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IG-88:
HEY!! Never thought of that!! I have been running it quite a bit lately too. Should be charging that up while I'm at it.

By the way, I was serious earlier.   :P
DJ_Izumi:

--- Quote from: IG-88 on January 08, 2010, 11:23:03 pm ---For Earf Day last year I threw out 3 old PC monitors, a 5 gallon bucket of alkaline batteries I'd been saving for a couple years, and poured about 20 quarts of used motor oil down the street sewer. I then turned every electrical light and appliance on I could think of just because I hate greenies   >:D

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Uhh... I think there's a big difference between 'green' and 'safe disposal of hazardous waste'.
Malenko:
for every animal they dont eat, I eat 3.
TheShanMan:

--- Quote from: DJ_Izumi on January 09, 2010, 03:18:24 am ---
--- Quote from: IG-88 on January 08, 2010, 11:23:03 pm ---For Earf Day last year I threw out 3 old PC monitors, a 5 gallon bucket of alkaline batteries I'd been saving for a couple years, and poured about 20 quarts of used motor oil down the street sewer. I then turned every electrical light and appliance on I could think of just because I hate greenies   >:D

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Uhh... I think there's a big difference between 'green' and 'safe disposal of hazardous waste'.

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No kidding. I hate the "green movement" but that's taking it to a ridiculous extreme. I think the worst thing I do is ignore the "air quality warnings" that we sometimes get in the summer and mow my lawn anyway. >:D
SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: IG-88 on January 08, 2010, 11:45:48 pm ---HEY!! Never thought of that!! I have been running it quite a bit lately too. Should be charging that up while I'm at it.

By the way, I was serious earlier.   :P

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I figured.  :cheers:

eg, it's always puzzled me how a person can claim to be a environmentalist when they live in a house full of imported or old growth wood, drive a big-ass SUV, and dowse their lawns with enough pesticides to kill all wildlife in a 25 mile radius.

In California (and Nevada), there's this huge lake (Lake Tahoe) that's easily found on nearly any map. A common bumper sticker around the area (clear down to Sacramento and all the way out to Reno)  is one that reads, "Keep Tahoe Blue." Tahoe is/was known for astonishingly clear/blue water. However, up until recently the clarity has been damaged due to changes in the environment so more and more.... locals (we'll come back to that later) are sporting these bumper stickers.

Here's the problem with the "Keep Tahoe Blue" stickers and why environmentalists are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

Lake Tahoe is losing it's clarity for a number of reasons, continued construction around the lake clear the trees which cause the topsoil to erode into the lake (the top soil is naturally acidic in the area so this doesn't help), increasing tourism through the area pollute the air which creates acid rain furthering the damage to the lake and lastly (and probably the least problematic) increased boating in the lake. There are other causes, but these are the primary ones. Bill Clinton banned 2-stroke engines on boats in the lake, but this only staves off the inevitable. The other primary causes, increased tourism and construction around the lake are far more damaging. So the very people who are polluting the lake by constructing huge-ass McMansion Cabins and those driving around the lake in their big SUVs or their crappy Subarus are the very same ones slapping these stickers on their cars. Hello! You are causing the pollution and you want to do what? Right. :laugh2:

Another example. I grew up less than a mile from a Sierra Club lodge which is one of the filthiest after spring thaw. All the other lodges go through every effort to keep their lodge (and surrounding property) clean. Yet Sierra Club members, not only do nothing to keep their lodge clean, it seems they go through extra effort to turn it into a pigsty and the proof appears after snow melt. Why the difference? A money making lodge makes their money on a clean environment. Paying tourists expect  a clean place. Sierra Club members go through the idea of, "out of sight, out of mind." I also suspect staying at the lodge is discounted (or free) for SC members which further puts them in the mindset of, "who cares? I pay my dues." Who is the better environmentalist? The money grubbing lodge owner driving their 1985 beat-to----steaming pile of meadow muffin--- gas guzzling 4x4 Chevy or the granola eating weekend warrior driving 60+ miles every weekend in their gas saving Subaru?


Don't mistake me. Personally, I think pouring used motor oil down the storm drain goes a little too far and I'd probably kick your ass for doing it. However, it's perfectly understandable. It's an extremist reaction to a bunch of other extremists trying to control every aspect of our lives by telling us we can't have homes constructed out of wood while they live in homes constructed out of rare and endangered woods.

True environmentalism is about achieving a balance between what the planet, as a whole, needs and what we need (and desire) as human beings. Dumping waste oil into a river doesn't help anybody, period. No one is going to achieve that balance if everyone keeps acting like an ---uvula---.
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