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Loafmeister:
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: a mediocre movie for sure (with some entertaining scenes).  Using that as an example opens up another door.  Did people see it because they believe it was high quality entertainment?  Or did they go to the theatre with the hope it would be?  Aside from the critics, most people felt it was underwhelming.  Can you say the same for the average person who's seen Avatar?  One look at the top 10 (heck top 20) does show that most of these movies belong to a franchise of some sort, giving credence to KOTCS's success.

It doesn't matter anyway, I don't think anyone here is trying to change another's opinion. My only gripe at times is that I find people put their opinion above everyone else's. For you shmokes, if you find a movie is bad, then it must be bad and you find it pretty odd why people like a movie that's bad.  For me, if I find a movie is bad, then it's a movie I didn't like; I really don't care why others might like it. Different strokes for different folks.  Just a different perspective I guess.

BTW, GWTW:  Great movie, but it's attendance figures benefitted on a couple of imporant things:

- color movies in general release were still something fairly new.
- it was the pre-cursor to what we call "hollywood blockbuster"
- It was re-released something like 6 more times

It's a great flick, but I wonder at times if people flocked to it more because it brought something new to the theatre experience, as it was quite a different spectacle from the other movies of its time.  On that note, maybe not. Wizard of Oz did that, and it's nowhere in the listing. is that even possible?  I find that amazing myself.

Loafmeister:

--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on January 08, 2010, 04:10:21 pm ---Don't forget that the prices are also higher per ticket because of 3D

--- End quote ---

True, but let's not forget some are comparing a movie's total haul to another movie that's been out for 3 weeks and a day... I think both examples are inadequate; probably ticket sales would be the only way to state a movie as "the most popular".  There really is no way to tell what constitutes the best movie ever except for our own personal taste that only applies to one-self.

shmokes:
It's not just about personal taste.  I mean, it is when it comes down to what you personally want to see.  But there are reasonably objective criteria by which you can criticize a movie.  You might say that people behaving in absurdly unrealistic ways is your cup of tea.  You might say that you really like contrived dialog and cardboard characters.  Maybe what you really want in a movie is contradictions and unresolved plot threads.  But generally speaking these things can be pretty much universally considered bad things.  

And don't confuse what I'm saying with an inability to suspend my disbelief.  I'm fine with changing the rules.  If the filmmakers establish a rule that the laws of gravity do not apply like they normally would, I'm perfectly fine with characters defying the laws of gravity.  But when the filmmakers have not established this, and gravity appears to be working in full force, and a character randomly and inexplicably defies the laws of gravity it's stupid.  If the filmmakers have not established a reason for people to talk like retards, but every character inexplicably converses like he is retarded, it's stupid.

I know that there are different strokes for different folks and all that rot.  But some people like to have sex with consenting adults while others molest small boys.  Not all tastes are created equal, I'm afraid.  Uwe Boll makes horrible movies, and if 100 million people showed up for Far Cry it wouldn't make the movie any better.  The movie is objectively bad.

Loafmeister:
Right, and as you can see, no one goes to see Mr. Boll's movies either. I don't think my point came across but that's cool.

shmokes:
No but people go and see Adam Sandler movies, ---Smurfette--- movies, Michael Bay movies, and movies written by Nicholas Sparks by the tens upon tens of millions.  I used Ewe Boll to make my point more obvious.  If you want to substitute Don't Mess with the Zohan or Miss Congeniality or Pearl Harbor or A Long Walk to Remember be my guest.

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