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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 08, 2010, 10:36:24 pm --- Steorn's  "Jury"  supposedly got together and said they would not claim the tech was
overunity unless they saw the full monty.   Steorn was not ready to show it all...
and hey, you cant blame them for trying to be careful.  More then likely, they gave the
scientist enough to make their test and decision... but they didnt want to do it.

 I suppose you cant be surprised at this... considering that even IF their test were
positive... the scientists careers may have been ruined by reputation if the device
itself didnt work as it was supposed to.

--- End quote ---

To be fair, as I don't have the energy to debate this one on anything other than the science (which I would LOVE to work), this seems to me to be mischaracterization of the events (academic connections do come in handy sometimes and my brother is teh smrt scientist guy). The jury was never provided with a working model or even results from a working model -- only with some inconclusive prior test data -- because Steorn hadn't actually been able to make the damned thing work.

My mind remains open (although without the hole in my head that lets the rain come in, so my mind wanders) and I would love to see the revolution in science that would occur from a positive result.

But I believe that we need to hold Steorn to a reasonable level of proof ... and I mean a stricter level than those who believe that we are being surveilled by our televisions.

 :cheers:

shmokes:
I don't give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- whether they even let the scientists work it over.  If they have had a working device for years, why have they not started selling it?  Better yet, why have they not started selling power?  They would become one of the biggest, richest companies in the world.  It's so hilarious [read: sad] that people like Xiaou make people like Steorn possible.

CheffoJeffo:
I have no problem with seemingly crazy non-confirmists keeping companies like Steorn running. It doesn't hurt me and just maybe they aren't crazy.

OTOH, I have a hugh problem with folks who come in late and proselytize without the first clue as to what they are talking about, then talking about other people keeping open minds ... while they are talking about death trains and how we are being watched by our televisions.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---Xiaou, you can't assume everything true until proven false. It's impossible to live that way. I can't believe you believe that anyway.

I have no malicious intent in telling you that I am skeptical about this invention. If anything, I only say something because I believe it harmful for people to put their hopes in something that most likely won't work.

--- End quote ---


 You got me wrong.  I look on this as "Its very possible".  Not  "OMG, they did it!".
I AM Skeptical.  But Im NOT the kind of Skeptic that immediately starts saying
"Thats Impossible", "Thats BS!", and hurling insanity insults..etc.    Thats exactly the
kind of Mob-Esc  responses that is comming from many So called Scientists... among the
rest.

 That is what I look down upon.  And trust me, that this kind of thing happens ALL the
time in the Scientific community.   Scientists who venture on the not so well traveled
paths, or work against what is believed to be rock solid... get Stoned, shunned, and
bashed.

 And you take a man like Nikola Tesla... who was willing to give the world free energy... and what happens???   He was Buried by men of great wealth and power, and then
his image was smeared... Painted to make him look like he was Crazy.   He was Not
crazy.  He was a Genius.  But, its very easy to make people believe something by
merely printing up some Bunk in the "ALMIGHTY Truthful Newspapers". 

(Sarcasm /on)  As we all know, NOBODY would dare print something false in
the Media!  (sarcasm off/  )

 Also, I dont see a problem with people having Hope.   So what if that hope gets
dissapointed.   Thats the reality of life.   Its when we Stop hoping,  we become
dead inside.  Negative.  Too cynical.   Its Hope that Drives us.  And its Hope that may
Save us.  Even if we have to endure a mass of failures... Maybe, just maybe... one
day the Hope of one small group will give us something that will propel mankind to
a new level.   

 I for one, certainly do Hope that Steorn can pull off their Technology.   My biggest
concern hasnt been if its a scam or not.  That simply does not effect my life at all...as
I didnt invest in it.  But more about weather the anomoly can be harnessed effectively.
I mean... if the thing is only 1% overunity... wouldnt you have to build a device as
big as a "State" just to justify any real output levels?   It probably wouldnt be worth
the maintenance or cost of construction.   Anyways... it does not hurt me one bit if
it fails or not... but if it Does succeed, it may benefit us all.


shmokes - You are truly Naive to think that the Patent system works For the people.
There are Glaring occurrences where it basically can be proven that the person who
submitted an invention to the patent office was ROBBED and Raped.  And the lawsuit that followed, was bought and paid for, and so failed.  The patent system is a JOKE.

 The Govt. more than likely Does have the Technology.  However, that does not make
wealth.  And that does Not make the world turn.  Just as Gold does not make a
country any more powerful.

 Most of the Jobs that people do today are menial.  They could be done completely
by computer in Auto-Pilot mode... Or simply by Robotics,  or self-service.   Yet, to a
large degree, People are still doing these menial jobs.  Why?   Because the leaders
know that without work, people may mass up and riot... and destroy everything.

 You can not just walk over to Taiwan, and buy it, or even buy property there.
The rules exists that prevent such things.  No matter how much money you have,
you are limited by the rules of the land.

 And if you Think that all these different countries are not operating in some organized
cooperation system now... You would be mistaken.   The only exception might be north Korea... and you can bet people are working on changing that shortly.  (We just have to finish corrupting the middle east first)


--- Quote ---Xiaou, as you already said, these guys supposedly had this tech working years ago and they canceled their demonstration because a bearing in their device malfunctioned.
--- End quote ---

 Not so.  They had a positive Test result from a "magnetic interaction".  You can see
this on their explanation video.  It looks like a magnet spinning slowly on a shaft,
passing by what looks like another magnet / sensor... and the results shown on a
scope.

 They later built a magnetic device based on the conceps of this finding.   The
device supposedly spun for a long time.  Maybe days...   SO they decided to display it.
However... something happened, which caused failure to occur.
 
 My guess, is that the device was just too small and suseptable to tiny changes.
Bearings were blamed... but even with proper bearings, they probably realized that
the device was not enough to show...  so went back into developing something more
robust.


 My biggest problem with people like you... is that you are willing to throw a bunch
of stones without even watching a single 3 min video... let alone 2 or 3, and some
additional research for yourself.

boykster:
I don't believe in Santa Claus or free energy  :dunno :burgerking:

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