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SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: RayB on January 13, 2010, 09:04:42 pm ---Hey asswipes, I'm the one who brought up mining magnetic material. Some magnetic material is naturally occurring and some is man-made.
http://thescienceexperts.com/answers/where-do-magnets-come-from

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Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, apologies to Xiaou then. After trying to dig through more chapters than in War and Peace it's hard to follow his junk sometimes.


--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 14, 2010, 01:32:44 am --- They say they are releasing multiple demos over this entire months time,  so as to
be able to include peoples  "on-the-fly"  requests for specific tests.

 At the final stage, they will let anyone bring their own test equipment and test
for themselves, as well as look over their collected data to this point.
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Get back to us in February then.

Seriously. Forget this showing off ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. First thing on my agenda would be to get investors (which this guy seems to have no trouble getting  :angel: ) and scale this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- up to ginormous dimensions, set that acrylic crap spinning and undercut every power company on the planet. A guy like this wouldn't be afraid of governments kocking him off, he should be terrified of PG&E snipers.  :cheers:

What's that phrase? "The proof is in the pudding." I like chocolate.

RayB:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 14, 2010, 01:32:44 am ---Actually, its still up, under this label: "Steorn examine Orbo replication attempts"

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Yeah that's the vid, but it's a re-post. All the original comments (including a critical few that were mine) are gone.


danny_galaga:

--- Quote from: RayB on January 13, 2010, 09:04:42 pm --- Though they and their believers keep harping about "no back EMF". Ultimately, like was said above, the burden of proof/explanation is on them, not us.


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And this is the thing that gets me. Back EMF is a necessary element for an efficient electric motor. And for a generator, you need the field windings to pick up as much of the magnetic field as possible. Making electricity electro-mechanically means resistance. Which equals drag. Which means a force must be applied. A very crude analogy of what i see their machine as is an 8 cylinder car that is deliberately set up so it only ever runs on 3 cylinders. I'm referring to the retarded idea of having those windings set up so that they don't do much of anything. I suspect this is to 1) look all "nuovo scientific" and 2) less drag means it can just spin longer.

But for $1000 i'll make em something that spins magnitudes longer. All i need is some ball races, a stand, and a 200 kg steel flywheel...

Xiaou2:
Non Steorn Demo on how the Coils work



Non Steorn Demo on zeroing out Coil BEMF with proper placement




 As far as I have understood it.. Bemf is what causes ineffecient motors.  Its also what
causes the current and voltages to reverse directions as it surges.   The faster
the motor goes, the greater the bemf issue.

 As Ive understood,  the typical magnetic motor issue has to do with the 'gate'.
Where as once you pass the magnets by the attraction point where they have sped
up...  they cant pass each other without the same level of pull in reverse.  Thus, its
like putting on the brakes.    Many people Think they can solve the gate issue mechanically, but they simply end up realizing that mechanical devices consume
the power you are trying to generate.  Thus, no way to close the loop.

 With Steorns device... they are not using electronic coils for the pulling force.
The Ferrite type material is already doing to work of pulling the rotor magnets towards
it.   As soon as the two magnetic sources get near each other,  they send a small
amount of juice into the coils.  This changes the ferrites magnetic properties I believe...
neutralizing it,  so that the rotor can pass by it without Any reversed pull.

 In the process of the field collapse in the coils/core material, Somehow, they Gain a
net in current/voltage as well.  The simple act of changing the core ferrite magnetic
properties, seems to generate a Gain of output.

 The coils then seem to be used to pick up the energy, and excess energy, without any
bemf Reversals, or braking effects.  They are using this gain, to charge the battery that
is driving the system.


 This is vastly different than a typical generator, in that there is no harsh friction
and resistance to overcome... and yet, they still continue to gain energy.

 You may also not realize, that they are using magnetic bearings too.  This further
reduces friction loss, to almost nothing.

 
 As far as I have understood, they do not even need a spinning rotor at all.  They can
make a solid-state version of the technology that needs no moving parts to gain
energy.  

 They chose this method of generation merely to show excess energy in
multiple ways:  Heat from coils, Work from Rotor, and excess energy from the cores
change.   Its a lot easier for people to grasp, and harder for people to claim
that they are hiding something, using hidden electronic trickery.

 They are also trying to maintain Some proprietary secrets, such as whatever
the core material inside those coils is made of... else the competition for production
would have a huge head-start in design and development of an actual product
put to market.

 This seems to be why they originally chose an  All-Magnet version of the tech for the
Original showing years ago.  However, that was not built by them, and it failed due
to poor mechanical design, and tolerances that were very tight - getting out of whack.

Malenko:
so I can buy/make a small one and not have to plug my arcade machine into the wall? I'll take 3

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