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** RAM Controls Reproduction Star Wars Flight Yoke Controller **
CheffoJeffo:
Somewhat on topic, late last year I submitted a preorder & deposit for Exidy 440 Multikits from Dave Widel and Mike Doyle. The progress has been well communicated via their project blog, in a thread over on KLOV and via direct email. I sent the outstanding balance on Wednesday night and they started shipping the kits (with tracking numbers) this morning.
They have done an amazing job keeping people informed and got this out faster than I would have thought possible.
An excellent example of success in a coin-op project.
:applaud:
FrizzleFried:
While I disagree with Saints stance in regards to this situation... I certainly respect the man and have never once given him crap for his point of view.
:dunno
PS: I, personally, have never seen Saint "censor" anyone in regards to their opinion as long as that person wasn't being a --cream-filled twinkie-- in one way or another...
ark_ader:
Yeah look at the thread regarding the MAME and illegal commercial use.
I do not see a locked thread or any moderator threatening me to keep quiet.
I know where to draw the line and I am quite capable of crossing it. ;D
I would never take any issue and be publicly negative with Saint. Never will.
It would be very easy for a deviant to derail this thread, and send it to Post Hell.
I hope Ratzz understands this and tries to be civil in the future.
TPB:
Ratzz,
You're getting yourself really worked up about a gaming forum. Settle down, it's not a life or death matter.
What's the point you're trying to make here ? It sounds like you're trying to rub Saint and the pre-orderer's nose in your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- whilst "giving them the finger" and taunting them with "na na na, I told you so !!".
Does it make you feel good to act this way ?
Apparently private conversation with you, is never guaranteed to be private. I can't beieve you've been hoarding PM's from way back in 2007, waiting for your chance to "publish them" at a later date. Congratulations mate, you're a real backstabber. Thanks for revealing your true nature for all to see.
But That's OK, I'm happy to discuss.
Unlike yourself, I like to learn from my mistakes.
I was rude and discourteous towards the pre-orderer's at the time. That was wrong, I'm sorry for that, I apologise to the pre-order folks, my attitude was out of line.
They took a risky decision to leave their money in Dave's bank account for all these years. That's a decision I wouldn't have made myself. But that's been THEIR decision, which as grown adults they're entitled to make. Who are you, or me, or Frizz, or anyone else to tell them otherwise ?
Saint was CORRECT in his assertion back then, that anyone who wanted their money back from Dave, was free to ask him for a refund. Back in 2007, Dave was still honouring any refunds that were asked of him. To my recollection, Mamemaster was a pre-orderer who gave up on Dave, he asked for a refund and to Dave's credit HE GOT HIS REFUND.
Regardless of the current situation involving the non-delivery of the yokes, Saint is dead set right in saying that no-one can truly take issue with Dave until such a time as he stops issuing refunds ... and this is yet to happen (notwithstanding WareWolF's unsubstantiated claim above) :
--- Quote from: saint on February 05, 2010, 05:13:00 pm ---
The acid test will be if/when people start asking for refunds and if they receive them.
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Gatt:
--- Quote from: Hoopz on February 06, 2010, 05:51:42 am ---
--- Quote from: Deadly on February 05, 2010, 10:21:21 pm ---Out of all the people flaming on here - how many have actually ordered one? If you haven't then who the hell cares if Dave gets the yokes out? Seriously - someone please explain what entitles you to start flaming someone? Technically this whole thread goes against the rules. A bunch of childish BS over a stupid yoke? The fate of the world depends on the release of this yoke? C'mon and grow up. From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it. Look - why don;t we leave this thread to the people whom have pre-paid. That's be what ... 2 or 3 people? Surely they and they alone are entitled to discuss their concerns.
Havok - you've been a "Saint" (no punn intended) about all of this.
David Adams you need to nut up.
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Guess who started this thread that goes against the rules? The liar and thief. What's got your panties in a twist about it? As was said before when you were whining about having to read it here and at KLOV, if you don't like it, don't read it. People have a right to ask and a right to complain. Or do you think you have a right to tell people what they should think and right?
Troll.
And you owe WareWolF an apology. And his money back too.
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First, let me say that people do have a right to be upset, we're waiting on information that hasn't been coming. I gave him my $300 too, and I'm a little concerned.
That said, I feel you're going a little overboard calling him a liar and a thief. This is a niche hobby, and something like these yokes are a major undertaking. While he has not yet produced, or communicated, given that the hobby is so technically involved, IMO it's best to err on the side of leniency. I mean, the guy has demonstrated in the past that he's able to produce difficult parts, is it likely that he concocted a scheme to take mney, knowing it'd take little effort to file charges? I think he's probably just a shade ashamed that he hasn't been able to get things done in the time frame he thought he would, and is staying out of sight until he gets it toghether.