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Dartful Dodger:

First thing: Sorry, Trebeck for derailing your thread.

back to the off topic discussion...


--- Quote from: DJ_Izumi on August 11, 2009, 02:09:17 pm ---Arcade games in many ways from the 90s onwards became not just games but ATTRACTIONS. 

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That's what I thought, last time I was in an arcade they had VR helmets, driving games that would link a dozen players and would move left, right and vibrate when you crashed, flying games that would go left, right and rotate forward and back, and roller coaster simulations where you had to wear a harness because it would go completely upside down.  They even had a “vintage” section with games from the 80s. 

I was sort of hoping to see technology that was one generation away from a hologram room.  Instead, they removed the classics section to make room for prize winning games, and the wall that had the multiplayer racing game was replaced with some multiplayer horse racing game.  All the motion games/rides were gone.  I‘m assuming those games/rides eventually broke down and D&B didn’t bother getting them fixed.

All of the games in there now could have been created in the 90s.

isucamper:

Meh.  I'm not going to get into a nerd fight here.  Underpowered or not, there were plenty of competant arcade ports before the Neo Geo and Dreamcast.  See Street Fighter series, Mortal Kombat series, Tekken, Smash TV, Total Carnage, Final Fight (Sega CD version was arcade perfect), Turtles in Time (SNES version was actually far superior to the Arcade version), NBA Jam, WWF Wrestlmania... those are just the ones I can pick off the top of my head.

But you can still think you're right if you want... it doesn't bother me :)

MaximRecoil:


--- Quote from: isucamper on August 11, 2009, 08:39:17 pm ---Meh.  I'm not going to get into a nerd fight here.
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Then why are you replying?


--- Quote ---Underpowered or not, there were plenty of competant arcade ports before the Neo Geo and Dreamcast.  See Street Fighter series, Mortal Kombat series, Tekken, Smash TV, Total Carnage, Final Fight (Sega CD version was arcade perfect), Turtles in Time (SNES version was actually far superior to the Arcade version), NBA Jam, WWF Wrestlmania... those are just the ones I can pick off the top of my head.
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A few points:

1. Neo Geo (1990) came before all of the console ports of the games you listed.

2. My original reply in this thread was to Beretta who said: "i'd say playstation was probably the turning point where you could get as good if not better then arcade at home and that was the nail in the coffin." Note that the claim was not "competent", but "as good or better". There have been "competent" arcade ports since the ColecoVision and Atari 5200.

3. The Sega CD version of Final Fight looked good, but was not "arcade perfect" (the graphics and animations were not as good). Additionally, the Sega CD came out in 1992 while Final Fight ran on arcade hardware from 1988, so even if it was "arcade perfect" (which it wasn't), you are not comparing it to 1992 arcade hardware.

4. For Turtles in Time, the arcade version clearly had better graphics and audio than the SNES version, and those are the only objective points of comparison.

The Sega Dreamcast was the first mainstream system that could match the typical arcade hardware of its day. It was essentially NAOMI arcade hardware in a box, and NAOMI was strong arcade hardware for the time. It could also handle Capcom's CPS-3 hardware with ease (SFIII on the DC was about as close to "arcade perfect" as a port can get), and even did an excellent job handling Midway's Quicksilver II hardware (Hydro Thunder). And of course, it could run some NAOMI games directly, no porting required. 


--- Quote ---But you can still think you're right if you want... it doesn't bother me :)

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It has nothing to do with "thinking I'm right". Your Vs. hardware analogy was completely invalid. Vs. hardware was 2 year old console hardware ported to the arcade with only minor changes (none of which improved its performance). Neo Geo was designed as arcade hardware, and was on par with competing arcade hardware of the day.

Beretta:

wow dude way to blow things outta proportion.

talking of aracde hardware was'nt tekken in the arcade based on playstation?

i know i have that on playstation and although i never put the two next to each other it looks same to me.. same with ridge racer, those was 1st generation games on playstation.

mortal kombat 3 looks as good as i remember in teh arcade when i had it on playstation.. maybe there are a few technical differences but to me at the time seemed as good.

my comment was how when nes and master system was main stream there was games in teh arcade that looked better then those systems.

snes also had a lot of good ports, the port of mortal kombat 2 and street fighter II was both very good not arcade perfect.

but there was still better to be had in the arcade at that time.. neo geo? jesus christ only people i know that had them back in the early 90's was game dealers the carts was like 1 or 200 bucks i think NO one i mean NO one i knew had one of those. but i was'nt a rich kid so maybe that was just me.

my comment was not to be taken as orange to oranges arcade ports on teh consoles..

there was a lot of games on playstation that had better graphics then you'ed find in the arcade at the time.. and those was'nt ports they was only on consoles or just playstatoin.

still i'd say that a much higher % of games was as close to arcade as to be considered equally good on the 32bit systems namely playstation as any console before it baring neo geo which is'nt exactly a fair comparison since it was arcade hardware in a pretty package no one could afford.

sure snes made a lot of inroads but not many ports was close enough to say "as good" i also agree TMNT was'nt as good as the arcade but it was also a good port.

genesis on the other hand imo sucked balls on ports.. it was a good system had some good games and you was'nt really a gamer back then unless you had both.. some versions of games on geneis was better also.. like beavis and butthead the genesis version is much better imo game play wise although the snes version had better graphics.

mortal kombat one rocked on genesis not because of the graphics as the snes version was VERY close but was crippled by it's lack of blood and fatalitys true to the arcade.

anyway im rambling it's my opinion that playstation was the true slayer of the arcades, before that the consoles while every once in a while having a perfect or near perfect port usually had decent or good ports.. always a 1 step behind..

if this was still the case arcade may still be alive, but that is not the case and we'll never know i suppose.

let us not also forget that not every game coming out ran on equally more powerful hardware, even in mid 90's most arcade games was 2d, while a large number of playstation games coming was 3d.

no offense to 2d as i love 2d games just the same, but i do remember playing games like twisted metal (1) and jumping flash (remember that game?) destruction derby, need for speed, warhawk, resident evil (1), all on playstation all 3d all 1st gen games.

if you can't see what i mean by my first statement i can't help you understand.
you dont have to agree with it, but it's how i remember things went down.

playstation killed the arcade.

DJ_Izumi:

I think you guys are looking too far ahead.  The NES is what I believe brought on the end of the arcade area, it took a LONG TIME for that to happen and the NES was only the begining of the end.  The 'arcade' fell under hard times basicly from the Video Game Crash of 1983, while there was recovery, it was never the same for arcades as it was before.  Now you had the NES and later systems which, maybe they didn't have the same graphics, they were in your living room and didn't demand quarters.

At the same time, when the video game industry recovered in the 80s, that's when many of the machines in the arcade shifted towards looking like this:



Of course there were many revivals for the arcades.  Certian fighting games brought on good things.  More interesting machines and attractions in the 90s.  Not to mention the Pinball Revival of the early 90s.

The PlayStation didn't kill the arcade, it was just part of a long series of machines that put games in the living room without those games being 150 variations on Pong.  Ahe jump from the Atari 2600 to the NES, things changed RIGHT THERE.

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