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CheffoJeffo:


--- Quote from: jcterzin on February 03, 2010, 02:49:43 pm ---man, forget I asked! I feel like fists are about to be thrown. I'm not trying to step on toes, I just want to let people play arcade games!

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It happens every time the issue is raised -- everybody feels like they know more than anybody else. You get the folks who shout "EMULATION IS LEGAL" at the top of their lungs, but are silent on the matter of the 5600 ROMs that they are using without license. Then you get the "Nintendo sues everybody" folks who don't realize that Nintendo doesn't actually sue everybody (and, in some cases, doesn't even hold the right to). Throw in the "Stop disrepecting the MAMEDevs" folks and some guacamole and you have a nice little fiesta.

The simple truth of the matter is that, other than BYOACer PatentDoc, I haven't seen a post on this subject from anybody with any bonafide credentials.

And I don't really care ... everybody has their own personal level of comfort with where they draw the line.

I have games that aren't licensed (SYSFPGA MultiWilliams, 48-in-1, 60-in-1) and are in violation of the MAME license (48-in-1 and a 60-in-1). I have repro artwork that I know isn't licensed.

But, I really do care about classic arcade cabinets, particularly working classic arcade cabinets. Please don't MAME a working classic.

Do what I suggested and trade for a suitable cabinet and use that for whichever multigame option you choose.

Blanka:


--- Quote from: J.Max on February 03, 2010, 01:15:46 pm ---It's really, really complicated in the US, but the GNU Public License has been enforced in court many, many times in the US and Europe.

MySQL AB v. Progress NuSphere (2002, US)

netfilters/iptables v. Sitecom Germany (2004, this was in Germany)

gpl-violations.org vs. D-Link (2005, also in Germany)

Free Software Foundation v Cisco Inc (2007, US)

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That are no EULA cases, but copyright cases. Very, very different. Sueing a single user for violating an EULA is very obscure in law.


--- Quote from: pinballjim on February 03, 2010, 03:08:13 pm ---Nobody has sued us over it != it's legal
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But it does not make the arbitrary "rules", some bunch of people choose to set up, very strong either. We're not signing contracts before using Mame. What if you make a license for your customers in a shop that says they don't get any warranty and no refunds? That does not make your license the one to judge against! If there is law over a license means the license is checked against state law or common sense. So far the MAME license has not been tested in real world, and might be nothing more than a way to keep away problems with game-producers.

The simple thing is, you and me, and thus the mame-team, can't say what is legal and what is not. They can tell that they want you to believe it is legal, but as long as there's no jurisprudence or government made law, it's worth nothing. Law is that simple.


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on February 03, 2010, 04:13:20 pm ---But, I really do care about classic arcade cabinets, particularly working classic arcade cabinets. Please don't MAME a working classic.

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ark_ader:


--- Quote from: jcterzin on February 03, 2010, 02:49:43 pm ---man, forget I asked! I feel like fists are about to be thrown. I'm not trying to step on toes, I just want to let people play arcade games!


--- Quote ---...alright Ark Foley... what's your endgame?
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straight from the mouth of Jack Bauer, yes?


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If anyone it would be me who was stepping on toes, but I have a motive.  

I think what drew me into this discussion was the title of the thread.  Using mame in a setup would not get you thrown in Jail.

Yet I am no closer to my original question regarding the Library of Congress, DMCA and encryption hacking.   :dunno

With the issue regarding Foley....well I'm not wanting to rub that lamp.  ;D

BTW I found this thread rather amusing considering.....
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=99813.0

J.Max:


--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 03, 2010, 05:46:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: jcterzin on February 03, 2010, 02:49:43 pm ---man, forget I asked! I feel like fists are about to be thrown. I'm not trying to step on toes, I just want to let people play arcade games!


--- Quote ---...alright Ark Foley... what's your endgame?
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straight from the mouth of Jack Bauer, yes?


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If anyone it would be me who was stepping on toes, but I have a motive.  

I think what drew me into this discussion was the title of the thread.  Using mame in a setup would not get you thrown in Jail.

Yet I am no closer to my original question regarding the Library of Congress, DMCA and encryption hacking.   :dunno


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Not sure what isn't clear...I posted three cases that dealt with exactly that subject.

The Library of Congress rulings are not relevant.

RayB:


--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 03, 2010, 07:24:22 am ---I will reference Mr. Foley as he managed to get permission from the copyright owners to use his product.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060506022028/http://www.ultracade.com/about/11/corporate-profile

Can the MAME team show the same endorsement from Namco Bandai?

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Dude, just quit now. The above is alleged to be fraudulent. Ultracade is the perfect example of what happens when you DON'T have licenses and go about making a name for yourself and profit off copyright and trademark infringement.

jeez louise. Im shocked everyone forgot about this.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24691



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