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Kevin Mullins:
Maybe I have missed it searching around the site, but anyone have a layout for the Phoenix Arcade CPO drawn up like the one I found for the standard Defender panel ?

Was going to do the woodwork for someone, but I don't the overlay itself handy to work off.
Wanted to just cut and drill and hand it over type thing.
We're doing a standard Defender control panel, not the rounded over Stargate, Robotron, etc panel.

jukingeo:

--- Quote from: Kevin Mullins on January 01, 2010, 05:31:36 pm ---Maybe I have missed it searching around the site, but anyone have a layout for the Phoenix Arcade CPO drawn up like the one I found for the standard Defender panel ?

Was going to do the woodwork for someone, but I don't the overlay itself handy to work off.
Wanted to just cut and drill and hand it over type thing.
We're doing a standard Defender control panel, not the rounded over Stargate, Robotron, etc panel.



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Hello Kevin,

I just have to do a BIG LOL, as I made a similar post today in regards to the measurements for a Multi-Williams CP layout.   However, I can safely say that there isn't anything posted here in regards to the Multi-Williams CP measurements.  There is plenty on just a straight Defender panel though.  In fact I found a thread in which someone documented the full dimensions of the whole Defender cabinet.

In my case I am looking to create a smaller version of the Multi-Williams control panel for a bar top cabinet.  However, I wanted to have an idea of what the original measurements are so I could scale it down.

Two fellows here, Spacies and LeapInLew have both created bartop/cocktail Multi Williams cabinets with exactly what I am looking for...however, a PM to both has thusfar came up with zilch.   The posts though are pretty old, going back to 2006.  So it is likely that either poster no longer regularly visits this site.

At any rate my purpose for a Multi-Williams panel goes beyond just Multi-Williams games.  As it turns out the Multi-Williams panel with a slight modification of the placement of one of the buttons, can play about 90% of the Mame games out there.   I eventually would build a full size cabinet that would allow changing of the control panels, but the main panel would be a Multi-Williams.   But for now space is a problem and a smaller bar top cabinet would be sufficient enough for my needs.

At any rate, since both of us are looking for the same thing...just give me a shout out on my post (a few down from here) if you hear anything.  I will do the same.   Sadly though, no one has responded to my post as of yet either.   I do find it surprising that the Multi-Williams panel's button placement measurements have not been documented here.  But I have found at least three threads that offer the measurements for Defender and one for Stargate.

Geo
TOK:
I don't have the artwork you need, but you're doing the right thing. The Reverse button placement on the Multi-Williams panel is really bad... Too high up and far away.
spystyle:
Does this help ?

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jukingeo:

--- Quote from: TOK on January 01, 2010, 11:11:37 pm ---I don't have the artwork you need, but you're doing the right thing. The Reverse button placement on the Multi-Williams panel is really bad... Too high up and far away.


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That isn't exactly what I meant, but I am aware of that problem as well.  I actually wanted to move the "Inviso" button next to the Reverse button.  This would in effect move the Reverse button closer to that joystick as well.

Why? might you ask?  Well, with the button arrangement like that it does open up controlling Mame games that use only buttons.

This panel gave me the idea (scroll down a bit):

http://www.ourvictorianhouse.com/CraigsArcade/Roswell%2088201/Roswell.html

You can clearly see the "Asteroids" configuration in that button layout.

The side effect though is that the button arrangement wouldn't be accurate for Stargate.  BUT just about everyone I know prefers the original Defender anyway.   I never played Stargate myself in the arcades.  It was kind of a rare find in my area to begin with.   I will say that if room permits, I can just duplicate the button so the panel would be Stargate accurate, BUT considering that I am going to make a smaller cabinet, I am not sure if I will have the room.

But that is what I meant about moving a button.   But it does fall into place that the addition of that button AND making a smaller panel will dictate moving the reverse button closer to the left joystick.  I do agree with you there.  Since I DO have the original Defender measurements...the button on the Multi-Williams is way off.   But I guess they did it that way mainly for Joust.


--- Quote from: spystyle on January 01, 2010, 11:18:57 pm ---Does this help ?

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Well, not really.   I was looking for the measurements for the button/joystick placement centers.  With that info I can see how I can scale the panel down.    The artwork might come in handy IF it is scalable.   However, scaling it down would change the finger to finger button placement and that is what I would like to avoid.   More then likely I would have to alter the spacing between the left joystick and two buttons with the right joystick and it's group of buttons.

Overall I believe the original Multi-Williams panel was meant for a 24" by 8" mounting.   24" is WAY too large for a bar top cabinet.  I would be thinking more along the lines of an 18" by 6" panel as that size would still allow me to use a 19" LCD monitor in the cabinet.    I am pretty sure I can get all the controls in that size, but it is the spacing I am concerned with.  I DID want to use the Multi-Williams artwork and this new size could present some problems.   A cardboard mock up is definitely in order, BUT I need the dimensions to start with.

Geo

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