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Samstag:
I think this is the real deal.  I know thousands of charlatans, scam artists, and fools have tried to produce free energy and failed, but this guy seems ot have everything figured out.  I mean, why didn't we think of eliminating back-emf?  And tordial coils?  Sheer genius!  I'm sold.













But my mechanical turk is telling me this guy is a fraud.

Xiaou2:

 It does charge the batteries, however, not enough to keep it going forever.  But,
It is also expelling a lot of heat energy.  According to them, this heat energy makes
up for the losses, and still has excess to spare.


 There is one thing we know... and that is that people who usually devise some crazy
device who believe they have overunity, simply do not have the intellect, skills, and
money/equipment  to test it.    The rest are most likely scammers.


 Steorn however, is made up of engineers, and they have the skills, money, and
equipment.

  One thing that strikes me... is that not many people in their right mind would
buy an entire full page article in a popular publication... let alone rent out a
huge building for a public display.  Not to mention... the abuses they probably take
every day from the hardcore bashers.   To me, it speaks that they Real believe they
have something.

 
 Steorn's  "Jury"  supposedly got together and said they would not claim the tech was
overunity unless they saw the full monty.   Steorn was not ready to show it all...
and hey, you cant blame them for trying to be careful.  More then likely, they gave the
scientist enough to make their test and decision... but they didnt want to do it.

 I suppose you cant be surprised at this... considering that even IF their test were
positive... the scientists careers may have been ruined by reputation if the device
itself didnt work as it was supposed to.

 
 As for the cancellation:

 1) They have already done One demonstration already.  This says a lot.  It also
gave away some of the actual technology behind the concepts that they were first
only spouting.

 2) The weather was incredibly nasty here today.  I watched a car spin out on the
expressway in front of me... almost hitting me.   I can imagine many others having
travel problems... and being that these key people may be the ones who can help
validate the device... Its probably a good idea to postpone the event.  (Tho admittedly,
Im disappointed)


 Newman has some interesting concepts.  May have actually inspired Steorn, leading
them to the tordial discovery.   But the guy is whacky for sure.

SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 08, 2010, 05:54:24 pm ---  Their claim is that the device creates more energy output than what is
being fed into it.
--- End quote ---

I'm sincerely sorry but this claim alone should raise many red flags with anyone. I initially stopped reading the rest of the post as soon as I saw this.

Then I felt bad and wanted to give Xiaou some benefit of the doubt. I thought maybe he had a point he wanted to cross. But try as I might, I just couldn't bring myself to actually read the post, but instead I found myself just skimming while I wait for the scanner to finish.

I then spotted this small tidbit.


--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 08, 2010, 10:36:24 pm --- Steorn's  "Jury"  supposedly got together and said they would not claim the tech was
overunity unless they saw the full monty.   Steorn was not ready to show it all...
and hey, you cant blame them for trying to be careful.  More then likely, they gave the
scientist enough to make their test and decision... but they didnt want to do it.
--- End quote ---

This alone raises a lot of stink. I have a book of PMM history and this is the number one common thread through all of them. The engineers almost never want to completely reveal the fundamental workings of their machines.

Any decent company, group or whatever will whip out their NDA, load the lawyers into their six shooters and show the scientists that count, the technology.

Sorry Xiaou. There's quite a bit of undiscovered science waiting to be unraveled out there, this isn't one of them.

Bobulus:
I'm not sure how old Xiaou is, being fairly new to the community, but I remember when back in high school I fell completely and utterly for a Argument from authority logical fallacy like this, so I try to be nice and not just tell people that they're wrong to their face.

But yeah, this is almost sure to be total BS. Not showing all the specs, over-unity, overcomplicated designs, etc. These are all signs of fraud.

(The one I fell for, for the record, was the author of the Dilbert books talking in one of his books about a scientific experiment he's read about that showed time travel was possible. I believed it whole-heartedly, since it was from a successful person and it was printed in a book. Turned out he was just really misinterpreting the double-slit experiment. It took a high school science teacher giving me a look of pity as I excitedly explained it to him before I engaged my brain and thought about it.)

SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: Bobulus on January 09, 2010, 01:14:04 am ---(The one I fell for, for the record, was the author of the Dilbert books talking in one of his books about a scientific experiment he's read about that showed time travel was possible. I believed it whole-heartedly, since it was from a successful person and it was printed in a book. Turned out he was just really misinterpreting the double-slit experiment. It took a high school science teacher giving me a look of pity as I excitedly explained it to him before I engaged my brain and thought about it.)

--- End quote ---

Wow, time travel? I don't think I ever got that far with that experiment. I only went so far as to use it as proof of existence of a multi-verse (multi-planes, parallel dimensions, whatever). Though I guess one could theoretically travel through time as a inherent side effect of planes jumping if one could do such a thing. After that, I pretty much inhaled any book on anything remotely resembling pseudo-science. Loch Ness? Check. Fake Lunar landing? Check. Visiting aliens? Check. Time Travel. Multiple-planes. Doppelgangers. Hitler alive. Russian mind control experiments. Philadelphia experiment. SL-1 conspiracies. Check x 6.   

In any case, my fallacy was reading Chariots of the Gods? at such a young age. It took years for the logic gears to finally start functioning properly. Probably happened when I read a book by Joseph Davidovits* which presented a far more compelling argument than visiting aliens.







* Just because I mention Joseph Davidovits does not mean I promote his theories. However in the context of Joseph Davidovits' theory vs the alien theory presented by Erich von Däniken. Joseph Davidovits is far more believable and more readily tested. Completely discarding Erich von Däniken's theories is further encouraged when one discovers his refusal to update or modify his book when new information come to light, even when he admits inaccuracies like the section on the iron pillar of Delhi.  :dunno

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