Post by: opt2not on April 19, 2017, 08:31:41 pm
real?
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 19, 2017, 08:43:38 pm
The thing is they make them so darn cheap. If it's real I'll probably get one just to throw on a shelf. An expensive nick-nack sure, but when it's functional and sanctioned by Nintendo it's kind of special.
In the meantime I think I'll dig through some of the "gamepad to i2c" code out on the interwebs and add support for more exotic systems like the virtual boy. I bought one, but boy it kills my eyes even more than when I used to play the Hills kiosk as a kid. Sitting back in front of the big screen probably makes more sense.
Post by: thomas_surles on April 19, 2017, 09:21:35 pm
Doubt its was real though.
Post by: thomas_surles on April 19, 2017, 09:29:15 pm
If this is really the game list though that kinda sucks. I mean all of those are good choices but they are leaving out some good ones. Gotta have chrono trigger, kirby, donkey kong country trilogy, mortal kombat 2, battletoads, and secret of mana.
Post by: gamepimp on April 19, 2017, 09:41:26 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 19, 2017, 09:55:39 pm
Post by: Titchgamer on April 20, 2017, 03:11:10 am
But only because it makes sense.
They have seen a opportunity and now exploiting it to the max.
Personally ide rather a real SNES with a ever drive but thats just me :)
Post by: gamepimp on April 20, 2017, 08:16:38 am
Unless they expand the storage capacity that is unlikely. They could (and probably would to save costs) use the exact same board for the snes version and while 300mb is more than enough for a massive nes library, the snes game collection is a few gigs.
That's true. The game library is quite a bit bigger. That said, hopefully a decent chunk of it could fit on there. Especially if you take out region duplicates and some of the stuff that isn't very good. I do agree that having the original SNES with RGB out and an Everdrive or SD2SNES would be more ideal. However, if they offer preorders for the classic SNES and it's only $60, that would be quite a bargain to be able to play so many awesome games in a pretty convenient package...
Post by: thomas_surles on April 20, 2017, 09:24:01 am
Post by: pbj on April 20, 2017, 09:50:57 am
:dunno
Post by: wp34 on April 20, 2017, 10:43:20 am
I only speak from experience at a recent video game "swap meet" but it was maybe 70% NES, 20% N64, 5% SNES, 5% Other (Atari/Genesis/whatever). I think demand is going to be considerably cooler for an SNES Classic.
:dunno
I agree. There doesn't seem to be the nostalgia for the SNES there is with the NES. Most civilians can't tell them apart.
Post by: thomas_surles on April 20, 2017, 10:48:35 am
Post by: wp34 on April 20, 2017, 11:15:58 am
I thought the snes was the greatest console of all time.
It is one of my favorites and certainly better than the NES. I still remember the first time I noticed that Zelda was in stereo. Seems quaint now but hearing a pot you threw at a wall on the left break in the left speaker was amazing.
Post by: SuperGojira2001 on April 20, 2017, 11:34:42 am
Post by: pbj on April 20, 2017, 11:38:53 am
Hopefully I'll actually be able to get my hands on one, and then mod it to play NES games. :lol
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 20, 2017, 02:06:16 pm
Post by: opt2not on April 20, 2017, 03:47:58 pm
Also TMNT:Turtles in Time was a superior version on SNES than the arcade, as well as UN Squadron.
Post by: pbj on April 20, 2017, 04:03:16 pm
Post by: opt2not on April 20, 2017, 04:21:53 pm
Post by: wp34 on April 20, 2017, 04:32:04 pm
Post by: pbj on April 20, 2017, 04:33:11 pm
Post by: thomas_surles on April 20, 2017, 04:34:12 pm
F-Zero on the SNES might be my all-time favorite "racing" game.Uniracers!
Post by: wp34 on April 20, 2017, 04:39:40 pm
F-Zero on the SNES might be my all-time favorite "racing" game.Uniracers!
Had to Bing that one. ;D
Ick, really? I had the misfortune of playing that last weekend at the Game Preserve on one of those dopey SNES cabinets. Walked away halfway through lap 1.
Seriously. I even bought it for my WiiU but I can't stand playing it unless I have an original controller.
Post by: thomas_surles on April 20, 2017, 04:44:07 pm
Bro first switch to google, second go play uniracers. It is the shizz. Unfortunately they got sued by pixar so it will not be making an appearance again.F-Zero on the SNES might be my all-time favorite "racing" game.Uniracers!
Had to Bing that one. ;DIck, really? I had the misfortune of playing that last weekend at the Game Preserve on one of those dopey SNES cabinets. Walked away halfway through lap 1.
Seriously. I even bought it for my WiiU but I can't stand playing it unless I have an original controller.
Post by: Titchgamer on April 20, 2017, 05:11:42 pm
I only speak from experience at a recent video game "swap meet" but it was maybe 70% NES, 20% N64, 5% SNES, 5% Other (Atari/Genesis/whatever). I think demand is going to be considerably cooler for an SNES Classic.
:dunno
Intresting...
Most people I talk to barely remember the NES its always the SNES or the N64 they seem to talk about with regard Nintendo.
Mega Drive/Genesis was also very popular over here.
Post by: thomas_surles on April 20, 2017, 05:27:03 pm
Same here but i was born in 91 so thats what most of my friends had,I only speak from experience at a recent video game "swap meet" but it was maybe 70% NES, 20% N64, 5% SNES, 5% Other (Atari/Genesis/whatever). I think demand is going to be considerably cooler for an SNES Classic.
:dunno
Intresting...
Most people I talk to barely remember the NES its always the SNES or the N64 they seem to talk about with regard Nintendo.
Mega Drive/Genesis was also very popular over here.
Post by: smass on April 20, 2017, 08:21:33 pm
On topic, if I saw either the NES Classic or the SNES classic on a shelf for regular price I would buy them in a hot minute. I have all these systems emulated of course, but the cool factor of an actual Nintendo product would be too hard to resist. Too bad the company doesn't give a damn.
Post by: Titchgamer on April 21, 2017, 02:06:27 am
It was just a better console in every respect and most of the games I played on NES were on SNES anyway.
But I always preferred the mega drive personally.
Atari etc were funny ones really as not many people I knew had one. I had a C64 and my bestie had a Atari but cant remember which model.
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 21, 2017, 01:49:55 pm
The SNES is just a NES on steroids. By this time developers had narrowed their vision and took less risks to maximize profit. Basically every game on the system was a beat-em-up or a Super Mario clone, and most of the SM clones sucked. The thing it did have going for it were superior arcade ports, and while that mattered then, it really doesn't now as most of those games are just better in MAME.
That doesn't mean that I don't love the snes, I do, and I probably spent more time on the snes as a kid, but if were are going to compare them ignoring nostalgia, it's a no-brainer.
Also people from the UK can't really comment on the NES because it didn't catch on in that region. You were all heavily invested in lousy non-ibm PCs, playing games developed by 4 guys in a basement. ;)
Post by: Titchgamer on April 21, 2017, 02:22:21 pm
Objectively the NES is a better system with a better library. Why? Well, for the first time developers had a popular console that had powerful enough hardware to make virtually any type of multi-stage game. But that concept was brand new, so they didn't know what types of games to make. What happened was they tried anything and everything, throwing ideas at the wall to see what stuck. So in the end the NES had a varied and unique library. Also the market was about 90% Nintendo, so virtually anything worth playing that generation was on the NES.
The SNES is just a NES on steroids. By this time developers had narrowed their vision and took less risks to maximize profit. Basically every game on the system was a beat-em-up or a Super Mario clone, and most of the SM clones sucked. The thing it did have going for it were superior arcade ports, and while that mattered then, it really doesn't now as most of those games are just better in MAME.
That doesn't mean that I don't love the snes, I do, and I probably spent more time on the snes as a kid, but if were are going to compare them ignoring nostalgia, it's a no-brainer.
Also people from the UK can't really comment on the NES because it didn't catch on in that region. You were all heavily invested in lousy non-ibm PCs, playing games developed by 4 guys in a basement. ;)
I can comment on them as I owned one as did many of my friends ;)
The fact it has a huge library of many terrible games is not a pro for me!
I rather quality of quantity.
Dont get me wrong I love the NES, and the gaming world owes much to it, Even the very existence of it possibly!
But the controllers were horrid (lets be honest rectangular controllers are badly designed!) and the best games of the system made it to the SNES anyway.
You can ignore nostalgia but you cant really compare old consoles with hindsight.
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 21, 2017, 04:36:50 pm
The best games of the system didn't make it to the snes. Their sequels did. For the most part, the originals were better. SMB 3 is better than SMW. The nes mega mans are better than mmx. You know that open-world, no rules Zelda that just came out where you could got anywhere and do anything in virtually any order? That is what the original LOZ is like... LTTP and subsequent sequels became increasingly linear. I think Castlevania IV might be better than the originals, but it's really just a 16 bit remake of the first game. I think it's a solid argument than Super Metroid is better than the original, but then again, much like Zelda, the lack of a map and explicit instructions or directions made the original more fun imho.
And you say you want quality over quantity, well so do I, and that's why the NES is better. SMW, Super Metroid, and LTTP are quality games..... and.... yeah that's about it. The rest are excellent arcade ports, games that have since been surpassed by more modern sequels, or games that really don't live up to their sequels and/or have an equally good nes game in their anthology. Doesn't matter anyway as Nintendo would only include ~30 games.
I played the snes longer and I had a ton of fun with it, but looking back, aside from Super Mario World and a few oddball gems like that it was mostly a machine for me to play Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat II with my friends. I play those on MAME now. Looking back at the NES, after rental shops went into full swing were were playing at least one new game a week for about 8 years! Some of them were crap sure, but the bulk were really good and it was exciting to see what each game was like because they were all so different.
Also you've got to understand that these sorts of products are not for us, they are for the casuals. Sure having played LTTP and LOZ multiple times over the years you might prefer LTTP, but they person who has never played either, or hasn't played them in 25 years, they might get more enjoyment out of the original due to the harder challenge.
Anyway the discussion is rather pointless, I'll be just as excited about the SNES classic as you guys.
Post by: pbj on April 21, 2017, 04:49:06 pm
:lol
Post by: opt2not on April 21, 2017, 05:12:28 pm
Yes there were NES rpg's, but they were vastly improved upon in the SNES and have influenced a lot of modern games of every genre today.
But for the most part I agree with Howard. A lot of the original non-RPGs were better with a few exceptions. That's not to sell the system short though. I still love the SNES, but for different reasons I love the NES.
For more lofty experience games I prefer the SNES. But for quick skill based games I prefer the NES.
There's a lot of charm put into the NES games that was lost for SNES, but at the same time the breadth of games and advancement in sprite art and capabilities for the SNES was charming itself.
Post by: Titchgamer on April 21, 2017, 05:18:58 pm
The NES gamepad is the perfect gamepad. All gamepads are descendants of it. What you just said is blasphemy. The rectangular shape will only bother you if you have some kind of death grip on the gamepad, in which case you are doing it wrong... it lies in your cupped hands while you press buttons... you don't grip it.
The best games of the system didn't make it to the snes. Their sequels did. For the most part, the originals were better. SMB 3 is better than SMW. The nes mega mans are better than mmx. You know that open-world, no rules Zelda that just came out where you could got anywhere and do anything in virtually any order? That is what the original LOZ is like... LTTP and subsequent sequels became increasingly linear. I think Castlevania IV might be better than the originals, but it's really just a 16 bit remake of the first game. I think it's a solid argument than Super Metroid is better than the original, but then again, much like Zelda, the lack of a map and explicit instructions or directions made the original more fun imho.
And you say you want quality over quantity, well so do I, and that's why the NES is better. SMW, Super Metroid, and LTTP are quality games..... and.... yeah that's about it. The rest are excellent arcade ports, games that have since been surpassed by more modern sequels, or games that really don't live up to their sequels and/or have an equally good nes game in their anthology. Doesn't matter anyway as Nintendo would only include ~30 games.
I played the snes longer and I had a ton of fun with it, but looking back, aside from Super Mario World and a few oddball gems like that it was mostly a machine for me to play Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat II with my friends. I play those on MAME now. Looking back at the NES, after rental shops went into full swing were were playing at least one new game a week for about 8 years! Some of them were crap sure, but the bulk were really good and it was exciting to see what each game was like because they were all so different.
Also you've got to understand that these sorts of products are not for us, they are for the casuals. Sure having played LTTP and LOZ multiple times over the years you might prefer LTTP, but they person who has never played either, or hasn't played them in 25 years, they might get more enjoyment out of the original due to the harder challenge.
Anyway the discussion is rather pointless, I'll be just as excited about the SNES classic as you guys.
1) nope, the controllers were horrid. Other controllers may or may not of evolved from them but rectangular was a very poor choice.
Mega drive controllers and SNES controllers sat much better in the hands.
2) As I remember it Mario 1-3 was on the SNES in Super Mario Allstars plus others...
3) Nothing wrong with good arcade ports, like I said you cant compare a old console to mame with hindsight.
The ability to play MK and SF2 and others were one of the main reasons I got a SNES.
But yes I agree they are not for us, And I would not buy one unless very cheap but thats another matter :)
Post by: opt2not on April 21, 2017, 06:28:39 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 21, 2017, 08:23:13 pm
Mario all Stars is not the nes games. They are remakes and just aren't the same. Also the game genie codes aren't as good and 50% of the SMB games is doing crazy stuff via game genie.
There is nothing wrong with good arcade ports at the time but now most arcade games are readily accessible... not just via emulators and hacking, but just downloading then through services like xbox live, or steam, ect. It's kind of like pacman and galaga on the NES classic.... two wasted slots imho as you can get them on everything from your cell phone to frikkin google doodles. The Donkey Kong games as well, but I give them a pass as Nintendo has never really released the arcade versions on anything.
Post by: Mike A on April 21, 2017, 09:41:44 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 21, 2017, 09:56:33 pm
You know, there are a LOT of third party manufacturers with a LOT of unsold NES Classic accessories that they're stuck with. Stock up, Howard, they're gonna be 10 cents shipped soon.
:lol
I'm gonna get one of those advantage knock-offs eventually. As you said, I'm waiting for the price to drop. One of the carrying cases could be nice I guess, but this baby isn't going anywhere.... when I'm done playing it it'll go in the World of Nintendo case I'm building. Been thinking of printing to scale power gloves and zappers to throw in there as well.
Post by: Titchgamer on April 22, 2017, 02:39:06 am
Yup, the throw and overall feel of the NES gamepad is superior. The snes pad's dpad and buttons feel a little mushy. I've got them both right here (*presses buttons*) yup... the nes pad is better. The dogbone kind of sucks though. The buttons are diagonal, but slanted in the wrong direction, making it ergonomically awkward to press both buttons at once.
Mario all Stars is not the nes games. They are remakes and just aren't the same. Also the game genie codes aren't as good and 50% of the SMB games is doing crazy stuff via game genie.
There is nothing wrong with good arcade ports at the time but now most arcade games are readily accessible... not just via emulators and hacking, but just downloading then through services like xbox live, or steam, ect. It's kind of like pacman and galaga on the NES classic.... two wasted slots imho as you can get them on everything from your cell phone to frikkin google doodles. The Donkey Kong games as well, but I give them a pass as Nintendo has never really released the arcade versions on anything.
Cant really comment on the throw or feel of buttons as I no longer own originals of either but I would imagine they dont feel sharp after this amount of time lol
Not sure what you mean by slanted in the wrong direction? Its the same layout as a PS button wise and if held in the correct fashion perfectly useable to hit 2 at once.
I do remember having to bend ya thumb knuckle due to the thickness of the controller though for certain button combos but that was rare.
Mario all stars was better remakes imo, as for the game genie never used it so dont care lol
And like I keep saying you cant look at a old console and compare it in hindsight to new tech.
Sure you can emulate old arcade games, play them on mobile etc etc but at the time you could not. And that is why the SNES was as good as it was.
It had all the good points of the NES plus the advantage of playing MK etc.
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 22, 2017, 02:42:29 pm
Yes and the playstation makes some of the worst gamepads since the Atari Jaguar. They are ergonomically backwards because the original psx gamepad was just a clunky snes rip off and then when it was time to copy the n64 they just hap-hazardly threw some thumbsticks in the worst possible area. To this day I don't really game on Sony systems solely because of the gamepads. It's not rocket science really. Hold anything in two hands. See where your thumbs naturally angle up and towards the center? That is ergonomically correct. So any button or stick that is far enough away to require extension of the thumbs should angle the thumb up and towards the center. But sony put their thumbsticks, the part of the controls that need to be the most precise, down and towards the center. Your thumbs are extending the wrong way. Now the nes gamepad isn't perfect, but unlike the dogbone it doesn't require you to extend your thumb down and towards the center when covering both buttons. You of course can try to just press in between both buttons, but that isn't reliable for fast-paced gameplay.
Now people can argue that they like these back asswards gamepads sure, but they just like them. Objectively they are worse for your hands. This has nothing to do with the snes pads btw as they are ergonomically correct due to the button mappings that have any usual combined presses being mapped up and to the center (see smw, ect..) of course the fighters still suffered from it, but very few moves had you press multiple face buttons at once. For the record the nes gamepad is just ergonomically neutral (just towards the center) which is neither good nor bad. The issue with snes pads is primarily the mushy d-pad.... it's still the best one of that generation to be sure, but it doesn't compare to the nes.
It sounds like you are confused in the conversation. The past is the past. I'm arguing that the Nes Classic will have more demand than a Snes Classic because the games hold up better and would appeal more to new and casual audiences. I'm not sure what you are arguing as you keep mentioning that it mattered then.... who cares about then? We are talking about now.
Post by: Titchgamer on April 22, 2017, 03:42:16 pm
I do regular maintenance on my gamepads thank-you-very-much. The nes classic gamepad feels identical to my original nes gamepad, for example. Considering the snes pad is newer than it, yeah they aren't worn out.
Yes and the playstation makes some of the worst gamepads since the Atari Jaguar. They are ergonomically backwards because the original psx gamepad was just a clunky snes rip off and then when it was time to copy the n64 they just hap-hazardly threw some thumbsticks in the worst possible area. To this day I don't really game on Sony systems solely because of the gamepads. It's not rocket science really. Hold anything in two hands. See where your thumbs naturally angle up and towards the center? That is ergonomically correct. So any button or stick that is far enough away to require extension of the thumbs should angle the thumb up and towards the center. But sony put their thumbsticks, the part of the controls that need to be the most precise, down and towards the center. Your thumbs are extending the wrong way. Now the nes gamepad isn't perfect, but unlike the dogbone it doesn't require you to extend your thumb down and towards the center when covering both buttons. You of course can try to just press in between both buttons, but that isn't reliable for fast-paced gameplay.
Now people can argue that they like these back asswards gamepads sure, but they just like them. Objectively they are worse for your hands. This has nothing to do with the snes pads btw as they are ergonomically correct due to the button mappings that have any usual combined presses being mapped up and to the center (see smw, ect..) of course the fighters still suffered from it, but very few moves had you press multiple face buttons at once. For the record the nes gamepad is just ergonomically neutral (just towards the center) which is neither good nor bad. The issue with snes pads is primarily the mushy d-pad.... it's still the best one of that generation to be sure, but it doesn't compare to the nes.
It sounds like you are confused in the conversation. The past is the past. I'm arguing that the Nes Classic will have more demand than a Snes Classic because the games hold up better and would appeal more to new and casual audiences. I'm not sure what you are arguing as you keep mentioning that it mattered then.... who cares about then? We are talking about now.
Because I am talking about the original SNES and the Original NES not the modern incarnations.
As for the Sony controllers I like them. They are comfortable and work well.
However that being said I have used some rip off versions (pc controllers etc) which have felt wrong and generally bad.
So I can sort of see your point but the actual Sony controllers nah they are great IMO.
Post by: opt2not on April 22, 2017, 04:47:55 pm
Old games require a dpad, if your analoging old games you're for sure a hipster poseur <-- blanket statement.
But seriously, the Saturn model 2 controller is vastly superior to the SNES. If you haven't tried it before, you're in for a treat. Best d-pad aside from the NES...EVAR.
Post by: markc74 on April 22, 2017, 06:11:59 pm
When the snes came out it was so much better than everything else around at the time it was ridiculous. For that reason I'm kinda curious about the snes mini if it comes out. But the nes? Meh.
Agree about the Saturn pad tho. Awesome. Why modern consoles can't do decent joypads is a mystery to me.
Post by: pbj on April 22, 2017, 07:05:42 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 23, 2017, 07:30:21 pm
Maybe it's because I'm from the uk but no one i know had a nes. By the time they came out we'd already had c64's and spectrums for years and the nes just didn't compare against the amiga and Atari st.
Your right... they didn't compare. The NES had hundreds of fun games produced by professional companies. The non-ibm pcs had a handful of fun games produced by four guys in their basement. ;) Yes I've played these other systems.... the games just aren't as good.
Saturn is pretty good. The DS4 still kind of sucks though. At least they finally increased the size of the grips so normal human hands can hold them.
Post by: Titchgamer on April 24, 2017, 03:03:56 am
Lots of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to but then you can say the same about the NES for that.
The funny thing about the PC based games was you could quite literally buy a game out of the newspaper that you had to program yourself.
I was to young at the time for that but I know people who did it.
Also they obviously did so much more than gaming, you could work on them to!
Ya right they dont compare at all because they are totally different animals.
No different to the modern day PC vs PS4 or whatever argument.
Post by: Locke141 on April 24, 2017, 05:56:35 am
There are hundred different ways to emulated the SNES and I don't need another one. I also have two working SNES's and the actual retro console is worth way more nostalgia points that another modern clone.
Saturn controller was awesome and the best games on the Saturn hold up better the the PS1. But the PS1 library was so massive there is a lot of good stuff there worth playing. Last summer I even bought a working PS one that was the same model I had as a kid (one of the early ones with AV port in the back) even though I have a PSone (the mini) a PS2, and an early PS4 that can also play my PS1 games, just for nostalgia.
Post by: ChadTower on April 28, 2017, 09:24:15 am
Was the NES or SMS gamepad first? I can't remember for sure.
Post by: pbj on April 28, 2017, 09:33:53 am
Post by: ark_ader on April 28, 2017, 10:01:20 pm
Post by: JDFan on June 26, 2017, 02:41:31 pm
If it has Star fox, I will buy one.
Get the pre-order placed - Not only does it have Starfox but also includes the completed unreleased Starfox 2
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOT-fCjGyus#)
Post by: opt2not on June 26, 2017, 02:55:26 pm
I wonder about that Star Fox 2 release.
Isn't the version floating around the interwebs a leaked beta version that was finished off by hackers?
I wonder if Ninty officially finished the game for this release or they're just using the hacked fix.
Post by: 8BitMonk on June 26, 2017, 03:13:36 pm
https://www.destructoid.com/company-unable-to-make-enough-of-hot-ticket-item-will-totally-be-able-to-make-enough-of-2nd-hot-ticket-item-fauxclusive--445154.phtml (https://www.destructoid.com/company-unable-to-make-enough-of-hot-ticket-item-will-totally-be-able-to-make-enough-of-2nd-hot-ticket-item-fauxclusive--445154.phtml)
Post by: JDFan on June 26, 2017, 03:16:19 pm
Man, that lineup is great. But people will still hack it to load the entire library.
I wonder about that Star Fox 2 release.
Isn't the version floating around the interwebs a leaked beta version that was finished off by hackers?
I wonder if Ninty officially finished the game for this release or they're just using the hacked fix.
Accordng to this article : http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/05/a_totally_complete_version_of_star_fox_2_really_does_exist (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/05/a_totally_complete_version_of_star_fox_2_really_does_exist)
in an interview wth Q-Games boss Dylan Cuthbert,
Quote
In our interview, Cuthbert reveals that a final, totally finished version of Star Fox 2 actually exists - and that he was able to play the game during the development of Star Fox Command:
Post by: ChadTower on June 26, 2017, 03:24:58 pm
Company unable to make enough of hot ticket item will totally be able to make enough of 2nd hot ticket item (Fauxclusive)
https://www.destructoid.com/company-unable-to-make-enough-of-hot-ticket-item-will-totally-be-able-to-make-enough-of-2nd-hot-ticket-item-fauxclusive--445154.phtml (https://www.destructoid.com/company-unable-to-make-enough-of-hot-ticket-item-will-totally-be-able-to-make-enough-of-2nd-hot-ticket-item-fauxclusive--445154.phtml)
Can't say I care. I only need one.
Post by: JDFan on June 26, 2017, 03:32:56 pm
Can't say I care. I only need one.
Hopefully the retail outlets at least can fill their pre-orders !
Post by: ChadTower on June 26, 2017, 03:37:05 pm
Well, if people really want to preorder locally, do it at more than one place. Then sell the extra(s) at price to someone who couldn't get one. Best of both worlds. Or just back out on all the preorders after the first one that worked.
Post by: 8BitMonk on June 26, 2017, 03:59:59 pm
Can't say I care. I only need one.
Pretty sure you missed the point, read the article.
Post by: pbj on June 26, 2017, 04:42:40 pm
???
Post by: JDFan on June 26, 2017, 04:58:13 pm
Is someone actually taking pre-orders?
???
A couple UK vendors are -- ie. http://www.game.co.uk/en/super-nintendo-entertainment-system-classic-edition-2024185/?cm_sp=home-_-banner0-_-NintendoSNESMini (http://www.game.co.uk/en/super-nintendo-entertainment-system-classic-edition-2024185/?cm_sp=home-_-banner0-_-NintendoSNESMini)
Post by: pbj on June 26, 2017, 05:01:54 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 26, 2017, 07:08:03 pm
It might be a good idea to start buying games from the UK though... the pound/euro are weak.
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 26, 2017, 11:22:54 pm
http://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic (http://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic)
Notice something wrong with that picture?........................ Where do you plug the controllers in????
Seriously if you look closely those controller ports on the front don't actually have any holes in them and even if they did, it isn't classic controller shaped. It mentions compatibility with the classic controllers so my guess is they've made yet another controller related blunder. The controller ports are in the back, which is profoundly stupid considering how light these mini consoles are. People will be pulling them in the floor, especially if they get cheap and use short cords again.
Post by: opt2not on June 26, 2017, 11:45:46 pm
Those front ports are only impressed into the plastic, so my assumption is they got some side ports on the right.
As for supporting classic controllers, it's probably some wacky adapter dongle, because I can't imagine how two full snes ports are going to fit on the side like that.
Post by: vwalbridge on June 26, 2017, 11:47:06 pm
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--EP1AFWGX--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/xhk6ncq4ou5ygn93osn5.jpg)
Post by: opt2not on June 26, 2017, 11:56:15 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 27, 2017, 01:15:07 am
Also I sure as hell hope that isn't the actual cord length.
Man this is looking worse and worse.
Post by: ChadTower on June 27, 2017, 09:34:13 am
Chill, there is no way they're going to release a console with 12" controller cords. That's a marketing mockup photo.
Post by: thomas_surles on June 27, 2017, 01:20:26 pm
Well that's colossally stupid. I'm all about authenticity, but things have to be updated for function... if that was a transformer toy they'd call the faceplate kibble.Cords are supposed to be 2 feet longer than the nes classic ones
Also I sure as hell hope that isn't the actual cord length.
Man this is looking worse and worse.
Post by: pbj on June 27, 2017, 01:24:12 pm
Post by: ChadTower on June 27, 2017, 01:33:44 pm
Found a more recent pic of the US version.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDSmRgGWsAE4bN3.jpg)
Post by: thomas_surles on June 27, 2017, 03:50:14 pm
Found a more recent pic of the US version.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDSmRgGWsAE4bN3.jpg)
Thats more realistic
Post by: Howard_Casto on June 27, 2017, 09:07:43 pm
Post by: lilshawn on June 30, 2017, 11:39:35 am
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Post by: lilshawn on July 01, 2017, 03:17:32 am
Post by: Grasshopper on July 01, 2017, 01:17:51 pm
It's not tempting... that's the hideous super famicom styling, not the timeless US snes.
Really? The majority of people (including myself) actually prefer the Super Famicon styling. I guess there's no accounting for taste.
However, I do agree with the comments about the folding down front plate. That's a really dumb idea.
Post by: opt2not on July 01, 2017, 01:34:26 pm
Really? The majority of people (including myself) actually prefer the Super Famicon styling. I guess there's no accounting for taste.Please post the poll that shows this majority vote data. Kthx
Post by: Grasshopper on July 01, 2017, 01:44:26 pm
Really? The majority of people who have expressed an opinion on the subject, and then notified me of their opinion, actually prefer the Super Famicon styling. I guess there's no accounting for taste.
Happy now?
Post by: opt2not on July 01, 2017, 01:59:37 pm
But seriously, the SFC is just boring looking. Uninspiring af.
I'm with H_C on this one, the SNES is where it's at. Classic. "A majority of people prefer it" ::)
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 01, 2017, 02:22:43 pm
The US SNES looks better imho because it has a very unique, timeless shape and it doesn't have the garish "skittles buttons" on the gamepad. If you look at the sfc it's design is very much a product of it's time period... it screams 90's with those rounded corners and flush, "Star Trek TNG" buttons, which were all the rage on microwaves and car stereos at the time. Sometimes being dated is what makes a console look cool, like the 2600, but for me at least, 90's styling is kind of hit and miss and for this particular item I think it's a miss.
Back on topic though that flip down cover for the ports is janky as hell... as I feared. It means that you'll have to constantly unplug the gamepads when you are done if you want it to display nice. I'm a damn sucker though so I'll probably end up getting one anyway.
Post by: thomas_surles on July 01, 2017, 03:24:35 pm
Post by: JDFan on July 01, 2017, 03:52:28 pm
Back on topic though that flip down cover for the ports is janky as hell... as I feared. It means that you'll have to constantly unplug the gamepads when you are done if you want it to display nice. I'm a damn sucker though so I'll probably end up getting one anyway.
OR mod it to add a wireless connection on the inside of the unit so you can leave the cover in place !
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 01, 2017, 04:12:10 pm
Post by: JDFan on July 01, 2017, 04:20:45 pm
That's probably possible yeah. That wireless NES classic controller I ordered is still going strong. I haven't had to charge it since I bought it either.... super long battery life. I'm wondering if they sell snes pads.
Would think it's using the same connector cable so something like the Nincade should still work with it also - and since it is a pass through device you could still use the wired controls if you wanted to open the cover.
(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/d90a4/product_images/uploaded_images/nincade-promo-section.jpg?t=1494793280)
Post by: opt2not on July 21, 2017, 11:45:42 pm
Post by: JDFan on July 21, 2017, 11:48:03 pm
Preorders went live on Walmart's website. Let the feeding frenzy begin!
Just came here to tell everyopne and you beat me to it ! Got my order placed
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 22, 2017, 12:07:32 am
Post by: JDFan on July 22, 2017, 12:23:47 am
They've still got plenty of preorders, which makes me think Nintendo might have actually delivered on the promise to make more this time. I had 15 bucks in Walmart gift cards, so hell, I'm in for one.
Looks like it is done ! - Not bad for the first live US presale it actually lasted a bit over 30 minutes - guess the Scalpers didn't have a chance to set up their Bots before the link was live.
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 22, 2017, 12:28:27 am
I also realized that this is the first preorder frenzy that I've gotten since this limited stock stuff started with the Wii. I just happened to be online and got the notification. Everything's coming up Millhouse! :D
Post by: JDFan on July 22, 2017, 11:14:12 am
Walmart usually gets the most though, so it could be a bad sign. Best Buy will get a smaller amount... Gamestop will probably get a lot but they'll sell it through some b.s. bundle that nobody wants. Amazon seems to be a crap shot these days.... they get them in, but half the time it's for Prime members only and they sell out in 5 min.
I also realized that this is the first preorder frenzy that I've gotten since this limited stock stuff started with the Wii. I just happened to be online and got the notification. Everything's coming up Millhouse! :D
Depending on how large of a percentage they decided to put up for pre-orders and how many they want to keep for launch day to drive some traffic into the stores. It ssems to have sold out pretty quick but it might be they just put up a few to test how it would go and make sure their site was ready to handle it.
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2017, 04:40:15 pm
I'm wondering if they got heavy pressure from Nintendo to pull these back. Wouldn't be surprised.
It's just weird that earlier they canceled only a portion of the preorders, I thought I was in the clear. But everyone's order are now cancelled. :dunno
Post by: thomas_surles on July 26, 2017, 04:43:22 pm
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2017, 05:12:19 pm
If you guys haven't received your notice yet, make sure to check your Spam folder. A buddy of mine thought his was secured, but then found the notice in Spam.
Post by: JDFan on July 26, 2017, 05:34:22 pm
Got my pre-order cancellation notice today. Looks like Walmart is canceling all pre-orders across the board. Several news sites have been posting articles on it.
I'm wondering if they got heavy pressure from Nintendo to pull these back. Wouldn't be surprised.
It's just weird that earlier they canceled only a portion of the preorders, I thought I was in the clear. But everyone's order are now cancelled. :dunno
Still baffles me how they could take a week to decide to cancel them - you'd think it could have been done within an hour of making the mistake and everyone would have understood it was an error - but to keep them live for a week is really kind of puzzling ( and if they do relist pre-orders again before launch would really not make sense since they could have just kept the first ones live.
Only reason for cancelling after a week that makes any sense - would be if NOA has specifically said not to take pre-orders in NA and Walmart was trying to work something out with them after the mistake was made to be able to keep them and NOA would not allow that. :dunno
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2017, 06:13:49 pm
One thing I should mention, even though I received the email, I still have the order listed as -Processing- on my Walmart account page. They haven't officially canceled it *yet*.
Post by: JDFan on July 26, 2017, 09:17:21 pm
Perhaps it's a data gathering test to see what kind of numbers they can get on the pre-order? :)
One thing I should mention, even though I received the email, I still have the order listed as -Processing- on my Walmart account page. They haven't officially canceled it *yet*.
Same here - and the transaction on my debit card is still On Hold
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 26, 2017, 10:28:58 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 26, 2017, 10:33:46 pm
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2017, 11:44:22 pm
This is already starting out a gong-show.
Post by: yotsuya on July 26, 2017, 11:52:45 pm
Post by: JDFan on July 27, 2017, 12:28:04 am
This is some b.s. These aren't units, they are the promise of units. So why in the blue hell are they cancelling them? When they do get units we get the first ones... it's a no-brainer. This is like cancelling a reservation to dinner a month from now because the chef hasn't ordered the food yet.
Might be that NOA has told all retailers in North America not to do pre-orders before launch day - as that is really the only reason I can think of that would make Walmart cancel them all and take 5 days to do it (If they were talking to NOA to see if they could just honor them since it was a mistake to sell them and NOA refused to allow it)
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2017, 01:11:34 am
Think about it. Let's say it went up early. Ok so when they do have consoles available for preorder the first consoles should be allotted to those that did the early preorder. If they don't have any left for the real preorder date that's tough because they already promised them to us. Let's say that they took more preorders than they are supposed to get with their initial shipment. Ok, still no problem. You know that initial shipment? Well they already sold out. The next shipment.... it goes to fill the remaining preorders and so on. If they don't get enough shipments THEN they start cancelling. Of if they want to honor the release date and they sold too many, just look at the timestamp for the preorders and do it first come, first serve, cancelling the remaining ones. As I said, no logical reason to cancel them all. That is unless they wanted those consoles to put in some b.s. bundle that nobody wants... you know, like thinkgeek (aka gamestop) just did the other day when they "found" some remaining nes classics.
I better get a gift card or something out of this because I haven't felt this screwed over from a purchase in a long time.
Post by: JDFan on July 27, 2017, 01:21:06 am
That's irrelevant. NOA has no control over pre-orders. Actual console sales sure (you can't break release date for shipments), but not pre-orders.
Unless NOA threatened to not ship any units to any retailer that sold pre-orders --- then they would definitely have some control over pre-orders ! :dunno
But I agree - they should have just kept the orders and filled them as supply arrived -- even if it meant having fewer/none for release day at the stores.
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2017, 03:53:28 am
So brand new games section... it's frikkin huge..... and not a Nintendo sign to be found. Just 4 switch games, whatever is left of the Wii U stock and a few 3ds games in a case even though the 3ds outsells everything else by a large margin and the switch is currently selling almost as fast as the ps4 did at this point.
Oh but they put symbols on all the store signs for the illiterate, and are using a very expensive vinyl wrap to turn part of the outside of the store blue so I guess that remodel was well worth the money. You seriously can't make this stuff up.
Post by: ChadTower on July 28, 2017, 01:26:55 pm
They'll be available to people who really want one. The NES Classic was just available this week via bundles on ThinkGeek. Really crappy expensive bundles but available nonetheless.
Post by: JDFan on July 28, 2017, 01:36:24 pm
So brand new games section... it's frikkin huge..... and not a Nintendo sign to be found. Just 4 switch games, whatever is left of the Wii U stock and a few 3ds games in a case even though the 3ds outsells everything else by a large margin and the switch is currently selling almost as fast as the ps4 did at this point.
They may have just figured there was no need for a Nintendo section since there are never any nintendo consoles in stock - so why tie up the shelf space when it sits empty 90% of the time.
Post by: bigster on July 28, 2017, 01:49:18 pm
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Post by: Howard_Casto on July 28, 2017, 01:59:11 pm
They'll be available to people who really want one. The NES Classic was just available this week via bundles on ThinkGeek. Really crappy expensive bundles but available nonetheless.
Yes you'll note that I mentioned that already. :) The thing is, for me at least the MSRP is very much part of the product's features. If it goes up too much it's no longer the same product. Like the NES Classic.... at 60 bucks it's priced about right. At 100 it's a bit harder to justify, but sure I can see it if you really want it. At $150 +..... LOL nope.
The snes classic is already pushing it.... costing 20 bucks more even though we know that it's the same damn board with a different shell. Yes, they are including two controllers, but thinking back they already created these gamepads several years ago for a Japan-only club Nintendo prize.... so r&d costs don't even exist for it.... probably cost them a buck a piece to make.
Post by: opt2not on July 28, 2017, 02:19:49 pm
Ever since Gamestop bought out Thinkgeek I've boycotted them. Gamestop will get not a penny from me.
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 28, 2017, 05:36:57 pm
Post by: pbj on July 29, 2017, 12:19:40 am
:cheers:
Post by: thomas_surles on July 29, 2017, 07:42:08 am
To be fair Gamestop is just trying to save their company. Physical media is never going away, but brick and mortar stores might... especially for something as easy to ship as games. The problem is they have no clue how to save it and they are grasping at every straw within reach. Selling over-priced novelty goods definitely isn't the solution, nor is forcing your customers to buy unwanted novelty goods in a bundle with games. If they were smart, they would try to work out a deal with one of the hardware manufacturers and the publishing companies to allow people to "rent" games via download... similar to Netflix. Previous attempts have failed because it's always been some lousy third party company doing it on the pc.....consoles is where the money is at.But most of that novelty stuff ends up in the clearance bin. I got some mugs and plush things for less than 3 bucks each. So apparently nobody is buying the over priced stuff.
Post by: JDFan on July 29, 2017, 11:01:21 am
Post by: thomas_surles on July 29, 2017, 12:05:36 pm
Post by: pbj on August 22, 2017, 12:34:05 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 22, 2017, 01:59:17 pm
That being said, the pre-orders were supposed to start "sometime in August" Well it's the 22nd... somebody better get their butts in gear. My guess is it might be the 28th, which would make it roughly 30 days from the product release date... so the scalpers can put it straight on ebay. :(
Post by: JimmyU on August 22, 2017, 02:16:15 pm
Amazon supposedly let out pre-orders at 1am last night, but I looked at the listing.... if it is indeed amazon then they need to fire whoever put it up because English clearly isn't their first language and they didn't even post a picture.Best Buy had preorders that went up last night and sold out quickly. Walmart and Target had preorders around 1 PM EST and sold out within a minute.
That being said, the pre-orders were supposed to start "sometime in August" Well it's the 22nd... somebody better get their butts in gear. My guess is it might be the 28th, which would make it roughly 30 days from the product release date... so the scalpers can put it straight on ebay. :(
Post by: bootsector on August 22, 2017, 02:31:05 pm
So, Kotaku says it's the same Star Fox 2 ROM that we already have. Meh.Source?
Post by: pbj on August 22, 2017, 03:22:02 pm
So, Kotaku says it's the same Star Fox 2 ROM that we already have. Meh.Source?
Kotaku. :lol
"While that leaked version wasnt quite 100 percent finished, the version I played on SNES Classic didnt seem to differ too much, if at all. "
That's "please don't strip my press credentials" code for "exactly the same."
https://kotaku.com/we-played-snes-classic-and-it-has-rewind-now-1798161324 (https://kotaku.com/we-played-snes-classic-and-it-has-rewind-now-1798161324)
Hopefully hackers are able to strip out this updated emulator and port it over to the NES Classic. I don't care about rewind, but those overlays covering up the black would be nice. One of the few oversights on the NES Classic....
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 22, 2017, 03:26:33 pm
This is b.s. They went on sale last night approx. 15 min after I went to bed and the best buy and target stuff went on sale immediately after I ate lunch and went out for the day.
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 22, 2017, 03:30:31 pm
Post by: JDFan on August 22, 2017, 03:38:27 pm
Gamestop's website is currently down with a message that they'll be back soon. So more preorders might be inbound (or currently in progress and they crashed the site).
They took it down and are only doing in store pre-orders (but only about 6 - 12 per store - so hard to get to a store in time.) figure they want the in store traffic and the pre-order sales last more than a minute that way !
Post by: bootsector on August 22, 2017, 03:48:47 pm
If that's really the untouched leaked ROM, then that's a dick move from Nintendo. Thanks for the source reference!So, Kotaku says it's the same Star Fox 2 ROM that we already have. Meh.Source?
Kotaku.
"While that leaked version wasnt quite 100 percent finished, the version I played on SNES Classic didnt seem to differ too much, if at all. "
That's "please don't strip my press credentials" code for "exactly the same."
https://kotaku.com/we-played-snes-classic-and-it-has-rewind-now-1798161324 (https://kotaku.com/we-played-snes-classic-and-it-has-rewind-now-1798161324)
Hopefully hackers are able to strip out this updated emulator and port it over to the NES Classic. I don't care about rewind, but those overlays covering up the black would be nice. One of the few oversights on the NES Classic....
Post by: Malenko on August 22, 2017, 03:55:42 pm
Gamestop's website is currently down with a message that they'll be back soon. So more preorders might be inbound (or currently in progress and they crashed the site).
All the gamestops in a 20 mile radius are sold out, in person pre-orders only none allowed over the phone.
Post by: opt2not on August 25, 2017, 06:59:06 pm
Post by: Mike A on August 26, 2017, 08:57:52 am
Post by: JDFan on August 26, 2017, 10:44:47 am
Walmart had a run of pre-orders today at 3pm (PST) on their website. It was gone in about 4 minutes. Anyone get in on one?
I've given up even trying -- the bots have too much of an advantage since the sites take so long to refresh pages or time out on them while the bots skip past them and by the time you get to the order verification screen all of them are gone and the system is removed from your cart !! I'll also wait to see if they actually do any restocks rather than fight the crowds on launch - If I don't get one there are plenty of ways to still play the games so not going to stress over it.
Figure if I don't ever find one then I might wind up trading someone for the extra NES mini I have.
Post by: Grasshopper on August 26, 2017, 01:26:40 pm
Great I thought. So I printed out the web page and took it to my local branch to place my order early this morning. The cashier checked the details and took my name and address. I was just about to give her my card details when a message flashed up on her screen saying that none were actually available.....
Frankly, I'm getting pissed off now, and I'm very close to giving up. I can't believe I've wasted half a day of my life on this nonsense already.
The NES Classic debacle could (just about) be put down to incompetence. But this repeat performance with the SNES Classic must surely be deliberate. No one can be that incompetent. Why do they even bother with pre-orders when they only seem to drip feed a few dozen units onto the market at a time.
I'll probably end up investing a bit more time and money on my Raspberry Pi instead. Unfortunately, the NesPi cases that I've had my eye on are also out of stock.....
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 26, 2017, 01:31:21 pm
Post by: thomas_surles on August 26, 2017, 01:55:01 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 26, 2017, 04:09:29 pm
Nintendo has bungled it in the past though, so who knows. I just take extreme offense at the notion that these shortages are intentional. No business will withhold a product that people want to buy as (duh) they lose profit that way. Nintendo's main problem is they are a global company and yet all the important marketing and production decisions are still made almost exclusively in Japan. They keep making conservative batches of products because they honestly don't have a clue how well a product will do outside of their native country. If the US and the UK were allowed to make their own orders of a new product I think this problem would go away. Then again Sega went the direction of autonomous branches of their company and some regions bungled it so bad it ran them out of the hardware business.
Post by: Grasshopper on August 26, 2017, 04:52:36 pm
I just take extreme offense at the notion that these shortages are intentional.
Seriously? You're taking "extreme offense" on behalf of Nintendo, a huge multinational company that is more than capable of looking after itself? Lol, you really are a fanboy. ;D
Post by: JDFan on August 26, 2017, 05:09:10 pm
I'll probably end up investing a bit more time and money on my Raspberry Pi instead. Unfortunately, the NesPi cases that I've had my eye on are also out of stock.....
I'm doing the same - have had several people asking about building a retropie setup for a while so when I saw the Nespi case decided it might be time to get them built for Xmas this year - ordered one from Amazon for the $20 to see what they actually looked like and then order the others but then the youtube reviews hit and they all sold out before I could order more !
So I finally just used Alibaba to order 10 of them on the 1st of the month - they were also out but said they'd get more in 3 weeks if I could wait - so ordered them and they just got shipped by DHL this morning. ( they had also restocked about 1 week ago on Amazon but quickly sold out the restock also ! ) Paid $176.90 including the shipping and Paypal 5% fee - so it worked out a bit cheaper than the $20 Amazon price. - There are a couple of the companies that will sell single units but I think it ends up around $30 because of the shipping for a single unit being higher - but never hurts to send them a message and ask what the total cost would be that way.
THey are a really well designed case and it makes building a setup simple (esp. if building multiples as you can just clone the sd card and setup inside the case takes about 2 minutes and your set.)
Post by: pbj on August 26, 2017, 06:15:16 pm
Post by: Mike A on August 26, 2017, 09:45:02 pm
Disney does it all the time. They release titles for a limited time, and then put them in the "vault". Then they release them again later.
Nintendo yanked production prematurely on a hugely popular product with the NES mini. Now they are jerking you around again. Nintendo hates you.
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 26, 2017, 11:00:25 pm
Let me spell it out for you.
If a company creates an artificial shortage to ramp up demand, they have to later actually release more of the units so that they'll sell some, and you know, make money. Nintendo only made around 2 million NES Classics. Experts estimate that they could have sold 5 to 10 million easy, possibly much more. If they did it intentionally they sure are stupid as they missed out in at least 3 million more units in sales.
It's been well documented that NES Classics were never meant to be a full time product, Nintendo thought the demand would be extremely low, and they had various production issues (chip shortages, ect.) when they wanted to ramp up production. They ended the line much later than intended and the plan (apparently) was to release the snes classic for this holiday season.
Disney doesn't create artificial shortages, they create timed releases... that's a huge difference. When Aladdin "comes out of the vault" I guarantee you that anyone who wants a copy can get one at the standard retail price during that sales window no problem because, again, companies like to make money. The NES Classic and SNES Classic were also meant to be timed releases, but with the NES at least, they greatly underestimated demand.
Post by: opt2not on August 27, 2017, 12:08:31 am
I don't know if you are stupid Mike or what, and I don't like using that term so I apologize if it offends you, but you know what Forest Gump said.Whoa whoa. I don't think I've seen Howard call anyone flat out stupid before. Things ok in your life H_C?
Post by: Mike A on August 27, 2017, 02:21:04 am
Post by: Grasshopper on August 27, 2017, 07:31:48 am
I don't know if you are stupid Mike or what, and I don't like using that term so I apologize if it offends you, but you know what Forest Gump said.
Let me spell it out for you.
If a company creates an artificial shortage to ramp up demand, they have to later actually release more of the units so that they'll sell some, and you know, make money. Nintendo only made around 2 million NES Classics. Experts estimate that they could have sold 5 to 10 million easy, possibly much more. If they did it intentionally they sure are stupid as they missed out in at least 3 million more units in sales.
It's been well documented that NES Classics were never meant to be a full time product, Nintendo thought the demand would be extremely low, and they had various production issues (chip shortages, ect.) when they wanted to ramp up production. They ended the line much later than intended and the plan (apparently) was to release the snes classic for this holiday season.
Disney doesn't create artificial shortages, they create timed releases... that's a huge difference. When Aladdin "comes out of the vault" I guarantee you that anyone who wants a copy can get one at the standard retail price during that sales window no problem because, again, companies like to make money. The NES Classic and SNES Classic were also meant to be timed releases, but with the NES at least, they greatly underestimated demand.
Howard, you've inadvertently helped to make Mike's point for him. Timed releases (if we assume that's Nintendo's strategy) are just another means of creating an artificial shortage. The fact that highly motivated customers are (at least in the case of Disney) able to buy the product within the sales window is neither here nor there. It's still a form of market manipulation.
More importantly, you need to relax. This is just a silly hobby. The artificial scarcity of the NES/SNES Minis really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. OK, some of us here (including myself) are acting like it's a really important issue, but deep down we all know that it isn't.
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 27, 2017, 09:26:53 am
Gamestop's website is currently down with a message that they'll be back soon. So more preorders might be inbound (or currently in progress and they crashed the site).
All the gamestops in a 20 mile radius are sold out, in person pre-orders only none allowed over the phone.
Wait, so they force you to leave your house and go out in public?
Diabolical! ;D
Also, 500 game mini NES systems with wired controllers are popping up on ebay from china for $35 to $40 shipped.
looks like they only have AV output though.
Post by: pbj on August 27, 2017, 12:00:35 pm
Post by: JDFan on August 27, 2017, 12:40:54 pm
Catch up, nitrogen, there are 1:1 clones for $50 now
Not quite 1:1 clones -- They use a different chipset and different emulator software and are not moddable to add games - so you only get the original 30 games but do look the same.
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 27, 2017, 05:25:07 pm
Catch up, nitrogen, there are 1:1 clones for $50 now
I'm so far out of the loop on this stuff....
Post by: yotsuya on August 27, 2017, 07:08:10 pm
Yeah. It has been nice talking to you Howard. You and Ark have both called me stupid now. Maybe this isn't the right forum for me. I don't know how someone would not be offended by being called stupid. Apologizing for offending someone and then insulting them anyway is pretty sad.
Of course this is the right forum for you, brother. It's just this place is so dead now, people got to get passionate about SOMETHING.
Maybe when people start building innovative arcade projects again, we'll have better conversations...
Post by: jdbailey1206 on August 28, 2017, 10:49:01 am
Yeah. It has been nice talking to you Howard. You and Ark have both called me stupid now. Maybe this isn't the right forum for me. I don't know how someone would not be offended by being called stupid. Apologizing for offending someone and then insulting them anyway is pretty sad.
Of course this is the right forum for you, brother. It's just this place is so dead now, people got to get passionate about SOMETHING.
Maybe when people start building innovative arcade projects again, we'll have better conversations...
What? Bartops don't tickle your fancy?
Post by: pbj on August 28, 2017, 01:38:09 pm
Post by: Titchgamer on August 28, 2017, 05:10:39 pm
Until some new gadget or whatever hits the market of course!
Post by: opt2not on August 28, 2017, 06:25:31 pm
IMO markc74's The Invaders project has the freshest design as of late, and I would love to see BYOAC come back to this level of thought.
There are too many cop-out projects, and a severe lack of art imagination lately. I also check out when I see artwork opinion threads asking for critique on a collage of photochopped multi-styled character art. That, and anything with -CADE in the title.
On topic: I wonder how quickly the SNES Classic will be hacked to load up more games onto it -- we gotta get Chrono Trigger onto this thing somehow. Also how long will it take for someone to rip the Starfox 2 official version off of it. I need to update my repro cart...
(http://i.imgur.com/aQxzrmj.jpg)
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 28, 2017, 08:14:50 pm
People that are going to make really good cabs, with some exceptions of course, are guys like us who have been doing it for several years now. The only problem is that motivation wears out real quick after you learn what works and what doesn't as well as what you like and what you don't like.
I would like to throw out my old mk2 style cab and design a candy-style cab. The reason is simply that form, which is the fun part of the hobby, really takes a backseat to function once you learn that the novelty of form wears off real quick. I've had arcade and arcade style cabinets in my home for nearly 20 years now..... so I'm over that. What I need is something that plays well and doesn't take up a lot of room.
So you've got noobs that don't know what they are doing and old timers like me, that either don't care about making something flashy or have moved on to collecting real cabinets, ect.
Post by: Malenko on August 29, 2017, 10:11:58 am
What I need is something that plays well and doesn't take up a lot of room.
OG XBOX with CoinOps
Post by: pbj on August 29, 2017, 12:21:32 pm
What I need is something that plays well and doesn't take up a lot of room.
OG XBOX with CoinOps
This is what I play on 99% of my playing time. It doesn't handle MK2 well but otherwise I'm content with it.
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 29, 2017, 12:26:02 pm
Post by: Malenko on August 29, 2017, 12:27:48 pm
This is what I play on 99% of my playing time. It doesn't handle MK2 well but otherwise I'm content with it.I have the MKII from Shaolin Monks added to the dashboard menu when I need to scratch that itch.
Eh I still want arcade controls.hack an xbox controller into an arcade stick.
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 29, 2017, 12:34:05 pm
Post by: pbj on August 29, 2017, 12:38:47 pm
I have the MKII from Shaolin Monks added to the dashboard menu when I need to scratch that itch.
Go on..... Is that the weird version in Coin Ops or something else?
Post by: Malenko on August 29, 2017, 09:04:27 pm
Well if you do that then you need the room to store arcade sticks.
meh, a single stick can sit right on topof the xbox /shrug
I have the MKII from Shaolin Monks added to the dashboard menu when I need to scratch that itch.
Go on..... Is that the weird version in Coin Ops or something else?
It wasnt part of my coinops but its the emulated MKII that is "hidden" in Shaolin Monks. If yours has sound and doesnt stutter, its likely the same thing.
Post by: Grasshopper on September 12, 2017, 03:37:00 pm
https://www.retrogamer.net/blog_post/super-play-returns-with-retro-gamer-172-2/ (https://www.retrogamer.net/blog_post/super-play-returns-with-retro-gamer-172-2/)
Super Play was apparently a dedicated Super Nintendo magazine that was published for a few years in the nineties. The new one-off edition is dedicated to the SNES Mini, and includes reviews of all the 21 games that are included with the system.
I bought a copy earlier today, and I have to say it's pretty damn good.
Post by: pbj on September 12, 2017, 04:36:05 pm
It wasnt part of my coinops but its the emulated MKII that is "hidden" in Shaolin Monks. If yours has sound and doesnt stutter, its likely the same thing.
So the one in CoinOps has a very simplistic menu that lets you pick MK2 or MK3. Within MK2, there's an option menu to reconfigure controls but the buttons don't do anything.
The buttons on my panel map out like this:
HP HK Block
LP LK
It's a fairly good port otherwise.
Post by: pbj on September 26, 2017, 11:00:06 pm
Will probably still buy.
:cheers:
Post by: opt2not on September 26, 2017, 11:46:58 pm
So far, hes the list Im going to try to get on this thing. I need more RPG's, but I haven't given them much thought:
Ninja Gaiden Trilogy
U.N Squadron
TMNT Tournament Fighters
TMNT Turtles in Time
FF 5 and 6
Final Fight 1, 2 and 3. (3 is so good!)
DK Country 2 and 3
Super R-type (I don't know why they didn't add this, it was a launch title!)
R-Type III: The Third Lightning
Uniracers
The Lost Vikings
Demon's Crest
Zombie Ate my Neighbors
Wild Guns
Knights of the Round
Secret of Evermore
Top Gear 3000
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 27, 2017, 12:01:55 am
I'm gonna try for one Friday, but I'm not too hopeful.
Post by: opt2not on September 27, 2017, 04:18:49 pm
Everything I've read so far seems like shill-paid or half-assed reviews.
Since the space is limited, a smart person would just put that games on there that can't be ran on a flash cart and are difficult to emulate properly. You've got Yoshi's island and the two Star Foxes on there already, just add the other FX games and the handful of special chip games that aren't already on there and you are done.The only other FX games worth it are Stunt Race FX, and maybe Vortex (questionable)? Though Stunt Race is only really playable if it's overclocked.
The classic already has Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars out of the SA-1 games that are worth the time. I guess the Kirby games are worth it.
Other than that there's Star Ocean (S-DD1), which is playable on flashcart now through a hack conversion.
3 or 4 decent titles that aren't playable on a flashcart won't fill up the storage, so might as well fill the rest of the space with the bangers.
Post by: pbj on September 27, 2017, 04:29:48 pm
From what Ive read its practically the same hardware. Im betting the same storage space too, which means well have to be choosy with the amount of games we can copy to it.
Motherboard is virtually identical. Same 512MB storage chip, so about 300MB available. Can't compress the ROMs on the native emulation...
But if we can get both emulations going, you could probably do a complete NES ROM set and quite a few SNES....
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 27, 2017, 08:43:38 pm
Anyone read any honest reviews of this thing yet? Is so, can you please link 'em?
Everything I've read so far seems like shill-paid or half-assed reviews.
What is there to review? It's the nes classic, only now snes. It has virtually the same interface only now with a (useless imho) rewind function and a few nifty borders. It's Nintendo so I'm sure the emulation is good. The only thing I've noticed of note in videos is the fact that star fox looks slighty better to me.... maybe the 3d is de-interlaced?
The cords are 5 feet long, which is adequate, but a tad bit short.
Post by: pbj on September 27, 2017, 11:08:22 pm
Others have successfully flashed th SNES kernel onto the NES. So worst case I'm buying another Famicom.
Post by: opt2not on September 27, 2017, 11:36:54 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 28, 2017, 12:23:25 am
The only complaint I've been able to come up with, and it's a stretch, is that if you are using save states extensively (saving every few minutes in a game ect.) and you don't pay attention to what you are doing it's fairly easy to accidentally load up an older save when in the save menu. Also the thing about having to press the reset button is a pain, but a quick re-flash of the kernel will allow you to map it to a key combo on the gamepad.
Hey if we can't get ahold of them, somebody make a 3d model of a snes case for the nes/famicom classic and I'll print us out a few. I've been ashamed of my initial results, but I'm finally getting pretty good at this 3d printing business. The trick seems to be figuring out the best way to lay out the part on the bed to avoid a lot of hard to remove supports.
Post by: pbj on September 28, 2017, 09:59:38 am
Maybe we'll get luckier this round.
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 28, 2017, 10:46:37 pm
Post by: thomas_surles on September 28, 2017, 11:54:00 pm
Post by: opt2not on September 29, 2017, 12:20:46 am
Post by: slickam on September 29, 2017, 12:34:41 am
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2017, 12:51:32 am
No pics unfortunately... got y'alls message after I left the store.
Post by: EssexMame on September 29, 2017, 05:06:44 am
I know it is all deliberate - hold back stock to keep interest up and discussions & articles on it do the marketing for them - but isn't that all a bit tired and dated now? All it does is encourage people not interested in the console to buy it anyway and sell it on fleaBay for inflated prices.
I'd love that to fail, just once, because a company has plenty of stock leaving the 2nd hand market prices to crash. If people bought a console and then couldn't sell it for the retail price they'd not do it next time and those who wanted the console next time would get them (i.e. I'd have a chance on the N64 classic mini!)
Preaching to the converted I know, but it's so infuriating. I don't think I'll bother (I've got a SNES anyway, just not all the games I'd want and the fleaBay market for them is over-inflated too!). So, Nintendo, you've lost at least one sale because of your outdated supply and marketing strategy. Oh, and I won't be buying a Switch either now. So Ner!
Post by: pbj on September 29, 2017, 09:04:02 am
Yeah, 50+ people in line at 7:45am. Didn't even get out of my car.
:lol
Post by: pbj on September 29, 2017, 09:44:33 am
:cheers:
Post by: smass on September 29, 2017, 11:29:33 am
I am pretty sure these are going to be easier to come by than the nes classic - but we will see.
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2017, 12:36:05 pm
Brickseek wasn't confirming any stock at the Astrodome Target, but it's on my way in anyway so why not.
Yeah, 50+ people in line at 7:45am. Didn't even get out of my car.
:lol
You should have went. Most larger cities got 200+ per store.
Post by: Malenko on September 29, 2017, 01:14:37 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2017, 01:32:12 pm
Post by: pbj on September 29, 2017, 01:44:51 pm
Ah well, if Nintendo keeps pumping out stock like this these things are going to be old news in a week.
I got bored of Star Fox 2 in 5 minutes. I know programmers love telling everyone how the company "pulled the plug when it was almost ready, man!" but I've yet to play a game that wasn't unreleased for good reason....
Post by: bigster on September 29, 2017, 02:15:18 pm
I want the 8bitdo snes controller. Got a cheap receiver on prime day(I bought on the assumption it would be same.hardware as nes) So will pick up the controller when it goes on sale.
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Post by: lilshawn on September 29, 2017, 02:25:12 pm
I know programmers love telling everyone how the company "pulled the plug when it was almost ready, man!" but I've yet to play a game that wasn't unreleased for good reason....
actually in this instance, the Nintendo 64 was well on it's way out the door and set to be released in the following quarter. They would have had to eat the bill for a bunch of brand new more powerful FX chips to build carts for the SNES... essentially for a system that would VERY soon be replaced with a much more powerful system.
It came to be at the wrong time is all... had it been a half year earlier, it probably would have shipped.
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2017, 02:38:24 pm
So I fired it up for a few minutes (all the time I had). Pretty much what you would expect except for the screen. For whatever reason the games don't fill the screen.... there is a slight border on the top and bottom of the games. It's even worse in Star Fox where it's a letterboxed game. It's not a huge border, but I hope the hackers can fix it. Two of the bezels are pretty neat.... they use the colors on the screen to tint the bezel creating a poor man's ambi-light. One is just a simple glow instead of graphics and I kind of like it. The rewind function.... is there.... not super impressive.
I think for now I'm back on the 2ds playing Samus Returns until the hackers get ahold of this bad boy.
Post by: pbj on September 29, 2017, 04:01:23 pm
Post by: opt2not on September 29, 2017, 04:21:04 pm
In the leaked rom you could lock onto the enemy ship during those little mini-skirmishes.
Overall I like the game. The only thing I don't like about Starfox 2 is that it's way too easy. If the lock-on is removed this would help make it more difficult.
Post by: JDFan on September 29, 2017, 04:23:14 pm
I'm down that way in a couple hours so I'll check for ya man, but this late I doubt they'll still have any. Word on the street is you shouldn't even bother with gamestop and the other stores because they got extremely limited quantities. For whatever reason Walmart seems to be getting the big shipments. I've heard some big numbers from target as well.
BEst Buy's around here got good numbers also -- They sent an E-mail yesterday saying they'd hand out tickets at 7am. - was up at 6:30 so went over to see the line - had about 45 in line so I went ahead and waited -- This store decided to do it their way (rather than the way corporate told them to !!) and waited to hand out tickets till 9 am. and you had to be in line at 10 when the store opened rather than having to come back by 1pm. - but at least they had 100+ units, so all 80 or so that arrived before opening got 1. Would have been simpler if they had passed out the tickets like they were supposed at 7 and let us come back before 1pm. to pick it up - but can't complain too much. ( though a few that had to be at work at 8:30 and had to leave probably will ! :angry: )
Post by: opt2not on September 29, 2017, 05:21:08 pm
I think for now I'm back on the 2ds playing Samus Returns until the hackers get ahold of this bad boy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/72opgz/just_confirmed_that_hakchi2_can_dumpwrite_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/72opgz/just_confirmed_that_hakchi2_can_dumpwrite_the/)
Quote
As a nice surprise, it looks like Nintendo fully anticipated this, and left a note for tinkerers within the NAND! Hidden within the /etc directory is a file simply named "nineties", which contains:
Enjoy this Mini,
Disconnect from the present, and
Go back to the nineties.
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 29, 2017, 09:56:56 pm
I think for now I'm back on the 2ds playing Samus Returns until the hackers get ahold of this bad boy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/72opgz/just_confirmed_that_hakchi2_can_dumpwrite_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/72opgz/just_confirmed_that_hakchi2_can_dumpwrite_the/)QuoteAs a nice surprise, it looks like Nintendo fully anticipated this, and left a note for tinkerers within the NAND! Hidden within the /etc directory is a file simply named "nineties", which contains:
Enjoy this Mini,
Disconnect from the present, and
Go back to the nineties.
Yeah I already knew about that. I mean some actual mods like mapping the home key, adding roms, ect....
Post by: Malenko on September 29, 2017, 10:17:35 pm
Post by: opt2not on September 29, 2017, 11:38:29 pm
Post by: elvis on September 29, 2017, 11:41:53 pm
For whatever reason the games don't fill the screen.... there is a slight border on the top and bottom of the games.Standard trick of that era to lower the rendered resolution and get the framerates up. If you were a 386 owner, you played Doom in a tiny window too, unlike those rich kid 486 owners who got to play full screen.
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 30, 2017, 12:04:30 am
Post by: JDFan on September 30, 2017, 11:20:27 am
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qsemxf2sKg#)
Post by: Grasshopper on September 30, 2017, 11:40:47 am
From a UK perspective, it seems to me Nintendo have made as much of a mess of this as with the mini NES. Pre-orders gone as soon as they become available, nothing available on the day online or in store. No word on further stock/dates.
I know it is all deliberate - hold back stock to keep interest up and discussions & articles on it do the marketing for them - but isn't that all a bit tired and dated now? All it does is encourage people not interested in the console to buy it anyway and sell it on fleaBay for inflated prices.
I'd love that to fail, just once, because a company has plenty of stock leaving the 2nd hand market prices to crash. If people bought a console and then couldn't sell it for the retail price they'd not do it next time and those who wanted the console next time would get them (i.e. I'd have a chance on the N64 classic mini!)
Preaching to the converted I know, but it's so infuriating. I don't think I'll bother (I've got a SNES anyway, just not all the games I'd want and the fleaBay market for them is over-inflated too!). So, Nintendo, you've lost at least one sale because of your outdated supply and marketing strategy. Oh, and I won't be buying a Switch either now. So Ner!
Indeed. It's still early days. But so far, it's been as much of a debacle as the NES Classic launch.
One thing's for sure, I won't be paying a penny above the recommended retail price. If the fanboys want to pay crazy prices to the scalpers to get hold of one, then good luck to them. But personally, I think that even at the standard ฃ70, the SNES Classic is a little overpriced for what it is.
Post by: Grasshopper on September 30, 2017, 11:46:20 am
Pretty much what you would expect except for the screen. For whatever reason the games don't fill the screen.... there is a slight border on the top and bottom of the games.
Yeah, I noticed that when I watched one of the online reviews. I assumed it was a "feature" that could be switched off, but apparently not. It's not quite a deal-breaker, but annoying nevertheless.
I wonder whether the NES Classic also had small borders above and below the game, but no one noticed because the borders are black.
Post by: pbj on September 30, 2017, 12:09:22 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 30, 2017, 03:53:19 pm
Post by: bigster on October 04, 2017, 06:52:05 am
Thought y'all would like this one.
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Post by: thomas_surles on October 04, 2017, 07:53:25 am
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZobb2FAFiu/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BZobb2FAFiu/)Accurate.
Thought y'all would like this one.
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Now can someone load doom on it and confirm other super fx games do work? Also curious about megaman x2 and x3
Post by: knave on October 04, 2017, 10:46:22 am
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZobb2FAFiu/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BZobb2FAFiu/)
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Post by: Howard_Casto on October 04, 2017, 12:14:17 pm
Post by: thomas_surles on October 04, 2017, 01:28:49 pm
Thomas: It looks like the snes classic is using the same emulator the VC does. X2 and X3 are already confirmed to work and most likely everything else will work as well. This is why I bought the thing.... as a supplement to my super everdrive. Who the hell am I kidding though... this thing is waaay more convenient than using my snes and all the gear required to do rgb out.Right on.
Post by: Osirus23 on October 04, 2017, 03:58:08 pm
Post by: thomas_surles on October 04, 2017, 06:13:50 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 04, 2017, 07:44:59 pm
Post by: thomas_surles on October 05, 2017, 08:05:59 am
It's the difference between having to rest the console on your belly (NES) or having to put it in the floor so you have a little bit more slack(SNES). Another two feet would have been great, but they are adequate this time.I believe this is why bean bag chairs and after market wireless controllers were invented.
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 08, 2017, 02:41:52 pm
Everybody that has a snes classic should go ahead and install the mod if only for the mod to return to the home menu with a key combo instead of having to press reset. For those that didn't get a NES classic and are new to the app, don't worry, it's pretty idiot proof.
Post by: Malenko on October 08, 2017, 02:46:42 pm
Post by: pbj on October 08, 2017, 03:03:29 pm
I'm waiting for the ability to flash snes onto the Nes..... Soon I hope.
Post by: JDFan on October 08, 2017, 03:30:36 pm
I've read that the snes actually shipped with reset built in. Abxylr start select at the same time....
I think that actually just resets the game you are in doesn't return to the menu system !
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 08, 2017, 04:06:44 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 09, 2017, 02:24:29 am
https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1823 (https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1823)
Somebody got the canoe (snes classic) emulator running on a stock raspberry pi. They don't have the gui running yet, but I'm sure that's coming. This is decidedly a good thing because canoe is really good at emulating super fx games. Some of the command line options are interesting as well. Apparently you can overclock the virtual super fx chip, which might be worth playing with as the frame rates in those games are pretty bad. I might have to try some custom command lines on my snes classic and see what happens.
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 09, 2017, 02:30:33 am
Post by: Grasshopper on October 09, 2017, 03:59:42 am
It finally happened:
https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1823 (https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1823)
Somebody got the canoe (snes classic) emulator running on a stock raspberry pi. They don't have the gui running yet, but I'm sure that's coming. This is decidedly a good thing because canoe is really good at emulating super fx games. Some of the command line options are interesting as well. Apparently you can overclock the virtual super fx chip, which might be worth playing with as the frame rates in those games are pretty bad. I might have to try some custom command lines on my snes classic and see what happens.
That's great news, although personally I'm more interested in the GUI.
Can we now say unequivocally that RPis are awesome? ;D
Post by: Titchgamer on October 09, 2017, 04:14:30 am
It finally happened:
https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1823 (https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1823)
Somebody got the canoe (snes classic) emulator running on a stock raspberry pi. They don't have the gui running yet, but I'm sure that's coming. This is decidedly a good thing because canoe is really good at emulating super fx games. Some of the command line options are interesting as well. Apparently you can overclock the virtual super fx chip, which might be worth playing with as the frame rates in those games are pretty bad. I might have to try some custom command lines on my snes classic and see what happens.
That's great news, although personally I'm more interested in the GUI.
Can we now say unequivocally that RPis are awesome? ;D
Been over this already...
They are awesome! LOL
Post by: jmike on October 09, 2017, 05:55:02 am
Still haven't opened my mini snes. :dunno
:cheers:
Post by: opt2not on October 09, 2017, 03:34:44 pm
That's great news, although personally I'm more interested in the GUI.Here you go. (https://youtu.be/GHIuF5nDogg) Not exactly the same, but pretty close.
Apparently you can overclock the virtual super fx chip, which might be worth playing with as the frame rates in those games are pretty bad.It works wonders for Starfox 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIqsk8uUtQ) and 2, but unfortunately it messes up Yoshi's Island's audio. Same with Stunt Race FX's, along with menu text flickering. But I read if you overclock Stunt Race to 1.25 then it's a good balance to get the boost and stop the audio and menu issues.
I finally got my pre-ordered SNES classic this weekend. I wasn't fortunate to get the NES classic, so this was my first experience with it. I love it. First the controllers really surprised me. Controllers are the first thing I always look at with extreme prejudice with any system I get, and especially any re-manufactured clones of classic controllers. The SNES classic's controllers feel spot on! The only difference I could tell is with the actual physical texture of the plastic being a bit more rough, grippy, similar to the Xbone controllers but not so rubber feeling. The buttons and d-pad feels good and quite honestly, I think I enjoy them more than my originals now. :o
Emulation on this is pretty good too. I was expecting Pi-like input lag (i know some people don't experience lag with their pi's but I'm hyper sensitive to it and I definitely feel it on my dust-collecting pi), but I was pleasantly surprised that the canoe emulator feels more responsive than I've experienced with emulation.
Love the menu, love the interface and demo mode when the system is idle. The save state and rewind feature is a nice bonus.
Overall I'm really happy with this, and it's going to be my travel system when I visit family. I used to lug around an original system with an upscaler device for family holiday time, which was always a pain in the ass to pack because I'm freaked out about damaging my gear. But now I can just take this with me it takes up minimal packing space.
Post by: pbj on October 09, 2017, 03:40:28 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 09, 2017, 03:48:26 pm
Opt2Not: We told you man... it's a step above what we are all used to in regards to emulation on a arm system.
I'm wondering if they can throw canoe on the Nes Classic as an add-on module and vice-versa. That way people that don't have both can experience the best emulation on one system.
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 09, 2017, 03:54:19 pm
(https://www.gamelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SNES-Kiosk.jpg)
Post by: Grasshopper on October 09, 2017, 04:00:49 pm
That's great news, although personally I'm more interested in the GUI.Here you go. (https://youtu.be/GHIuF5nDogg) Not exactly the same, but pretty close.
Indeed. I'm already using Ruckage's NES Classic theme on my Pi, and his SNES Classic theme potentially looks even better. I'll definitely be trying it out once it's finished.
However, one small advantage the NES/SNES Classics have over Retropie is that the front ends and the emulators are tightly integrated. So, for example, the NES/SNS Classic front end given you a graphical representation of the save states, and the slots they're saved to.
The Retropie emulators also have save states (and rewind for that matter) but they're accessed by hot keys from within the emulator. You get used to it, but it's not quite as slick as the NES/SNES Classic approach.
Post by: pbj on October 09, 2017, 04:02:54 pm
Someone on reddit suggested making a mini kiosk to go with the Snes Classic. Anyone up to the task?
Those were the first flat front CRTs I had ever seen. Remembered thinking they looked cool at the time. Now... eh....
Post by: Titchgamer on October 09, 2017, 04:48:05 pm
Someone on reddit suggested making a mini kiosk to go with the Snes Classic. Anyone up to the task?
(https://www.gamelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/SNES-Kiosk.jpg)
That is a freaking cool idea!
Post by: pbj on October 13, 2017, 03:17:15 pm
The image borders are a nice touch. The controller flap is stupid looking.
Otherwise the same user experience as the NES Classic.
:cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 13, 2017, 05:44:11 pm
Post by: opt2not on October 13, 2017, 05:50:36 pm
Really cool feature.
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 13, 2017, 06:00:31 pm
Speaking of which.... a cool mod would be to display a QR code linking to the selected game's manual when the load/save screen is opened.
Post by: JDFan on October 19, 2017, 04:24:23 pm
Post by: gamepimp on October 19, 2017, 05:17:39 pm
Just received the UK version I traded my Backup NES from last year for in the mail today. :cheers:
Wow! I'm glad I'm not the only one who has really gotten into these little guys. I picked up a Famicom Mini from Amazon last week. I found the US Super NES mini at Target on Saturday. And then the EU Super NES mini I ordered from Amazon Spain a few weeks ago arrived yesterday. Gonna have to wait until next year to get the original NES mini as I have no desire to pay > $200 for one now. Debating whether I should pick up the Super Famicom mini when they're plentiful in Japan and reasonable on Amazon. The EU SNES looks identical and I'm sure the wife would say buying the Super Fami is a bit excessive. Like buying the other 4 isn't. LOL! :laugh2:
On the plus side, I've only overpaid for the Famicom so far. It was like $104 which isn't terrible. It would probably have been that much if I bought it from someone in Japan and had it shipped. Both Super NES units were actual price.
Post by: JDFan on October 19, 2017, 05:26:54 pm
Just received the UK version I traded my Backup NES from last year for in the mail today. :cheers:
Wow! I'm glad I'm not the only one who has really gotten into these little guys. I picked up a Famicom Mini from Amazon last week. I found the US Super NES mini at Target on Saturday. And then the EU Super NES mini I ordered from Amazon Spain a few weeks ago arrived yesterday. Gonna have to wait until next year to get the original NES mini as I have no desire to pay > $200 for one now. Debating whether I should pick up the Super Famicom mini when they're plentiful in Japan and reasonable on Amazon. The EU SNES looks identical and I'm sure the wife would say buying the Super Fami is a bit excessive. Like buying the other 4 isn't. LOL! :laugh2:
On the plus side, I've only overpaid for the Famicom so far. It was like $104 which isn't terrible. It would probably have been that much if I bought it from someone in Japan and had it shipped. Both Super NES units were actual price.
Yeah they are a bit addictive -- I bought 2 of the NES's last year at retail - then this year have picked up 2 of the SNES's also at retail -- then on reddit saw a listing wanting to trade a UK version for a NES so decided to trade the backup NES for it ( so it only cost the $10 shipping plus the $59 for the NES !) - thinking I might get the JP version ( put an order in on Amazon.jp but the listing is actually for those that pre-ordered and got cancelled on so not sure if it will survive or get cancelled until the 26th when it is supposed to ship so will see but at least the account is there if it does get cancelled for when they restock - the pre-order set it is for was only $97 shipped including the AC adapter and card set so figured it was worth a try ! )
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2017, 05:31:56 pm
Yeah they are a bit addictive -- I bought 2 of the NES's last year at retail
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Post by: JDFan on October 19, 2017, 05:50:57 pm
Yeah they are a bit addictive -- I bought 2 of the NES's last year at retail
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/7e3f4e2b06202e195bc031cf1553edeb.jpg)
Only wanted a second controller but couldn't find one anywhere for less than $40 - $50 so when I saw the NES sitting in walmarts display case after they received the 1 unit restock - I just had to go ahead and buy it !! :laugh2:
Post by: gamepimp on October 19, 2017, 06:19:49 pm
https://m.imgur.com/a/RhrRG (https://m.imgur.com/a/RhrRG)
Post by: Osirus23 on October 20, 2017, 04:25:22 pm
I forgot the NES minis only come with a single controller. The Famicom minis have two, but thats because they squeeze into slots on the side of the main unit. Honestly theyre so small though that they probably equal one US controller if u combined them together. Lol! They are hardwired to the console so I am planning on modding it with controller extensions so I can use other controllers with it.
https://m.imgur.com/a/RhrRG (https://m.imgur.com/a/RhrRG)
I didn't know Famicom controllers were that much smaller. I've never seen one in person.
Post by: gamepimp on October 25, 2017, 08:33:11 am
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 25, 2017, 09:08:58 pm
Post by: gamepimp on October 25, 2017, 09:45:30 pm
I suppose we all have our areas of intense interest. I know some guys that can pull out majorly obscure sports facts at a moments notice. Im not that big on sports and am always amazed by this. Theyre like walking encyclopedias! Of course you tend to find way more people to discuss sports with than video games. Thats what keeps me coming back to this place. :cheers:
Post by: pbj on October 25, 2017, 11:14:24 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 26, 2017, 02:52:42 am
Post by: pbj on October 26, 2017, 08:20:45 am
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 26, 2017, 02:30:19 pm
Post by: yotsuya on October 26, 2017, 03:10:50 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 26, 2017, 04:30:58 pm
I'm with Vince McMahon on this one... time outs and breaks between plays are for babies.... just play the game in an hour or less and then it is acceptable entertainment. #RIPXFL
Post by: yotsuya on October 26, 2017, 04:39:53 pm
The problem with the sports is the time sink. 3-4 hours of watching a bunch or men wrassle each other to get a ball to one end of a field is a bit much. Anyone is welcome to waste their time, but when it's wasting MY time in the process is when I take issue.
I'm with Vince McMahon on this one... time outs and breaks between plays are for babies.... just play the game in an hour or less and then it is acceptable entertainment. #RIPXFL
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Post by: opt2not on October 26, 2017, 05:03:56 pm
I've always believed a diversity of interests also paired along easily with a diversity of friendships. It's all part of my goal of becoming a renaissance man.
These days I follow Football and Hockey. Football mainly because of Fantasy Leagues, everything is more enjoyable when there's money and competition involved. :D
Post by: pbj on October 26, 2017, 05:42:51 pm
Post by: opt2not on October 26, 2017, 06:11:28 pm
But yeah, the stereotype for Asian kids is piano or violin. Cello is another option.
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 27, 2017, 12:03:42 am
Well I am half-white, so I did have an option of learning guitar.
You only get to play guitar while white if you have a mullet and/or a sweet mustache. You also have to learn Skynard. :)
I'm very much a renaissance man, people who know me have called me that on a few occasions. Having a lot of interests isn't the same as forcing yourself to do things that you don't like. I pride myself in regards to the fact that I don't like things that "everyone" likes just for the sake of fitting in. Most people are stupid, so popularity doesn't always equate to quality. I mean slavery used to be quite popular.... then some people wised up.
Post by: opt2not on October 27, 2017, 12:45:23 am
I wish I were a renaissance man, I definitely strive for it, but like you I tend to shy away from things I dont like. Im getting better though, and will give a thing a second or third try.
As for popularity, dont confuse that with diversity. Having a select few quality friends from different backgrounds and interests is greater than having a lot of random friends.
Anyway, Mario Odyssey comes out tomorrow, which means my SNESC is going to be collecting dust for a little while.
Post by: thomas_surles on October 28, 2017, 09:04:06 am
Post by: JDFan on October 28, 2017, 10:52:59 am
Im looking forward to oddysey. I pre ordered it but didnt forsee being broke at release. Does gamestop still honor the pre order (the $5 i already paid) a week after release?
From Gamestop :
"Your Home store will hold the product for the first 48 hours after it releases. After 48 hours, the product will be available for another guest to purchase and may no longer be available."
Post by: thomas_surles on October 28, 2017, 12:02:16 pm
But if they do have it next week do i still get $5 off or is that gone?Im looking forward to oddysey. I pre ordered it but didnt forsee being broke at release. Does gamestop still honor the pre order (the $5 i already paid) a week after release?
From Gamestop :
"Your Home store will hold the product for the first 48 hours after it releases. After 48 hours, the product will be available for another guest to purchase and may no longer be available."
Post by: jmike on October 28, 2017, 04:42:43 pm
Post by: yotsuya on October 28, 2017, 06:14:32 pm
Well I am half-white, so I did have an option of learning guitar.
You only get to play guitar while white if you have a mullet and/or a sweet mustache. You also have to learn Skynard. :)
I'm very much a renaissance man, people who know me have called me that on a few occasions. Having a lot of interests isn't the same as forcing yourself to do things that you don't like. I pride myself in regards to the fact that I don't like things that "everyone" likes just for the sake of fitting in. Most people are stupid, so popularity doesn't always equate to quality. I mean slavery used to be quite popular.... then some people wised up.
Equating liking sports to slavery? Thats an X2ian logic leap if I ever saw one. :cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 28, 2017, 07:05:11 pm
Post by: yotsuya on October 28, 2017, 07:12:13 pm
You thinking that I equated sports to slavery... that's the X2 logic. You need to read what I say and stop making correlations where none exist.
This whole discussion about liking things started with sports. This is where it ended up.
But enough of that. Just stick with the SNES talk, its more relevant.
Post by: Grasshopper on November 08, 2017, 07:25:40 am
I just speculatively placed an order with Amazon France within the two minute window they were available, and to my surprise, my order appears to have been accepted!
It only cost ฃ73.66 including shipping. That's only a few pounds more than Nintendo's official price of ฃ69.99 (which all sellers apart from Nintendo are ignoring anyway).
I'm now waiting nervously to see whether Amazon France do a Walmart on me and tell me they made a "mistake" .....
Post by: pbj on November 08, 2017, 09:59:51 am
My friend grabbed 3 at a Wal-Mart 2 weeks ago. Been harassing me to hack them ever since. :lol
Post by: thomas_surles on November 08, 2017, 01:42:57 pm
Not sure what leverage Target is possibly using on these sites, but all of them have one by one quit tracking SNES inventory.Some people need to learn how to use google and youtube
My friend grabbed 3 at a Wal-Mart 2 weeks ago. Been harassing me to hack them ever since. :lol
Post by: Howard_Casto on November 08, 2017, 02:04:20 pm
Post by: pbj on November 08, 2017, 02:19:31 pm
Post by: opt2not on November 08, 2017, 04:55:53 pm
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2017, 11:15:05 am
Anyone?
:'(
Post by: Malenko on November 15, 2017, 12:14:34 pm
So anyone going to buy a Genesis Flashback?
Anyone?
:'(
Does it run Gauntlet Legends?
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2017, 12:24:48 pm
Post by: JimmyU on November 15, 2017, 01:39:29 pm
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2017, 02:02:48 pm
SNES went out of stock in less than 10 seconds on the Wal-Mart website today. :lol Click-click-click still wasn't fast enough to "pre-order" it.
Post by: gamepimp on November 15, 2017, 02:37:23 pm
In regards to the Genesis Flashback, I was really interested in that until I saw a video review on it. Apparently the emulation sucks big time. :( I have a model 1 Genesis and an Everdrive, so I'm not too distraught about it. I would have liked to have a HDMI option for the Genesis, but at least I have a RGB cable for my system that should still give me decent video.
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2017, 04:24:29 pm
Post by: JimmyU on November 15, 2017, 05:00:24 pm
Well, the problem is the first review Genesis units were crap, and not many people have reviewed the revised one. I really wish someone would crack one open so we could see if they were hackable. It's a nice game list but missing Streets of Rage 1-3 is borderline unforgivable.I don't think they're hackable or at least nobody has tried. They use barrel style power connectors instead of micro-usb for power so it's not easy to hook up to a computer. A quick google search shows nothing coming up for "Genesis Flashback mod" or "Genesis Flashback hack."
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2017, 05:11:38 pm
(http://api.ning.com/files/IwLlOd3kUEdp9plQCpRalMlv-2vJtGkzXQ08q9gTutpzJxlks3mTEY9IgNsaHFVxM-GJUeaX1Try2zQoSN1UWGTkFBFr*2Vq/animepathead.gif)
Post by: gamepimp on November 15, 2017, 05:18:59 pm
Post by: pbj on November 15, 2017, 05:26:23 pm
Post by: opt2not on November 15, 2017, 05:27:32 pm
Post by: gamepimp on November 15, 2017, 05:29:56 pm
Post by: jmike on November 16, 2017, 07:42:48 am
Post by: Malenko on November 16, 2017, 01:29:30 pm
Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxAjQ_7QHmg#)
requires a pass through OTG cable
Post by: pbj on November 16, 2017, 04:53:00 pm
:cheers:
Post by: thomas_surles on November 16, 2017, 07:10:26 pm
Looks promising. Maybe this will eventually displace all those tired original Xboxes....I thought we did that with the wii? Or does emulation on there suck. No mame maybe? Never tried emulation on the wii.
:cheers:
Post by: gamepimp on November 16, 2017, 08:13:26 pm
Post by: Malenko on November 16, 2017, 08:27:07 pm
How beefy can the processor in the NES/SNES mini be? Im kind of surprised that PlayStation games run on there. Although I suppose if they use the same hardware for a N64 mini it would have to be somewhat decent right?
Allwinner R16 SoC (system on chip) with four ARM Cortex A7s paired with an ARM Mali 400 MP2 GPU. Hynix 256MB DDR3 module for memory and 512MB of NAND storage.
Post by: gamepimp on November 16, 2017, 10:25:12 pm
Post by: elvis on November 17, 2017, 02:07:57 am
Thanks Malenko. Most of that is Greek to me. Any idea what systems could be emulated with those specs?Please forgive the RPi commentary. This isn't a "go use a Pi" post, this is just using it as a measurement device for comparison's sake across generations.
The NES and SNES classic/mini consoles are roughly comparable to about a Raspberry Pi 2 for speed (difficult to compare 100%, as they're slightly different hardware).
This article shows a good comparison between the RPi2 and 3 - check the graphs about half way down:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-3-specs-benchmarks/ (https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-3-specs-benchmarks/)
The RPi3 is *just* fast enough for Playstation and N64 emulation (depends on the title). The RPi2 couldn't quite cut it.
So working backwards, very doubtful you'll get 3D/32bit consoles emulated on a hacked NES/SNES Classic/Mini without frameskipping (I'd want to see FPS ratings on anyone who's managed to try it out). 2D/16bit consoles and older, sure, no problems.
Post by: gamepimp on November 17, 2017, 06:34:31 am
Post by: pbj on November 17, 2017, 09:47:37 am
Post by: elvis on November 20, 2017, 01:07:21 am
If they do end up making a N64 mini it would be interesting to see if they upgrade the hardware.Either that, or do HLE per title. Just comes down to a business decision as to which method is cheaper for them in the long run. Given Nintendo have quite a lot of investment in N64 software emulation on low-end hardware already via Wii Virtual Console (and even GameCube titles like the "Ocarina of Time" Zelda collection release), I'd guess they'd go for the HLE instead to keep hardware costs to a minimum, given their typical MO (emphasising - that's pure speculation on my behalf).
PS1 was emulated 100% on an original Xbox, dude. :lolDepends on your definition of 100%. If all you care about is 60FPS at any level of accuracy, sure. But emulation is more complex than that. There are still glaring inaccuracies between Nintendo's own SNES Classic and real SNES hardware, but most folks don't care, and just want to play fun games that are "close enough" to what they remember.
Definitely not as black and white as "runs" vs "does not run". There's infinite pedantry there if you want it.
Post by: Grasshopper on November 20, 2017, 08:12:02 am
If they do end up making a N64 mini it would be interesting to see if they upgrade the hardware.Either that, or do HLE per title. Just comes down to a business decision as to which method is cheaper for them in the long run. Given Nintendo have quite a lot of investment in N64 software emulation on low-end hardware already via Wii Virtual Console (and even GameCube titles like the "Ocarina of Time" Zelda collection release), I'd guess they'd go for the HLE instead to keep hardware costs to a minimum, given their typical MO (emphasising - that's pure speculation on my behalf).
They might even go a stage further and just opt to do a straight port.
By the time the N64 came into existence, most games were predominantly being written in high level languages such as C & C++, and presumably Nintendo still has the source code somewhere. So, in principle, they do have the option of simply porting the games to more modern hardware. If they go down that route, then the games are pretty much guaranteed to run blindingly fast, regardless of which SOC they choose to use.
Theyd also have the option of allowing the games to be run in an enhanced mode utilising the full power of a modern GPU (i.e. better frame rate, more polygons, more detailed textures, etc. but still essentially the same game). That could persuade people like me who think early 3D games have aged badly to buy one of the units.
Post by: pbj on November 22, 2017, 11:01:52 pm
:gobama
Post by: Grasshopper on November 23, 2017, 04:58:26 pm
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Super-Famicom-SFC-SNES-Console/122799535402?epid=27009030812&hash=item1c976c352a:g:lI4AAOSwiIxaA~Ob (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Super-Famicom-SFC-SNES-Console/122799535402?epid=27009030812&hash=item1c976c352a:g:lI4AAOSwiIxaA~Ob)
If they're legit and genuinely being shipped from Ireland, then that's a pretty good deal. Most retailers are now selling them for at least ฃ79.99, and that's assuming you can even find one.
Obviously, unless you speak Japanese, you'll need to reflash it with the European firmware, but that's not a big deal.
Post by: knave on November 26, 2017, 02:38:46 am
Post by: pbj on November 26, 2017, 09:41:52 am
Post by: Grasshopper on November 26, 2017, 10:31:04 am
Well, the problem is the first review Genesis units were crap, and not many people have reviewed the revised one. I really wish someone would crack one open so we could see if they were hackable. It's a nice game list but missing Streets of Rage 1-3 is borderline unforgivable.I don't think they're hackable or at least nobody has tried. They use barrel style power connectors instead of micro-usb for power so it's not easy to hook up to a computer. A quick google search shows nothing coming up for "Genesis Flashback mod" or "Genesis Flashback hack."
Well apparently, they're based around a standard Rockchip SOC running a version of Android. Also, there's already a USB connector in the case that can be used to access the filesystem! So I think it's almost inevitable that they'll be hacked at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIAgzWNhIj4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIAgzWNhIj4)
Post by: Grasshopper on November 26, 2017, 11:24:15 am
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/266499-new-genesis-flashback/page-13#entry3895318 (http://atariage.com/forums/topic/266499-new-genesis-flashback/page-13#entry3895318)
Post by: pbj on November 26, 2017, 09:18:44 pm
Seems like Sega has thoroughly saturated the market over the years, this isn't really getting my pulse up.
Post by: opt2not on November 27, 2017, 12:37:53 am
Greatness: Easy to pack, plug n play, easy to navigate the menu even for my 5 yo niece.
Not so great: short stock controller wires, no 4-player Super Bomberman.
For me Thanksgiving week justified my purchase of this thing. Normally I would pack my original console + upscaler, flash cart, and a bunch of controllers (and multi-tap), cables etc., haul it over to my familys place, spend a little bit of time setting it up, having to be on-call for locating and switching games on the cart for them, as well as checking in on it periodically to ease my mind that the nieces didnt ruin my collectible.
But the classic made things a hellava lot easier to break out some classic snes games in a big social setting.
Post by: Malenko on November 27, 2017, 08:44:19 am
Post by: JDFan on November 27, 2017, 10:01:44 am
I brought my SNESC to the in-laws for Thanksgiving and it was a huge success! We played a bunch of Final Fight 3, Contra III, TMNT:TiT, and Super Mario World. We even played some epic Winner-Stays-On Dr.Mario (the updated one with the Tetris double-pack).
Greatness: Easy to pack, plug n’ play, easy to navigate the menu even for my 5 yo niece.
Not so great: short stock controller wires, no 4-player Super Bomberman.
For me Thanksgiving week justified my purchase of this thing. Normally I would pack my original console + upscaler, flash cart, and a bunch of controllers (and multi-tap), cables etc., haul it over to my family’s place, spend a little bit of time setting it up, having to be on-call for locating and switching games on the cart for them, as well as checking in on it periodically to ease my mind that the nieces didn’t ruin my collectible.
But the classic made things a hellava lot easier to break out some classic snes games in a big social setting.
Another Not so great - Having to spend time trying to find a few more systems for X-mas gifts after everyone decides they want one also !
Post by: pbj on November 27, 2017, 12:35:52 pm
Post by: opt2not on November 27, 2017, 02:51:39 pm
Post by: knave on November 28, 2017, 02:31:50 pm
Cool, I just ordered some of those 10' extension cables. I just picked the Amazon recommended ones on Prime.
You guys think its worth $20 for the wireless snes controllers?
Post by: opt2not on November 28, 2017, 04:29:02 pm
The thing is, I really like the quality of the controllers that came with the classic. They kinda feel better than the originals to me. Something about them feel more solid, and they have a slightly better grip due to the shell's texture. This is why I've been hesitant in getting the retro receiver for my 8bitdo controllers.
Post by: knave on December 26, 2017, 01:50:03 am
Post by: bigster on December 28, 2017, 04:51:15 pm
On a related note, does anyone know the best way to play bs zelda ancient stone tablets on snes classic without having to modify the saves for each different week?
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Post by: Grasshopper on January 01, 2018, 10:20:26 am
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireless-Gampads/32848591978.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.62.SCIEpN&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10340_10548_10341_10192_10190_10084_10083_10307_10301_10303_10059_10314_10184_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1-8&algo_pvid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1&rmStoreLevelAB=5 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireless-Gampads/32848591978.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.62.SCIEpN&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10340_10548_10341_10192_10190_10084_10083_10307_10301_10303_10059_10314_10184_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1-8&algo_pvid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1&rmStoreLevelAB=5)
They don't look like original SNES Gamepads (which doesn't really bother me). However, they come bundled with a receiver, so they appear to be a lot cheaper than the SNES Gamepad styled 8Bitdo controllers.
But I can't understand why they're so much cheaper. Am I missing something?
Post by: JDFan on January 01, 2018, 11:02:44 am
I've been toying with the idea of buying one of these 8Bitdo controllers:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireless-Gampads/32848591978.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.62.SCIEpN&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10340_10548_10341_10192_10190_10084_10083_10307_10301_10303_10059_10314_10184_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1-8&algo_pvid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1&rmStoreLevelAB=5 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireless-Gampads/32848591978.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.62.SCIEpN&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_51102_10340_10548_10341_10192_10190_10084_10083_10307_10301_10303_10059_10314_10184_10534_5790011_100031_10604_10103_10142,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1-8&algo_pvid=d37a0284-0f35-4a7a-a2a8-13aeabdab5d1&rmStoreLevelAB=5)
They don't look like original SNES Gamepads (which doesn't really bother me). However, they come bundled with a receiver, so they appear to be a lot cheaper than the SNES Gamepad styled 8Bitdo controllers.
But I can't understand why they're so much cheaper. Am I missing something?
Probably because they are coming direct from a manufacturer in China not a reseller that adds in their profit margin - - Most things from ALiexpress are quite a bit cheaper than the same thing on Ebay/Amazon - Of course some of them are also unauthorized production that may be made by the same factory in after hours/production so the company who designed them may also not be getting their cut of the profit as well !
Als these are the cheaper 2.4GHZ. wireless models not hte Bluetooth models so are a bit cheaper anyway.
IF you're uncomfortable with Aliexpress - Ebay has the same 8Bitdo SN30 for $18 ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/8Bitdo-SN30-Pro-SF30-Pro-Bluetooth-Controller-Gamepad-w-Joystick-for-Android-PC/152847275387?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D9d6bc6c45d79471da3642c296b89131c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162785049442&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/8Bitdo-SN30-Pro-SF30-Pro-Bluetooth-Controller-Gamepad-w-Joystick-for-Android-PC/152847275387?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41451%26meid%3D9d6bc6c45d79471da3642c296b89131c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162785049442&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851) ) - so you can use Paypal and/or Ebay's dispute proces if it doesn't arrive for some reason.
Post by: Grasshopper on January 01, 2018, 11:37:44 am
Probably because they are coming direct from a manufacturer in China not a reseller that adds in their profit margin - - Most things from ALiexpress are quite a bit cheaper than the same thing on Ebay/Amazon - Of course some of them are also unauthorized production that may be made by the same factory in after hours/production so the company who designed them may also not be getting their cut of the profit as well !
I was taking that into account. If you search Aliexpress for the SNES Gamepad styled 8Bitdo controllers, you'll see they cost at least as much, and don't come bundled with a receiver. And for some reason, the receivers are stupidly overpriced if you buy them separately.
You'll see the same pattern on Amazon and Ebay.
Als these are the cheaper 2.4GHZ. wireless models not hte Bluetooth models so are a bit cheaper anyway.
Interesting. The description actually says they're Bluetooth V2.1 compatible. Could that be why they're cheaper, and is it a problem? I don't know much about Bluetooth technology.
Post by: JDFan on January 01, 2018, 01:17:05 pm
Als these are the cheaper 2.4GHZ. wireless models not hte Bluetooth models so are a bit cheaper anyway.
Interesting. The description actually says they're Bluetooth V2.1 compatible. Could that be why they're cheaper, and is it a problem? I don't know much about Bluetooth technology.
Hmm - didn't notice that it said Bluetooth since - even the link says they are 2.4G wireless not bluetooth ( ie.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireles (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8Bitdo-SF30-2-4G-Wireless-Gamepad-Retro-Controller-with-2-4G-Receiver-USB-C-Wireles) )
But yeah the 2.4G wireless come with the receiver and are cheaper than the Bluetooth version (SN of SF are 2.4G where SN Pro and SF Pro are bluetooth and do not include the Receiver since anything you are using them on most likely already has Bluetooth compatibility (except the SNES MINI which needs the special receiver ! )
Post by: Grasshopper on January 01, 2018, 01:55:02 pm
Unfortunately, if I can't get definite confirmation that the controller is Bluetooth compatible then that's a dealbreaker for me as I also want to use it with my tablet and Pi.
Post by: JDFan on January 01, 2018, 04:10:54 pm
Aliexpress sellers tend to have a very cavalier attitude towards describing their products, and I'm beginning to suspect that in this case the description is just plain wrong, and the controller is not Bluetooth compatible after all. Some of the Ebay sellers are also describing the controller as Bluetooth compatible. However, that doesn't necessarity mean anything as Chinese sellers often blindly cut'n'paste from one another.
Unfortunately, if I can't get definite confirmation that the controller is Bluetooth compatible then that's a dealbreaker for me as I also want to use it with my tablet and Pi.
Yeah the listings sometimes lose a bit of information in the translations - Does 8 bitdo have a website that describes the various products they make ? - Might be able to refer to it to see if there are ones that are or are not bluetooth compatible.
EDIT : HEre's their page on the sn and sf 30's - They do not mention Bluetooth anywhere on those products so I do not think they are bluetooth and they actually mention USB connectivity for the Pi etc. so pretty sure they would mention Bluetooth for them if they had it ! ( http://www.8bitdo.com/sn30-sf30-2_4g-for-snes-and-sfc-classic-edition/ (http://www.8bitdo.com/sn30-sf30-2_4g-for-snes-and-sfc-classic-edition/) )
But that does add a bit to the confusion as it says
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Connectivity
2.4G Wireless Technology for SNES/SFC Classic Edition.
USB connection for Windows, macOS, Raspberry Pi, Android and more.
So does that mean it comes with a USB adapter for the receiver connection so it can be used wirelessly with the PI etc. - Or do you have to use them wired ?? :dunno
Post by: wp34 on January 02, 2018, 12:20:24 pm
Have you noticed any lag issues? A buddy of mine has the NES Classic and swears it is laggy on some games.
Post by: yotsuya on January 02, 2018, 12:47:54 pm
I picked up one of these at Best Buy yesterday when I saw they had some in customer service. Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it yet as it was a bit of an impulse purchase.
Have you noticed any lag issues? A buddy of mine has the NES Classic and swears it is laggy on some games.
Tell him to set his TV to Game Mode.
Post by: Howard_Casto on January 02, 2018, 01:01:37 pm
I picked up one of these at Best Buy yesterday when I saw they had some in customer service. Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it yet as it was a bit of an impulse purchase.
Have you noticed any lag issues? A buddy of mine has the NES Classic and swears it is laggy on some games.
I swear some people detect lag when little or none exists. If it isn't in the tv then it's in his head.
Post by: wp34 on January 02, 2018, 01:57:32 pm
Post by: JDFan on January 16, 2018, 01:00:06 pm
Have a new link?
Your link is down. ;D
IT linked to a seller of the SN/SF 30s on Aliexpress - IF you search 8bitdo sf30 from the main page it will list several with the $18.99 price ( https://www.aliexpress.com/ (https://www.aliexpress.com/) ) Like these https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20180116095946&SearchText=8bitdo+sf30 (https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20180116095946&SearchText=8bitdo+sf30)
Post by: Loafmeister on January 31, 2018, 11:29:16 am
Well two days ago, after a two + month trip, it finally came in :)
Unfortunately as I plugged the SOB in, I can see the adapter covers the hdmi port, they sent a righty instead of a lefty :(
Feck it, I want to use this thing so normal hack will do. Because so many mention how Nintendo's own NES emulator seems to have a little less lag with emulating nes games, I decided to try the dual boot mod and I can state it works like a charm, when in snes mode, it's the exact same interface as the snesmini, but when in nes mode, then the interface and default games match the nesmini. Brilliant if somewhat a bit of a pain when you want to switch back and forth (you hand to load the system as a game, then it reboots in that mode)
Anyway very impressed with this little device. Superb usual Nintendo polish, and also impressed with the hackers and their own level of polish. Glad I got it.
Post by: pbj on January 31, 2018, 11:42:21 am
I've got 89 SNES games and the complete NES library with plenty of space leftover for save states.
Post by: JDFan on January 31, 2018, 12:02:10 pm
Boot it into NES mode, turn it off, hook up to your PC. That's how you flash more NES games onto it.
I've got 89 SNES games and the complete NES library with plenty of space leftover for save states.
Also IIRC There are 2 ways to set up the dual boot and only one allows you to add games to both sides of the dual boot that way - for the other you have to add the games in a different method rather than using hakchi.
Post by: Loafmeister on January 31, 2018, 02:57:34 pm
Boot it into NES mode, turn it off, hook up to your PC. That's how you flash more NES games onto it.
I've got 89 SNES games and the complete NES library with plenty of space leftover for save states.
Yep, works fine. For some reason, my custom folders don`t seem to want to stick on the nes side but the autosplit works fine. I found that odd but then, I realized I really don`t care how it splits it so I`m fine with the way it works
Post by: wp34 on January 31, 2018, 09:13:32 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Loafmeister on February 01, 2018, 10:35:06 am
Looks like the innards of this thing can even support psp emulation. Maybe not 100% full speed but with some games, surprisingly close!
Post by: pbj on February 07, 2018, 12:28:08 am
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 07, 2018, 02:08:46 am
Btw... In regards to the dual booting and usb host, ect..... Has anyone tried to put a front-end image on a usb stick and re-skin it so that when the stick is inserted it boots to a new gui? That'd be the way to do other consoles imho... skin them so they look different.
Post by: gamepimp on February 07, 2018, 08:04:55 am
So I was high bidder on a Genesis Flashback HD. More clutter I didnt need. Stay tuned... I guess. :P
You will probably be interested in this topic regarding hacking that system:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/sega-megadrive-genesis-flashback-mini-hd-with-an-usb-on-internal-mother-board.491498/ (https://gbatemp.net/threads/sega-megadrive-genesis-flashback-mini-hd-with-an-usb-on-internal-mother-board.491498/)
I've been very tempted to pick up one of these systems. However, I read in another forum that AT Games is going to make improvements on the console for 2018. So I think I'm going to hold out for the newer version. I've already got too much stuff on my plate right now with hacking all these Nintendo mini systems anyway. LOL!
Post by: pbj on February 07, 2018, 10:04:00 am
The systems are popping up fairly cheap on the Goodwill auction site.
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Listings?st=Genesis%20Flashback&sg=&c=&s=&lp=0&hp=999999 (https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Listings?st=Genesis%20Flashback&sg=&c=&s=&lp=0&hp=999999)
Given the condition of the things (untouched) this leads me to believe a bunch were donated as tax write offs....
Post by: JDFan on February 07, 2018, 10:41:49 am
Given the condition of the things (untouched) this leads me to believe a bunch were donated as tax write offs....
Probably a retailer that bought stock that didn't sell during Xmas - so they donated them to the local Goodwill in order to get them out of the store, since they could get more in tax savings than they would heavily discounting them for clearance.
Post by: pbj on February 07, 2018, 10:45:40 am
Post by: Osirus23 on February 07, 2018, 11:08:26 am
Post by: Loafmeister on February 07, 2018, 10:05:28 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 08, 2018, 02:22:32 pm
I'm not surprised that the psx runs well, because, again, the hardware on the psx was pretty sub-standard. People on think it was powerful in comparison to the n64 because it's cd drive allowed for much larger textures and back in the low poly days textures really helped a poor model. The psp emulation surprises me though... it's fairly powerful for that arm processor to pull off.
You've got to watch those goodwill auctions guys..... it'll look like a deal until you inspect the auction further and they want $20 for processing and handling.
Post by: pbj on February 08, 2018, 02:42:06 pm
:dunno
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 08, 2018, 02:49:58 pm
PS1 was 100% emulated on original Xbox, so I'm always surprised that people are surprised it can be emulated on newer devices.
:dunno
Yeah and what was that? About a 700mhz processor with 64 megs of ram?
If anything I'm surprised that the snes classic is having stuttering problems with it.... must be an optimization problem.
Post by: nitrogen_widget on February 08, 2018, 09:47:22 pm
PS1 was 100% emulated on original Xbox, so I'm always surprised that people are surprised it can be emulated on newer devices.
:dunno
Pretty sure it's 100% on RPI3 with up-scaling.
Post by: bootsector on February 09, 2018, 02:42:48 am
An FPGA implementation should have been the way to go for Nintendo since the beginning.
kevtris does what Nintendon't!
Post by: pbj on February 09, 2018, 12:10:17 pm
Post by: JDFan on February 09, 2018, 12:46:50 pm
It's $200 freaking dollars and not even out yet. ::)
That's the cheaper clone not the Kevtris aluminum model he was talking about which was a mere $578 !
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/analogue-nt-mini-nes-famicoms-final-form-kevtris-fpga-aluminum-1080p-449.1338669/ (https://www.neogaf.com/threads/analogue-nt-mini-nes-famicoms-final-form-kevtris-fpga-aluminum-1080p-449.1338669/)
Post by: bootsector on February 09, 2018, 01:50:36 pm
It's $200 freaking dollars and not even out yet. ::)Despite it's being advertised as pre-order, they are shipping right away and there are people receiving them already. IMHO, $200 for a HDMI, "high-fidelity" and upgradeable FPGA SNES is super cheap! My body is ready for a Sega Genesis FPGA implementation from kevtris! :cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 09, 2018, 02:09:14 pm
The nes is a special case because the chips on board only allow for composite out, but the snes is rgb ready and rgb consoles don't need an hdmi clone.
Also, since someone will chime in, I'm getting sick of the incorrect assumption that, because it's fpga that the hardware isn't emulated like lesser quality clones. Of course it's emulated.... it's merely emulated via hardware instead of being emulated via software. I'm not saying the implementation is bad, but the only way to get a 100% accurate hardware experience is to run the real hardware, so that argument is doa.
So since it's factually correct that any snes that isn't a real snes isn't as accurate as a real snes, why pay 200 bucks for a clone when you can get an officially licensed emulation box for 80 or buy the real hardware with hdmi out for under 100?
It's cool if you want one, it isn't a totally unreasonable price like the analog nt was, but you can't make the argument that it's better than some of the other options out there because it isn't.
Post by: opt2not on February 09, 2018, 02:32:30 pm
But I gotta play devils advocate here:
Well with respect then, you are ill-informed. The snes has native rgb out, with a 8 dollar cable and a 20-30 dollar scart 2 hdmi adapter you have hdmi out on the actual hardware, not some inferior clone.Those scart 2 HDMI adapters are all ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for lag and sometimes have sync issues, as well there are so many clones you dont really know what youre getting. I wouldnt trust those cheap Chinese scalers for anything. Also you get no options with that setup: no scanlines, no image adjustments, no frills.
Your arguement for superior snes experiences should have begun and ended with CRT, not some low-rent Chinese hardware that can be hit or miss with quality.
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Also, since someone will chime in, I'm getting sick of the incorrect assumption that, because it's fpga that the hardware isn't emulated like lesser quality clones. Of course it's emulated.... it's merely emulated via hardware instead of being emulated via software. I'm not saying the implementation is bad, but the only way to get a 100% accurate hardware experience is to run the real hardware, so that argument is doa.Blah blah blah. The overhead and processing is less on an fpga which will be more accurate than anything software emulated.
Is it exactly like the original? No. But its one notch down and a hellava lot more accurate than people running things off a piece of crap Pi.
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So since it's factually correct that any snes that isn't a real snes isn't as accurate as a real snes, why pay 200 bucks for a clone when you can get an officially licensed emulation box for 80 or buy the real hardware with hdmi out for under 100?
It's cool if you want one, it isn't a totally unreasonable price like the analog nt was, but you can't make the argument that it's better than some of the other options out there because it isn't.
Arguements made. Deal with it. It *could* be the best thing next to original hardware (with a proper scaler), but all-in-all, analogue isnt getting my money. They lost me when they pulled that BS with the NES Mini NT.
Post by: bootsector on February 09, 2018, 02:37:03 pm
...Because the official emulator is a piece of crap that can't even play Yoshi's Island correctly? It's a shame, but in this case, a clone has surpassed the official hardware (SNES Classic).
So since it's factually correct that any snes that isn't a real snes isn't as accurate as a real snes, why pay 200 bucks for a clone when you can get an officially licensed emulation box for 80 or buy the real hardware with hdmi out for under 100?...
Post by: Loafmeister on February 09, 2018, 02:51:05 pm
Yeah the dithering is due to the psx's inferior hardware. The n64 was actually much, much better in that regard with a bunch of texture filters available at the hardware level. If it had a cd drive it would have essentially been a dreamcast a full generation before the dreamcast in terms of the quality of games it could have done.
I'm not surprised that the psx runs well, because, again, the hardware on the psx was pretty sub-standard. People on think it was powerful in comparison to the n64 because it's cd drive allowed for much larger textures and back in the low poly days textures really helped a poor model. The psp emulation surprises me though... it's fairly powerful for that arm processor to pull off.
You've got to watch those goodwill auctions guys..... it'll look like a deal until you inspect the auction further and they want $20 for processing and handling.
Dithering: resolved via turning off the dithering option that was set to "on"
I think the n64 was a superb system but a n64 with a CD drive does not come close to being essentially a dreamcast unless you see dreamcast games as being super blocky in architecture. I swear your love of Nintendo clouds your common sense sometime. I don't think the n64 had the power to do the level of detail on polygon. For sure it would have beaten the psx for looks but dreamcast? Only in a Star Trek alternate reality
Edit: you might like this Howard :). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdmBlG2Nr2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdmBlG2Nr2s)
Post by: pbj on February 09, 2018, 02:56:29 pm
:hissy
I always love how every clone/repro/bootleg is 'crap' because it doesn't emulate some specific game that nobody cares about. Yoshi's Island? ---fudgesicle---'s sake.
If you're gagging that bad to play one specific game, stick to original hardware.
Post by: bootsector on February 09, 2018, 03:02:12 pm
Nothing like a good BYOAC slapfight.Are you following me? I said the original hardware/software (the SNES Classic from Nintendo itself) can't play Yoshi's Island correctly. And I don't even care about this game. What I'm saying is that it should be Nintendo the one to put the love on its products, not the hackers with their FPGA clones.
:hissy
I always love how every clone/repro/bootleg is 'crap' because it doesn't emulate some specific game that nobody cares about. Yoshi's Island? ---fudgesicle---'s sake.
If you're gagging that bad to play one specific game, stick to original hardware.
Post by: pbj on February 09, 2018, 03:03:32 pm
Post by: bootsector on February 09, 2018, 03:05:09 pm
Is there any issue besides a slight stutter on the title screen?Yes, at some stage at first world, when you get those stuff that look like snowflakes and everything gets distorted. The background glitches on the SNES classic.
Post by: pbj on February 09, 2018, 03:08:50 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 09, 2018, 03:28:31 pm
Like I said, if your argument is that it's more accurate then the logical conclusion would be to use a real snes that is 100% accurate. If you are saying accuracy doesn't matter, then why pay more for something that still isn't 100% accurate? Logically neither route makes sense, but you guys keep convincing yourselves that your over-priced purchases are justified in some way beyond just wanting the thing.
It's ok to just want the thing. I wanted the snes classic because it was the only way to legally get Star Fox II so I feel that in a few years time it will be valuable. The truth is that it very well might not.... I just wanted it. It's best to be honest guys.... you just want it, that's ok.
Post by: Osirus23 on February 09, 2018, 06:22:47 pm
Can I do the same with this overpriced FPGA?
Post by: bootsector on February 09, 2018, 06:55:08 pm
SNES Classic is cheap and can run a lot more than just SNES, with the mods discussed here.Consider the overpriced FPGA SNES a SNES that can do pure HDMI. So you will be able to do with it the same you'd do with a SNES plus a good upscaler.
Can I do the same with this overpriced FPGA?
There's a chance kevtris releases unofficial firmwares for it though, allowing it to simulate several other 8 and 16 bit systems.
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 09, 2018, 11:05:42 pm
Post by: bigster on February 13, 2018, 11:10:35 am
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Post by: pbj on February 13, 2018, 11:22:44 am
I sure there's dozens of potential customers out there.
Post by: Osirus23 on February 13, 2018, 12:45:21 pm
Post by: lilshawn on February 13, 2018, 01:17:12 pm
Those NTs occupy a very weird niche. People that insist upon original cartridges... but that aren't using CRTs.... and don't want any of the modern conveniences.
I sure there's dozens of potential customers out there.
I know, it's like
I WANT PERFECT EMULATION NO EXCEPTIONS!
*plays on a 55" LCD with 200ms of screen lag.*
NOICE!
:banghead:
I'll just wait for the Coleco Chameleon. I hear it plays back SNES carts just like the original hardware.
I'll just play on my SNES which plays just like original hardware, cause it is. I know of the shortcomings of using original hardware, and I'm fine with that.
all these things tend to do is get casual players playing the game system... and that's great. this is not for actual classic console players. If you want it to look and act like you are playing SNES on a CRT...actually DO it. Buy a console and a CRT and play it as it's intended. No amount of farting around is going to make 90's technology and tricks used to make it look good...look okay on a modern display.
if you want a plug and play solution to play on your flat panel drunk with your buds on the weekends, buy a classic system or one of the new FPGA systems and ignore the screen issues, lag, graphical problems and whatever else kids these day complain about and be done with it.
so tell me again why we are swapping out one set of problems which aren't really a problem for people who care, for another set that ARE a problem.... to cater to people who don't REALLY give a crap about authenticity anyways? people who care about how their game plays and how it looks already have their solution.
Post by: JDFan on February 13, 2018, 01:23:34 pm
I'll just wait for the Coleco Chameleon. I hear it plays back SNES carts just like the original hardware.
I'll just play on my SNES which plays just like original hardware, cause it is. I know of the shortcomings of using original hardware, and I'm fine with that.
Are you familiar with the Chameleon Kickstarter fiasco he mentions ? -- evidently it was actually a prototype made using the original Nintendo hardware hidden inside to fool people - so technically was using the original hardware !
Post by: pbj on February 13, 2018, 01:57:25 pm
My god, it reminds me of this..
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OBE9Zm93TmM/TkBQCRYoTuI/AAAAAAAAddQ/FOZv1iKSezg/s1600/bigfoot460_791063c.jpg)
Post by: lilshawn on February 13, 2018, 02:01:58 pm
I'll just wait for the Coleco Chameleon. I hear it plays back SNES carts just like the original hardware.
I'll just play on my SNES which plays just like original hardware, cause it is. I know of the shortcomings of using original hardware, and I'm fine with that.
Are you familiar with the Chameleon Kickstarter fiasco he mentions ? -- evidently it was actually a prototype made using the original Nintendo hardware hidden inside to fool people - so technically was using the original hardware !
was that other one that they were buying SNES's and sacrificing the PPU and other chips out of them to use them in their system board or was that a different one?
Post by: opt2not on February 13, 2018, 02:28:27 pm
all these things tend to do is get casual players playing the game system... and that's great. this is not for actual classic console players. If you want it to look and act like you are playing SNES on a CRT...actually DO it. Buy a console and a CRT and play it as it's intended. No amount of farting around is going to make 90's technology and tricks used to make it look good...look okay on a modern display.If only life were so black and white.
I myself had to ditch my larger CRT when I moved to a smaller apartment, kept my smaller 14" one but I only use it for PCB testing and most of the time it sits in a closet.
For people who live in Texas or Pennsylvania or whatever inland area, keeping a CRT is easy. You all got tons of space, and on the cheap! I hate seeing those house hunter shows my wife watches when the couple looking for a home are in places like Texas and they're scoffing at a $300,000 large house being too expensive, I'm like f**k right the hell off. Try paying $800,000+ on a small bungalow home on the west coast.
Playing on original consoles with a good (not cheap ebay chinese ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---) upscaler, and a high response gaming monitor is totally acceptable for those actual classic gamers you speak of. I'm running my original consoles through an OSSC, connected to a Benq Zowie which is the monitor used at most fighting game tournaments now. It feels good and responsive and only takes a small footprint of space on my 4' wide desk.
Another problem these days with CRT's is that all the hipsters are buying them up, trying to chase that real classic gamer lifestyle they see being so cool. At least the good CRT's. Or if you're in a dense urban location, I've heard people complain that finding CRT's now are getting more difficult.
You lost me on the first sentence.
so tell me again why we are swapping out one set of problems which aren't really a problem for people who care, for another set that ARE a problem.... to cater to people who don't REALLY give a crap about authenticity anyways? people who care about how their game plays and how it looks already have their solution.
But I want to ask what you think authenticity is? In North America we think authentic is hooking our old consoles to a CRT through either RF or Composite Video, with all the grain and A/V noise and we call it the truest. But think about people in Europe that grew up with the same old consoles, they were connecting their gear to CRT's that accepted clean RGB. So for them, the ugly noise and grain that we deemed the true experience is wrong. It's all relative, man.
Point being, we can sit here and judge people on buying one thing or another, but in the end...who cares? It's not my money. I'm not going to buy it, so what does it really matter. We can sit all high and mighty being keyboard warriors and casting judgements down on the plebeians, but at the end of the day we're all just looking to play games on our own terms.
Buy what you dig, dig what you buy.
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 13, 2018, 03:34:04 pm
Like you said, it is impractical these days for the average joe to run consoles on a quality crt, but there are plenty of ways to get a quality picture without forking over 200 bucks for a single console. Even if you insist that the Chinese up-scalers are crap (they aren't, you just had a bad experience with one) at least when you buy the more expensive ones that investment is going to apply to your entire console collection and not a single clone. Then again, if a person insists on getting the NT then good on them, I hope they enjoy it.
Yeah those hipsters piss me off.... wearing their fedoras on vacation and stuff. :)
Post by: pbj on February 13, 2018, 04:34:55 pm
Been watching the auctions, they're ranging about $25-40 shipped. Let's see if/when it actually arrives.
Post by: opt2not on February 13, 2018, 07:33:43 pm
Yeah those hipsters piss me off.... wearing their fedoras on vacation and stuff. :)lol youre really stuck on that picture of me. If you want Ill frame it and send it to you.
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 13, 2018, 11:30:19 pm
Had to remind Goodwill it was time to ship that Genesis I paid for a week ago....
Been watching the auctions, they're ranging about $25-40 shipped. Let's see if/when it actually arrives.
I don't have a good track record with goodwill unfortunately. I'm interested in what you think of the flashback..... seems pretty good judging by videos, but definitely not 70 dollars good.
Post by: pbj on February 17, 2018, 04:50:03 pm
"A fair few."
Anyway, it's clearly not Nintendo polished in the interface but the emulation seems good and the controllers are nice. Inexplicably, Game Gear games have an overlay while Genesis and SMS don't. Rewind works better on this vs snes.
For ~$30 shipped for an obviously brand new system I feel like it was a good buy. I don't know that it offers any advantages over a Pi besides the quick boots and wireless controllers. The nostalgia factor was super high for me on this one, even the damn box looks like the original ones. System case feels solid. Controllers aren't as nice as the snes but they're reasonably close to how I remember the original 6 button ones feeling.
:cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 17, 2018, 09:35:19 pm
Post by: pbj on February 17, 2018, 10:16:16 pm
Anyway, heated up the decal on the bottom with a hair dryer, peeled it back, threw away that worthless hidden screw and now this is an easy unit to take apart without doing any cosmetic damage.
I installed the 15 second adb drivers, plugged it in to my Win7 machine, let the computer crank on drivers for 20 minutes. Then you run a few simple command lines and you're in business.
After that it's a matter of dragging and dropping a rom and png for each game you want to add, and you have to make an entry in the gamelist text file. I basically have it "Kill everything that moves. A-Punch B-Kick C-Jump" and that's good enough for meta data.
Only hitch I've hit so far is it didn't like some of my file names. System was a brick until I started over and installed them in smaller batches. Not sure what was the culprit specifically, but it didn't like sor2, sor2, or tmnt as file names. Renamed to streetrage2, streetrage 3, and teenageninja and good to go.
Frankly, the default game list on this thing is reasonably curated, so I haven't felt the need to install much...
Post by: pbj on February 18, 2018, 12:59:28 am
Wireless range on the controllers is great. Played it a good 20 feet away without problems.
$80 is too steep for this thing, but Im happy at what I paid. Streets of Rage 2 and Vectorman 2 sound phenomenal pumped through a sound system.
:cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 18, 2018, 01:55:39 am
In terms of real consoles I'm at maximum capacity. That world of Nintendo cabinet I built might be able to squeeze in a couple more consoles and I'm looking for a proper place to put my handhelds and display the nes/snes classics. So even though I want one, the question arises should I really buy one when I'm running out of room?
Post by: pbj on February 18, 2018, 12:39:55 pm
My issues seem to be related to the added files getting corrupt either during the transfer or when I unplug the USB cable. So now I transfer, unplug, wait 5 seconds, replug and verify files on system are good. Been good to go since I've been doing that.
Will probably figure out how to interact with the file system directly and get rid of the system link. But for now I'm good.
:cheers:
Post by: pbj on February 28, 2018, 10:21:31 pm
The stock library is fairly comprehensive, but heres what I added....
Castle of Illusion
Castlevania
Flashback
Gunstar Heroes
Moonwalker
NBA Jam (I couldnt get TE to load but only tried one rom)
Populous
Quack shot
Road Rash 2
Street Fighter 2
Strider
Streets of Rage 2&3
TMNT
Toe jam and Earl
Tough man Contest
Zero Wing
All tested and playable. Couldnt get Samurai Shodown to work despite trying all regions.
Doing the descriptions is annoying but you can have fun with it....
:cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on February 28, 2018, 11:29:32 pm
I've been thinking that console roms need a good dat with all of that info in it. I'm really interested in associating roms with product codes or crc's to avoid the problem of different naming schemes. I would like to associate clone and "brother" rom releases as well so it'd be possible to properly create a list of unique games without language variants ect... I actually made a rom reader a while back, but I've yet to expand it into a useful tool. It's be nice to just have a little app to sort and filter games for flash carts and hdmi consoles like that and to automatically fill in the pertinent text data.
Maybe when I get the three projects rotting on my hdd released this month I can actually spend some time on it.
Post by: bigster on March 05, 2018, 01:56:04 pm
Now, after playing oot 3d I wish Nintendo would have "remastered" star fox 1 and 2 instead of giving us these 5 fps versions on the snes classic.
I still bought snes classic with the low fps, and I know it is original but still. Let's improve these gems in the future.
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Post by: lilshawn on March 05, 2018, 02:17:52 pm
Now that we've seen Link move at a very well animated 30FPS at 1080p in WWHD, and 60FPS in stereoscopic 3D on 3DS and so on... yes, a sub 20 FPS experience would be subpar.
in the end it's still the same old fight.... you either get accurate emulation (---smurfy--- framerate and all) or you don't and purists whine.
Post by: nitrogen_widget on March 06, 2018, 03:58:49 pm
Back when OOT came out, we were so floored by the fully realized polygonal world that we were much less nit picky about the 20 FPS framerate. Link was so expressive and the game felt so real and cinematic in a way that no other game had ever felt. We didn't mind stuff like blocky polygons or low res/blurry textures either.
Now that we've seen Link move at a very well animated 30FPS at 1080p in WWHD, and 60FPS in stereoscopic 3D on 3DS and so on... yes, a sub 20 FPS experience would be subpar.
in the end it's still the same old fight.... you either get accurate emulation (---smurfy--- framerate and all) or you don't and purists whine.
There are HD texture packs for OOT on emulators.
I haven't played with them yet but the Mario 64 and Smash Brothers 64 HD texture packs made a difference on the big screen TV.
I did have to tweak the settings on my Ouya for it to run smooth though.
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 07, 2018, 12:39:36 am
Post by: pbj on March 08, 2018, 09:44:33 pm
On the Genesis Flashback, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy ROM hacks just boot up to a blue checksum error screen.
Verified both work on my PC with PicoDrive.
Oh well.
:'(
Also found a weird glitch in Sonic 2 in the Aquatic Zone levels. Granted, these were glitchy on original hardware. One time my wife grabbed an air bubble just as the timer was about to hit 0. Tails died, Sonic lived. Background music stopped and it played the drowned sound effect over and over. Once she hit another air bubble, music resumed and Tail came back. Then as she got towards the end of the level, she clipped through a wall and fell off the bottom of the screen.
On her next life, that area of the level played correctly.
:dunno
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 08, 2018, 09:48:37 pm
Post by: pbj on March 08, 2018, 09:54:40 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 08, 2018, 09:56:32 pm
Post by: pbj on March 08, 2018, 10:00:18 pm
On that Flashback hack thread, one guy got the built in emulator replaced with PicoDrive.... If he can get the rewind and save states working as well as they do on the originals, it might be worth a switch...
Post by: nitrogen_widget on March 09, 2018, 10:23:21 am
On the Genesis Flashback, Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy ROM hacks just boot up to a blue checksum error screen.
Verified both work on my PC with PicoDrive.
Oh well.
:'(
Also found a weird glitch in Sonic 2 in the Aquatic Zone levels. Granted, these were glitchy on original hardware. One time my wife grabbed an air bubble just as the timer was about to hit 0. Tails died, Sonic lived. Background music stopped and it played the drowned sound effect over and over. Once she hit another air bubble, music resumed and Tail came back. Then as she got towards the end of the level, she clipped through a wall and fell off the bottom of the screen.
On her next life, that area of the level played correctly.
:dunno
gut it and toss in an RPI3.
It'll handle 32x and Sega-CD. :)
Post by: pbj on March 09, 2018, 10:42:28 am
gut it and toss in an RPI3.
It'll handle 32x and Sega-CD. :)
https://goo.gl/aGLzWi (https://goo.gl/aGLzWi)
Post by: lilshawn on March 09, 2018, 11:36:30 am
gut it and toss in an RPI3.
It'll handle 32x and Sega-CD. :)
https://goo.gl/aGLzWi (https://goo.gl/aGLzWi)
I wish we could still upvote posts
Post by: pbj on March 09, 2018, 12:06:11 pm
Here's the cheapest one I found at $1.08 shipped. The female end still needs a mini usb connector, but I've got a bunch of those cables laying around from my PS3.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-Price-24cm-GPS-Mini-USB-5Pin-90-Degree-Left-Angled-Male-To-Female-Extension-Cable/32579321825.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-Price-24cm-GPS-Mini-USB-5Pin-90-Degree-Left-Angled-Male-To-Female-Extension-Cable/32579321825.html)
Post by: nitrogen_widget on March 09, 2018, 10:59:54 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 09, 2018, 11:48:30 pm
Wireless Gamepad (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-piece-2-4GHZ-Wireless-Controller-for-SNES-for-Super-Nintendo-Classic-MINI/32855301675.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.326.4fce1f755tZThO&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711211_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5722411_10621_10620_10810_5711311,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=1442f5cb-3a20-458e-be1d-42239b69269c-46&algo_pvid=1442f5cb-3a20-458e-be1d-42239b69269c&transAbTest=ae803_5&priceBeautifyAB=0)
I've been looking for a wireless snes gamepad that's a virtual clone of the real gamepad, like I found for the nes classic and this is as close as I've been able to find. You can get snes or super famicom button colors, it has a rechargeable battery, a home button hotkey and it'll work on the pc as well. The only thing holding me back is the price.... we are getting into 8bitdo territory although I suppose it's still cheaper considering it comes with the dongle. I'll probably pull the trigger soon, but I wanted to give a heads up in case someone else wants to be the lab rat this time.
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 09, 2018, 11:52:25 pm
Post by: pbj on March 10, 2018, 11:02:28 am
:cheers:
Post by: JDFan on March 10, 2018, 11:07:49 am
So I found this:
Wireless Gamepad (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-piece-2-4GHZ-Wireless-Controller-for-SNES-for-Super-Nintendo-Classic-MINI/32855301675.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.326.4fce1f755tZThO&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711211_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5722411_10621_10620_10810_5711311,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=1442f5cb-3a20-458e-be1d-42239b69269c-46&algo_pvid=1442f5cb-3a20-458e-be1d-42239b69269c&transAbTest=ae803_5&priceBeautifyAB=0)
IF you'd rather get it From Amazon instead of Aliexpress they have them at pretty much the same price using fullfilment by Amazon so shipped from a US warehouse rather than China - ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077MNYQ3Y/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B077MNYQ3Y&pd_rd_wg=ZyxNT&pd_rd_r=8MSNFW6AFC1S1KVW7W2Y&pd_rd_w=1FIFe (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077MNYQ3Y/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B077MNYQ3Y&pd_rd_wg=ZyxNT&pd_rd_r=8MSNFW6AFC1S1KVW7W2Y&pd_rd_w=1FIFe) )
IT's nice that they include the PC dongle also so you can use the controller on your PC as well as the SNES/NEs mini.
we are getting into 8bitdo territory although I suppose it's still cheaper considering it comes with the dongle.
THe 8bitdo sn30 includes the dongle as well - the bluetooth ones don't but the sn30 which is 2.4Ghz. does include it for the $25 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074HBNNH6/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074HBNNH6/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&th=1) ) so yeah the price difference is really negligible so might stick with 8bitdo since they seem to be pretty good quality
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71MuVjA9qUL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 10, 2018, 02:06:42 pm
I think the 3rd parties got burned on making so many NES accessories nobody could use for lack of owning an NES classic. Its a shame because I would enjoy some $10 wireless controllers for my SNES. Dpad aint great on the Genesis ones but that wireless is awesome.
:cheers:
Oh absolutely. It's a shame because at first it looked like we were going to get some really cool accessories for the nes/snes classic. They fell off as soon as the supply for the consoles dried up though. It looks like the snes pads are by the same company as the nes one I bought before.... same dongle, ect. so it might be that they decided to up the price.
Thanks for the links and info JDF.... I like the 8bitdo ones, but I'm dead set on getting a clone that looks like the actual pads, even if that means I have to buy a cruddy pad with the right form factor and upgrade with parts from a better gamepad. I'm not going to do it right now though... too many projects.
Post by: Grasshopper on March 11, 2018, 04:28:49 pm
So I found this:
Wireless Gamepad (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-piece-2-4GHZ-Wireless-Controller-for-SNES-for-Super-Nintendo-Classic-MINI/32855301675.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.326.4fce1f755tZThO&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10545_10084_10083_10618_10307_5711211_10313_10059_10534_100031_10103_10627_10626_10624_10623_10622_5722411_10621_10620_10810_5711311,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=1442f5cb-3a20-458e-be1d-42239b69269c-46&algo_pvid=1442f5cb-3a20-458e-be1d-42239b69269c&transAbTest=ae803_5&priceBeautifyAB=0)
Thanks for the heads up.
Incidentally, they're also available on Ebay for about the same price. Obviously they're still shipping from China but Ebay gives you better buyer protection.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2pcs-Wireless-Controller-Gamepad-For-Super-Nintendo-SNES-Classic-Mini-Console/142714614708?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=441706615692&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2pcs-Wireless-Controller-Gamepad-For-Super-Nintendo-SNES-Classic-Mini-Console/142714614708?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=441706615692&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649)
I'm tempted to get one because I need a gamepad that will work with my SNES Classic, my tablet, and my Pi.
Post by: pbj on March 26, 2018, 09:25:32 am
So now I wait for a release.
:cheers:
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2018, 10:18:00 am
I'll slap some 32X and SegaCD games on it.
Man did I have some rose tinted glasses on for Eternal Champions : Challenge from the Dark Side. I put it on the Open Pandora's Box OS and gave it a go in my Dynamo arcade cab, CPU is ---smurfing--- brutal and honestly, the game isn't that fun :(
At first I blamed the arcade controls/Pandora emulation, then I tried again on KegaFusion and it was just as bad.
Post by: pbj on March 26, 2018, 10:30:17 am
Probably just stick Snatcher on the system, play it for 30 minutes, and never finish it. Just like I always do.
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2018, 12:06:20 pm
Probably just stick Snatcher on the system, play it for 30 minutes, and never finish it. Just like I always do.
Awww man Snatcher deserves a full play through. I bet Willy Beamish is probably playable without the WickedRetardedฎ long load times.
Road Avenger is a guilty pleasure of mine on SCD
Post by: pbj on March 26, 2018, 12:13:06 pm
Bought it on Sega CD for the enhancements. I didn't even make it out of the school.
Probably the angriest I've ever been at a video game purchase.
:timebomb:
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2018, 12:23:54 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 26, 2018, 01:42:11 pm
I remember being sega cd curious until the neighbor kid got one. I can't even remember the name of the game but after 20 minutes I got over my curiosity. I'll still probably end up getting one eventually because I'm not at all well in the head, but man that add-on had some terrible games on it.
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2018, 01:44:39 pm
Heh.... meanwhile us smart kids were playing Super Nintendo. No load times. ;)I had a SNES too, can't play Willy Beamish or Snatcher on it.
Genesis didn't have load times either /shrug
Post by: pbj on March 26, 2018, 02:02:34 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Howard_Casto on March 26, 2018, 02:09:26 pm
Post by: pbj on March 26, 2018, 02:37:40 pm
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2018, 04:22:46 pm
I've played a few min of Silpheed on emulators before. It's an interesting game because you can tell it was Sega's middle finger at Nintendo for Star Fox, but once you get into the game, the models are so tiny on screen that it probably would have looked better and made more sense to make it a traditional 2d sprite game. It's fun though.
Not for nothing, but Silpheed came out in 1986. The Sega CD port replaced the "quasi 3rd person angled background" with pre-rendered video ala Starblade. But the PC-88 version and the SegaCD version both had polygons over top their respective backgrounds. Probably the best use of Full screen video ever, the SegaCD version looks pretty great and fakes having an extremely high poly count rather well.
Don't get me wrong, StarFox is a better game but its not a real apple to apple comparison. (3rd party port of a 7yr old game vs a 1st party title developed for the system)
I'm consistant!:
I'll give some Sega CD suggestions by category. Sega didnt lose me at the Sega CD, they lost me at the 32x but won me back over with the Saturn.
Just good games:
Snatcher - Probably the best Sega CD game ever.
Final Fight CD -hands down the best port of the game sans emulation
Road Avenger - Like Dragon's Lair without Daphne annoying you, and youre driving a car, and theres a gang.
Willy Beamish - my introduction to the point and click genre
Lunar (both) -fun RPGs with great music, voice acting, and cut scenes. Everything Working Designs touched turned to gold.
Silpheed was a fantastic on rails shooter that did a good job of "faking" better graphics by putting polys on FMV
Post by: pbj on April 07, 2018, 07:06:37 pm
:cheers:
Post by: Malenko on April 07, 2018, 07:41:38 pm
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 07, 2018, 08:28:05 pm
Post by: Malenko on April 07, 2018, 08:59:56 pm
Post by: Malenko on April 07, 2018, 09:24:45 pm
Mortal Kombat II Unlimited runs fine on the Genesis Flashback, so at least some fun hacks behave on the native emulator.
:cheers:
That runs great on both the genesis cores on the SNES mini, pretty awesome hack!
Post by: pbj on April 07, 2018, 10:09:05 pm
Post by: Malenko on April 07, 2018, 10:41:33 pm
Genesis on SNES = hard pass
the only thing snes about the mini is the controller shape.
Post by: Howard_Casto on April 08, 2018, 12:08:33 am
if you have the OTG cable in + USB , only the games on the USB show up on boot. Remove the USB and the games on the internal show up.
Cool. Is it like the dual boot where a copy of the OS is on the usb or what? I'm wondering if I can do a hmod to change the skin.... might put together a bunch of self contained game lists on various spare sd cards that are too small to be useful for anything else. Like one with just tg-16 stuff on it, ect.
Post by: pbj on April 09, 2018, 09:52:45 am
Post by: Loafmeister on April 27, 2018, 01:20:45 am