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AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: Bobulus on January 09, 2010, 01:14:04 am ---I'm not sure how old Xiaou is, being fairly new to the community, but I remember when back in high school I fell completely and utterly for a Argument from authority logical fallacy like this, so I try to be nice and not just tell people that they're wrong to their face.
--- End quote ---
If you stick around here long enough you'll see that X has a tendency to believe in the unbelievable. I used to partake in arguing against him, but then I realized that once his mind is set, no amount of evidence could change it and decided it was no longer worth my time.
Xiaou2:
Firstly, if I were had money, and was asked to Invest my money into Steorn,
I would say no.
But, that does not mean that they have not stumbled upon something useful...
or even Revolutionary.
Just because there are a million scammers out there, does not negate the
possibility.
In fact, thats what Science is all about. Infinite Possibilities.
If you would have told people even 100 yrs ago, about Quantum Mechanics, they
would have laughed you out of the office, and locked you up in a straight jacket.
This is the sad nature of humanity is seems. Wanting to believe everything they
have been brought up to believe is Rock Solid. That there is nothing left to discover
or know. That they are Never wrong... because, that would violate their egos. And
the mockings brought on by fear and egotistical attitudes.
We all know that the mass majority once thought the earth was flat. We find
it so amazingly incredible that people once thought that... and yet, those people
believed it without a doubt. Were willing to bask and mock anyone... stoning them
like an angry mob. And maybe even locking people up over it. (or execution)
Today... Not ONE single Scientist can tell us how we were created. They think it
was some "Big Bang", but cant specify what put that material there in the
first place. They cant justify the REALITY that they live in.. and how very little they
do know... But yet, they can Mock and Bash based on what they THINK they know?
Until you know Every fact possible... then you DONT KNOW. And as far as Ive seen,
its only the people who ACCEPT that they are not sure about things... that Actually
make new discoveries.
Then again... How lessened would the glory of new victories be without all those
egged faces?! hehe
The biggest problem with Free Energy is that its Free. Nobody can make any money
off a free energy device. Even if it is true, no Govt., no controlling force, will allow it.
Why? The controlling forces believe that people left unchecked, with unlimited power,
could create mass chaos and destruction. Not to mention, that any one person with
unlimited power theoretically could become a ruler merely due to power they output.
There surely Have been people who were not willing to share their devices inner
workings. And hey, "News Flash" if you show a Smart bunch of people your
successful device... What percentage of money do you think you would had gained from
it? I can cite example after example of people Screwed out of their due payment.
One such person? The inventor of the Electronic board game "Dark Tower". Shown to
the toy company... Turned down... Them later to produce it... And only after his
lawsuit, getting a Tiny portion of what he Should have gotten from it. Some are not
even lucky as him.
Anf KFC isnt exactly giving its Recipe away to anyone. They made the stuff, and kept the formula secret. And as a result, they continue to be the best selling chicken franchise.
As far as Ive understood, Steorn gave the people all the knowledge they needed to
make a valid judgment. In a video, it even shows some engineers/scientist who
had seen the initial test rig. They were allowed to do ANYTHING they wanted to it...
including taking it all apart. None of them could find Any fault with Steorns findings...
and they were very skeptical going in.
If one searches Youtube, you can even find a mini magnetic toy prototype. I think this
may also have been shown to the Jury. It certainly Was shown to someone prominent,
and he was on another video talking about it.
You know... I dont know if Steorn is real or not. I tend to believe that they probably
are. But Im fine with being wrong. But what I dont get... are people who are
the very definition of the Old Witch Hunters. The people who make assumptions
without any knowledge of the device... Any 'Real' evidence... People who bash and
stone others merely because they feel offended or scared... or somehow feel mentally
superior to them. Do you really think that bad attitude will bring anything good?
Our very own Frizzle constantly Bashed a fellow collector / creator... Saying that
he was a fraud and a rotten scoundrel. And yet... is that true? Well, I suppose we
shall see in a few days. If it IS true... then Frizzle gets his Ego padded. But what
if he was completely off base?
He would have then created a ton of negativity over nothing. His Witch hunting
tactics may have caused bad blood between Us and a Good Manufacturer.
There is Nothing wrong with being Skeptical. Im a HUGE skeptic. I dont trust
ANYTHING. But, I dont send angry emails or post massive negative drivel on message boards all over the place, based on a Suspicion.
Having an Open Mind, is far more important than people realize.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 09, 2010, 02:53:48 am ---
Having an Open Mind, is far more important than people realize.
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As is having a critical mind. There's a helluva lot more ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- out there than truth, Xiaou. Yesterday I'm driving along (actually I'm in the passenger seat, wife is driving) and some --cream-filled twinkie-- backs out of his driveway into the road without looking and clips my car just behind the back wheel. He got out of the car, "That was entirely my fault. I'm so sorry. Can we just take care of this? I don't want my insurance to go up. Look, I drive a porche, it's no problem. I promise you I can take care of this, blah blah blah." I told him I'm sorry, but I don't know him. I don't care if he pays for the damage or his insurance does, but I gotta call the cops. Of course, when the cops arrived his story changed. Now his car was stationary. Never moved, and mine swerved into his driveway and hit him. Do you think for a second that I ever would have seen a cent of money from this --cream-filled twinkie-- if I hadn't called the cops (luckily it was obvious from the damage and the location of the vehicles that he was lying). You should be immediately skeptical of everything you hear. Everything.
Xiaou, as you already said, these guys supposedly had this tech working years ago and they canceled their demonstration because a bearing in their device malfunctioned. Why has it taken this long to replace a bearing?
As for your conspiracy theories, they just don't pan out. Sure if a single company invents the tech they would rather keep a monopoly on it forever, but that's just not practical. You either patent it and get a 20-year monopoly, or you hope nobody else can figure it out, cos if they do they will patent it preventing you, the first inventor, from selling your own invention. There are billions of dollars to be made in free energy for the company that develops and patents the device that can bring said free energy. That's why even a power company has to market a product like this if they come up with it. Cos their power business will be destroyed no matter who brings this product to market, but at least if they bring it to market they can survive with the new revenue stream while all other power companies will simply disappear into irrelevance.
But put evil corporations aside for a second, you even claim that governments would want to suppress a technology like this. LMAO. Do you have any idea how quickly the government controlling this technology would become the richest in the world? They could provide free unlimited power to all their citizens and corporations. They could sell power to every other country at any cost, undercutting the prices charged by every power provider in every country in the world. If the US government had this technology our national debt would disappear by the end of the year.
Nobody can make any money off free energy? Are you mad? Free energy simply means that your profit margins are equal to your revenue. Just because the energy is free to you doesn't mean it is free to the people you sell it to. Electricity is very expensive to produce. If you learn to produce it more efficiently, reducing costs, you can increase profit margins. If you continue in that direction and learn to produce it for free, guess which direction your profit margins continue to go . . .
Think critically
Bobulus:
Xiaou, you can't assume everything true until proven false. It's impossible to live that way. I can't believe you believe that anyway.
I have no malicious intent in telling you that I am skeptical about this invention. If anything, I only say something because I believe it harmful for people to put their hopes in something that most likely won't work.
You talk about what science doesn't yet know. Well, the only way you can ever figure things like this out is by starting with a set of assumptions, and testing each assumption in turn, learning and making new assumptions as you go. This is the Scientific Method we've used for thousands of years to get where we are now. True, sometimes old assumptions get corrected with new data, but on the whole, it's an upward slope. To throw everything out now because the facts don't agree with what you want the world to be like just doesn't work. You need evidence, something that, so far, the developers have failed to produce.
danny_galaga:
I saw the word 'free energy' and my eyes glazed over ;D
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