Author Topic: RAM Controls Reproduction Star Wars Flight Yoke Controller (Read 55115 times)

z · « **Reply #80 on:** January 26, 2010, 05:01:53 pm »

These have been delayed long enough I wonder if the day Ram Controls ships the first few yokes will be the same day that Ultimarc or Groovy Game Gear debut their composite based model on the scene for significantly cheaper. I realize the overall market volume may not be there to justify the development costs but I'm wondering if Andy or Randy have ever looked at these.

ark_ader · « **Reply #81 on:** January 26, 2010, 05:12:09 pm »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on January 26, 2010, 05:00:20 pm

Well... being he was on this forum on the 4th of January and KLOV as late as ... the 16th or 17th of January... well... Magic 8-Ball says "Not likely".

Frizzle give it another shake as mine says: "Yes in due time."

TheShanMan · « **Reply #82 on:** January 26, 2010, 05:21:06 pm »

Benefit of the doubt only lasts so long.

RayB · « **Reply #83 on:** January 26, 2010, 05:31:59 pm »

Surely someone here is local? Just go knock on his door.

Hoopz · « **Reply #84 on:** January 26, 2010, 05:39:24 pm »

Quote from: RayB on January 26, 2010, 05:31:59 pm

Surely someone here is local? Just go knock on his door.

Isn't that what someone said about SlikStick also? Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder.

TPB · « **Reply #85 on:** January 27, 2010, 10:15:01 am »

Quote from: Daviea on December 27, 2009, 10:32:43 pm

the yoke controllers are done and shipping!!

Quote from: Daviea - KLOV forum - December 31, 2009, 12:13 PM

Havok, your controller is on it's way right now. Enjoy!!!!

Can these be anything other than lies, when there's no sign of Havok's controller a month later ?

After making his Christmas announcement, Dave's taken receipt of a load more cash for the yokes with a "KLOV special". Only this time, people didn't send their cash for pre-orders. They paid for yokes that are done and shipping ...

Quote from: copious - KLOV forum - January 25, 2010, 09:25 AM

He takes orders for parts and then doesn't ship them. He tells people they shipped and weeks later nothing arrives. This alone makes me feel gullible I paid for a part that was to be shipped and now all I have is a payment sent reciept from paypal.

Quote from: copious - KLOV forum - January 26, 2010, 07:37 PM

I fell for the KLOV yoke deal, looks like it should have been called the 'Dave joke deal'

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #86 on:** January 27, 2010, 10:21:16 am »

He did the same deal over here around the same time, I wonder how many people PayPal'ed him because of that.

Hoopz · « **Reply #87 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:03:30 am »

Harpal²

DashRendar · « **Reply #88 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:04:56 am »

From the FAQ on his website:

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Q: How quickly will my order be processed?
A: If you order through us and pay by credit card or paypal, your order will be processed same day or next business day. Payment by check and money order may be delayed up to 7 days. We ship everything through UPS Blue (2nd Day) or Red (Next Day), so no PO Boxes please. Note: On occasion, we may use UPS 3-day or Ground service for large orders. You will be notified of this before we ship. If you order through one of our vendors, please check with them on their order processing terms.

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Q: I ordered something from you, but I don't have it yet, What should I do?
A: Always contact us if there is an issue of any type. Once you place an order, generally, you should have it within 3-4 business days at most. If you do not receive an order within this timeframe, your first action should be to contact us immediately so we can determine the issue and resolve it.

I assume people have tried contacting him at the sales@ram-controls.com address about their orders not being shipped yet.

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #89 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:11:49 am »

Maybe he can't get email on his Caribbean vacation...

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I asked for a mai tai, and they brought me a pina colada, and I said no salt, NO salt for the margarita, but it had salt on it, big grains of salt

Hoopz · « **Reply #90 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:25:14 am »

Quote from: HarumaN on January 27, 2010, 11:11:49 am

Maybe he can't get email on his Caribbean vacation...

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I asked for a mai tai, and they brought me a pina colada, and I said no salt, NO salt for the margarita, but it had salt on it, big grains of salt

Screw Milton. These guys at least had chicks with them:

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Looking good, Billy Ray!
Feeling good, Louis!

shardian · « **Reply #91 on:** January 27, 2010, 01:38:14 pm »

A fellow at KLOV reported he had recently spoken to Dave via email and pointed out that he really needs to say something publicly. So he is fine, is communicating, and has decided not to respond I assume. I was sooo looking forward to the repro paperboy controller too...

Quote from: ark_ader on January 26, 2010, 04:50:22 pm

Life has a funny and sometimes a rather rude way of throwing obstacles in your path.

These yokes can all be boxed up ready for the shipping labels to be placed on them - sitting like quiet little soldiers.

The shipping day comes and nothing happens.

This has happened to me twice. One being my father's untimely death the other being involved in a horrible auto accident.

These things do happen all the time, and being such shocking events - go unexplained or unnoticed by friends and customers.

Yes I might like to have a bit of a laugh regarding these yokes, but I do really hope its something simple with Dave and not something terrible.

Just something to think about, because it can happen at any time.

Most of the time without any notice at all. Just turn on the news channel....

RayB · « **Reply #92 on:** January 27, 2010, 03:35:42 pm »

meh. Where's option to delete my post?

saint · « **Reply #93 on:** January 27, 2010, 03:37:15 pm »

Quote from: RayB on January 27, 2010, 03:35:42 pm

meh. there's option to delete.

Huh?

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #94 on:** January 27, 2010, 03:46:15 pm »

Quote from: saint on January 27, 2010, 03:37:15 pm

Quote from: RayB on January 27, 2010, 03:35:42 pm
meh. there's option to delete.

Huh?

RayB wants you to delete his account.

RayB · « **Reply #95 on:** January 27, 2010, 03:52:17 pm »

My POST! Delete my post, not my account.

nevermind...

MameMaster! · « **Reply #96 on:** January 27, 2010, 09:12:14 pm »

Man I really wanted to order one --- any updates?

Havok · « **Reply #97 on:** January 27, 2010, 09:17:48 pm »

Nothing yet - supposedly Dave is having a tough time with his business not having power due to all the rain over there. Hopefully he just surprises everyone and ships the yokes. At least to me.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #98 on:** January 27, 2010, 11:03:23 pm »

Well the man posted over at KLOV... BYOAC evidently gets no love.

Essentially he provided ZERO reasonable reason why Havok's yoke didn't make it out the door, but whatever.

Havok · « **Reply #99 on:** January 28, 2010, 11:21:54 am »

Dave's post on Klov:

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Hey everyone,

It looks like this thread took on a life of it's own. I see that some people posted up my latest issues with real life taking a front seat, so I'll leave it at that. No need to cough up more excuses, right?

Anyhow, I've been spending a great deal of time this week going through the backlog of orders and getting parts out as fast as I can. People will start to see their orders showing up. I have to stress that I am still somewhat distracted by the situation with my "real" work, but it shouldn't be so much of a distraction that I can't get a lot of orders out the door the remainder of this week.

All I can do is apologize for the delay and lack of communication which I know is a serious problem. With that in mind, if you need/want to get in touch with me, please email me directly at sales@ram-controls.com.

Obviously, with the backlog of shipping I need to take care of, I will be spending little time online (especially on the forums) and more time dealing with the situation of getting orders out. Anyhone who absolutely needs to get in touch with me NOW, please EMAIL me.

So, to conclude, PLEASE accept my sincere apologies for the delays and lack of communication. If you EMAIL me at sales@ram-controls.com, I WILL get back to you.

Keep on gaming!!!

Dave

RayB · « **Reply #100 on:** January 28, 2010, 05:52:07 pm »

Interesting that the backlog includes the FIRST SHIPMENT EVER.
This is pure laziness. Real life or not. Sorry but when someone paid hundreds of dollars for something, THAT IS PART OF YOUR "REAL LIFE" buddy.

Pay someone minimum wage for half a day to pack up all the orders. Geez.
Get the wife or girlfriend to do it. Anybody.

TPB · « **Reply #101 on:** January 29, 2010, 09:30:22 am »

The yoke will be a masterpiece, once it really does start shipping. It'll be a thing of such beauty, that the focus shall turn to the brilliance of the yoke, and anyone who dared question Dave's methods shall be royally flamed.

Nonetheless ...

It's interesting to observe the similarities between Dave, and Andy from Ultimarc.

Both have a professional website to promote their gaming business.

Both run their gaming business for the love of it, as a hobby ... they do other work to help pay the bills :

Quote from: AndyWarne on July 23, 2008, 06:18:37 am

You might be wondering why, having made these statements, Ultimarc continues to exist as even the I-PAC is a niche product selling at a low margin. Its not an easy ride, especially as we have competition who are even more price-focused than we are. (dry your eyes now hehe).
If I were to go on Dragons Den and present the I-PAC as a business, Peter Jones would just laugh when I state the margin and projected sales.

But fortunately thats only part of the story. Keeping overheads down to the bare minimum and also being involved in consultancy and design for other companies makes things viable.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=82460.0

Both have just released a new product. With Andy, it's the AimTrak.

That's where the similarity ends.

Imagine if Andy said the AimTrak was done and shipping, then offered BYOAC and KLOV purchase specials, then takes receipt of a heap of order cash, and then disappears for a month, with nothing being shipped ? Finally he reappears, and his best excuse for not shipping the AimTraks is real life taking a front seat ?

Would we ever see this from Andy ? Maybe our lovable Brit is just one of a kind.

RandyT · « **Reply #102 on:** January 29, 2010, 02:45:28 pm »

Quote from: z on January 26, 2010, 05:01:53 pm

These have been delayed long enough I wonder if the day Ram Controls ships the first few yokes will be the same day that Ultimarc or Groovy Game Gear debut their composite based model on the scene for significantly cheaper. I realize the overall market volume may not be there to justify the development costs but I'm wondering if Andy or Randy have ever looked at these.

Heh. I already have a rough design in mind for something similar, but at this moment in time, I can't imagine finding the time to pursue it. But it would be simpler, smaller and, in the long run, more reliable on the electronics side. In appearance, however, not nearly as "authentic".

And far be it for me to speak for Dave, but it would not surprise me at all, even after all of the parts are in hand and sitting there in front of you, that these would take well over an hour each to assemble and test. Considering the cost and quantity of the components, unless you have an assembly line of underpaid workers, it's going to be really difficult to make any money on these, once labor and all of the time already spent on the project are considered. In the end, if one has a choice between doing something that brings money in the door (you know, for things like food, heat, electricity, etc.) or something that essentially is a break even proposition, that first thing is probably going to take precedent. That may or may not be what's going on here, but it's a possibility. I won't comment on taking cash on the project and not shipping after stating that he is. He's going to have to defend that one, and whether he can to anyone's satisfaction will be between him and them. Obviously, the parts are there. Maybe now it's really hard to find the time to actually make the completed units and get them out the door.

RandyT

ChadTower · « **Reply #103 on:** January 29, 2010, 03:12:38 pm »

Of course, we all understand that, Randy. It's the lies followed by silence that are the problem. Nothing in your good faith example includes lying about shipments having been made.

ratzz · « **Reply #104 on:** January 29, 2010, 03:36:06 pm »

You know the bit that sticks in my throat:
Dave's post on Klov:

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Keep on gaming!!!

Dave

JMB · « **Reply #105 on:** January 29, 2010, 04:23:03 pm »

At this point even if the pre-orders get filled I wouldn't be willing to place an order. What I have witnessed from the start of this whole process just doesn't give me any confidence to place an order. Do you think that things will be better the next time around? If SlikStik suddenly reappeared would you be buying from him as well? The only reason people would even be willing to try is simply because he is offering something you can't get anywhere else currently. I'd rather live without than be a sucker.

I don't buy the whole "real life" excuse either. I'm single father with two kids under the age of 10. I know all about real life. Personally I don't care if Dave posts an explanation here or at KLOV. He doesn't owe me an explanation. He does owe one to people that have given him money though. How long would it have taken him to send an email to those people? Maybe I just don't get it because I'm the type of guy that does everything I can to ship a $5 ebay order the next day.

I'll continue to watch this train wreck with everyone else. I hope everyone gets what they paid for and they are phenomenal. At one point I probably would have been a potential customer.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #106 on:** January 30, 2010, 11:03:51 am »

I have to say I'm really bummed about this. It does seem like he's really accomplished this-- -but yet nothing has shipped. I really don't get it.

Dave-- I have over $250 bucks with your name on it-- but I need to see these "pre orders" get filled already before I can in good conscience give you my hard earned cash.

This really is not cool-- your excuses are astounding and really disappointing.

JustMichael · « **Reply #107 on:** January 30, 2010, 12:56:07 pm »

Is it just me or doesn't this sound like the whole Slikstick thing all over again?

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #108 on:** January 31, 2010, 05:29:51 pm »

Hoopz · « **Reply #109 on:** January 31, 2010, 05:36:23 pm »

What's going to be out first: Duke Nukem Forever or Ram Controls yoke?

Biggest con artist at BYOAC: Harpal, Christian, Foley, Daviea?

MameMaster! · « **Reply #110 on:** January 31, 2010, 09:24:54 pm »

Come on Dave--- Hook up Havok already!---we're dying to see these things in action! I think he's waited the longest!

TPB · « **Reply #111 on:** February 01, 2010, 06:33:14 am »

Quote from: MameMaster! on January 31, 2010, 09:24:54 pm

Come on Dave--- Hook up Havok already!

To have a little confidence there's a real product on offer here, we need to see at least TWO people hooked up with their yokes. Havok and at least one other dude who's been waiting on their pre-order since early 2007.

Spot the difference between these two photos :

One word ... QUANTITY.

There's enough springs, nuts, bearings, gears, shafts, buttons, and switches to fill a dozen bargain basement bins. But there's only ONE yoke. Havok may be lucky enough to become its owner, perhaps the only yoke that ever gets assembled.

I'll tell you what though, if Dave pulls through and starts shipping the yokes in decent volumes, I'll keenly save up my cash to get my own.

Havok · « **Reply #112 on:** February 01, 2010, 10:10:08 am »

Hehe, sorry Dave, but I'm going to have a little fun with this one:

KonkeyKong · « **Reply #113 on:** February 01, 2010, 01:16:25 pm »

How about an Assemble-your-own kit? All the parts, little lower price point? Might be kinda fun...

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #114 on:** February 01, 2010, 03:10:58 pm »

Quote from: KonkeyKong on February 01, 2010, 01:16:25 pm

How about an Assemble-your-own kit? All the parts, little lower price point? Might be kinda fun...

They'd still have to make their way to a mailbox... which seems to be an issue here.

MameMaster! · « **Reply #115 on:** February 01, 2010, 04:20:32 pm »

Dave...you're our only hope.....

TheShanMan · « **Reply #116 on:** February 01, 2010, 04:36:51 pm »

Havok, still not even so much as a tracking number?

Havok · « **Reply #117 on:** February 01, 2010, 04:54:22 pm »

Nothing yet; I'll shoot him an email at his sales address to see what's going on.

RayB · « **Reply #118 on:** February 01, 2010, 06:35:36 pm »

I don't keep up with Klov forums... Did you post in the Klov forum? You should.

ark_ader · « **Reply #119 on:** February 02, 2010, 06:39:38 pm »

It would be funny if someone came out of the woodwork and stopped Dave with a Cease & Desist for copyright violation.

Or are these yokes authorized reproductions?


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