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clok:

--- Quote from: saurian333 on January 11, 2010, 02:06:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: u_rebelscum on January 11, 2010, 01:45:55 pm ---We also can't say "Core2 is the only way to go" anymore.

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Maybe my opinion (you know what they say about those), but I daresay that was never the case.  I've been running an Athlon64 X2 for 2.5 years, not overclocked.  I've compared it with friends' similar machines running Core2 of same or even higher speed.  I haven't had one significantly outperform it yet.  Higher benchmark numbers, yes.  Noticeable real-world performance, never.

The only place I'd recommend a Core2 is in a notebook.  The mobile AMD chips run significantly hotter, so they almost always have louder fans.  Kind of irritating sometimes, although a small sacrifice to get the much better value, IMO.

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I have two machines my old system a FX60 (oc to 2.8) and a E6600 (OC to 3.2) Both machines are 4 gigs of memory and 8800 cards (same card actually) and while the speeds are not  the same (.4 dif) I cant agree. I used the fx60 and it played everything wonderfully, no argument. But I had a 22" running at 1600X1050, I soon upgraded to a 24" then a 26" and soon a 30" at 2560 X1600. benchmarks show huge numbers much like you said, but I didnt notice anything when I had my 22". but as my screen increased in size and I had to bump my resup the speed problems started showing. Newer games show it more. My trusty (and obcenly expensive at the time FX chip) is holding in there even on new games on my old 22", but I do know there is a difference. But more most people I know where you are comming from, those 50% benchmarks in PCMARK matter little to the guy playing a game.

Sadly Im in the same boat as you now again. I have a 8400 OC to 4.2 and cant bring myslef to upgrade to the I7 stuff.... But as a computer nut, its going to happen. if there is anything good to say to being a technology binge buyer, i have broke one habit. the $500+ video card every 3-6 months.. wont do it anymore.

Oh and sweet benchmarks, I honestly didnt see AMD doing that well, good to see, maybe we will see the $200 sweet spot for mainline chips again since Intel has slowely ratcheted it up since they have the started getting the sales they lost to AMD back in the athlon and Athlon II days.
saurian333:

--- Quote from: clok on January 12, 2010, 02:14:18 pm ---[...] i have broke one habit. the $500+ video card every 3-6 months.. wont do it anymore.

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I'm sick of upgrading my video cards at all.  I recently got a GT220, thinking it would be a great improvement over my 7900, only to find out that it wasn't.  Higher specs all-around (including twice the RAM and higher bandwidth), but some performance ratings ended up being slightly higher and others slightly lower.  I only got a slight improvement, plus DX10 capability.  I could have gotten that with a 9500 for half the price.  Seriously, a 2-year/3-generation upgrade really should make more of a difference.  I'm tired of trying to keep up; no more new video cards for me unless I'm replacing a whole system.
massive88:
Just brought up this thread on another forum, and realized I made a mistake from square one.  The chip I was testing was an Athlon II not a Phenom II.  The only difference appears to be L3 Cache (and price because of it).  Anyway, for posterity sake, the chip I was using was a Rana, which is an Athlon II, not a Heka, which would be the Phenom II.
Malenko:
I should run these tests tonight, I have a Phenom quad core from like a year and half/2 years ago, its a sledgehammer
u_rebelscum:

--- Quote from: massive88 on February 12, 2010, 10:22:33 am ---...The chip I was testing was an Athlon II not a Phenom II....

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That's actually good to hear.  Some of the benchmarks out there show little different between phenom II and athlon II, while others show ~15% difference at same speed.  So if mame is one of the case that Phenom II vs Athlon II is a big difference, then the phenom II is even better. 

But as you say, the major difference is the cache size, so maybe no big difference.


--- Quote from: Malenko on February 12, 2010, 10:38:00 am ---I should run these tests tonight, I have a Phenom quad core from like a year and half/2 years ago, its a sledgehammer

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Thanks.  Is that a Phenom, or Phenom II?  Major differences between the two, at least on many of the other benchmarks out there.  (I wonder if it's the same with mame?)  Anyway, it would be nice to see mame athlon II vs phenom II comparison.
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