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cant seem to grasp why mame is 'illegal' for commercial use
Malenko:
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--- Quote from: Malenko on February 19, 2010, 03:18:09 pm ---
the DMCA means dick anywhere else in the world.
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So you have been reading this thread.....
What does Bleem have to do with Mame? Well it was referenced in a previous post by someone who thought it was important.
You tell me. :)
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yeap back on page 2, jmax brought it up and closed the point all in the same post. Bleem reverse engineered the COPYRIGHTED sony BIOS for commercial gains, MAME reverse engineered the CPS2 non-copyright decryption for non commercial gains. Again, no parallel.
cantcha just let this thread die Ark_CHADer? beating a dead horse isnt going to change anything. you just keep bringin up the DCMA even though it doesnt apply, and you bring up the lack of commercial PSX emultors but dismiss the free ones (not withstanding the fact they arent in demand either)
I think since Im bothering to reply I'm part of the problem, so I'll stop
ark_ader:
--- Quote from: Malenko on February 19, 2010, 05:45:00 pm --- You just keep bringing up the DMCA even though it doesn't apply
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Really? Where did you find that?
Looks like we do have legal eagles in our midst.
Malenko:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 19, 2010, 05:58:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Malenko on February 19, 2010, 05:45:00 pm --- You just keep bringing up the DMCA even though it doesn't apply
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Really? Where did you find that?
Looks like we do have legal eagles in our midst.
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noooo Im an IT guy who does art work and construction to get by.
you seem to be the legal eagle, so please in stupid retard laymens terms explain to me how a US copyright law is legal precidense in Norway, Finland, Spain, etc Keep in mind, the DMCA is not the EUCD and while it was based on 2 treaties of WIPO , WIPO cannot and does not enforce it outside of US soil. The closest thing Ive found in my minutes and minutes of searching, is Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested when he was on US soil (ie he was not extradited) he was in jail for about a month, released in exchange for his testimony and on December 18, 2002 following a two-week trial in San Jose, California, a jury found that Elcomsoft (his employer) had not wilfully violated the U.S. law.
So instead of me proving why the DMCA doesnt apply , why dont you tell me why it does?
Also, you win, I posted again.
Also, I believe this thread should be moved to politic and religion, where I'll never have to see it again.
DJ_Izumi:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 19, 2010, 05:58:22 pm ---Really? Where did you find that?
Looks like we do have legal eagles in our midst.
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US Laws don't apply outside of the United States. Even things like the Berne Convention are pretty clear that only local copyright laws apply even for out of nation works. For example, in the United States copyright is maintained for 75 years after death of the creator before becoming public domain. In the Canada it's 50 years. So here in Canada everything the Disney produced untill 1966 will become public domain in 2016. In the case of corporations, it's the death of the majority share holder or owner + 50 years, and Walt died in 66. Whoever took over after him, his death + 50 years will be the next mile stone. Unless Canadian law changes before then, in six years a lot of Disney works will become public domain and there isn't a single thing anyone in the United States can legally do about it to a Canadian.
Though the general idea of copyright is pretty universal between all industrialized nations and that is summed up as 'Don't copy my ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- till I've been dead for at least 50 years.' with various exceptions between the nations.
RayB:
DJ, you're right only to an extent. The US and US corporations have done much to heavily push and pursuade other countries to revise their copyright laws and adapt to one more in line with US DMCA. Plenty of countries have been more than happy to hop on board if it means opening or expanding business ties with the US. Australia for example caved not too long ago. Nintendo just won a half million dollar judgement against an Australian seller of Nintendo DS "R4" carts as a result.
The US has pressured Canada in the same way, but we keep shooting down the proposed revisions because they ask to go too far. Major US companies, like the music and movie industries retaliated by releasing propaganda last year that Canada is some how the biggest source of movie piracy. (Was quickly proven wrong, but damage done.) But big corporations run america, so they keep pushing, and now the US's approach to solving this "problem" of Canada is to push it again in secret. The secret's out though:
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4510/125/