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shmokes:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 05, 2009, 09:32:19 am ---
 As for your comment Shmokes...  The drills prepare you for actual combat.
They make it so that your arms feel what is happening, and you make
the appropriate reactions based on your opponents energies.


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That's all well and good, Xiaou, except that you posted those videos to prove to me what is possible with MA, and the only thing you proved is that two guys can dance in front of a camera.  RayB, what you are saying may or may not be true, but regardless the videos Xiaou posted are staged demonstrations.  You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

Chadwick:

--- Quote from: shmokes on November 05, 2009, 01:24:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 05, 2009, 09:32:19 am ---
 As for your comment Shmokes...  The drills prepare you for actual combat.
They make it so that your arms feel what is happening, and you make
the appropriate reactions based on your opponents energies.


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That's all well and good, Xiaou, except that you posted those videos to prove to me what is possible with MA, and the only thing you proved is that two guys can dance in front of a camera.  RayB, what you are saying may or may not be true, but regardless the videos Xiaou posted are staged demonstrations.  You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

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Exactly.

Drills don't prepare you for combat, COMBAT prepares you for combat... Boxers knock people out, chunners don't.  One good right cross or hook will knock someone out, chain punching won't.  You're comments about MMA are so delusional and/or willfully ignorant that I don't really have a comment beyond this: Where are all the awesome chunners in MMA?  Oh that's right.. The Chun is *too deadly* for MMA... ROFLMAO!

As for wrist-locks, they are good for subduing a drunk who is not serious about hurting you and that's about it.  No one ever has, or ever will end a fight with a wrist-lock.  Anyone trying to take your head off, under the influence of an adrenaline dump, is going to knock you the F out while you try to apply that wrist-lock... IF you can actually get your hands on their wrists to begin with, and IF you have a significant weight/size advantage.  I am ranked in Hapkido, so all you wrist-lock fans please try to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining... that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- don't work on anything other than a compliant partner or a 10 year-old.

Some of you guys need to step back from the indoctrination and apply a little critical thinking.  Judo, Boxing, BJJ, Sambo, Muay Thai, these are the MA's that WORK and have PROVEN themselves in combat against non-compliant partners.  I've been involved with MA's since 1984.  I've seen and heard a lot of BS in that 25 years and I get tired of it.

I have an appreciation for all MA's, but what I don't like is people making claims about a system that are utterly laughable.  A couple years of the Chun or a couple years of Aikido aren't going to turn you into a fighter.  They do offer many many other benefits however.

You want to do Wing Chun?  I think that's fantastic, but don't separate from reality and think that you're going to be some great fighter after a couple years doing chi sao because you're not.

Wing Chun Tournament (Gold Medal Fights!):
Muay Thai Fights:

Who would you rather fight?

Chadwick:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 05, 2009, 09:32:19 am ---As for UCF, those guys are undertrained and sloppy.  The reason, is
they try to study too many things, and not perfect any of it.
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Under-trained?  Most professional MMA fighters train 40-80 hours a week;  How many do you train?

Sloppy?  Compared to what?  Standing in a line doing punching drills in horse stance?  Have you ever seen a full speed, full contact wing chun fight?  It looks like sissy slap, tippy-tap horseplay.

Try to study too many things?  No they don't, they study what is PROVEN EFFECTIVE (MT, BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling mostly), and then only the techniques that are practical and effective.

Not perfect any of it?  I could spend 10 years perfecting a heel-hook kick... what good is it when someone takes me down?

ChadTower:

I can't believe we have gotten this far without a single Wang Chung joke.

Chadwick:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on November 05, 2009, 04:23:09 pm ---No offense but you showed an entire polite fight vs a highlight reel of professional fighting... I've watched a -little- kickboxing and there is a whole lot of soft kicks to push each other back with a little bit of explosive kicking and punching here and there.  Much like regular boxing with the jabs - it's not all haymakers.







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You're right, I did, but you try to find me a video of someone doing Wing Chun at full speed/contact... you can't because it doesn't exist.  WC practitioners don't compete above the level shown in that video.  Most WC practitioners don't even spar beyond chi sao drills... this is the heart of the problem with WC.

I have never trained WC, but my son used to take Jow Ga at a school that also taught WC.  The kids Jow Ga class was at the same time as the adult advanced WC class and it was in the next room without a wall between them.  I watched WC twice a week for 8 months and maybe saw some type of sparring on 2 or 3 occasions.  I am an experienced martial artist so I knew what I was looking at/seeing and could hear the teachers explaining the techniques/system.  I was completely underwhelmed with what I saw... and the Sifu is a direct student of Ip Ching (son of Yip Man), Head of the International Wing Chun Martial Art Association, and personal interpreter for Ip Ching whenever he visits the United States; so you can't say that what i saw wasn't *the real Wing Chun*.

Additionally, every Friday at the school was open gym night.  The guys from the MT class would always spar on Fridays and every once in awhile one of the WC guys would want to spar with them.  It was hilarious to watch guys with 3 months of MT training beat the crap out of guys with 2 years of WC training.

Here's a link to the school I'm talking about: http://chanskungfu.com/school/staff_sifu_chan.htm

--- Quote from: From The Website --- Master Chan studied Wing Chun under Grand Masters Ip Ching and Ip Chun, the sons of the Great Grand Master Ip Man (teacher to the late Bruce Lee). The bulk of Master Chan's study was with Grand Master Ip Ching. Master Chan is a member and certified Wing Chun Instructor through the Hong Kong Ving Tsun Association, and a founding member and former director of the United States Ip Ching Ving Tsun Athletic Association, and has acted as the personal interpreter for Ip Ching on many of his U.S. visits. In 1996 Master Chan was recognized for his excellence in instruction and awarded the rank of Master by the U.S. Ip Ching Ving Tsun Athletic Association by Grand Master Ip Ching. Master Chan is also a founding member and current director of the International Wing Chun Martial Art Association, and is much sought after for his Wing Chun knowledge
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