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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #240 on: July 29, 2010, 02:16:27 pm »
atomikbohm - The house we want to buy has a lovely garage/workshop and an even better family games room. We have 3 viewings this weekend
so non stop cleaning and tidying.  :dizzy:

Cheers

ps. thanks DaOld Man!

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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #241 on: August 06, 2010, 06:06:12 pm »
Woah awesome project! I feel special that the exterior of my ARTIFACT design contributed to the start of yours. I LOVE the CLEAR panels idea, and your frame is beautiful. Way to think outside the box.. wait "to see from outside of the box"  :applaud:

:cheers:

Looking forward to seeing your progress

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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #242 on: August 20, 2010, 09:23:52 am »
Staying tuned.  Simply amazed, and staying tuned.

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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #243 on: August 25, 2010, 09:57:01 am »
Thanks guys for the nice words as usual,

Housing market sucks at the moment and I am getting bored at doing nothing...

As I mentioned before, I think I want to try the CP in wood as the plexi one might
be too much when you add the side panels as well. In fact I am considering solid wood
at the back and on one side and plexi on the front (for the most part) and other side.

Found a website that stocks some fantastic woods, Yew being my favourite at the moment.

Take a look...









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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #244 on: August 25, 2010, 10:49:58 am »
wow! great stuff! what's the site?

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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #245 on: August 25, 2010, 01:05:50 pm »

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Re: Project Quercus - Internal stuff...
« Reply #246 on: September 08, 2010, 03:52:34 pm »
Not much of an update but some news....

Offer on house at last which is great but not as quite much as we need but we may be able to do something.  :laugh:

Oak panels turned up, look fantastic imho.

23mm/1"  thick so some routing required, good god they are heavy.









I know some may be disappointed that I am not definitely going with a clear panel but at the moment
I just don't think it looks quite right.

I did a mock up with some spare wire I had and no mater what I did.... just didn't look right. I don't think the leaf
switches look very good from above. No way I am giving those up!










Couldn't get a single top panel piece wide enough @260mm so will have to do some joining etc. Although with
the bottom panel one plank will be wide enough.

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #247 on: September 09, 2010, 08:59:37 am »
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #248 on: September 09, 2010, 09:21:17 am »
Good stuff. I can see what you mean about the leaf switches.

Looks like you've got space to play with their orientation. You might try lining them up vertically, instead of just diagonally any which way.

Also, since that part will be under plex, you could paint them and not worry about it getting chipped. I'd probably go with gloss black.

Finally, I think the exposed red wiring is doing a lot to "mess up the look". Plus those spade connectors don't help.

Several possibilities there:
1) You could do like Kneivel and solder the wires directly to the switches. Makes things a little more of a pain to work on though.
2) You could get some black wire, but finding black spade connectors might be tough. Alternately, use the spade connectors with no plastic sleeve, just bare metal with the black wire attached. That could work.
3) Pick up some cable cover (small dia) and run to each switch, covering the wires. That stuff is available in all sorts of colors.
For example

http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/51668-biker-s-choice-92915-wiring-wire-cable-cover-chrome-1-4

More $, but it could look great.

I also like the Wood CP option, though I think the acrylic is more interesting. But, it might not be workable in the end.

Finally, A Solid wood back would work, but I think it might be a little odd to have one side acrylic and one solid. Maybe it's just me though.

Very nice. Glad to see you're still on it!

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #249 on: September 09, 2010, 10:23:36 am »
Good stuff. I can see what you mean about the leaf switches.

Looks like you've got space to play with their orientation. You might try lining them up vertically, instead of just diagonally any which way.

Also, since that part will be under plex, you could paint them and not worry about it getting chipped. I'd probably go with gloss black.

Finally, I think the exposed red wiring is doing a lot to "mess up the look". Plus those spade connectors don't help.

Several possibilities there:
1) You could do like Kneivel and solder the wires directly to the switches. Makes things a little more of a pain to work on though.
2) You could get some black wire, but finding black spade connectors might be tough. Alternately, use the spade connectors with no plastic sleeve, just bare metal with the black wire attached. That could work.
3) Pick up some cable cover (small dia) and run to each switch, covering the wires. That stuff is available in all sorts of colors.
For example

http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/products/51668-biker-s-choice-92915-wiring-wire-cable-cover-chrome-1-4

More $, but it could look great.

I also like the Wood CP option, though I think the acrylic is more interesting. But, it might not be workable in the end.

Finally, A Solid wood back would work, but I think it might be a little odd to have one side acrylic and one solid. Maybe it's just me though.

Very nice. Glad to see you're still on it!



I was thinking about this along the same lines but with a couple of differences the connectors could be covered with heatshrink tubing for a very clean look also the tubing I was thinking about something like nylon braided http://www.buyheatshrink.com/.

Under the hood of my mustang I used the nyla braid and it looked good you can get all colors even get some that looks like braided stainless steel.
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #250 on: September 09, 2010, 11:10:33 am »
Some good ideas there drventure.

Black wire might look better (I was going to use that for the ground)

Never thought of removing the covers to the spade switches, might look
really good. I don't mind soldering at all but would like to be able to disconnect
quickly.

Both sides acrylic - Yep.  agree on that now! Not sure on the back yet.

Regarding cable wrap - drventure/Dr Zero not sure about it under the CP but for things
like fan cable etc running the length of the frame I think it would be a great idea.

Thanks for the input.

edit. Dr Zero - good idea with the heatshrink - got loads of that.
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #251 on: September 09, 2010, 02:55:39 pm »
IMO, I would leave the see-through CP, but come up with plans to make the innards more appealing looking.
For instance, if the white leafs are an eyesore, could you just spray paint 'em black to match the trackball and joystick bases?
I think it would still look pretty cool, and would match the rest.  If you're gonna do that, you could also paint the sanwa mounting plate to match black as well.

That, and some nice wire tubing and you're set!

I just think it's so cool to see the mechanics that you're using to play.
Just my thoughts.

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #252 on: September 10, 2010, 03:32:32 pm »
opt2not -  I recently re-did the sketchup mock up making each piece a component so that it made sense
to the software what was and wasn't solid etc.




I think it will look better this way - more balanced, a hell of a lot easier to work with hardwood than plexi.

Good news - looks like we are moving house! Can't wait - we have a split level property at the moment
and the stairs are driving us mad, especially with an 18 month old daughter.

No stairs in the new place - awesome.

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #253 on: September 10, 2010, 05:26:32 pm »
Some pics in lieu of any real progress.  :o



















Sadly you can't for love nor money get pippy oak wide enough so will have to join 2 panels together.

Lid stay gas springs..... coming soon.

Cheers







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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #254 on: December 28, 2010, 06:31:49 pm »
Small update - managed to source a piece of European oak 280mm wide x 28mm thick so the Pippy oak I joined
is now earmarked for shelves in the conservatory.

I have added some circular felt pads on the frame which meant I had to remove the metal wood inserts that were
there. When I say remove I mean drill out as 3 out of the 4 broke as I tried to remove them. I then dowelled the
holes and trimmed them level so I could get a small pilot hole for the forstner bit so I could sink the pads a couple
of mm.
















Lots of routing to be done now the CP is 28mm.




Cheers








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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #255 on: December 28, 2010, 09:50:18 pm »
such a cool project.  i have to agree with you..  wood for the control panel.  the plexi just looked like a eye sore and that pippy oak you choose looks great.  ( before my health went down hill, i use to be into archery and built my own longbows, recurvs.. and i loved yew!!!  my fav bow wood!!  bamboo yeah its a grass next.  hmmmm.. maybe ill have to make a bartop out of bamboo down the road. :D )

look forward to your progress.. such a cool cab.  i dig it mate!!
cheers from Arizona.  

we have a wood here called iron wood.  it would look great as a control panel.  but its $$$$  google senora desert iron wood.. i use to use it in my hand forged knives   ( yeah i use to be pretty big into hand forging knives, and building bows.. such a shame our health can be so fragile..  be pretty cool to forge up some Damascus joystick tops, spinner knobs.. love Damascus.  pain to forge tho :D), i mention this cause you would appreciate the special wood that it is.. :)

chris.
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #256 on: December 29, 2010, 04:15:14 pm »
before my health went down hill, i use to be into archery and built my own longbows, recurvs.. and i loved yew!!!

Aww...  We love yew tew, buddy!

 ;)

(sorry - couldn't resist.)

STILL WATCHING!

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #257 on: December 29, 2010, 04:52:21 pm »
heh, better than getting a boot to the door. :)  rock on.

yeah, this is gonna look great when you finish. :)
chris.

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #258 on: January 09, 2011, 05:26:39 pm »
Thanks Jipp and Rick and sorry for not replying sooner...

Edit - Jipp, your leg dude!  Hope it gets better soon.  :-\

Got a fair bit done in the last two evenings, most of the base of the CP.

A few bits to do such as find the router in the bombsite that is my garage but I'm pretty pleased
with how much I got done.


















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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #259 on: January 10, 2011, 09:29:35 pm »
I'm glad you went for the solid timber CP as well, I still think there's a place for some transparent panels on this cab to allow a glimpse of its 'innards' and your outstanding wood joinery, but a nicely finished solid timber CP will be the ducks nutz  :D

All I can do at the moment is browse these project pages from a sick bed while I get over a flu infection  :(

 :cheers:

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #260 on: January 12, 2011, 06:14:20 am »
Thanks Ond, I am going with 8 or 10mm plexi for the front and back and thicker for the sides.

Get well soon.
 :)

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #261 on: January 12, 2011, 08:46:09 am »
Nice progress on this.

You know, I'm still thinking the plex could be quite nice, but it'd take some finishout work on the undercompoents.

Another possibility. Make the CP swappable. One Clear, the other wood. You get two different looks and two different layouts too.

And it's just double the work  ;D

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #262 on: January 12, 2011, 09:19:51 am »
You're up late drventure. Or quite early.  :angel:

Not going swappable but I am hinging the top panel too, taking me forever to find the
right hinge. I am waiting to hear back from the supplier on all the dimensions - this is the
current one that looks suitable...

http://www.locksonline.com/acatalog/connecting-hinge-7142.html

Top tip - find hinge first then adapt CP around that!

 


 
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #263 on: January 12, 2011, 08:25:26 pm »
Yes, Plan for the hinges. If there's one thing (and there's lots more than one  :) ) that I'd do differently with my CP, it's that I should have hinged it (as it is, the bottom comes off).

Ugh.

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #264 on: January 26, 2011, 05:55:45 pm »
Some more progress  :laugh:

Joined two pieces of pippy together to create a top panel support for the hinges. I have lowered
the CP by about 15mm firstly because I didn't like the holes I drilled for the felt pads and also because
it nestled too close to the monitor.







Still got a bag of these dowels - might as well use them.




Planed down, beveled and rounded over at the back to match the bottom of the CP.







Cont...





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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #265 on: January 26, 2011, 06:05:20 pm »
Love my new cordless Makita circular saw - now much easier to use without having to worry about where
the wire is in relation to the blade.  8)




Top of CP beveled to 80 degrees and also rounded over with router bit.










I think it gives it a bit of an oriental feel TBH - slowly getting there...

Cheers




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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #266 on: January 26, 2011, 07:11:02 pm »
yeah im getting that orient feel too.  its gonna be very attractive piece of art/FUN, i do not see any problem with the little lady complaining about it being a eye sore :)

keep up the good work.

chris.

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #267 on: January 26, 2011, 07:58:14 pm »
Looks great!  :applaud: You should cover up that monitor though, lots of dust on the screen.  :afro:

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #268 on: February 01, 2011, 05:34:46 pm »
Thanks guys as always..

Dust is everywhere   :o

Small update - I was about to drill the holes for the buttons when I discovered the leaf holders
took up more room than I thought and I didn't have enough space with the hinge panel I spent
ages doing.

I ended up adding a 24mm panel to the back.











Bit of sanding required to get it adjusted just right but it turned out ok.

Round felt pads I am replacing btw with square ones that I will flush cut.

Cheers

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #269 on: February 03, 2011, 06:04:11 pm »
Busy evening tonight  :)

Got the button and trackball holes drilled out at last.

Layout is (6) standard Japanese that I got from slagcoin.







Created a hell of a mess in the process. Had to drill the trackball hole from both sides as the holesaw I
have doesn't go 24mm deep. I used a 85mm bit for the UTrack to account for the bezel.




Now in the process of routing the underside so everything fits properly. The joysticks are the simplest so
I have started there. After a bit of experimentation and trial and error I reckon 13mm is the thickness that
gives me a comfortable height on the Sanwa/360.







I didn't use a template for these just a straight edge and a flush trim bit and was lucky enough that the diameter
of the bit matched the rounded edges of the mounting plate.

Been making too much noise tonight  :o - off to bed.

Cheers









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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #270 on: February 03, 2011, 06:13:39 pm »
Nice!

How do you plan on finishing of the edges of the wood CP now? I'm thinking a rabbit, originally thought Ogee, but I don't know that that would look right with the rest of that cab.

Or...a banded edge with a strip of Mahogany... oh yeah....

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #271 on: February 03, 2011, 06:47:14 pm »
Thanks drventure,

Nothing so fancy - just rounded over like this.



I am toying with doing a Router-Based Inlay at the moment, something like Walnut to contrast the Oak.

This guy is repetitive....



Never done it before but its a bit like veneering.


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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #272 on: February 03, 2011, 10:05:17 pm »
That'll work. A nice inlay with your logo or something

Good stuff!

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #273 on: February 10, 2011, 05:13:40 pm »
Almost finished routing now. Made a template for the trackball out of MDF and one for the leaf
switch holders out of two pieces of plywood stuck together.








Templates took way much longer to do than the actual routing.





Still have to route the leaf arms but haven't decided yet how they will go regard wiring etc.


Quick test fit.  :D







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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #274 on: February 10, 2011, 05:25:03 pm »
Why does that trackball have that HUGE bezel around the ball? Is that from Ultimarc? Never saw one in an arcade that looked like that. Does it serve a purpose? It just detracts from the appearance iMHO... Could you turn a wooden replacement on the lathe? :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno :dunno

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #275 on: February 10, 2011, 06:39:57 pm »
Panel looks great!  :applaud: I really like the black buttons, washers and the trackball rim. It really flows well together IMHO. I almost think you should have used black start buttons as well. Or perhaps pulling the white plungers and putting them in black rims as well.
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #276 on: February 10, 2011, 08:15:16 pm »
I neglected to say that I think the quality of work and effort directed towards your project is quite impressive. I think your cab will be one of those that people list amongst their favorites for a long time. I just think that hardwood and plastic have a tenuous and strained relationship, aesthetically speaking. Are you concerned about what those dust washers will do to the wood finish after sliding around on it for a while? I always liked the dust washers under the panel, but my era is the 80's in Chicago. Thats how it was done back in the day.

Wooden balltops would look pretty fantastic on there also..

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #277 on: February 10, 2011, 08:58:39 pm »
The gorilla has a point about the dust washers and your finished wood.

Something that seems to be working quite well for me is these grommets

http://www.mockett.com/furniture-hardware/wire-cable-management/round-plastic-grommets/og.html



You can get them in black, they fit right in a standard joystick hole, but they don't restrict the stick at all (I've got u360's and Magsticks)

What's nice is they lift the dust washer up off the panel surface just slightly. Dramatically reduces any scuffing.

Your cab is coming together nicely!

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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #278 on: February 11, 2011, 03:43:35 am »
Thanks for the imput everyone,

VanillaGorilla - It's the way the U-track was designed. Without artwork and plexi
I think you need the bezel or it looks messy or it does the way I installed it!

Being quite sparse with controls and having little or no artwork I think you need
the dustwashes (and the trim) on this panel or it just looks unfinished and the controls
don't look set in place.

Wear and tear -  I haven't rounded out the front yet - so I could add a couple mm
plexi and cover the panel. Not sure though.

drventure - will check them out!

emphatic - Thanks. Got two black spares - you never know!

Cheers
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Re: Project Quercus - Control Panel 2
« Reply #279 on: February 11, 2011, 06:42:24 am »
the trackball bezel doesn't bother me at all. The whole thing looks awesome.
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