms in.  Just like in the days of old when Linux came on a DVD.  No corruption.  I only had one card corrupt on me when I pulled the power out of the Pi.  It was a crappy PNY.  You can create a swap with 16mb of RAM, then only one write is needed if any.  You can add the option yourself without asking for help (BYOAC Remember).   It is a hobby, so you learn as you go.
What about saving high scores? Or save data for console games? It's uncertain when each and every emulator chooses to access the card to write to, so you are gambling to when it's safe to shutdown.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 23, 2017, 07:26:18 pm
Yeah shutting down Linux early is even more dangerous than shutting down windows early.  Also I think some people aren't getting it.  The nes classic just works.  There's no compiling of a kernel, no install or setup of emulators ect.  I don't mind doing that stuff, but as I get older I have less and less time to do that sort of thing and I would rather spend it playing games and modding games... my favorite parts of the hobby.  Even the hacked in emulators... there's no setup, you just check the box that you want to install them and drag the roms over. 

The pi is ok, but it isn't a better solution than this stream lined little OS that Nintendo has built. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ark_ader on April 23, 2017, 09:32:22 pm
Just make the SD card read only after putting all the roms in.  Just like in the days of old when Linux came on a DVD.  No corruption.  I only had one card corrupt on me when I pulled the power out of the Pi.  It was a crappy PNY.  You can create a swap with 16mb of RAM, then only one write is needed if any.  You can add the option yourself without asking for help (BYOAC Remember).   It is a hobby, so you learn as you go.
What about saving high scores? Or save data for console games? It's uncertain when each and every emulator chooses to access the card to write to, so you are gambling to when it's safe to shutdown.

I can understand the high score saving part as that is very useful, but unless you use android, you will have OS corruption.   That is life.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: jmike on April 24, 2017, 07:28:37 am
 Supposedly Best Buy will have the NES Classic available in stores this morning.
Get there early to snag one.

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/23/15401460/nintendo-nes-classic-best-buy-final-sale?yptr=yahoo (http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/23/15401460/nintendo-nes-classic-best-buy-final-sale?yptr=yahoo)


 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: wp34 on April 24, 2017, 09:54:35 am
I had an appointment this morning near one of our Best Buys.  Thought I would swing by afterword on my way to work and there were people already waiting in lawn chairs outside the door.  Just kept driving.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 24, 2017, 10:12:50 am
Yep, Nintendo already got 30 minutes of my life.  That was enough.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 8BitMonk on April 24, 2017, 11:32:02 am
So I got the Best Buy email alert and figured I'd stop by and if there was no line I'd try to snag one.

I get there, line starts to form and I'm second in line thinking hey I have a good shot at getting one when I notice the guy who's first in line has a slip of paper, uh-oh. People ask him what the slip of paper is for and he says there were a bunch of people there camped out at 5am. and a Best Buy rep gave them the slips to reserve a unit and they could come back later to buy them!?

Wtf Best Buy, I thought this was first come first serve WHEN THE DOORS OPEN! Is this a known thing I'm out of the loop on? Not that I'd have shown up anyway but I didn't think anyone from BB would be there at 5 in the morning. At that point I was 99% sure all the units had been 'reserved' so I didn't even wait for the doors to open, just left my place in line cursing Nintendo and Best Buy for robbing me of 30 minutes of my life. :hissy:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on April 24, 2017, 03:06:15 pm
A small form PC is still the best solution for arcade projects. Period.

Xbox original (not 360, not One) is actually pretty great because of CoinOps, and you can connect to a component TV easily without doing any configuring. Unlike the Pi.

The Pi is cool for size, but setup sucks if you don't dig Linux and start-up/shutdown is slower than a tweaked windows machine, and is prone to corrupting the sd card.

The PI does take a while to start up but it shuts down very quickly.

With regards to SD card corruption, it's never happened to me, but I can see why it might theoretically be a problem. However, it's perfectly possible to set up a Pi so that it never writes to the SD card. There are tutorials all over the net that explain how to do this. It's not difficult but it does require you to use the Linux command line. Actually, now I think about it, I'm surprised it's not a standard feature built in to Retro Pie. Maybe someone should contact the developers to see whether they'd be willing to add it as an option.

Just make the SD card read only after putting all the roms in.  Just like in the days of old when Linux came on a DVD.  No corruption.  I only had one card corrupt on me when I pulled the power out of the Pi.  It was a crappy PNY.  You can create a swap with 16mb of RAM, then only one write is needed if any.  You can add the option yourself without asking for help (BYOAC Remember).   It is a hobby, so you learn as you go.

You might get away with doing that. The trouble is, there are many badly behaved programs around that insist on writing to the disk whether you want them to or not. If you don't allow them to write to the disk, you run the risk of them crashing or behaving in an unexpected way.

Therefore, a better and much cleaner approach is to mount the sdcard's file system as read only, and then overlay the filesystem with a read-write filesystem that writes to RAM. A fairly good guide on how to do this can be found here:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=161416&p=1044893 (https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=161416&p=1044893)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on April 24, 2017, 03:43:36 pm
Or do what I do.

Not worry about it and make sure you have a back up img of the sd card just in case.

But as long as they are shutdown properly they should be fine. I have never corrupted a pi card.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 27, 2017, 04:47:53 pm
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkEaRw1EE_c#)

And with that, my interest in owning a real NES Classic shriveled like a testicle in cold water.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 27, 2017, 06:04:06 pm
That's been out for a while man.  It's just a skin for Launch Box, so it's yet another front end for windows.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on April 27, 2017, 09:00:36 pm

And with that, my interest in owning a real NES Classic shriveled like a testicle in cold water.

Having one ball must suck.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on April 27, 2017, 09:02:04 pm

And with that, my interest in owning a real NES Classic shriveled like a testicle in cold water.

Having one ball must suck.

hey, only 50% chance of knocking the o'l lady up.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 27, 2017, 10:04:47 pm
It's a theme for Attract Mode and the latest release came out three weeks ago.

 :dunno

And give monorchids a break.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 27, 2017, 10:18:58 pm
Sorry, all front-ends look alike to me.  I get them all mixed up at this point.  My point is after all that talk about wanting a solution that boots up quickly and just works you are back to windows?!?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on April 28, 2017, 09:21:21 am
It's Attract Mode on a Pi.   :P  You know, that device I already own 2 of and don't use.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on April 30, 2017, 10:36:01 pm
Here are some quick thoughts because I finally got around to playing this thing.  I don't have a Pi but I have used emulators on several devices, xbox, wii, my arcade cab, and most recently the shield tv.  I played the NES Classic for sometime this weekend.  It is a great experience.  The experience is well above the other emulation experiences I have had in the past.  I understand the draw of this quick and easy device.  Played through Mega Man 2, it was way better than any other emulation experience I have used in the past.  It is the ease of use that this thing has going for it. 

The only downfall is that I have to get up and reset the console when I want to switch games (I am using a long controller extension).  Would be nice to have a wireless controller (like the one Howard reviewed) but with a home button to go back to the main menu.

I was against buying this at first because I was planning on saving up for an NT Mini.  I thought that this would just cut into the funds I planned to spend on the NT Mini but I was wrong.  I like this thing and I am glad I bought it. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on April 30, 2017, 11:14:22 pm
The only downfall is that I have to get up and reset the console when I want to switch games (I am using a long controller extension).  Would be nice to have a wireless controller (like the one Howard reviewed) but with a home button to go back to the main menu.

The Hakchi mod used to add games also includes the home setting using any key combination you set up (this is the main reason I modded mine) - it is a very easy process to add it and this opption alone makes it worth doing !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 30, 2017, 11:20:07 pm
Exactly.  The end user experience is so finely polished that only Nintendo could pull it off.  I initially got it as a really fun collectable, but after using it I was immediately hooked.  Settings are easy to change (what few you have anyway), the save states are easy to manage... the filters and sorting are good ect....  From a guy that's made front-ends for the better part of 15 years I can tell you that their particular interface, as Spartan as it is, just hits the mark really well.  It's something that a youtube video can't capture. 

I'm glad they are aping the look via Attract Mode, and I'm sure I'll be using that for a future project now, but my guess is it won't be nearly as easy to setup and maintain.

Btw definately do the mod and enable returning to the menu by pressing down+select.  It makes the thing instantly more enjoyable and you don't have to install any extra games.  You can also add some neat functions like auto fire and ect....
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 01, 2017, 12:06:20 pm
Target got stocked again this morning.  I didn't bother with the camp out, once was my limit. 

Sure enough, every one in town was sold out by 8:15am.

 :banghead:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 01, 2017, 04:54:32 pm
They are still out around here as well.  I've got a feeling that once scalpers realize they can't sell these for high prices you'll be able to get one fairly reasonably.  That is if all the Nintendo nerds don't gobble them up.  In slightly related news, I walked into my local gamestop and they had Switches in stock.  At least Nintendo is keeping their promise in regards to demand on that one. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 01, 2017, 04:59:25 pm
Yep, saw three Switches in Wal-Mart yesterday.  Noticed the Amiibos are back in full force and price.  Maybe some day Nintendo will release a new game for it.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 01, 2017, 05:11:50 pm
Seriously.  I played Zelda on the Wii U and while battle mode looks cool on Mkart 8, I'm sure not paying full price for the same game I bought a couple of years ago.  Platoon 2 looks just like the first one, so I guess we'll wait for Mario.  Bomberman and Tetris are getting rave reviews though.  lol
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on May 03, 2017, 10:03:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH_tTWibpd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH_tTWibpd0)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 03, 2017, 11:29:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH_tTWibpd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH_tTWibpd0)


 :timebomb:


I've been playing around with Emulation Station.  I'm slowly not completely hating it.  Attract Mode has been too glitchy for me.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 04, 2017, 12:03:16 pm



Played Tecmo bowl on the Classic the other day.  I noticed the player names are gone.  Any other licensed games on the Classic have issues like this?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 04, 2017, 12:24:05 pm
Punchout, obviously... although technically that's still a real nes title without alteration.  You'll notice a distinct lack of licensed classics on the system (no tmnt, top gun, ect.) and that is probably why. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 04, 2017, 12:30:51 pm
Entire rom set with artwork and bundled with hakchi is like 200mb and pretty readily available...

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 04, 2017, 01:28:10 pm



Yeah, but I don't own the Classic.  I use it occasionally at the console gaming center that just opened a couple miles from my house (same place I use the PS VR).  There is a Tecmo Bowl tournament there happening soon on the Classic so I put in a little refresher practice and noticed that Bo Jackson no longer exists in the game.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 04, 2017, 02:10:07 pm
Bo Jackson?

Yeah, so, you've pretty much confirmed you're a dick.

 ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 04, 2017, 02:19:34 pm



Playing by myself while waiting on a VR headset, yeah, I'm the Raiders.   :laugh2:


I wouldn't do that in a competitive setting.  You're right about it being a dick move.  I'm assuming the Raiders will be banned from the tournament.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 05, 2017, 09:23:31 pm
I couldn't take it anymore.  Famicom Minis are dropping about two cents an hour for the last three days.  They're down to $110 fulfilled by Amazon, and I snatched one of those and another for $95.

I'll start another thread detailing the modifications after the first one arrives Sunday.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 05, 2017, 11:29:13 pm
I'm interested in your thoughts of the unit in regards to the form factor and included controllers, ect....  If they keep dropping I might snatch one up as a collectable. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on May 06, 2017, 01:03:08 pm
From a purely aesthetic perspective, I actually prefer the Famicom Minis. They're not attractive in the conventional sense, but nevertheless I love the funky retro styling.

By comparison the NES cases look a bit bland, and there's no nostalgia factor for me as I never owned a real one.

It's just a shame about the non-detatchable controllers.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 06, 2017, 06:12:22 pm
Yeah, so it's pretty easy to mod it to detachable controllers.  You need a couple of six pin connectors, and then you cut an NES controller extension in half and wire the female end to the motherboard. Connectors ran me $2 shipped for a set of ten.  10 foot extensions are $5ish each.  Should be completely reversible.

If one of you wants to "take a chance" Amazon warehouse deals has one for $75 shipped.  The condition description is weird but Amazon will likely take care of you.  ("May come repackaged, factory sealed, small mark on disc" = who the hell knows...)




Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 06, 2017, 06:56:42 pm
Meh, to hell with it.  Conditioned was changed to "factory sealed" so I cancelled my $95 one that wasn't arriving for another week and have the warehouse one coming Monday.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 06, 2017, 08:54:31 pm
Yeah 75 isn't bad at all.  At least with amazon you'll know you won't get a box of rocks.  I was looking at the mod... looks like you just need a spare 6 pin connector to splice in the nes classic extension cables, so no soldering or mangling of the unit required. 

Anyone buying one should keep in mind that they need to add a minimum of 20 bucks to the cost if they plan on using nes gamepads. 

I'm still waiting on the edge joysticks to drop in price.  They are 25 now, but I bet they'll eventually drop to under 15. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 07, 2017, 02:52:53 pm
So, after flashing to English and installing 700 NES games... This thing shits all over the Pi.

The Famicom controllers are tiny but still work pretty well.  I will wire in the extensions but not sure I'm going to bother with getting NES controllers.


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 07, 2017, 03:56:44 pm
The knock-offs I've tried thus far tend to suck, so you might want to save some trouble/expense and get the wireless one I did.  You can just solder the connector directly to the dongle and avoid the extension cables.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 07, 2017, 06:33:59 pm



I am surprised that any of us could exist without having owned a couple NES controllers in some box someplace the whole time.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 07, 2017, 06:56:48 pm



I am surprised that any of us could exist without having owned a couple NES controllers in some box someplace the whole time.

Which would be a relevant point... if the NES Classic/Famicom mini used NES controllers. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 07, 2017, 07:28:57 pm
I will wire in the extensions but not sure I'm going to bother with getting NES controllers.




Have I read that incorrectly?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 07, 2017, 10:39:08 pm
The famicom style controllers are on super short cords.  I'm planning on splicing them to 10 foot extensions. 

 :dunno

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 07, 2017, 11:16:51 pm
The famicom style controllers are on super short cords.  I'm planning on splicing them to 10 foot extensions. 

 :dunno

Does the small size of them make it hard to use them ?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 07, 2017, 11:54:39 pm
I made it to Piston Honda #2.  They aren't ultra comfortable but aren't horrible either.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 08, 2017, 12:58:05 am
I've got to think that using the switch's joy cons in split mode are similar. 

Honestly man just get yourself some gamepads and a proper 6-pin connector to splice them into.  You'll be kicking yourself 10 years from now for mutilating what will then be a collectable. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 08, 2017, 09:58:16 am
So here's what the inside of a Famicom Mini controller looks like. (not my pic, I haven't opened up mine yet)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=358659)

That is a 1.5MM JST 6 pin connector running to the PCB.  Both the Famicom and NES have the same connector on their motherboards, but the NES controller uses a 5 pin connector on the controller PCB.  (and the Famicom uses both pins 1 and 6, so you can't just shove a 5 pin inside it and have it work)

My plan is to unplug the factory cables and throw them in the box.  Then I'll cut off about two feet of the female end of an extension cable and wire it to the motherboard.  The male end will be connected to the controller.

Here's the best deal I've found on the needed connectors:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-Mini-Micro-ZH-1-5mm-6-Pin-JST-Connector-with-Wire-x-10-sets-New/32810179522.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-Mini-Micro-ZH-1-5mm-6-Pin-JST-Connector-with-Wire-x-10-sets-New/32810179522.html)

And here's the best deal without resorting to China that I've found on 10 foot extension cables:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072NYPZQN/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072NYPZQN/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 08, 2017, 10:30:39 am

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-Mini-Micro-ZH-1-5mm-6-Pin-JST-Connector-with-Wire-x-10-sets-New/32810179522.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017-Mini-Micro-ZH-1-5mm-6-Pin-JST-Connector-with-Wire-x-10-sets-New/32810179522.html)

And here's the best deal without resorting to China that I've found on 10 foot extension cables:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072NYPZQN/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072NYPZQN/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

If waiting on the 6 pin connectors from china might as well save a couple bucks and get the extension cables there also - these are $4.75 for 2 !
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-3m-10FT-Extension-Cable-Cord-For-Nintendo-NES-Classic-Edition-Wii-Controller-/132156730256?hash=item1ec527ab90:g:paAAAOSwmgJY1gQq (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-3m-10FT-Extension-Cable-Cord-For-Nintendo-NES-Classic-Edition-Wii-Controller-/132156730256?hash=item1ec527ab90:g:paAAAOSwmgJY1gQq)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 08, 2017, 08:56:51 pm
So the cable inside the controller can't be unplugged.  I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it's very similar to this...

http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=236 (http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=236)

I already desoldered it, took a look at it, soldered it back on.  Contemplating mounting a female socket there and splicing a male connector to the controller wire.  Nobody would ever know besides Howard.

Other option is disconnect from the Famicom pcb, and plug that end into a socket mounted to the extension cable.  I guess I'd wrap it in electrical tape or something.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 08, 2017, 10:56:17 pm
So the cable inside the controller can't be unplugged.  I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it's very similar to this...

http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=236 (http://www.jst-mfg.com/product/detail_e.php?series=236)

I already desoldered it, took a look at it, soldered it back on.  Contemplating mounting a female socket there and splicing a male connector to the controller wire.  Nobody would ever know besides Howard.

Other option is disconnect from the Famicom pcb, and plug that end into a socket mounted to the extension cable.  I guess I'd wrap it in electrical tape or something.

Is there room for a couple inline connector boxes inside the unit ?
(http://s7g3.scene7.com/is/image//ae235?src=ae235/8692H_P&$prodImageLarge$)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 08, 2017, 11:10:22 pm
That looks like exactly what I would need. I will investigate those further.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 10, 2017, 11:03:34 am
That looks like exactly what I would need. I will investigate those further.

 :cheers:

Came across this thread on reddit that might prov useful to you -- https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5ouuve/adding_external_controller_ports_to_your_famicom/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5ouuve/adding_external_controller_ports_to_your_famicom/)  -- Shows a reversible method of doing what you are wanting.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 10, 2017, 11:19:23 am
Yes, that guide is fine if you're planning on only using other controllers besides the ones that came with it.  The connector on the actual controller PCB is a JST SJN, and the only way to remove that is desoldering. 

I plan on putting a standard female JST socket on the PCB and JST male connector on the actual controller connector.  Which is the arrangement that cable has inside the actual console.  Frankly, that's probably how it should have come from the factory, but Nintendo shaved a couple cents off the manufacturing.

Other option is a splice at the console end of that controller cable, but then you have an unsightly splice in the middle of the cord.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 10, 2017, 12:38:31 pm
You are thinking of the problem wrong man.  Buy a nes classic extension cable along with the 6 pin male connectors you linked to.  The male end of the extension cable is removed and set aside... the female end is wired to the 6 pin male and gets plugged into the unit.  Now pickup that male end to the extension cable you just discarded.  Take the female 6 pin socket that came with your order of male 6 pin sockets and wire that to the male end.  Now you have a 6 pin to nes classic adapter so you can still use the included controllers and nothing is damaged.  It's like one extra step and you've fixed the problem in a reversible way. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 10, 2017, 03:30:30 pm
The cable is hard soldered to the controller PCB.  The cable is detachable from the console, but not from the controller.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=358728)

Once that connector has the pins inserted, they cannot be removed.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 10, 2017, 04:26:06 pm
The cable is hard soldered to the controller PCB.  The cable is detachable from the console, but not from the controller.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=358728)

Once that connector has the pins inserted, they cannot be removed.

What Howard is saying is you remove the controllers from the console (leaving the cable attached to the controller) and use the extension cables/ Nes controller (end cut off and new connector added to plug into console ) to install into the console -- and put the original controllers in storage - then if you want to reverse the process you unplug the extension/Nes controller from the console and plug back in the original.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 10, 2017, 04:28:08 pm
But I like the Famicom controllers.  They make me feel even huger.

 :lol
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 10, 2017, 04:35:31 pm
But I like the Famicom controllers.  They make me feel even huger.

 :lol

Ahh - so you just want longer cables for the original controllers !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 10, 2017, 04:52:58 pm
YES

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on May 11, 2017, 01:14:33 pm
FINALLY!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 12, 2017, 06:39:02 pm
So hyperkin is releasing their own hdmi enabled system.  We'll have to see what the picture quality is, but 720p hdmi, 4:3/16:9 selectable, pal/ntsc selectable.... all hardware, no emulation... uses standard nes controller sockets, $39.99  It doesn't look like complete crap to boot!

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd)

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on May 12, 2017, 08:23:43 pm
LOL @ the beveled corners of the classic controller. The 20 year old hipster casuals will be pleased.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 13, 2017, 12:44:43 am
Consolation prize for those unwilling to suck it up and buy a Famicom Mini....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 14, 2017, 01:53:52 am
So the hakchi guys released some info on the file structure and mods.....

https://github.com/ClusterM/hakchi2/wiki/Modifications-and-modules-guide (https://github.com/ClusterM/hakchi2/wiki/Modifications-and-modules-guide)

Assuming the gui isn't real picky about file sizes, it should be possible to make custom skins.  I don't just mean changing the png file for the theme, I mean re-arranging/re-sizing elements and potentially making a 720p skin.  Is that something you guys would be interested in?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on May 14, 2017, 11:25:52 am
Assuming the gui isn't real picky about file sizes, it should be possible to make custom skins.  I don't just mean changing the png file for the theme, I mean re-arranging/re-sizing elements and potentially making a 720p skin.  Is that something you guys would be interested in?

Given how few people actually own one of these things, I think it would be more interesting to find out whether the executable could be trasferred to another ARM based SOC running a generic version of Linux.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on May 14, 2017, 11:36:26 am
So hyperkin is releasing their own hdmi enabled system.  We'll have to see what the picture quality is, but 720p hdmi, 4:3/16:9 selectable, pal/ntsc selectable.... all hardware, no emulation... uses standard nes controller sockets, $39.99  It doesn't look like complete crap to boot!

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd)

Similar items are beginning to appear on aliexpress:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Video-Game-Console-To-TV-With-Wireless-Gamepad-Controller-HD-HDMI-TV-Out-For-8bit/32796675488.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.24.El3OtC&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10130_10068_436_10136_10137_10157_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100032_100033_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10179_10181_10183_10182_10185_10184_10078_10079_10073_10123,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=4243853c-1c0e-4d5f-8057-2e2b1d792c0c&algo_expid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503-3&algo_pvid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Video-Game-Console-To-TV-With-Wireless-Gamepad-Controller-HD-HDMI-TV-Out-For-8bit/32796675488.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.24.El3OtC&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10130_10068_436_10136_10137_10157_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100032_100033_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10179_10181_10183_10182_10185_10184_10078_10079_10073_10123,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=4243853c-1c0e-4d5f-8057-2e2b1d792c0c&algo_expid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503-3&algo_pvid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 14, 2017, 12:45:55 pm
Assuming the gui isn't real picky about file sizes, it should be possible to make custom skins.  I don't just mean changing the png file for the theme, I mean re-arranging/re-sizing elements and potentially making a 720p skin.  Is that something you guys would be interested in?

Given how few people actually own one of these things, I think it would be more interesting to find out whether the executable could be trasferred to another ARM based SOC running a generic version of Linux.

Well it's like pbj says, suck it up and get a famicom mini.  They are still in production afaik and the price for an import is extremely reasonable.  That being said, version 2.17 of hakchi has ftp functionality, so I'm sure the contents of the flash disc have been dumped by now. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 14, 2017, 05:53:32 pm
One sitting on Amazon for 99 right now.  Mine ended up being $68 after Amazon kicked me back 15% when it wasn't factory sealed as advertised.

I'd love to see the OS ported to other hardware... But it ain't happened yet.

Chop chop on the high resolution front end, howard.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 15, 2017, 10:03:14 am
So hyperkin is releasing their own hdmi enabled system.  We'll have to see what the picture quality is, but 720p hdmi, 4:3/16:9 selectable, pal/ntsc selectable.... all hardware, no emulation... uses standard nes controller sockets, $39.99  It doesn't look like complete crap to boot!

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd)




Thanks for the pointer.  I just preordered.  I like the cartridge slot a lot better as I still have 300+ NES games. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: wp34 on May 15, 2017, 11:46:05 am
So hyperkin is releasing their own hdmi enabled system.  We'll have to see what the picture quality is, but 720p hdmi, 4:3/16:9 selectable, pal/ntsc selectable.... all hardware, no emulation... uses standard nes controller sockets, $39.99  It doesn't look like complete crap to boot!

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd)

I still have the cartridges for the games I want to play so that is really a better deal than the NES Mini for me.  Thanks for posting.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 15, 2017, 12:07:22 pm



Yep, that's pretty much what stopped me from chasing the NES Mini.  I have a toploader and cartridges.  Even the toploaders are flaky now, though, so replacing the system itself with something comparable is a good move.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 15, 2017, 12:44:51 pm
Well unfortunately, the demo units at least, are kind of crap.

https://youtu.be/VjfFvjqbBOo (https://youtu.be/VjfFvjqbBOo)

Colors are a bit muddy and the sound is terrible.  It might actually be worse than those at@games systems. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 15, 2017, 01:16:36 pm



That would not surprise me.  I had the Retron 3 and it lasted about two months.


Sigh.  Cancelling the order.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 15, 2017, 01:19:31 pm
Yeah, I've got a Top Loader, too, and still bought a Famicom Mini.  No regrets.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01M1VMFUA/ref=olp_f_primeEligible?ie=UTF8&f_primeEligible=true (https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01M1VMFUA/ref=olp_f_primeEligible?ie=UTF8&f_primeEligible=true)


 :cheers:

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 15, 2017, 11:18:39 pm
We are in agreement on this one.  Still have my nes, still have tons of carts... I prefer the NES Classic at this point... it's just so much easier. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 16, 2017, 09:32:54 am



FWIW, I played through about 5 games on Tecmo Bowl the other day.  Bo Jackson has been 'fixed'.  NFLPA license is gone, no player names, and the Raiders are not substantially better on offense than other teams.  That's the packin ROM, though.  I wonder how many other packin games were altered in some way.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on May 16, 2017, 10:22:41 am
  I wonder how many other packin games were altered in some way.

Pretty much any that had licensed material that they had not licensed with the right to re-release at a future date without compensation !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 16, 2017, 10:23:21 am
I guess some of them were patched for epilepsy?

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on May 16, 2017, 10:44:55 am
Pretty much any that had licensed material that they had not licensed with the right to re-release at a future date without compensation !




That doesn't account for changing the gameplay, though.  It's one thing to remove names.  It's another to change the players' abilities.  Hard to say yet whether or not they're all the same or if just some were changed.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 16, 2017, 12:49:48 pm
I guess some of them were patched for epilepsy?

Actually that is a feature of the emulator that can be turned off via hakchi
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 26, 2017, 01:31:35 am
This mod is not for the faint of heart.  The wires in the cables weren't  color matched to Nintendo standard (red = power, white = ground, et al) and the cables didn't match each other.  So, everything has to get buzzed out and labelled. 

The JST connectors inside the controllers are impossible to remove cleanly.  Should have just cut off a one inch pig tail and spliced to that.

Anyway, all said and done, everything works and it's easy to tuck the cables inside the case and seal it all back up.  Couple odd notes - the system takes about five seconds to recognize when you've hot swapped a controller.  If you plug the controller with start and select into player 2, they're functional.  Player 2 cannot control the system menus.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=358970;image)

I did three feet of length on the female ends connected to the console.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 26, 2017, 01:35:47 am
I actually prefer the fact that 2p can't control the menus.  It reminds me of back in the day when p2 was a second class citizen and couldn't do ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- in the options menus. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 26, 2017, 10:23:45 am
Another nice perk of the Famicom controllers with Hakchi is that player 2 cannot exit the game - no select button.   :lol

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 01, 2017, 09:37:59 am
So Amazon started blowing these out.... the price has jumped around all over the place, but it's $6-7 for new or "like new."

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M4QC226 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M4QC226)

Wish this deal had been around when I was buying 10 foot extensions, but eh.

:cheers:



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 01, 2017, 02:50:57 pm
Looks like a carpal tunnel nightmare tbh.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 01, 2017, 10:17:33 pm
Good reviews. Six freaking dollars. We will see.

 :dunno

And THIS was a carpal tunnel nightmare...


(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=359123)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on June 02, 2017, 01:30:54 am
That's the most suggestive joystick I've ever seen.  :o
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 02, 2017, 07:15:02 am
The only video game item I've ever returned in 30+ years.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 8BitMonk on June 02, 2017, 10:22:45 am
And THIS was a carpal tunnel nightmare...

I had those for my Amiga 500 back in the day. The best thing about them was that you could turn them 90 degrees in the hand you were holding them with and then put the joystick between your index and middle finger on the opposite hand and waggle like a mofo up-and-down (instead of left and right) for games like Track & Field.

If you remember doing this you have some true old school cred.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Mike A on June 02, 2017, 10:37:34 am
Yeah. That thing wrecked my hands. I had one for my Amiga too. I think mine only had one button though.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 02, 2017, 10:58:22 am



Worst controller I ever owned.


(http://www.museumofplay.org/online-collections/images/Z006/Z00673/Z0067350.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on June 02, 2017, 11:41:44 am
Worst controller I ever owned.

not even the cheetah?

(https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/l/2014/05/Alien.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Mike A on June 02, 2017, 11:58:25 am
That is a little disturbing.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 02, 2017, 01:42:11 pm



Can't say I ever owned that one.   :laugh2:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 02, 2017, 02:20:23 pm
Any Atari joystick, ever is terrible, I thought we all knew that. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on June 02, 2017, 11:14:18 pm
Any Atari joystick, ever is terrible, I thought we all knew that.

I spent many, many hours on the originals. Ain't nothing wrong with 'me.


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 02, 2017, 11:28:48 pm
Yes you recovered is all that means.  The spring on 2600 joysticks was so stiff it was like trying to bend a tree trunk while holding the tree's roots in your hand.  Compared to the Jaguar, that was one of their BETTER designs.  Atari had a lot of good stuff going for it bitd, but good controllers was not one of them.  Wico made some nice third party options though. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on June 03, 2017, 12:39:19 am
Again, as a kid I had no issue with 2600 joysticks. I'll fistfight any man who says otherwise.


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 03, 2017, 07:58:22 am
Put up your dukes then, because Atari joysticks were pure crap.  Gaming didn't really begin until the NES because of it.  If you want a good Atari joystick get the crappy @games plug n plays.... their "cheap" joysticks use rubber pads like a modern gamepad and thus are a dream to use compared to atari's outdated 70's weak sauce.  Or get the revised 7800 gamepads that basically ripoff the nes gamepad.... those are great too. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on June 03, 2017, 12:26:19 pm
Put up your dukes then, because Atari joysticks were pure crap.  Gaming didn't really begin until the NES because of it.  If you want a good Atari joystick get the crappy @games plug n plays.... their "cheap" joysticks use rubber pads like a modern gamepad and thus are a dream to use compared to atari's outdated 70's weak sauce.  Or get the revised 7800 gamepads that basically ripoff the nes gamepad.... those are great too.

10 paces at dawn, motherscratcher...

In all seriousness, for Atari games you just needed to move in eight directions and fire. The joystick fit in my hand and was really easy to use. My hands would sometimes hurt after I played on them for hours, but that's pretty normal. I don't want to ever remember thinking "Damn, I wish I had better joysticks."


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ark_ader on June 03, 2017, 07:33:09 pm
Put up your dukes then, because Atari joysticks were pure crap.  Gaming didn't really begin until the NES because of it.  If you want a good Atari joystick get the crappy @games plug n plays.... their "cheap" joysticks use rubber pads like a modern gamepad and thus are a dream to use compared to atari's outdated 70's weak sauce.  Or get the revised 7800 gamepads that basically ripoff the nes gamepad.... those are great too.

What a load of bollocks - these were great to play with:

(http://www.bomberoza.net/data/collections/consoles/accessories/atari-2600-cx24.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ark_ader on June 03, 2017, 07:35:57 pm
Worst controller I ever owned.

not even the cheetah?

(https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/l/2014/05/Alien.jpg)

Is it me or does that joystick look like the creature from Alien?   Yep.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 05, 2017, 09:06:40 am



I never had any issues with the 2600 stick either.  I never felt one as stiff as Howard has described until way later when they were really old.  Howard, could your wrists have been affecting this? The 2600 stick is still one of my all time favorite controllers.  It just feels right.  Yeah, nostalgia and all that, but they weren't hard to use at all.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on June 05, 2017, 02:14:57 pm



I never had any issues with the 2600 stick either.  I never felt one as stiff as Howard has described until way later when they were really old.  Howard, could your wrists have been affecting this? The 2600 stick is still one of my all time favorite controllers.  It just feels right.  Yeah, nostalgia and all that, but they weren't hard to use at all.

Exactly, I never had issues controlling the cursor/character in the games I used to play. I never ever once remember thinking that I wish I had something better. If my hands hurt, I chalked it up to the hours of gameplay I was putting on to them. In fact, the only thing I didn't like about it was when you use them so much the joystick covering popped off and got lost so you had a skinny white stick left.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 05, 2017, 02:57:18 pm
In fact, the only thing I didn't like about it was when you use them so much the joystick covering popped off and got lost so you had a skinny white stick left.




Probably good training for adolescences, I suppose.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 06, 2017, 12:43:30 am
So, that controller gave me a weird "left with the receptionist" shipping confirmation.  Ain't no receptionist around here.  Then I noticed the invoice said "Amazon Customer, Gift Shipping Address."  So I fired up Amazon chat, instant refund.

My new theory is when third party sellers (Amazon Warehouse Deals in this case) get stung with a price mistake, they're opting to give you a bogus tracking number and pretend it got lost in the mail.  Happened with Walmart and that PS4 game a few weeks ago, too.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 06, 2017, 09:08:38 am



People do that on Ebay too.  Had it happen a few times now on auctions that ended low.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 06, 2017, 02:12:37 pm
Well, it showed up at work today.  Work address is nowhere near my personal account, so I'm going to assume the wrong cookie got parsed.

 :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on June 06, 2017, 03:48:03 pm
free is free i guess...add it to the free amazon thread.

or I'll give you 1.00 for it, corn in hand.

(http://i.imgur.com/NXveGro.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 06, 2017, 06:31:46 pm



But can I get just one rib?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on June 06, 2017, 06:44:49 pm
Got change for a hundred?


But can I get just one rib?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 08, 2017, 11:33:59 pm
So, I had to crack open the wireless controller and resolder the positive wire.  Explains the near mint open box condition.

It's quite comfortable, and with the TV in gaming mode I got to Bald Bull before I took a hit so no lag perceptible to my skill level.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 09, 2017, 02:55:50 pm
Famicom back in stock via Amazon Warehouse deals....


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on June 09, 2017, 03:16:23 pm
I finally hacked it.  You are missing out if you don't hack for just the down select of nothing else.  So far I have blazed through zelda, and megaman 1-3....gonna finish all mega then move to little Sampson

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 12, 2017, 12:31:19 pm
It's quite comfortable, and with the TV in gaming mode I got to Bald Bull before I took a hit so no lag perceptible to my skill level.

 :cheers:




That's a good test right there.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on June 12, 2017, 03:43:53 pm
So hyperkin is releasing their own hdmi enabled system.  We'll have to see what the picture quality is, but 720p hdmi, 4:3/16:9 selectable, pal/ntsc selectable.... all hardware, no emulation... uses standard nes controller sockets, $39.99  It doesn't look like complete crap to boot!

https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd (https://www.amazon.com/Hyperkin-RetroN-Gaming-Console-NES-Gray/dp/B072PC59FQ/ref=sr_1_1/142-7926072-4770631?ie=UTF8&qid=1494628619&sr=8-1&keywords=retron+hd)

Similar items are beginning to appear on aliexpress:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Video-Game-Console-To-TV-With-Wireless-Gamepad-Controller-HD-HDMI-TV-Out-For-8bit/32796675488.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.24.El3OtC&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10130_10068_436_10136_10137_10157_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100032_100033_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10179_10181_10183_10182_10185_10184_10078_10079_10073_10123,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=4243853c-1c0e-4d5f-8057-2e2b1d792c0c&algo_expid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503-3&algo_pvid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Video-Game-Console-To-TV-With-Wireless-Gamepad-Controller-HD-HDMI-TV-Out-For-8bit/32796675488.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.24.El3OtC&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10065_10151_10130_10068_436_10136_10137_10157_10060_10138_10155_10062_10156_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_100032_100033_100031_10099_10103_10102_10096_10147_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10179_10181_10183_10182_10185_10184_10078_10079_10073_10123,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=4243853c-1c0e-4d5f-8057-2e2b1d792c0c&algo_expid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503-3&algo_pvid=ba313c09-b6ca-4973-a032-e5ccd133d503)

anyone order this?
I think my kids would love it for their birthday.
not so much if catches fire while they use it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 25, 2017, 08:52:09 pm



I bought one today.  I was at a store, they had a demo unit running Ring King, it looked pretty good.  I spent the $40 on it.


Got it home, hdmi puts out nothing.  The system works via AV but I can't get anything via HDMI out.  I can switch from composite showing the game to HDMI with a blank screen.  Tried swapping HDMI cables, nothing.  The HDMI out is dead on this thing right out of the box.


And I bought it at a store 75 minutes from home.  Why... why...  :banghead:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 25, 2017, 11:38:19 pm
Famicom Minis holding fast at $90 on Amazon.   :lol

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 26, 2017, 08:55:41 am



After that I was so pissed I dug out the toploader and the DeOxit and went to town cleaning everything.  Console connector, games, etc.  Got it all working maybe 90% with the occasional graphical glitch.  My son and I spent the next two hours paying Double Dragon and TMNT.  I'll take that instead. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 26, 2017, 10:53:46 am
Famicom Minis holding fast at $90 on Amazon.   :lol
^This^

Honestly your top loader must have been left in the back yard or something for it to give you so much trouble.  I've had to "Fonzie" carts to get them working on some consoles, but other than that...

So FWIW I finally got a chance to sit down and look at some of the structures in the NES Classic gui.  As I suspected, making a HD skin should be rather trivial.  The skin's coordinates are just a script and at the top of the script the source png file along with the file's dimensions are defined.  Assuming the frame buffer can handle larger images (it should) it's only a matter of increasing the image size and changing all the coordinates for the various screen elements.  So I might try to do a HD skin when I get a chance.  I actually like the stock layout, but I would prefer the sprites to be less blocky and I would really like to rework those hideous menu icons at the top.  I also want to look into displaying more game info about the selected game, I just need to see how the game title is loaded.... the individual game infos are in an xml file so one element should be just as easy to read as another.  It would also be nice to change the sorting script to allow a sort by more info (console, rating, ect). 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 26, 2017, 11:14:43 am



My kids have never seen anyone beat Tyson so I might make that a summer project.  I used to be able to beat him consistently.  I don't think I can do it on any of our newer TVs, though, so I'll have to dig out the one remaining CRT we have.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 26, 2017, 11:34:13 am
Man, if I'm having a REALLY good run on that game I can get to Bald Bull #2.

 :banghead:

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on June 26, 2017, 12:17:08 pm



SNES Classic was just announced.


This one I'll preorder.  I have never had much of an SNES collection.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 26, 2017, 12:28:41 pm
Mmm... good list of titles on the SNES Classic... Makes me think they didn't increase the storage capacity of the system any, though.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 26, 2017, 12:29:11 pm
Hmm..... at 80 bucks it seems just a bit too expensive.  It comes with an extra gamepad, so I guess that would bring it up to 70, but considering the nes classic edition already plays snes games I'm wondering where that extra 10 bucks came from. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on June 26, 2017, 12:47:11 pm
So with my nes plus everdrive, i was not that interested in the nes classic. But the snes classic however includes star fox 2, super mario Rpg, yoshis island, and kirby superstar, 4 games I can't play on the super everdrive. Also super mario rpg and secret of mana already cover the $80 price tag so it might be worth it.

They should have went with the super mario allstars+super Mario world instead of just smw.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on June 26, 2017, 02:34:40 pm
Hmm..... at 80 bucks it seems just a bit too expensive.  It comes with an extra gamepad, so I guess that would bring it up to 70, but considering the nes classic edition already plays snes games I'm wondering where that extra 10 bucks came from.

Still a bit under $4 per game isn't that bad - and having a newly released original game included. Now just need to figure out where to pr-order that will actually get filled and not get notified they sold too many pre-orders to fill.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 26, 2017, 07:10:55 pm
So with my nes plus everdrive, i was not that interested in the nes classic. But the snes classic however includes star fox 2, super mario Rpg, yoshis island, and kirby superstar, 4 games I can't play on the super everdrive. Also super mario rpg and secret of mana already cover the $80 price tag so it might be worth it.

They should have went with the super mario allstars+super Mario world instead of just smw.

I didn't think of that. It would fix the issue of those special chip games.  I might just pickup a spare gamepad if they sell them separately.... Nes Classic does snes just fine after all. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 27, 2017, 08:21:20 am
So with my nes plus everdrive, i was not that interested in the nes classic. But the snes classic however includes star fox 2, super mario Rpg, yoshis island, and kirby superstar, 4 games I can't play on the super everdrive. Also super mario rpg and secret of mana already cover the $80 price tag so it might be worth it.

I have the SD2SNES and a super famicom so I was finding it hard to justify picking up a SNES classic. However, I forgot that some games weren't playable on that. Looks like I might have found a solid excuse to pick one up.  ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: knave on June 27, 2017, 04:01:10 pm
. . . I'm wondering where that extra 10 bucks came from.

Supply and demand.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 28, 2017, 12:31:54 pm
So again, just for those interested....   I doubled the size of the nes.png (the skin file) and edited the accompanying json file accordingly and it did load just fine, but I think I'm misunderstanding the json layout somewhat as I couldn't get the sprite positions dialed back in.  Also my override must have been interfering with the mods as it reverted back to the original gamelist while installed.  The good thing about Linux is anything has access to anything, but that's also why I hate Linux.  It could take a while to track down the issue. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on July 11, 2017, 07:52:42 pm
Just a fyi...prime day on Amazon had the 8bitdo nes classic receiver for 11.99 probably would work onsnes classic.  I picked one up.  Still need controller but you can get the snes one on eBay for 23 bucks. 

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 11, 2017, 08:56:32 pm
Those weird controllers I linked earlier have swung back down to 6.99 a couple of times, too.

Looks like that Aliexpress link is dead.  There are similar items at dhgate but nothing looks like a true clone.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 11, 2017, 10:58:53 pm
I honestly don't think the 8bitdo is a good fit for the NES classic.  The nes had two action buttons, aligned straight across.  If you are going to play with a 4 button angled gamepad you might as well go roll in the mud and run off into the woods because you are some kind of animal.

You probably need to wait for the snes classic as well.  Nintendo changed the protocol somewhat on the nes classic just so it'd break support on some of the knock-off classic controllers... they might do the same thing again. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on July 12, 2017, 06:27:59 am
The snes 8bitdo controller looks fantastic.  That is what I am going to use on the nes classic for games that need more than 2 buttons otherwise sticking w original  nes controller for nes games.

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 19, 2017, 11:13:16 am
Looks like a new version of the Raspberry pi 3 Nes case has been released -- It actually looks like they made some good design changes and are making it easy to build a mini Nes pi and it's onl;y $20 right now (shows a list price of $69 but not sure if it will ever go back to that price but for $20 seems a good deal ) - pretty much the same as the $25 Chinese KNock off without the need to make modifications.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZC4TZY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZC4TZY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51GhnelPI7L.jpg)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qLifHpEFL.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 19, 2017, 12:04:22 pm
Does it include those PCBs inside the case?  Looks like this might actually have a functional power and reset button....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 19, 2017, 12:25:20 pm
Does it include those PCBs inside the case?  Looks like this might actually have a functional power and reset button....

I would think so -as they are pretty specific to the case (can't be positive till it gets here in a few weeks) The listing only says it does not include the rpi3 but makes no mention of if the PCBs are included  :dunno - and yes the power board runs from the slot at the back into that small pcb and then to the front panel and finally to the GPIO pins on the PI3 -= so should be a working set up for the power button and led. Seems to be pretty well designed and if it is what it looks like should be a good deal for the $20 price (Like I said not sure if that will be the consistent price or if it might go up if it sells but for now seems a good alternative for a pi3 case.

Looks like they copied old skool tools web interface - One of the people from there are on reddit and has verified that it is not a new one of their cases so must be another company so we'll have to see.

From the reddit thread :

Quote
[–]OldSkoolTools 1 point 41 minutes ago

It looks like they copied our bullet points 1 on 1 and the title includes Old Skool Tools, but this is not one of our cases.. Very strange. Thanks for notifying me.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 19, 2017, 12:29:10 pm
Yeah, I dredged up that Reddit comment, too.  Complete BS, their Old Skool Tools case looks like crap and does nothing to truly resemble an NES.  Guess they like their grapes sour.

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 19, 2017, 12:40:22 pm
Yeah, I dredged up that Reddit comment, too.  Complete BS, their Old Skool Tools case looks like crap and does nothing to truly resemble an NES.  Guess they like their grapes sour.

 :cheers:

YEah when I first saw this one listed I thought they had maybe gotten their ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- together and redesigned theirs to actually look like a NES mini since it was popular - then realized the seller was someone else - so guess they are sticking to their version - I really like this new one as it has the 2 USB ports and ethernet port hidden under the lid and the 2 others for the controllers on the front - so when using it it still looks like a NES mini design.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 19, 2017, 01:23:05 pm
Honestly I don't care for the design..... The Ethernet port and extra usb ports should have been put in the back.  Why?  Well if you actually decide to use the Ethernet port while gaming (for multiplayer or whatever) you are going to have a fat cat5 sticking out the front ruining the looks.  It's an improvement though... they are getting there. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on July 19, 2017, 03:30:51 pm
I just took a flyer on one of these cases. I have a Pi that's just been sitting around collecting dust, so may as well do something with it. I ---smurfing--- hate the front ends on them though.

Thanks for the link, JDF.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 19, 2017, 04:03:30 pm
I need to sit down and really learn Linux and have a crack at it.  Honestly you can do a lot in Linux just with scripting. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 19, 2017, 04:23:02 pm
I just took a flyer on one of these cases. I have a Pi that's just been sitting around collecting dust, so may as well do something with it. I ---smurfing--- hate the front ends on them though.

Thanks for the link, JDF.
HAve you seen the Nes Mini front end they have with Emulation Station and the newer version of retropie - It  looks decent

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z8rYveKLuQ#)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on July 19, 2017, 04:26:08 pm
I just took a flyer on one of these cases. I have a Pi that's just been sitting around collecting dust, so may as well do something with it. I ---smurfing--- hate the front ends on them though.

Thanks for the link, JDF.
HAve you seen the Nes Mini front end they have with Emulation Station and the newer version of retropie - It  looks decent

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z8rYveKLuQ#)

That's a bit better. I didn't want something that looked like a f-Ing HTPC from 2005.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 19, 2017, 04:34:59 pm
That's a bit better. I didn't want something that looked like a f-Ing HTPC from 2005.

THey've actually had a few decent ones being released lately and now the themes are pretty easy to swap in and out to test new ones.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 20, 2017, 11:51:03 am
I've learned to tolerate the Emulation Station front end for console games.  It feels far too flat and dead for an arcade cabinet, but it works on a TV with a controller.

The problem with simply emulating the NES Classic front end on the Pi is that you don't get the multitude of benefits offered by the NES Classic... such as the fast booting, near instant game loading, easily managed save states, power down after inactivity, cut power without the whole thing taking a dump, etc.  All of those features are what set it apart from the Pi experience.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on July 20, 2017, 11:57:43 am
I've learned to tolerate the Emulation Station front end for console games.  It feels far too flat and dead for an arcade cabinet, but it works on a TV with a controller.

The problem with simply emulating the NES Classic front end on the Pi is that you don't get the multitude of benefits offered by the NES Classic... such as the fast booting, near instant game loading, easily managed save states, power down after inactivity, cut power without the whole thing taking a dump, etc.  All of those features are what set it apart from the Pi experience.
Speaking the truth on the nes classic.  Which all gaming experiences would be that easy.

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 20, 2017, 12:45:12 pm
Yeah it's pretty awesome.  I've been going through Castlevania 3 lately.... that's one of those games I never got around to beating.  Something that's bothering me is the fact that even the "complete with roms" version of Hakchi has several errors in the game documentation.... missing titles.... bad art, ect. 

I'm thinking of revisiting my console documentation project soon just to fix some of it. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: smass on July 21, 2017, 03:45:17 pm
I just took a flyer on one of these cases. I have a Pi that's just been sitting around collecting dust, so may as well do something with it. I ---smurfing--- hate the front ends on them though.

Thanks for the link, JDF.

I did the same.  If it does indeed come with the pcbs that are pictured then this will be a sweet deal. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 25, 2017, 10:43:02 am
So apparently there's clones floating around now....

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9iqjHwKU8U#)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 25, 2017, 11:43:11 am
So apparently there's clones floating around now....

Yep - but it's not exactly the same - so the modding to add more games does not (yet) work on them and they are selling for $50 - $60 on the chinese sites - and some are selling them on Ebay etc. as originals and asking the going rate for originals for them - so if anyone is buying an Ebay/Craigslist resale - be sure you are getting an original not one of these !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 25, 2017, 11:49:23 am
Look pretty convincing to me, and they work with legit controllers.  Hopefully these things can be customized and we can shut up all those, "just get a Pi" folks.

The Chinese sites are making a concerted effort to hide these things from their English language sites.  Brush up on your Spanish and they're readily found. 

 :lol

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 25, 2017, 01:35:01 pm
Look pretty convincing to me, and they work with legit controllers.  Hopefully these things can be customized and we can shut up all those, "just get a Pi" folks.

The Chinese sites are making a concerted effort to hide these things from their English language sites.  Brush up on your Spanish and they're readily found. 

 :lol

No need for Spanish -

https://phoebusgroup.en.alibaba.com/product/60676730196-803790661/EUR_and_USA_version_TV_classic_mini_console_n_e_s.html?spm=a2700.8304367.0.0.2c9d4139jzwCUP
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 25, 2017, 01:42:43 pm
I can't get a purchase initiated on that site.  I did a "request for latest price" from seller... we'll see.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 25, 2017, 01:58:48 pm
I can't get a purchase initiated on that site.  I did a "request for latest price" from seller... we'll see.

Hmm - If I click on the Start order button it brings up an order entry page with the $60 price for a single unit - but haven't tried to order one so  :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 25, 2017, 02:11:26 pm
Yeah, that's as far as I can get, too.  $60 feels a little too steep, but at $30-40 these are interesting.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 25, 2017, 02:15:53 pm
Yeah, that's as far as I can get, too.  $60 feels a little too steep, but at $30-40 these are interesting.

Agreed - seems they have the price inflated right now due to demand but in a few months they probably will drop drastically and then they might be worth a look - for the $60 I'll just hope my SNES preorder from Walmart arrives.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on July 25, 2017, 03:34:59 pm
Here's a short article on the same item:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/07/bootleg-nes-classics-flood-market-to-fill-demand-that-nintendo-wont/ (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/07/bootleg-nes-classics-flood-market-to-fill-demand-that-nintendo-wont/)

I also saw a rather nice looking Famicom Mini Clone on Aliexpress with HDMI out selling for a slightly ridiculous $152. I'm guessing it's based on the same hardware.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Japanese-Console-For-NES-MINI-For-Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Family-Computer-Video-Game-Console-Original/32808040260.html?spm=2114.search0104.0.0.kPbVW8 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Japanese-Console-For-NES-MINI-For-Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Family-Computer-Video-Game-Console-Original/32808040260.html?spm=2114.search0104.0.0.kPbVW8)

Interestingly, if you try to search for this item by putting in keywords like "NES" and "MINI", you won't find it. That lends credence to the idea that the Chinese sites are deliberately keeping these clones under the radar. Aliexpress' search engine is broken, but it's not that broken.

I guess there are some items that are considered too dodgy even for Aliexpress....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 25, 2017, 03:58:39 pm
Think Geek has NES Classics in stock if you're willing to buy $100 worth of garbage to go along with it....

http://www.thinkgeek.com/nes-classic-bundles/?icpg=HP_Carousel_NESClassic_1 (http://www.thinkgeek.com/nes-classic-bundles/?icpg=HP_Carousel_NESClassic_1)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 25, 2017, 04:02:43 pm
Only the mega man one is still in stock, so make that $150 worth of garbage. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: shponglefan on July 27, 2017, 09:25:32 pm
Think Geek has NES Classics in stock if you're willing to buy $100 worth of garbage to go along with it....

http://www.thinkgeek.com/nes-classic-bundles/?icpg=HP_Carousel_NESClassic_1 (http://www.thinkgeek.com/nes-classic-bundles/?icpg=HP_Carousel_NESClassic_1)

And... they're gone.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: ChadTower on July 28, 2017, 02:25:38 pm



Yeah, I saw that just after the "good" bundle was sold out, and didn't pull the trigger on the others.  Just not worth it.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 29, 2017, 12:23:06 pm
Anyone still looking that lives in  Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles or Seattle -- looks like amazon is running a promo selling them at retail today out of their new treasure trucks -- https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-treasure-truck-selling-nintendo-nes-classic-for-60-today/. (https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-treasure-truck-selling-nintendo-nes-classic-for-60-today/.)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 29, 2017, 05:03:46 pm
.....sigh.....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Malenko on July 29, 2017, 05:32:48 pm
.....sigh.....

go snag me one, pay ya $20 for your troubles
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on July 29, 2017, 05:48:46 pm
In OKC, bro.  Also missing a Corey Feldman concert tonight.  Had free tickets and everything. 

 :badmood:

Just get a Famicom Mini.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 29, 2017, 07:04:44 pm
I'm pretty sure all Corey Feldman tickets are free, so at least you aren't losing anything. :D
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on July 31, 2017, 09:41:36 am
Looks like a new version of the Raspberry pi 3 Nes case has been released -- It actually looks like they made some good design changes and are making it easy to build a mini Nes pi and it's onl;y $20 right now (shows a list price of $69 but not sure if it will ever go back to that price but for $20 seems a good deal ) - pretty much the same as the $25 Chinese KNock off without the need to make modifications.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZC4TZY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZC4TZY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51GhnelPI7L.jpg)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qLifHpEFL.jpg)

Glad I bit on this when I did- today it spiked up to $59 before selling out.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 31, 2017, 10:36:52 am

Glad I bit on this when I did- today it spiked up to $59 before selling out.

Wonder if they will be making more - It almost looks like these may have been being liquidated by the chinese manufacturer after RetroFlag placed an order with them and then something happened where they didn't get paid for the order. Otherwise you'd think there would have been more talk about the product being designed/made (could be someone was wanting to make these and got as far as getting a production run done and then never went through with payment so the manufacturer put them up on Amazon for around their cost to get rid of the inventory.) Would be a shame if that ends up being what happened as these look to be a great design.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on July 31, 2017, 04:50:22 pm
It's a nice looking case, apart from the inexplicably poor design decision to put the Ethernet port on the front. However, the company selling it comes across as a bit shady. The constant price fluctuations hardly inspire confidence.

That being said, you do get Amazon's buyer protection. So, when they appear again (as I'm sure they will) l'll probably end up getting one.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 31, 2017, 09:58:14 pm
It's a nice looking case, apart from the inexplicably poor design decision to put the Ethernet port on the front. However, the company selling it comes across as a bit shady. The constant price fluctuations hardly inspire confidence.

That being said, you do get Amazon's buyer protection. So, when they appear again (as I'm sure they will) l'll probably end up getting one.

THe price fluctuations might be a part of the Amazon site -- It always seems to adjust pricing upward as a product becomes popular - even when there are several companies selling that product and they all seem to update together. In looking around a bit they are now being listed on a couple sites on Alibaba but the order placing on that site is kind of weird so it will probably get restocked fairly soon.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nexusmtz on July 31, 2017, 11:14:02 pm
My Retroflag case arrived today. I like it, aside from the redundant "CASE" and wordy "...FOR ALL OF US".

The mounting screws are a bit large for the holes in my Pi 3's pcb, necessitating a bit more careful force than I would have liked, but otherwise, the assembly went smoothly.

The power button looks like it's a simple make/break feed to pins 4 and 6, possibly with the reset button inline, so it doesn't automatically shut down or anything like that.

All 4 USB ports work from the single Pi port, which implies that it's a hub. I didn't test the network port since I'm using wireless.

Not much else to say about it, except that I wish I had grabbed a couple extras.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on July 31, 2017, 11:24:07 pm
My Retroflag case arrived today. I like it, aside from the redundant "CASE" and wordy "...FOR ALL OF US".

The mounting screws are a bit large for the holes in my Pi 3's pcb, necessitating a bit more careful force than I would have liked, but otherwise, the assembly went smoothly.

The power button looks like it's a simple make/break feed to pins 4 and 6, possibly with the reset button inline, so it doesn't automatically shut down or anything like that.

All 4 USB ports work from the single Pi port, which implies that it's a hub. I didn't test the network port since I'm using wireless.

Not much else to say about it, except that I wish I had grabbed a couple extras.

Good to hear you got it and that it is pretty much as described (when did you place the order ? ) -- Good news is there was one person on a reddit thread that got a response from them saying the first batch had sold out but they would have more in about a month - Not sure what the price will be then though since ETAPRIME did a video review of the case a couple hours before the price started going up and then they ran out (guess he has quite a few followers - who started placing orders after seeing it.)

Do you think the lettering might be able to be removed with some Nail polish remover or acetate - without messing up the case ?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nexusmtz on August 01, 2017, 02:24:20 pm
when did you place the order ?

Do you think the lettering might be able to be removed with some Nail polish remover or acetate - without messing up the case ?
I ordered on the 19th. I can't easily test the lettering. I was hoping they had labeled the HDMI and power, but they didn't. I can live with it. I think even a matte decal would look worse. The tagline is just a bit long, and NESPiCASE looks nothing like Nintendo, even from far away.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on August 01, 2017, 06:14:19 pm
I ordered the 20th. According to the USPS, mine should be here Thursday. I'll keep ya'll posted.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on August 01, 2017, 09:14:54 pm
I ordered the 20th. According to the USPS, mine should be here Thursday. I'll keep ya'll posted.

No Fair --- Mine was ordered the 19th and just arrived in Los Angeles this morning (07:44 am.) and is scheduled for delivery on Monday according to the tracking info !

Already ordered another 10 units from Alibaba ( have several family members and Friends/co-workers that have been bugging me to build them one - so will be making several as Xmas gifts ( this case makes that much easier and I can just clone the microsd card image ( will probably include a second microsd in the storage compartment for when they mess things up - can then tell them it is there and have them swap the card to get it working and then reimage a new backup when I get to it !)

Was planning to order a few more from Amazon but they ran out of stock once ETAPrime posted his youtube review and the price doubled overnight and then went to $60 - so looked around and found them on Alibaba - For the 10 units including DHL shipping and a 5% paypal fee ( would rather pay the extra 5% than give out my credit card info.) they were $17.69 each.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on August 01, 2017, 11:44:57 pm
Link?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on August 02, 2017, 12:15:42 am
I ordered the 20th. According to the USPS, mine should be here Thursday. I'll keep ya'll posted.

No Fair --- Mine was ordered the 19th and just arrived in Los Angeles this morning (07:44 am.) and is scheduled for delivery on Monday according to the tracking info !

Already ordered another 10 units from Alibaba ( have several family members and Friends/co-workers that have been bugging me to build them one - so will be making several as Xmas gifts ( this case makes that much easier and I can just clone the microsd card image ( will probably include a second microsd in the storage compartment for when they mess things up - can then tell them it is there and have them swap the card to get it working and then reimage a new backup when I get to it !)

Was planning to order a few more from Amazon but they ran out of stock once ETAPrime posted his youtube review and the price doubled overnight and then went to $60 - so looked around and found them on Alibaba - For the 10 units including DHL shipping and a 5% paypal fee ( would rather pay the extra 5% than give out my credit card info.) they were $17.69 each.

I'm in Arizona, so it's not as far as... say, where do you live, anyway?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on August 02, 2017, 01:15:17 am
I'm in Arizona, so it's not as far as... say, where do you live, anyway?

El Paso, Texas -- So only an extra 10 hours or so away - Can't complain too much as the estimate had it getting here between the 9th and 30th -- so I guess it arriving the 7th isn't bad !

Heard back from the Alibaba manufacturer and they are out of stock currently also so there is a 3 week delay in shipping the 10.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 02, 2017, 02:22:33 am
I've been wanting to do a portable version of the pi.  Like those Gameboy versions you see floating around.  I can't find a form factor I like though.... most are just Gameboy or gba shells with extra buttons tacked on.  I'd like to do maybe a DS or psp style shell. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on August 02, 2017, 02:43:26 am
I've been wanting to do a portable version of the pi.  Like those Gameboy versions you see floating around.  I can't find a form factor I like though.... most are just Gameboy or gba shells with extra buttons tacked on.  I'd like to do maybe a DS or psp style shell.

Never really liked the handhelds -- My eyesight isn't what it used to be and trying to play on a 3.5" screen just isn't much fun.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 02, 2017, 03:31:30 am
I can't either, so I want to put a giant screen in there and have optional hdmi out. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on August 02, 2017, 09:27:17 am
I'm in Arizona, so it's not as far as... say, where do you live, anyway?

El Paso, Texas -- So only an extra 10 hours or so away - Can't complain too much as the estimate had it getting here between the 9th and 30th -- so I guess it arriving the 7th isn't bad !

Heard back from the Alibaba manufacturer and they are out of stock currently also so there is a 3 week delay in shipping the 10.

I didn't know you were in El Paso. My wife's family is from there. We're due for a trip.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on August 02, 2017, 10:58:05 am
I can't either, so I want to put a giant screen in there and have optional hdmi out.

what about hacking a Wii-U gamepad?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on August 02, 2017, 11:16:50 am
I can't either, so I want to put a giant screen in there and have optional hdmi out.

what about hacking a Wii-U gamepad?

Well, yeah, sure, if you want to spend $200 for a plastic case and gimp a WiiU....

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on August 02, 2017, 11:43:26 am
I can't either, so I want to put a giant screen in there and have optional hdmi out.

what about hacking a Wii-U gamepad?

Well, yeah, sure, if you want to spend $200 for a plastic case and gimp a WiiU....



naw man, just buy a busted one on ebay. going to be gutting it anyways right?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NINTENDO-WII-U-GAMEPAD-CONTROLLER-Black-For-Parts-or-Repair-11890-/192252785085?hash=item2cc328b1bd:g:f~AAAOSwuxpZb7Ug (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NINTENDO-WII-U-GAMEPAD-CONTROLLER-Black-For-Parts-or-Repair-11890-/192252785085?hash=item2cc328b1bd:g:f~AAAOSwuxpZb7Ug)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 02, 2017, 01:27:56 pm
The screen will be the deciding factor, so when it's time to do it I'll probably 3d print a case and salvage buttons from an old gamepad or something. 

Right now I'm too busy messing with ps2 games and Gradius IV is kicking my butt.  I might have to gamefaqs this boss to get past it. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on August 02, 2017, 01:42:34 pm
basically an standard 6.5" display can be slotted into the case...

likey so...

http://sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1607 (http://sudomod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1607)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on August 02, 2017, 04:43:58 pm
According to someone who posted in the following thread (which is well worth a read), the company that manufactures the NESPI case will shortly be releasing a Famicom styled Pi case as well:

http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=13636.180 (http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=13636.180)

I'm pretty excited about this news as I'd actually prefer a Famicom styled case, especially if they come with matching controllers.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on August 03, 2017, 08:00:28 pm
This showed up today...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/0ba1d8d5ea01c87c9056ce06d88338e2.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on August 03, 2017, 08:15:05 pm
Does your dog lick his butthole to clear out the taste of peanut butter?

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on August 03, 2017, 08:24:01 pm
Does your dog lick his butthole to clear out the taste of peanut butter?

I knew YOU'D focus on that, Jimbo.

That's a her. She's working on her vagingo.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on August 03, 2017, 11:00:10 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/78b45c28e928841e6870ce25232017b9.jpg)

It's so tiny!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on August 04, 2017, 12:19:10 am
Looks like they made the most out of the space they had inside - not a lot of empty space in there - Looks like it will make building a system pretty simple (much easier than modding the other Chinese knock off like I was planning to do. )
Mines still somewhere between LA and Here (might be on the same truck that dropped yours off ) - I'm hoping it might show up on Saturday - even though the schedule says Monday


Edit : looks like it is coming Today instead of Monday !
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Mike A on August 04, 2017, 09:23:22 am
Quote
It's so tiny!!!

I think they have pills for that.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on August 04, 2017, 04:55:49 pm
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It's so tiny!!!

I think they have pills for that.
They dont work...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Mike A on August 04, 2017, 07:31:43 pm
...or so you have heard. Of course you personally have no need for that, but you know someone else who tried them. ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 8BitMonk on August 08, 2017, 12:36:22 pm
Got my RetroFlag NESPi case yesterday and am happy with it, quality looks great and the packaging is even nicely done. Thanks to JDFan for the heads-up. Some more pics below.

(http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3145.jpg) (http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3146.jpg) (http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3147.jpg) (http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3149.jpg) (http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3150.jpg) (http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3151.jpg)

Fan I purchased separately.

(http://www.eightbitmonk.com/shared_images/Misc/nespi/IMG_3148.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on August 09, 2017, 11:20:43 am
Just curious and not trying to break rules, but was rom dumping possible on the nes classic? Mostly wondering if the rom for star fox 2 on the snes classic could be possible if it is indeed a complete game and not the fan finished version. Just talking possibilities.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on August 09, 2017, 11:29:54 am
Just curious and not trying to break rules, but was rom dumping possible on the nes classic? Mostly wondering if the rom for star fox 2 on the snes classic could be possible if it is indeed a complete game and not the fan finished version. Just talking possibilities.

Yes.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on August 09, 2017, 11:31:12 am
Just curious and not trying to break rules, but was rom dumping possible on the nes classic? Mostly wondering if the rom for star fox 2 on the snes classic could be possible if it is indeed a complete game and not the fan finished version. Just talking possibilities.

Yes.
Thanks bra.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on August 09, 2017, 11:31:32 am
they already found roms contained in the virtual console to have been just dumps downloaded from the internet. I wouldn't put it past them.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on September 12, 2017, 07:18:42 am
Looks like Nintendo is now planning on bringing back the NES Classic next year so that folks who didn't get one on the first go round have a second chance. Hope this ends up being true and that there's plentiful stock as I'd like to get my hands on one without paying an arm and a leg...

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/16293664/nes-classic-coming-back-more-snes-stock (https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/16293664/nes-classic-coming-back-more-snes-stock)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 12, 2017, 12:21:34 pm
Bleh.
I got my rpi2 all configured and games installed.
Have NES usb replica controllers and a 3-d printed mini nes case for it on the way.

I'm good.

However, I would love to see nintendo churn out so many of these that the asshat scalpers trying to sell them for stupid amounts of money only break even.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 12, 2017, 12:28:59 pm
Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on September 12, 2017, 01:11:33 pm
Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?

Since the systems are outsourced to China for building anyway it probably winds up costing them the same per unit whether they do one or the other or both at the same time. Figure the molds for injecting probably only last for a specified number of prints before having to be replaced - so doesn't really matter once both molds are created which the machine is making.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 12, 2017, 01:12:28 pm
I got my rpi2 all configured and games installed.

EVERY ---smurfing--- THREAD ON EVERY ---smurfing--- WEBSITE.

Nobody cares.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 12, 2017, 01:21:22 pm
Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?

Since the systems are outsourced to China for building anyway it probably winds up costing them the same per unit whether they do one or the other or both at the same time. Figure the molds for injecting probably only last for a specified number of prints before having to be replaced - so doesn't really matter once both molds are created which the machine is making.

Well even ignoring all of that...abruptly ending sales caused them so much ill will.  Wouldn't it have made more sense to make an announcement stating that more are coming at a later date?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on September 12, 2017, 01:24:57 pm
However, I would love to see nintendo churn out so many of these that the asshat scalpers trying to sell them for stupid amounts of money only break even.

I agree. I understand paying a small premium to get ahold of something that is in short demand. But these things have been going for like $250. I could never convince myself to pay that much. And you know there are some some people working at places like Gamestop, Walmart, etc. who were just grabbing all the inventory when it came into the store and are now turning around and selling the systems on eBay or Amazon. How is that fair to the average consumer like me who just wants this thing for nostalgia and doesn't have those kind of connections? I would prefer to have Nintendo just sell the consoles directly so they could control the inventory and then pay a little bit more for that.

Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?

Yeah, this will really suck for those peeps who paid two (or more) times the original cost of these systems. I'm thankful that they are planning a second run so I can finally get one, but this will definitely burn those peeps who felt like they had to spend way more or never have the opportunity to own one. I had heard that the reason they discontinued the system early was due to competing for resources with Switch manufacturing. Perhaps they found another way to manufacturer these classic consoles? I'm really hoping that Nintendo has learned some lesson here and will make sure they keep producing the NES/SNES/N64/etc. classic systems until everyone who wants one can get one. Seems like it would definitely put a lot of extra revenue in their pockets... 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 12, 2017, 01:30:15 pm
There's odd things going on with Nintendo's supply chain.  Somehow nobody online in the US has the Switch in stock, but there are several on the shelf in any store I walk into...

Oddly enough, it's actually cheaper to buy one from the UK and import it than to pick up one domestically.  Last I checked, it was going to be about $315ish shipped, plus whatever you had to spend on a USB-C power supply.  And they're never out of stock.... With tax, it'd run me $325 to pick up one up here.

 :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on September 12, 2017, 01:37:42 pm
There's odd things going on with Nintendo's supply chain.  Somehow nobody online in the US has the Switch in stock, but there are several on the shelf in any store I walk into...

I wonder if alot of this has to do with the fact that they want people to come into the stores so they can try to sell u a ton of extra crap that u don't want/need. Of course, when u do find it online at a place like Gamestop or Target it's usually in a package with...a ton of extra crap that u don't want/need. At least if u go into the store u can always just say "no" to the ancillary stuff and just walk out with a system in hand. LOL!

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 12, 2017, 02:19:06 pm

Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?

Yeah,
Maybe it's because of all the cheap knock-offs being sold?

Since the systems are outsourced to China for building anyway it probably winds up costing them the same per unit whether they do one or the other or both at the same time. Figure the molds for injecting probably only last for a specified number of prints before having to be replaced - so doesn't really matter once both molds are created which the machine is making.

Considering how many knock-off's are coming out i'm guessing molds aren't an issue right now.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 12, 2017, 02:19:59 pm
I got my rpi2 all configured and games installed.

EVERY ---smurfing--- THREAD ON EVERY ---smurfing--- WEBSITE.

Nobody cares.

triggered?
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on September 12, 2017, 02:38:11 pm
Well even ignoring all of that...abruptly ending sales caused them so much ill will.  Wouldn't it have made more sense to make an announcement stating that more are coming at a later date?

Sure would have -- Also would have gotten many of those that were paying the scalpers prices to get one after they discontinued them to just wait for more rather than pay the ridiculous price.

Think they finally figured out that the demand for them wasn't just a passing whim and that people actually wanted them -- Probably still thought it would pass as soon as they anounced the pre-orders for the SNES until those all sold out within minutes as well and they finally realized there might actually be a market for these things.

Hopefully they actually produce more like they say they are going to but will have to wait and see - but you would think they'd come through after seeing how much profit Ebay and Amazon have made from the fees they charge on the resellers that could have been in Nintendo's pockets if they had just produced more units.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on September 12, 2017, 03:28:25 pm
I got my rpi2 all configured and games installed.

EVERY ---smurfing--- THREAD ON EVERY ---smurfing--- WEBSITE.

Nobody cares.

Except, apparently you cared enough to post a response.....
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 12, 2017, 04:38:17 pm
Except, apparently you cared enough to post a response.....

Hey, man, some of us sit there and passively tolerate bad behavior, and some of us speak up.   :applaud:

Particularly in a forum like this, where we all have an NES Classic, and we all have a Pi, and we all like the NES Classic better.... why the compulsion to mention you have a Pi?  We get it, you steal ROMs.

 ;)

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on September 13, 2017, 07:38:33 am

Hey, man, some of us sit there and passively tolerate bad behavior, and some of us speak up.   :applaud:

Particularly in a forum like this, where we all have an NES Classic, and we all have a Pi, and we all like the NES Classic better.... why the compulsion to mention you have a Pi?  We get it, you steal ROMs.

 ;)

I realise you're (probably) joking. But seriously? Since when is expressing an opinion on a message board (which is basically what message boards are for) classed as bad behaviour?

If someone's opinion really offends you so much then you do have the option of simply ignoring their post.

I get that you don't like Raspberry Pis, and that's fine. But it cuts both ways. For every Pi fanboy out there there's also a Pi hater. For example, when someone starts a thread about building a cab based around a Pi, you can pretty much guarantee that someone around here (normally Paige Oliver, but others as well) will jump in to say that they should be using a PC instead, and that Pis are basically underpowered/overpriced crap. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. I accept there are plenty of good reasons to use a PC in a cab instead of a Pi. There are also plenty of valid reasons for preferring the NES/SNES Mini to a Pi. However, there are also many equally valid counter-arguments.

Anyway, why do we even need to choose sides? There are pros and cons to all of these devices, and I'm greedy enough to want all of them. I currently own a Raspberry Pi and I'm generally happy with it. But I also intend to buy a SNES Mini in a few weeks time (assuming I can find one). And if Nintendo re-releases the NES Mini next year (I'm sceptical it will happen) then I'll probably pick up one of those as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: elvis on September 13, 2017, 08:43:37 am
Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?
Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but they're not switching back and forth - they're going to produce both, and have at least verbally committed to keeping the runs going for a while.

Regardless of that, Nintendo are old school Japanese, and it's pretty clear that a lot of the decisions they make are not done like a modern company would.  There's no rapid communication internally, and there's no questioning of the orders that come down from above.  More than that, the company is ridiculously secretive, even keeping vital information from their own staff until the last minute.

What that means is that in 2017, they're struggling to apply old management and leadership models to new business.  The Internet moves crazy fast, as does the hype it generates.  When Nintendo say publicly "we were caught by surprise at the demand for the NES mini", that's an admission that they've never read a single post on any major gaming or social media post for at least 2 years, if not longer (suicide in the gaming industry).  Hell, they've had their "emulation is the devil" posts up on their corporate website for a decade or more now, so someone somewhere had to know that there was demand for this.  If that message didn't make it back up the chain to senior management, something is very wrong with their corporate culture.

Reading this - https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/09/nintendo-nes-mini-stock-returns/ - my bigger surprise is Nintendo acknowledging the eBay vultures at all.  That says to me they at least see the missed profits their poor decisions led to. 

With any luck, they've learned from this, and changed a few ways they do things internally.  Maybe it'll bring Nintendo kicking and screaming into the 21st century finally.  Either way, I'll be happy to see this eBay flipping nonsense done with.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on September 13, 2017, 09:14:51 am
Well the problem with that is they waited so long a great number of people already paid scalper prices for the NES, maybe even some for snes pre-orders.  It's a baffling decision.  I've got to assume that switching a factory from making one product to another costs a decent amount of money.... so why not just keep making the nes classic instead of switching to the snes classic and then back again?
Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but they're not switching back and forth - they're going to produce both, and have at least verbally committed to keeping the runs going for a while.

Regardless of that, Nintendo are old school Japanese, and it's pretty clear that a lot of the decisions they make are not done like a modern company would.  There's no rapid communication internally, and there's no questioning of the orders that come down from above.  More than that, the company is ridiculously secretive, even keeping vital information from their own staff until the last minute.

What that means is that in 2017, they're struggling to apply old management and leadership models to new business.  The Internet moves crazy fast, as does the hype it generates.  When Nintendo say publicly "we were caught by surprise at the demand for the NES mini", that's an admission that they've never read a single post on any major gaming or social media post for at least 2 years, if not longer (suicide in the gaming industry).  Hell, they've had their "emulation is the devil" posts up on their corporate website for a decade or more now, so someone somewhere had to know that there was demand for this.  If that message didn't make it back up the chain to senior management, something is very wrong with their corporate culture.

Reading this - https://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2017/09/nintendo-nes-mini-stock-returns/ - my bigger surprise is Nintendo acknowledging the eBay vultures at all.  That says to me they at least see the missed profits their poor decisions led to. 

With any luck, they've learned from this, and changed a few ways they do things internally.  Maybe it'll bring Nintendo kicking and screaming into the 21st century finally.  Either way, I'll be happy to see this eBay flipping nonsense done with.

Well said! :cheers:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 13, 2017, 09:55:13 am
i'll wait for the N64 mini to come out summer 2018!

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: smass on September 13, 2017, 11:47:29 am
i'll wait for the N64 mini to come out summer 2018!

Wurd.

I would love to get the NES mini or SNES mini for retail price.  I have a pi in a NES clone case, but its not the same as the "real thing"
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 13, 2017, 11:51:52 am
Problem with Pi is Emulation Station is "good enough" and development on front ends is at a complete halt.  I'd love to see the NES Classic software ported over.

Very few N64 games I care to revisit, frankly. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 13, 2017, 12:41:37 pm
Yeah.  If I were better in Linux (and specialized Linux at that) I would try to write a frontend for the pi, but alas I'm not.

The thing about the n64 is, the games are so frikkin expensive that it's cheaper to buy a flash cart or an emulation box than to buy a single popular game.  I rgb modded my n64 and got a cheap flash cart just for golden eye, Mario kart 64 and star fox 64 essentially.   

Been playing devil's advocate the last few posts btw.... replying as some of you would have.  Connect the dots and the only way Nintendo's behavior makes sense is via my original theory.... they flat out mis-judged the popularity of the NES-Classic and weren't equipped to make enough in the long term.  It explains why no announcement was made until several months later, even after another retro console has went into production.  l

The whole old school Japanese thing is also certainly true, I've brought that up in the past as well. 

Pbj is right in that there are supply chain issues though.  There are rumors of a importer with palettes of nes classics sitting in a warehouse, for example.  I'm wondering if the thing about brick and mortar stores getting more units might have to do with some sort of deal with retailers........ though stuff on shelves is free advertising to them as I've mentioned.   I feel like Nintendo is resisting the fact that pretty soon all consoles and games will just be bought online.  I'm kind of glad they are, but I feel it might be hurting their reputation.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 13, 2017, 01:01:37 pm
1st level of Goldeneye is exceptional but that game is very difficult to play now because you can't fall off ledges.  Maddening limitation.  Been meaning to use a clip mode mod to go check out that island on the dam level.... for the last 15 years....



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 13, 2017, 01:11:33 pm
The cart sizes were so small on the n64 is a near miracle that they managed to fit as much into goldeneye as they did.  Rare were wizards before m$ bought them. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on September 13, 2017, 01:16:14 pm
I agree I have no real love for most of the N64 library.

Goldeneye was awesome, Perfect dark made it look weak somehow by just going full on nuclear awesome.

Then you got Mario Kart and Smash Bros.

Thats pretty much it for me....
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 13, 2017, 01:18:38 pm
Problem with Pi is Emulation Station is "good enough" and development on front ends is at a complete halt.  I'd love to see the NES Classic software ported over.

Very few N64 games I care to revisit, frankly.

NES mini doesn't do flicker free 240p to a CRT TV though.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 13, 2017, 01:23:40 pm
Can't please everyone.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 13, 2017, 01:28:56 pm
Can't please everyone.

clearly.  ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 13, 2017, 02:20:12 pm
Problem with Pi is Emulation Station is "good enough" and development on front ends is at a complete halt.  I'd love to see the NES Classic software ported over.

Very few N64 games I care to revisit, frankly.

NES mini doesn't do flicker free 240p to a CRT TV though.

You know what does?  A Nintendo.  If you need that option please quit kidding yourself and just buy a Nintendo. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on September 13, 2017, 02:28:08 pm
Problem with Pi is Emulation Station is "good enough" and development on front ends is at a complete halt.  I'd love to see the NES Classic software ported over.

Very few N64 games I care to revisit, frankly.

NES mini doesn't do flicker free 240p to a CRT TV though.

You know what does?  A Nintendo.  If you need that option please quit kidding yourself and just buy a Nintendo.

Not kidding myself at all.
I don't need anything when it comes to the NES.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on September 14, 2017, 02:26:33 pm
i'll wait for the N64 mini to come out summer 2018!
That thing is gonna suck if it happens. Im a huge n64 fan, but microsoft owns rare and that rules out half the games that would have been on the mini.
Banjo kazooie
banjo tooie
diddy kong racing (unless they hack out banjo and conker like the ds version)
Golden eye
Perfect dark
Conkers bad fur day.
Killer instinct .

The list will end up being something like:
Mario kart
Super mario 64
Ocarina of time
Majoras mask
Mario party
Star fox 64
Pokemon stadium
Kirby
Yoshi's story
Maybe a wrestling game but the "wwf" might be an issue

Still not bad but missing a lot of my favorite games
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: vwalbridge on September 14, 2017, 02:41:07 pm
I'd bet a whole nickle that we don't see the N64 Classic anytime soon...if ever.

Why?

Because Nintendo needs to sort out the colossal dumpster fire of the NESC and SNESC production first. They can milk the NESC and SNESC for quite some time before ever having to even sniff in the direction of exploiting the N64C. Also, N64 emulation is not perfect, it might be "good enough" for you and me but I doubt Nintendo will accept it on economical hardware they will be putting in the inside.

[rant]

Side note....I personally think the N64 was Nintendo's worst console. It was like those awkward teenage years for Nintendo while they transitioned from 2D to 3D and it was a jarring experience. Sure, a couple of the games are fun but overall the system has arguably the least number of titles worth playing and certainly not worth playing again on a classic console. 

People always use the cliche "didn't age well".  I think the N64 games virtually embody that phrase. The N64 games are the definition of "didn't age well"

[/rant]

discuss... :)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on September 14, 2017, 03:46:56 pm
Thing is with NES/SNES, that was pretty much the end of 2D console games.  Besides the Sega Saturn, there wasn't much else.

With N64, we're still playing 3D games on modern.  Anything on that system is just a primitive version of what we're playing now.  Zzzzzz......

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on September 14, 2017, 03:59:59 pm
Thing is with NES/SNES, that was pretty much the end of 2D console games.  Besides the Sega Saturn, there wasn't much else.

With N64, we're still playing 3D games on modern.  Anything on that system is just a primitive version of what we're playing now.  Zzzzzz......

Totally agree!

I said this ages ago.
The SNES and Mega Drive were the pinnacles of technology, The greatest 2D games consoles out there.

After that its pretty much bad 3D GFX.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 14, 2017, 04:41:50 pm
I disagree with that.  Games are about the gameplay and while the n64's visuals are certainly primitive, the gameplay isn't always that way.  The best star fox is still starfox 64, the second best Mario Kart is Mario Kart 64, ect.....  Also it was a time when developers were still experimenting with 3d gameplay and some genres died on the n64.  Blast corps, for example.... we've never seen anything like it since. 

You'd be hard pressed to find 100 timeless n64 titles, but I bet you'd find a dozen or two, and that's all the n64 classic would need.  That being said it'd make sense to wait a few years before releasing the n64 classic.... so that generation got a bit older. 
Title: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on September 14, 2017, 05:16:35 pm
Trouble is nearly all the games worth having are the titles from Rare, and Mario Games.
With the oddity like Star Fox.

Agree about the leaving it a few years though.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Grasshopper on September 16, 2017, 11:18:33 am
Thing is with NES/SNES, that was pretty much the end of 2D console games.  Besides the Sega Saturn, there wasn't much else.

With N64, we're still playing 3D games on modern.  Anything on that system is just a primitive version of what we're playing now.  Zzzzzz......

I also agree. Most of the early 3D games haven't aged well at all, on any platform.

Games are indeed about gameplay. But the poor resolution, framerate, texturing, and polygon count of the early 3D games does inevitably impact on the enjoyment you get from the game. Most platforms from the 90s didn't really have the raw horsepower necessary to create a convincing illusion of a 3D world, and you need that before you can even consider the gameplay.

However, I don't think that poor 2D graphics impacts gameplay nearly as much as poor 3D graphics. Indeed, the crude graphics of some of the early 2D games are actually part of their charm. So, I think that 2D games generally age better that 3D ones. The exception might be some of the games on the very early platforms such as the Atari 2600 or ZX81. But even on those platforms there are a few hidden gems.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Osirus23 on May 14, 2018, 05:11:08 pm
Nintendo is going to start shipping these again in June.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/05/14/nintendo-brings-back-nes-classic-social-media-goes-nuts.html (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/05/14/nintendo-brings-back-nes-classic-social-media-goes-nuts.html)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: keilmillerjr on May 15, 2018, 05:04:29 pm
Problem with Pi is Emulation Station is "good enough" and development on front ends is at a complete halt.  I'd love to see the NES Classic software ported over.

Very few N64 games I care to revisit, frankly.

NES mini doesn't do flicker free 240p to a CRT TV though.

Rpi > nes mini for this exact reason. Shlt, a regular nes is better than an nes mini. Just get a multicart and enjoy using it on your crt.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Malenko on May 15, 2018, 05:39:58 pm
Nesmini can be modded to play master system games and turbographx, and gameboy/color/advance. You could plug in a snesmini controller and add all those games.  Pros and cons to both.

Compatibility with a CRT isn't high on my priority list.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 15, 2018, 05:54:36 pm
Rpi > nes mini for this exact reason. Shlt, a regular nes is better than an nes mini. Just get a multicart and enjoy using it on your crt.

As someone that owns a Pi, NES with multicart, and NES Classic.... bro, it ain't even close.  NES Classic all day, every day.

I'll believe Nintendo is actually making these when I see them on the shelf.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: keilmillerjr on May 15, 2018, 11:37:15 pm
Rpi > nes mini for this exact reason. Shlt, a regular nes is better than an nes mini. Just get a multicart and enjoy using it on your crt.

As someone that owns a Pi, NES with multicart, and NES Classic.... bro, it ain't even close.  NES Classic all day, every day.

I'll believe Nintendo is actually making these when I see them on the shelf.

Well, I can’t even use it on my tv so guess I will never find out...

The only tv I own with hdmi is in my kids room mounted on the wall.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on May 16, 2018, 10:48:45 am
Dude, c'mon.  I don't even pick up flatscreen TVs on the side of the road anymore. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on May 16, 2018, 01:07:53 pm
I’m picking up a 52” plasma today from a friend for my office!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on June 05, 2018, 12:00:32 pm
I was just kidding about an N64 mini back then. LOL!

http://www.newsweek.com/mini-n64-nintendo-trademark-leak-rumor-939525 (http://www.newsweek.com/mini-n64-nintendo-trademark-leak-rumor-939525)

MINI N64 COMING SOON? NINTENDO TRADEMARK APPLICATIONS HINT AT NEW RETRO CONSOLE
Nintendo has filed new trademarks in Japan that suggest another miniature version of one of its popular consoles may be on the way.

According to Japanese Nintendo, the company has applied for a trademark on N64. Japanese Nintendo translated the applications, which states the trademark is for the purpose of video game program, controller for game machine, joystick for game machine, TV game machine and more. The site also posted screenshots of the trademark application, suggesting a Mini N64 could be in the works.

Nintendo has filed trademarks linked to past consoles before. Back in December 2016, a trademark filing by Nintendo showed a miniature Super Nintendo controller. The trademark was found almost a year before the Mini Super Nintendo hit stores.

Nintendo’s E3 2018 presentation will be held Tuesday, June 12 at 12 p.m. EDT. It’s possible the event may see an official announcement of the Mini N64. However, based on how Nintendo announced its other retro consoles they may wait until after E3 to do so. The Mini NES wasn’t revealed until July 2016 and the company announced the Mini SNES a couple of weeks after E3 2017.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on June 05, 2018, 12:25:56 pm
The mini 64 will happen I have no doubt.

But will the fix the controllers that is the real q lol
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on June 05, 2018, 01:06:16 pm
The N64 is definitely a system I can easily pass up. Never liked it then, don't care for it now. There are only a handful of titles that were decent, and even with that they don't really hold up that well now. Unlike PSX games, there's something about N64 games that felt janky.
The only people that are avid fans of the N64 seem to be those in their 20's and super fanbois that are just blinded by subservient devotion.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 1500points on June 05, 2018, 03:06:19 pm
The n64 had mario 64 and mario kart which by themselves are superb.

Robotron 64 is really entertaining too. Very clever 3d-ish design.  Hard as heck later on too i bought it a number of years back but couldn’t get to the end.


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on June 05, 2018, 03:11:51 pm
Yeah the 64 had some great titles.

Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Mario & Kart 64, Zelda & DK all pretty amazing games.

Sadly there was allot of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to!

The biggest prob with it was the nastily engineered joystick though!!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 05, 2018, 03:55:50 pm
Decent version of Gauntlet Legends with the RAM expansion pack... and that game is in fact why I bought an N64 back in the day.  Mario Golf is also quite fun and Nintendo's never managed to make a good golf game since (besides that Wii Sports tech demo).

 :dunno
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Osirus23 on June 05, 2018, 05:24:13 pm
The N64 is definitely a system I can easily pass up. Never liked it then, don't care for it now.

Same. There was only 3 maybe 4 games for it I enjoyed and all have been re-released elsewhere.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on June 05, 2018, 05:28:33 pm
Robotron 64 is really entertaining too. Very clever 3d-ish design.  Hard as heck later on too i bought it a number of years back but couldn’t get to the end.
That's not the way I'd describe it. I would say the developers made "interesting choices". The 3D does not work for this game. The moving camera gets too low when you get to the south end and corners of the level, making collisions hard to gauge... or it cuts off action because it gets too close or too much on one side of the map, making peripheral action hard to keep an eye on. Something very much needed in a Robotron game. The controls are atrocious for Robotron on that Fisher Price toy they call a controller. And what's up with the character design?  The game is just ugly and unplayable IMO.

Yeah the 64 had some great titles.

Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Mario & Kart 64, Zelda & DK all pretty amazing games.

Sadly there was allot of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to!

The biggest prob with it was the nastily engineered joystick though!!

Unfortunately Perfect Dark and Goldeneye do not hold up anymore. The clunky controls were fine for back then, when we didn't know better, but now it's just frustrating and slow. Graphics-wise it's very hard to look at any FPS type game on the N64 with those low poly models, lack of aliasing, and very blurry textures.

Honestly I think there are maybe 5 games on the N64 I would say are alright games to play now...but does these 5 warrant a Mini Classic version? That's in comparison to the NES or SNES library where you have orders of magnitude more games that are still relevant or still hold it's charm.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on June 05, 2018, 05:43:29 pm
Robotron 64 is really entertaining too. Very clever 3d-ish design.  Hard as heck later on too i bought it a number of years back but couldn’t get to the end.
That's not the way I'd describe it. I would say the developers made "interesting choices". The 3D does not work for this game. The moving camera gets too low when you get to the south end and corners of the level, making collisions hard to gauge... or it cuts off action because it gets too close or too much on one side of the map, making peripheral action hard to keep an eye on. Something very much needed in a Robotron game. The controls are atrocious for Robotron on that Fisher Price toy they call a controller. And what's up with the character design?  The game is just ugly and unplayable IMO.

Yeah the 64 had some great titles.

Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Mario & Kart 64, Zelda & DK all pretty amazing games.

Sadly there was allot of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to!

The biggest prob with it was the nastily engineered joystick though!!

Unfortunately Perfect Dark and Goldeneye do not hold up anymore. The clunky controls were fine for back then, when we didn't know better, but now it's just frustrating and slow. Graphics-wise it's very hard to look at any FPS type game on the N64 with those low poly models, lack of aliasing, and very blurry textures.

Honestly I think there are maybe 5 games on the N64 I would say are alright games to play now...but does these 5 warrant a Mini Classic version? That's in comparison to the NES or SNES library where you have orders of magnitude more games that are still relevant or still hold it's charm.

If you are comparing them to modern standards thats a whole different kettle of fish!

IMO anything between the 32bit and modern standard looks terrible by todays view.

But that is because by the time you got to the 32bit consoles they were pretty much the pinnacle of 2D gaming and the start of 3Dish.

Then along came the PSX and the 64 and everything went 3D! Was amazing at the time but looked poor at best and now well they look downright awful!
PS2 era was considerably better but still a little rough.
Its only really last gen where games started to look tidy again IMO.

So yeah if you compare them to a modern FPS they are terrible!
But if you look at them with perspective of the time they were pretty ground breaking especially Perfect Dark.
Fully aim-able cross hairs, Hit detection, multiplayer etc.
They really started to bridge the gap between console and PC at that point.

 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Vigo on June 05, 2018, 06:07:24 pm
64 was the ultimate party console. Single player gamers could generally find much more value in a PSX. N64 was great for everything multiplayer. Besides the obvious mentioned above, there was stuff like WCW/NWO Revenge, Wayne Gretsky Hockey, BattleTanx, Smash Bros, NFL Blitz, Dr Mario, Mario Party, Snowboard kids, etc. It wasn't until the xbox/GC came out that me and my friends were deviating from the N64 for gaming.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on June 05, 2018, 07:35:54 pm
Robotron 64 is really entertaining too. Very clever 3d-ish design.  Hard as heck later on too i bought it a number of years back but couldn’t get to the end.
That's not the way I'd describe it. I would say the developers made "interesting choices". The 3D does not work for this game. The moving camera gets too low when you get to the south end and corners of the level, making collisions hard to gauge... or it cuts off action because it gets too close or too much on one side of the map, making peripheral action hard to keep an eye on. Something very much needed in a Robotron game. The controls are atrocious for Robotron on that Fisher Price toy they call a controller. And what's up with the character design?  The game is just ugly and unplayable IMO.

Yeah the 64 had some great titles.

Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Mario & Kart 64, Zelda & DK all pretty amazing games.

Sadly there was allot of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to!

The biggest prob with it was the nastily engineered joystick though!!

Unfortunately Perfect Dark and Goldeneye do not hold up anymore. The clunky controls were fine for back then, when we didn't know better, but now it's just frustrating and slow. Graphics-wise it's very hard to look at any FPS type game on the N64 with those low poly models, lack of aliasing, and very blurry textures.

Honestly I think there are maybe 5 games on the N64 I would say are alright games to play now...but does these 5 warrant a Mini Classic version? That's in comparison to the NES or SNES library where you have orders of magnitude more games that are still relevant or still hold it's charm.

If you are comparing them to modern standards thats a whole different kettle of fish!

IMO anything between the 32bit and modern standard looks terrible by todays view.

But that is because by the time you got to the 32bit consoles they were pretty much the pinnacle of 2D gaming and the start of 3Dish.

Then along came the PSX and the 64 and everything went 3D! Was amazing at the time but looked poor at best and now well they look downright awful!
PS2 era was considerably better but still a little rough.
Its only really last gen where games started to look tidy again IMO.

So yeah if you compare them to a modern FPS they are terrible!
But if you look at them with perspective of the time they were pretty ground breaking especially Perfect Dark.
Fully aim-able cross hairs, Hit detection, multiplayer etc.
They really started to bridge the gap between console and PC at that point.

No, I'm considering those games as candidates for a Classic Mini product. If you look at the games on the NES and SNES classic mini's you'll notice practically all those games hold up today, or hold their charm, even with those old gaming standards.   Something that holds the test of time, and is enjoyable today is what constitutes as being "CLASSIC".  Music and Movies are the same thing... there are classics, and there are old movies and music that were good for it's day, but suck now.  Would I pay for these crappy movies or music today?  Hell no...  but classics can be re-released for newer generations and can still be enjoyable.  I would gladly pay for a timeless game that can still be enjoyed now, without nostalgia getting in the way of my view.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on June 05, 2018, 07:50:18 pm
Other than updating Goldeneyes targeting ret so it does not spring back it would be totally enjoyable today.
Same with Perfect Dark.

And the Marios and DK are still fun to play.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on June 05, 2018, 08:05:47 pm
Other than updating Goldeneyes targeting ret so it does not spring back it would be totally enjoyable today.
Same with Perfect Dark.

And the Marios and DK are still fun to play.

We can agree to disagree.  ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: bigster on June 05, 2018, 10:29:00 pm
64 was the ultimate party console. Single player gamers could generally find much more value in a PSX. N64 was great for everything multiplayer. Besides the obvious mentioned above, there was stuff like WCW/NWO Revenge, Wayne Gretsky Hockey, BattleTanx, Smash Bros, NFL Blitz, Dr Mario, Mario Party, Snowboard kids, etc. It wasn't until the xbox/GC came out that me and my friends were deviating from the N64 for gaming.
Yes to party console.  First smash.  4 player Mario kart.  Mario party.  Then when you consider Mario 64, the zelda games, and dk you got a solid system.  Problem is that if you thought star fox 1 and 2 played bad on snes classic, you are really going to hate how the games play on a n64 classic.

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 05, 2018, 11:54:12 pm
Goldeneye had a great theme and multiplayer.  The first level was incredible.  Controls wise it was already out of date by the time it came out and I find it infuriating to play now.  Though it is interesting how much unused stuff there is floating in the rom....


Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Malenko on June 06, 2018, 08:09:21 am
I don't think the problem is releasing 5 or 10 good N64 games, I think the problem is trying to put 20 good games on it. Theres bound to be "filler titles" and if licensing is an issue (like Killer Instinct, the Wrestling games,etc) the already slim pickings gets slimmer. I dont need a N64 mini, my SNESmini already plays them.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Titchgamer on June 06, 2018, 08:22:33 am
I don't think the problem is releasing 5 or 10 good N64 games, I think the problem is trying to put 20 good games on it. Theres bound to be "filler titles" and if licensing is an issue (like Killer Instinct, the Wrestling games,etc) the already slim pickings gets slimmer. I dont need a N64 mini, my SNESmini already plays them.

Out of interest how well do they play?

My personal experiences of trying to play emulated 64 games has been dire!

Just one of those systems that cant be emulated particularly well imo.

Mostly due to the controls I think.

And yeah Killer Instinct is easily one of the best 3rd party games if not the best on there.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: thomas_surles on June 06, 2018, 08:55:54 am
Not to mention microsoft owns some of the best titles on the 64
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Malenko on June 06, 2018, 09:08:37 am
Out of interest how well do they play?

My personal experiences of trying to play emulated 64 games has been dire!

For the games that REQUIRE an analog, they play well enough on a Wii Classic Controller Pro. The ones that can be played with a D pad are fine with a SNES controller.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on June 06, 2018, 11:57:36 am
64 was the ultimate party console. Single player gamers could generally find much more value in a PSX. N64 was great for everything multiplayer. Besides the obvious mentioned above, there was stuff like WCW/NWO Revenge, Wayne Gretsky Hockey, BattleTanx, Smash Bros, NFL Blitz, Dr Mario, Mario Party, Snowboard kids, etc. It wasn't until the xbox/GC came out that me and my friends were deviating from the N64 for gaming.

Me and the boys had some fun with smash bros, mario party, diddy kong racing, mario kart.
It was a few yrs ago when I had the OUYA up with 4 controllers and we were emulating N64.
kids also loved donkeykong 3d (which had some collision detection issues) and mario 3d.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 06, 2018, 02:23:18 pm
Anyone hear if they're going to do pre-orders for the NES Classic releasing again on 6/29? Looks like they have them for pre-order on the Nintendo UK store. Not sure why they wouldn't do the same here...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on June 06, 2018, 02:54:58 pm
Anyone hear if they're going to do pre-orders for the NES Classic releasing again on 6/29? Looks like they have them for pre-order on the Nintendo UK store. Not sure why they wouldn't do the same here...

Seems Nintendo America puts a later live date on sales than their counterparts in other countries - so there aren't any listings yet but might be as it gets closer ( Gamestop has announced they will not be doing pre orders ) - With all of the problems the retailers had filling the pre-orders the last 2 times ( from selling out in less than a minute due to the bots, to cancelling all of the first round of pre-orders, to having to import from the middle east distributor a month after release to fill the pre-orders, etc.)  I wouldn't be trying to pre-order anyway
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 06, 2018, 04:32:38 pm
Thanks for the insight JDFan. I didn't realize the preorders were such a cluster last time. Probably best to just try to grab one in store I suppose. Hopefully the demand won't be quite as bad since a lot of folks already own one from the last round...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on June 06, 2018, 04:57:57 pm
Thanks for the insight JDFan. I didn't realize the preorders were such a cluster last time. Probably best to just try to grab one in store I suppose. Hopefully the demand won't be quite as bad since a lot of folks already own one from the last round...

Yeah it was pretty bad - Walmart sold them first and wound up selling 10x what they had been allocated in just a few minutes - then turned around and cancelled all of them ( about a week later) when they realized they were never going to receive enough to cover the amount they had sold - Amazon sold a bunch and didn't have enough to cover the sales so wound up going to the middle east vendor and buying a bunch to cover what they had pre-sold but didn't get them until about a month or so after release and then they were the US version but did not include the AC adapter or poster that came with the US version ( Think they wound up giving most of the late orders a discount to make up for it but had many upset customers when they didn't get them for several weeks after release)

At least they have pretty much caught up to the demand and had some available for most that wanted them this time around so hopefully the same will happen with the NES re-release - So the scalpers will stay away from buying them all up hoping to cash in like they did with the first release since Nintendo actually produced several million more SNES's than they did the NES the first time ( I mainly just want them to actually release some extra controllers to get a second one for the NES I got the first round but will probably get a backup system as well since I traded my backup for a UK version of the SNES. )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nitrogen_widget on June 07, 2018, 01:18:29 pm
From what I remember and can tell the same people on facebook market place and craigs list that were trying to sell these for around $200 are now down to $120 and have been re-posting weekly with "almost gone!" and "moving fast!" in the post.
I just laugh.

I hope nintendo just keeps making these.
eventually you will be able to pick one up on the shelf at walmart or Target for advertised price because the scalpers went broke.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 20, 2018, 07:05:32 am
If anyone is interested in pre-ordering one of these when they release on 6/29 and you don't mind the European version, Amazon UK has them available. It doesn't come with the power brick, but any standard 5v USB will work. Nintendo of America also sells them separately if you want an official one. Even though the price is listed as 49.99 Pounds, it actually ended up being around 41 Pounds when I added to the cart (which is only $54 at current rates). I believe that is even cheaper than what they will cost here. Here is the link for it:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Entertainment-Electronic/dp/B01IFJEWTM?_encoding=UTF8&tag=igndeals-21&ascsubtag=63f75a15-90d2-433f-a720-e0fa99e726cf (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Entertainment-Electronic/dp/B01IFJEWTM?_encoding=UTF8&tag=igndeals-21&ascsubtag=63f75a15-90d2-433f-a720-e0fa99e726cf)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on June 20, 2018, 09:24:04 am
Even though the price is listed as 49.99 Pounds, it actually ended up being around 41 Pounds when I added to the cart (which is only $54 at current rates). I believe that is even cheaper than what they will cost here.

Yeah that's due to them removing the local taxes/import duty once you change the shipping address to somewhere international -- but then they add in the shipping cost ( not sure how much they charge for shipping) so the cost winds up being a bit more than buying retail depending on what your local tax rate is.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 20, 2018, 10:45:41 am
Yeah, I figured the VAT was built into the original price and they just stripped that out since it was shipping to the US. I believe standard shipping was around 6 Pounds ($8). Our tax rate here is around 10%, so this deal would actually be a little cheaper. Of course, you don't get the wall adapter in the deal so that could involve extra costs if a person doesn't already have one...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on June 20, 2018, 11:26:33 am
Owning basically all of these mini systems including a Pi Zero, I find that I'm not really touching the SNES or Famicom much anymore.  The wired controllers are a huge PITA.  The Genesis mini has its quirks, but the wireless controllers and rewind feature are awesome.  It's nice that you can hack more systems onto the S/NES minis but the folders and loading game lists is annoying.



Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 20, 2018, 01:23:08 pm
I have the 8Bitdo controllers that I use with the mini systems. They are awesome. All my consoles sit in an entertainment center that is pretty far away from my couch. I'm trying to get wireless controllers for all the systems I own because using controller extensions suck. Supposedly Retro-bit is coming out with wireless controllers for all the Sega systems. Looking forward to those. Krikzz has also made a wireless controller for Master System/Genesis/MD. Hopefully he will make other controllers. His products are top notch!
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on June 24, 2018, 10:12:31 pm
FOr anyone looking for the extra controller to go with their NES classic -- looks like some of the Walmarts put them out early instead of waiting for Friday ( They are holding the systems but many have put out the controllers ! ) So you might want to stop by your local Walmart to see if you are wanting to buy a second official controller - I just bought 2 this afternoon from the local store after someone posted a notice on reditt.

Here's the brickseek link if you want to check your local store - https://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker/?sku=54906124

They come 5 to a case so most stores are getting 10 or 15 so if you see it showing a different count they are probably already selling them ( Local store now shows 6 when they had 10 yesterday ! )
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: nexusmtz on June 29, 2018, 12:49:17 am
8 people were in line with 30 in stock at midnight in Manchester, CT.  I had picked up a controller earlier in the week, which was a good thing, since they were out. Nobody seemed to be there for scalping purposes, but they weren't going to let anyone have more than two anyway, and people had to go to the end of the (admittedly short) line for the second.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: lilshawn on June 29, 2018, 01:18:33 am
http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-nes-classic-edition-release-date-2018-5 (http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-nes-classic-edition-release-date-2018-5)
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: gamepimp on June 29, 2018, 09:00:05 am
Best Buy has these available on their website to order right now if anyone wants one without going to a store. Looks like they might be more readily available this time around thank goodness.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: yotsuya on June 29, 2018, 06:38:28 pm
I was at Target right now buying stuff for dinner since people are going to come over and swim. I wandered by the electronics department, saw these in stock, and grabbed one along with an extra controller. Eff you scalpers!

BTW, that’s my dog’s Zanax

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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: jdbailey1206 on June 30, 2018, 11:11:00 pm

BTW, that’s my dog’s Zanax


Cant imagine why a dog would need Zanax this time of year...
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: jmike on August 03, 2018, 01:24:32 pm
Stopped by my local Wal-Mart for groceries and found 3 NES classic systems on the shelves. I was lucky enough to to get one on the first run but never picked up the 2nd controller until today. Guess I waited long enough.   :applaud:
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: 1500points on August 03, 2018, 09:12:40 pm
Stack of them at walmart and gamestop around here. Shelf of the controllers too. Don’t seem to be moving.

The steam from the popculture hype train isn’t driving them this time.


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Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 04, 2018, 12:21:36 am
I guess you haven't heard the news.  The NES Classic, not the Switch, not the PS4, was the best selling console of June by a decent margin.  Nintendo finally got their supply chain figured out, but that doesn't mean there isn't demand. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Osirus23 on August 04, 2018, 01:54:53 pm
Stack of them at walmart and gamestop around here. Shelf of the controllers too. Don’t seem to be moving.

The steam from the popculture hype train isn’t driving them this time.


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Controllers interest me more than the console (which I own and haven't used since the week of purchase). I can mod them to be USB and have an authentic Nintendo-made NES controller for emulators.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on August 04, 2018, 08:21:26 pm
Controllers interest me more than the console (which I own and haven't used since the week of purchase). I can mod them to be USB and have an authentic Nintendo-made NES controller for emulators.


Best Buy has both the systems and controllers in stock online.
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on August 04, 2018, 08:35:39 pm
I’m tempted to back convert a couple of them to work with regular NES.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 04, 2018, 09:00:36 pm
You can get knock-offs for a little bit of nothing.... for around 15 bucks you could use the guts of ones of those, buy a nes classic gamepad have a brand new nes controller. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: pbj on August 04, 2018, 11:26:39 pm
Good point.  I was thinking more of yanking the pcbs and cables from $1 controllers out of bins at a video game swap meet, but no reason not to use a knockoff.

Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 04, 2018, 11:29:58 pm
I just wish they sold the snes controllers separately.... My gamepads are kinda janky after 30 years of wear. 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: JDFan on August 04, 2018, 11:58:14 pm
I just wish they sold the snes controllers separately.... My gamepads are kinda janky after 30 years of wear.

IF you are talkiing the SNES mini controllers - if you contact Nintendo support they actually do have some they will sell you ( just tell them the one you have is not working and you were wondering if they could sell you a replacement ) They come without a box or anything since they do not sell them at retail but they keep them for warranty replacement etc. ( IIRC last I heard they were selling them for about $10 +/- ) 
Title: Re: Nintendo is bringing back the NES — NES Classic Edition
Post by: opt2not on August 05, 2018, 01:13:03 am
You can get knock-offs for a little bit of nothing.... for around 15 bucks you could use the guts of ones of those, buy a nes classic gamepad have a brand new nes controller.
I paid that price shipped from eBay for official ones. No need to support the knockoff market.