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Kevin Mullins:


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 02, 2010, 09:53:33 am ---Having said that, I have been entertaining modifying the artwork because, as tok points out, the placement of the reverse button is too far to be convenient. I already have my Joust cocktail so am considering "deJousting" my Mw and moving the damned button. Or I could just use black vinyl like is on there now. :P

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I see what you guys are saying about the reverse button and all...... but also just noticed there seems to be different "already modified" versions of this artwork.

http://vectorlib.free.fr/MultiWilliams/ - Reverse button closer, but lower / Hyperspace button lower than Inviso button

http://www.arcadeoverlays.com/fullView.asp?sf=y&nb=1&id=%27250278371%27&img=http://images.marketplaceadvisor.channeladvisor.com/hi/60/60416/mwcposmall.jpg - Reverse button higher, but farther / Hyperspace button level with Inviso button.

There are definitely other variants I've noticed between a few of them now that I'm looking at more than one. Guess anyone shopping for one really needs to look at them closely first.

I guess in my case the guy I was going to make the panel for already has an overlay, but I need to double check and see exactly which CPO he has before I can even make the panel. (I think he has the version with the higher reverse button)

And to think this was one of those "sure, I can cut ya a rectangle and drill some holes in it" jobs.
 :dizzy:

jukingeo:


--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 02, 2010, 09:53:33 am ---
jukingeo: I'm not sure I see your problem -- since you are making a custom panel, what do you need original measurements for (I may have missed something) ? If you want the AI files for the art to rescale or adjust, they can be found in Zorg's archive:

http://vectorlib.free.fr/MultiWilliams/


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Ok, the reason why I am interested in the original layout is because of the SPACING of the controls.  When you scale down a CPO...especially in width, this spacing changes, so that means buttons and joystick spacing will all be closer together than optimal.  This  is why I wanted to know what the exact measurements are in regards to the button spacing.  I would like to maintain that.

I did think that it might be possible to print out an overlay and work from there making my own measurements, however, recently I have noticed that there are different variants of the Multi-Williams CPO...so really how would I know which one is correct?

I don't have expensive programs such as photo shop so I really can't break down the panel to the individual elements and make one from scratch.  I really wanted to avoid that route because I know it will take quite a bit more time. 

If you ever looked at the work done by Spacies and LeapInLew on their Multi-Williams bartop cabinets then you would clearly see what I mean.  I had tried to PM both fellows but no response.   Their projects dated back to 2006 (and prior) so I am not even sure they still post here.

As of now it does look like I would probably have to create a custom panel, even though I don't like the idea of it.  But I would still need the button/joystick placement measurements.   Since the AI file you linked to is scalable, I MIGHT be able to get those measurements from there.  We will see.


--- Quote from: spystyle on January 02, 2010, 10:20:07 am ---Oh I found that overlay for sale here :

http://www.arcadeoverlays.com/storefrontprofiles/DeluxeSFItemDetail.aspx?sid=1&sfid=17232&c=383928&i=250278371

I think they print your supplied artwork, so you could have them print the sideart as well :)

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Side art for the cabinet wouldn't be a problem as long as it is scalable.   I could adjust that up and down or as you pointed out, the company could do that for me.   It is really the control panel that is the tough one.   I don't know, I think at this state I just have to use one of those scalable control panel files to create a printout and work from there.

Thanx,

Geo

jukingeo:


--- Quote from: Kevin Mullins on January 02, 2010, 02:11:20 pm ---
I see what you guys are saying about the reverse button and all...... but also just noticed there seems to be different "already modified" versions of this artwork.

There are definitely other variants I've noticed between a few of them now that I'm looking at more than one. Guess anyone shopping for one really needs to look at them closely first.
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Correct, I have noticed the same thing between the two sources.  Also what is labeled the "Normal" panel differs from the "Small" panel.  So I looked around at others that were selling overlays and I can see further inconsistencies.


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I guess in my case the guy I was going to make the panel for already has an overlay, but I need to double check and see exactly which CPO he has before I can even make the panel. (I think he has the version with the higher reverse button)

And to think this was one of those "sure, I can cut ya a rectangle and drill some holes in it" jobs.
 :dizzy:

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Ooo, yeah that is going to be a tough one for you.  I guess you will have to check which company he bought the CPO from.   Hopefully the company has a vector file and you could print out the exact control panel.  Still better yet, it would be much easier if the guy sent you the CPO...then there would be no question about the results.

But this finding now has thrown me for a loop and now I understand why there really aren't any postings of measurements for the Williams Multi-Game CP.  They seem to vary.

I think in terms of button spacing I am going to use the Defender spacing and fudge the location of the middle joystick.   I am moving the Inviso button anyway.  The reverse button is in the correct position and I could just copy the spacing the buttons on the right side have for the extra left side button I want to install.  While I may have to redo the entire planned artwork for the control panel, at  least I can get as far to make up a mock up of a panel in my planned size and then do some testing to see if the resulting size 'feels' right.

In terms of the Defender spacing, I have the same file you put up in your original post so I will work from that.

However, I still think it would be a good idea to document the spacing of the different Multi-Williams control panels and post that as a sticky.   The average newbie will not notice the discovery we made and if they drill out a panel for Multi-Williams and buy one from another source, the CPO will not match the panel cutouts.

In your case though, I think it is best that you get a hold of that CPO from the guy you are making the panel for...otherwise you both could be in for a surprise.

Geo



Kevin Mullins:


--- Quote from: jukingeo on January 02, 2010, 02:39:33 pm ---However, I still think it would be a good idea to document the spacing of the different Multi-Williams control panels and post that as a sticky.   The average newbie will not notice the discovery we made and if they drill out a panel for Multi-Williams and buy one from another source, the CPO will not match the panel cutouts.

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That's kinda what I was thinking. Even though there are a few variations of the typical Multi panel, there really aren't THAT many. So a layout for the most common ones would be handy.


--- Quote from: jukingeo on January 02, 2010, 02:39:33 pm ---In your case though, I think it is best that you get a hold of that CPO from the guy you are making the panel for...otherwise you both could be in for a surprise.

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Luckily he's only about 25 miles from me and I usually frequent down there, just the weather and holidays and such have kept me from going anywhere or doing much lately.


CheffoJeffo:


--- Quote from: jukingeo on January 02, 2010, 02:24:04 pm ---I did think that it might be possible to print out an overlay and work from there making my own measurements, however, recently I have noticed that there are different variants of the Multi-Williams CPO...so really how would I know which one is correct?
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To be fair, there have always been multiple versions, even before people started modifying the Phoenix version to fit their needs (e.g. don't buy an ArcadeShop MW CP and expect it to work with the Phoenix artwork). So, short answer is ... there is no single correct version and it is only getting worse with the recent explosion of MW cabs (thanks jrok!).


--- Quote from: jukingeo on January 02, 2010, 02:24:04 pm ---If you ever looked at the work done by Spacies and LeapInLew on their Multi-Williams bartop cabinets then you would clearly see what I mean.  I had tried to PM both fellows but no response.   Their projects dated back to 2006 (and prior) so I am not even sure they still post here.
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I haven't seen spacies on any of the boards in recent memory -- the last time I chatted with him was last March concerning the translucent buttons that he used on his MW panel. He was spending time on KLOV for a while, but I haven't seen him there lately. Lew is probably off somewhere chasing Cheetos.


--- Quote from: jukingeo on January 02, 2010, 02:24:04 pm ---As of now it does look like I would probably have to create a custom panel, even though I don't like the idea of it.  But I would still need the button/joystick placement measurements.   Since the AI file you linked to is scalable, I MIGHT be able to get those measurements from there.  We will see.
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You should be able to get the spacing from there (sizing is embedded in the file).

Consider giving Inkscape and Gimp a try if you aren't looking to pay $$$ or download demo versions of Adobe products.



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