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AtomSmasher:
Just watched their announcement videos and I still think they're full of it. When it comes to the highly improbable, I tend to disbelieve until it is proven to be true (or at least proven to be highly likely). Until this company manages to prove some of their outrageous claims, I will not buy into what they are saying. I used to be a very gullible person, but I learned my lesson long ago that there are a lot of liars in the world, especially when money is involved.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 10, 2010, 02:22:09 pm ---
Most average people dont file patents until they are near production level.
--- End quote ---
Applying for the grant earlier decreases the duration of your patent-created monopoly while your product is on the shelf. Waiting until your product is near production level before patenting it means you will earn more, not less money. But if you're worried about someone else independently inventing the same thing or stealing your idea it is cheaper to patent early anyway.
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 10, 2010, 02:22:09 pm ---
Once you Do put in a patent, you are dealing with People. That person doing
the filing only has to make a few phone calls to some companies, stall your
application, and have them submit their own... then deny or "Lose" yours.
Or, they simply falsify the date of the fake Granted patent.
--- End quote ---
Oh Xiaou . . . you're cute. Does this sort of thing actually keep you up at night, even though it has never happened? Once you've filed a patent you have a paper trail that makes this impossible. Even if it was possible you talk like this is inevitably what you will run into if you attempt to file a patent. Why are you so afraid of the world? It is simply not like that.
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 10, 2010, 02:22:09 pm ---
Not only that, but any company can just about copy your device, make a few small
changes... and still put a competing product out...
--- End quote ---
No, they can't. If your innovation was not obvious and you got a patent on it and someone else uses it, they're screwed. Look at the rumbling features in videogame console gamepads. When immersion sued, Microsoft had the sense to settle, but Sony fought it, suggesting that their use of two motors made what they were doing different. $100 million is what Sony had to pay Immersion, and then they had to license Immersion's technology in order to make the Dual Shock 3. This legal trouble is the reason the PS3 initially came with a rumble-free Sixaxis controller.
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 10, 2010, 02:22:09 pm ---
I find it funny and Sad that you believe your system is Honest and works as
its supposed to
--- End quote ---
The system does work. It's absurd to think otherwise. It could work much better as the Patent office lacks the manpower it needs. Perhaps a 10 or 30 year monopoly would be better than 20 years. Maybe companies making life-saving devices (cure for cancer or something) should be required to license out their invention for a reasonable royalty rather than taking full advantage of their artificial monopoly while people are dying who can't afford the remedy. Sure there are myriad ways to arguably make the system better or worse, but the system is not failing in any of the ways you suggest. Not any of them.
Do you think that the average Joe would be in a better position vis a vis corporations absent the patent system? Are you mad? Without the patent system corporations actually would do all the crazy things you suggest. Every time. It would be impossible for a regular person to get credit (and rich) from his invention. The second it was out it would be reverse-engineered and a far better-marketed knock off would be sold for less money by a major corporation with giant manufacturing and advertising capabilities as well as vast distribution channels. Plus that company would have no R&D costs to recoup, since you did all the work for them. The hilarious thing is that the utter nonsense world you think we live in as a result of the patent system actually would become a reality if you got rid of the patent system.
Xiaou, if you really want to ---smurfette--- about the patent system being abused think a little bit about the enormous bargaining power that comes along with injunction. Let's say Honda makes a new Civic and you realize that a 50 cent component in the drive train violates one of your patents. Honda is innocent. They did their due diligence and thought they had rights to everything in the car. But they designed a 50 cent part and didn't realize that it violated an existing patent. And that means that if you take them to court you're most likely gonna get a temporary injunction on the sale of Honda Civics until the litigation is resolved. Think of the millions and millions of dollars Honda will lose during a week or a month or two months or however long this takes until the litigation is finished. Honda's not in a position to pay you fair market value for your contribution to the car. They're not paying you a royalty, they're paying you a ransom because you will hold their entire line of civics hostage until they pay whatever you demand. And they'll pay it. They have no choice. It's just business.
RayB:
The jury's results were...
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/23/jury-reports-that-st.html
But regardless, let's say they can use magnets and generate electricity with their device. Then what? It's still a finite resource. Magnets don't keep their same magnetism forever. What do we do when we run out of magnetic material to mine? We're no better off.
I'm much more inclined to believe this guy's answer to our energy crisis:
http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_cowley_fusion_is_energy_s_future.html
(Xiau, you're better off feeding your brain with real stuff like that. Real science.)
*edit* I think SalimFadhley (25th November 2009 02:26 PM post) here hits the nail on the head:
http://www.ukskeptics.com/showthread.php/823-Steorn-Orbo/page3
*edit 2* I LOVE the commentary on this page. Says it all:
http://boingboing.net/2009/12/16/steorns-orbo-free-en.html
Ed_McCarron:
--- Quote from: RayB on January 11, 2010, 01:00:41 am ---What do we do when we run out of magnetic material to mine? We're no better off.
--- End quote ---
Then, we use the output of the device to power electromagnets that then power the device that then powers electromagnets.
Oh, wait...
Xiaou2:
Im not gona waste much time on this... But this particular quote ticked me off
"Sony fought it"
Any multimillion dollar company can afford to run a lawsuit, or fight a companys
lawsuit.
You think the average Joe is Really gona be able to do that? Nope. They cant
even cover the cost of the lawyers. And if a Lawyer Does decide to hop on,
they will be doing a 95% take on the cash rewards. The rest will go to taxes,
and to cover your 5yrs in court without a job. Ohh, wait, you cant afford to
fight a case for 5yrs with no income? My goodness. You might as well just
bend over and take it.
(This all assumes you can even afford to Patent something! According to what
Ive heard, its a lengthy and costly process in itself... And that assumes that the
patent officer didnt steal your idea and sell it to another company, falsifying dates
on their phoney patents..)
And even if you Did manage to get a win with a crook lawyer (most all of them),
you most likely are not going to get high dollar reward like the case you mentioned.
Not even close.
Only high dollar lawyers MIGHT get you high rewards. And more than likely, you will
also need a sizable company. A mere patent on a controller by a single 20yr old
individual isnt going to get squat even if his was first.
The system is Geared towards keeping the small guys down. And when that
small guy tries to compete... he gets buried by legalized monopolies, shady activities,
phony accusations, bogus rulings, family/him threatened, false imprisonment,
and or death. And or he has to give up 7/10 or more of what he SHOULD be getting
to some knee-breakers behind closed doors.
The people who succeed, are people who have friends in Powerful places... and those
people are forever locked in place. Their souls Sold. Forever in some form of debt,
and more than likely, some unscrupulous predicaments.
No, Im not scared of the World one bit. More less, Im Disgusted by it.
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