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RayB:
Hey asswipes, I'm the one who brought up mining magnetic material. Some magnetic material is naturally occurring and some is man-made.
http://thescienceexperts.com/answers/where-do-magnets-come-from


--- Quote from: protokatie on January 13, 2010, 12:35:52 am ---Magnets can be manufactured. In fact most magnets in use today have been manufactured. Just need the correct material (even iron will work in a pinch) in a molten form in a strong magnetic field applied as it cools down. I am sure there are other ways to make something a permanent magnet, too.
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Right, and so considering the energy spent making them, we're not that better off than making and using batteries. The Orbo is just a very delicate electric motor. So far they've shown nothing that shows production of energy above what it consumes. Though they and their believers keep harping about "no back EMF". Ultimately, like was said above, the burden of proof/explanation is on them, not us.

*edit* see below:

Smoker:
CheffoJeffo has figured it out. their perpetual motion machine can only be used to power WIFI routers!
These scams ALWAYS turn out the same.
If someone ever does figure this out, they will never CARE if you believe them. they really won’t need anyone to.

protokatie:

--- Quote from: RayB on January 13, 2010, 09:04:42 pm ---Hey asswipes, I'm the one who brought up mining magnetic material. Some magnetic material is naturally occurring and some is man-made.
http://thescienceexperts.com/answers/where-do-magnets-come-from


--- Quote from: protokatie on January 13, 2010, 12:35:52 am ---Magnets can be manufactured. In fact most magnets in use today have been manufactured. Just need the correct material (even iron will work in a pinch) in a molten form in a strong magnetic field applied as it cools down. I am sure there are other ways to make something a permanent magnet, too.
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Right, and so considering the energy spent making them, we're not that better off than making and using batteries. The Orbo is just a very delicate electric motor. So far they've shown nothing that shows production of energy above what it consumes. Though they and their believers keep harping about "no back EMF" as if that's supposed to mean anything, and yet no one can explain how/why that's a great and wonderful thing. Which like was said above, the burden of proof/explanation is on them, not us.



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Oh don't get me wrong. I wasn't defending Tigger's little gadget, I was just pointing out that magnets were typically manufactured. The device Tigger got all worked up about is obviously a scam or maybe just a publicity stunt.

RayB:
*Note*
To be fair to Xiau's original intent, Steorn finally posted their videos demonstrating part of the device. (They had posted a video yesterday talking about the Orbo copies people have built and posted videos of on Youtube, but they seem to have taken that video down).

However once again, it's just a partial explanation and there will be yet another presentation next week going into energy generation:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SteornOfficial#p/u/4/bzcZDr1AcEU

Xiaou2:
Actually, its still up, under this label: "Steorn examine Orbo replication attempts"

 They say they are releasing multiple demos over this entire months time,  so as to
be able to include peoples  "on-the-fly"  requests for specific tests.

 At the final stage, they will let anyone bring their own test equipment and test
for themselves, as well as look over their collected data to this point.

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